debrincat

[T-man2010]

I wonder if they asked Dcat if he would like to stay here and score 40+ and 90+ points
the next 5 years till he's 29 on a crappy team rebuilding OR
go to a team that is one scorer away from being a REAL contender?

[2old4this]

I think the Cat will be heading to NJ for that 2nd overall pick. It also will help us win the race to the bottom.

[Nikos]

Jun 13, 2022 9:52:17 GMT -6 steamer said:

Good article - excellent points made.

From the article, says a lot about this kid, what he has overcome, what he has become and what he will continue to do, score goals which is still the way the count wins and loses, the team with more goals wins the game.

He’s everything a team would want in a star player and seems destined to wear the “C” at some point of his NHL career.

There’s something deeply satisfying about watching one of your team’s homegrown talents evolve into one of the game’s top snipers, especially when there were a bunch of outsiders suggesting said player was a “novelty act” or a “one-trick pony” or whatever ridiculous claims an unnamed source wanted to make three or four years ago.

[puckjim]

Jun 13, 2022 11:31:45 GMT -6 2old4this said:

I think the Cat will be heading to NJ for that 2nd overall pick. It also will help us win the race to the bottom.

Hopefully that and blue chip prospect

[Nikos]

Talks about what a Debrincat trade might look like and compares to previous players dealt with similar age, talent and production. The common thread with most of these deals though is a first-round pick, a really good prospect or young NHL player, and sometimes some NHL roster filler.

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/what-a-potential-alex-debrincat-trade-could-look-like-for-blackhawks/ar-AAYsBZ2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8ff2343d963d488393442e738429b02a

[Nikos]

Let's hope KD receives similar return a first-round pick, a really good prospect or young NHL player, and sometimes some NHL roster filler.

[BigT]

LA did pretty good this year without Doughty and Arvidsson. Image adding Debrincat to that team? I could see the Hawks getting Clarke, a first rounder and a solid prospect. And LA has a lot of prospects. Clarke averaged 1.19 points per game for Barrie Colts last year. Or 59 points in 55 games I believe was the best in the OHL. This kid could be like another Doughty type player. I could really see LA or is gem Anaheim stepping up here big time!!!

[2old4this]

Rumors of a rejected offer for Debrincat..

"While appearing on Under Review on NHL Network Radio, Friedman said that he thought there was one team that made a “pretty big offer” for DeBrincat.

Here are the specifics from Friedman:

At least a couple of first-rounders, one of which would have been pretty high, and I heard Chicago wasn’t willing to do that. So, I’m very curious to see what it’s going to take to get DeBrincat out of there."

[mvr]

I understand most here are very upset about the Debrincat trade. Clearly, the return was very disappointing, much worse than even I thought it would be.

When I started this thread, my concern was that Little Bowman overpaid this player on what should have been a short term bridge contract. I felt the cap numbers would become a problem moving forward, especially at the tail ($9 M in the third year).

Quite clearly judging by the weak quality of this trade return, most teams were turned off by the contract, even though the player scored 40 plus goals.

Ottawa was willing to roll the dice knowing full well that this player most likely will not sign with them long term. The hope is that the trade return in a year or two will exceed what they paid today. I think that's a gamble. In the meantime, they do have a legit top end scorer.

Stan Bowman's "legacy" still haunts this team. Davidson had to clean up the mess.

Moving forward, it has become so clear to me that the key to success in today's NHL is not to overpay. If contract talks get too difficult, you have to move on. Trade the player. Take what you can get.

The cap situation is so tight for most teams that dollars talk more than anything else. Bowman never learned. He was a poor bean counter by any judgement.

I have mentioned this before, but ex GM Mike Smith laid it all out in the clearest terms years ago....

You have 2/3 of the cap (roughly $55 M) to pay your best eight players, 1/4 for the next eight ($20 M), and 1/10 for the rest ($8 M). In that core eight, you need a goalie, three defencemen, two centres, a power forward and a puck distributor. If your puck distributor can play centre (or one of your centres plays a power game), you can add another winger.

Debrincat played a position - scoring winger - that most managers don't want to pay big money for long term. He is an asset teams can't spend big money long term on if they want to field a competitive roster.

[bigbarn27]

I believe Cat signs 8 years 8 mil mid season with the Sens

[OldTimeHawky]

So much for two firsts, roster player, and a prospect.

I've been a huge fan since his Otter days so I'm kinda choked, glad he went to Ottawa though, that's my oldest nephews favorite team and I've liked them since they came into the league.

Best of luck Alex.

[hsbob]

The team has budding young superstars like Dach and Reichel.....who needs a 40 goal scorer?

[hsbob]

Jul 2, 2022 18:20:37 GMT -6 2old4this said:

Rumors of a rejected offer for Debrincat..

"While appearing on Under Review on NHL Network Radio, Friedman said that he thought there was one team that made a “pretty big offer” for DeBrincat.

Here are the specifics from Friedman:

At least a couple of first-rounders, one of which would have been pretty high, and I heard Chicago wasn’t willing to do that. So, I’m very curious to see what it’s going to take to get DeBrincat out of there."

He must have soaked up everything DUMBASS taught hm.

[OldTimeHawky]

Jul 7, 2022 17:37:26 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Jul 2, 2022 18:20:37 GMT -6 2old4this said:

Rumors of a rejected offer for Debrincat..

"While appearing on Under Review on NHL Network Radio, Friedman said that he thought there was one team that made a “pretty big offer” for DeBrincat.

Here are the specifics from Friedman:

At least a couple of first-rounders, one of which would have been pretty high, and I heard Chicago wasn’t willing to do that. So, I’m very curious to see what it’s going to take to get DeBrincat out of there."

He must have soaked up everything DUMBASS taught hm.

If Korchinski turns into a #1 dman with size it'll help ease the pain of losing him. And if they can get a center like Beck or Del Bel Belluz with the 39th pick it'll give them depth at D and C.

Just trying to find a silver lining cause I hate seeing Debrincat go.

[mvr]

Clearly, the insiders were wrong. Their information was inaccurate.

The best offer was the 7th overall.

[galaxytrash]

Whoa...that pic is going to take some getting used to.
Ottawa's going to be a fun team to watch this season.
I hope d-cat lights it up in the east.

[2old4this]

Jul 7, 2022 16:42:26 GMT -6 mvr said:

snip snip..
I have mentioned this before, but ex GM Mike Smith laid it all out in the clearest terms years ago....

You have 2/3 of the cap (roughly $55 M) to pay your best eight players, 1/4 for the next eight ($20 M), and 1/10 for the rest ($8 M). In that core eight, you need a goalie, three defencemen, two centres, a power forward and a puck distributor. If your puck distributor can play centre (or one of your centres plays a power game), you can add another winger.

snip snip...

Isn't Mike Smith the guy who brought us Alpo Suhonen?

[hsbob]

It's great to see the Sens hung onto their top prospects and they got em! Some young forwards really coming into their own too, like ....
22yro 6'4" 211lb Tkachuk 30/67,he's listed as a W/C but he wins half his draws and a BIG,TOUGH bastard for D-Cat to play with would be..........REFRESHING to say the least!
20yro 6' 190lb Stutzle 22/58
23yro 6'1" 199lb center and fellow Michigander Josh Norris coming off 35/55 51%FO and 52/90 52% in 125 NHL games so far.
24yro 6'3" 204lb Batherson saw two outstanding AHL seasons of quality development and 43 games of NHL seasoning before a nice 17/34 in 56gms and 17/44 in a 46 game,dinged up season last year.
Look for outstanding 20yro center Shane Pinto to make the jump next year too.
19yro W/C Ridly Greig LIT UP the WHL to the tune of 26/63 in only 39 games last year......one year in the 'A' should do for him.
20yro Jake Sanderson is listed as the 2nd best prospect in hockey could also be ready to go after two good years up at UND.

I can't believe they go with just Forsberg in net but they do have 21yro 6'8" Sogard coming off a good AHL season.....they need a GT.

I'm likin' this trade more and more!

[hsbob]

senshot.com/2022/07/07/ottawa-senators-duality-dorion/

[BigT]

Clearly the league didn’t value Dcat like Hawks fans did. The contract is a huge issue. There was no sense in keeping a guy you can’t trade later. Was the return mediocre? I guess so. But there clearly wasn’t a better offer.

I still don’t see the logic in keeping him. This is clearly a total rip apart and redo. If it was in the middle of a rebuild. It’d be stupid to even think about trading away a 24 year old sniper.

The contract was set up so that only the last guy could deal with it. Who would start negotiations at the highest point? Dcat would stop the Hawks flexibility with regards to the cap. Now taking on bad contracts is highly possible. Having 4 guys earning 10 million + is not a good thing for a rebuilding team. Just wasn’t the right time to retain him!!!

[hawks27]

Jul 9, 2022 9:29:02 GMT -6 hsbob said:

It's great to see the Sens hung onto their top prospects and they got em! Some young forwards really coming into their own too, like ....
22yro 6'4" 211lb Tkachuk 30/67,he's listed as a W/C but he wins half his draws and a BIG,TOUGH bastard for D-Cat to play with would be..........REFRESHING to say the least!
20yro 6' 190lb Stutzle 22/58
23yro 6'1" 199lb center and fellow Michigander Josh Norris coming off 35/55 51%FO and 52/90 52% in 125 NHL games so far.
24yro 6'3" 204lb Batherson saw two outstanding AHL seasons of quality development and 43 games of NHL seasoning before a nice 17/34 in 56gms and 17/44 in a 46 game,dinged up season last year.
Look for outstanding 20yro center Shane Pinto to make the jump next year too.
19yro W/C Ridly Greig LIT UP the WHL to the tune of 26/63 in only 39 games last year......one year in the 'A' should do for him.
20yro Jake Sanderson is listed as the 2nd best prospect in hockey could also be ready to go after two good years up at UND.

I can't believe they go with just Forsberg in net but they do have 21yro 6'8" Sogard coming off a good AHL season.....they need a GT.

I'm likin' this trade more and more!

I have to say that Jake will be a very effective and entertaining player to watch in the NHL (for years to come, hopefully).

 I have to disagree with the "two good years at UND" because this past year was a disaster for him.  He was almost out of the line up more than in it.  When he played, he was really something to behold.  His puck-carrying and overall hockey sense were off the charts (in a good way).  He missed time away from UND when he went to the World Jr.'s (even though it was abruptly shortened) and then the the Olympics (where he was injured early and didn't play in it again).  When he finally returned to the UND line up, he was injured when he made a game-saving dive into the crease to keep the puck out of the net in a close game with Colorado College.  That was the final game for him in his UND career.  His absence out of their line up cost them any real chance of winning the NCAA tourney.

He was one of the best to ever play for UND, and I've been following them since the late 1950's.  I only wish he could have been in the line up a lot more, and I wish that he could have been a Blackhawk.  He's one to watch when the Sens are on tv.

[hsbob]

Jul 9, 2022 11:58:56 GMT -6 BigT said:

Clearly the league didn’t value Dcat like Hawks fans did. The contract is a huge issue. There was no sense in keeping a guy you can’t trade later. Was the return mediocre? I guess so. But there clearly wasn’t a better offer.

I still don’t see the logic in keeping him. This is clearly a total rip apart and redo. If it was in the middle of a rebuild. It’d be stupid to even think about trading away a 24 year old sniper.

The contract was set up so that only the last guy could deal with it. Who would start negotiations at the highest point? Dcat would stop the Hawks flexibility with regards to the cap. Now taking on bad contracts is highly possible. Having 4 guys earning 10 million + is not a good thing for a rebuilding team. Just wasn’t the right time to retain him!!!

The annalists' table during the draft pointed out the cap should be going up substantially the next few seasons and somebody also pointed out the number of good PO teams that win a round or two almost every year but end up w/o enough scoring. The Canes are and the Isle until they lost their rink were as good defensively and in net as it gets......good up the middle too.......no bueno though. Hawks had a great center,the great Hossa,two stud D-men and of course CC but you know what? No Patrick Kane.......no bueno for them either!

You can't trade a consistent 35 goal scorer who's never missed a game to injury because he's makin' let's say 9M in a few years when the cap is up? MY ASS!!! 
People mention weaponizing the cap,sign D-Cat for 9MX8 with a rising cap,move him in 2 years and retain 2M because the team'll still be bad and they'll have space for years to come but this time you get a top prospect instead of picks because the team should be closer.......a player you can't trade....really?

I dunno what logic you're talking about, few here don't understand the need to trade their few good players to fill the empty system and me? Fuck their system and another ten year promise until it comes true but I do look forward to following a new team and watching Alex DeBrincat continue to do what he's done his whole life.......prove all you real smart hockey people REAL wrong.

Us Hawk fans in Chicago valued the kid because he's an elite,young player with a great attitude and work ethic that matches our great city but....you know.......we're just not as smart as you real hockey people. 

None of us know if there was a better offer but I do know that DUMBASS' assistant told the world how bad he wanted a #1,he also said he wanted two #1's and a top prospect back or even more or some shit like that.........I don't understand why he makes these things public and then takes so much less. There was also a report of a deal with two 1sts that was turned down earlier but I GaF what they got to be honest.

Keeping an elite player on a last place tanker makes no sense to no one and he found a landing spot with a shit load of good young players to lead and more on the way. 

    
        

[hsbob]

Jul 9, 2022 12:19:07 GMT -6 hawks27 said:

Jul 9, 2022 9:29:02 GMT -6 hsbob said:

It's great to see the Sens hung onto their top prospects and they got em! Some young forwards really coming into their own too, like ....
22yro 6'4" 211lb Tkachuk 30/67,he's listed as a W/C but he wins half his draws and a BIG,TOUGH bastard for D-Cat to play with would be..........REFRESHING to say the least!
20yro 6' 190lb Stutzle 22/58
23yro 6'1" 199lb center and fellow Michigander Josh Norris coming off 35/55 51%FO and 52/90 52% in 125 NHL games so far.
24yro 6'3" 204lb Batherson saw two outstanding AHL seasons of quality development and 43 games of NHL seasoning before a nice 17/34 in 56gms and 17/44 in a 46 game,dinged up season last year.
Look for outstanding 20yro center Shane Pinto to make the jump next year too.
19yro W/C Ridly Greig LIT UP the WHL to the tune of 26/63 in only 39 games last year......one year in the 'A' should do for him.
20yro Jake Sanderson is listed as the 2nd best prospect in hockey could also be ready to go after two good years up at UND.

I can't believe they go with just Forsberg in net but they do have 21yro 6'8" Sogard coming off a good AHL season.....they need a GT.

I'm likin' this trade more and more!

I have to say that Jake will be a very effective and entertaining player to watch in the NHL (for years to come, hopefully).

 I have to disagree with the "two good years at UND" because this past year was a disaster for him.  He was almost out of the line up more than in it.  When he played, he was really something to behold.  His puck-carrying and overall hockey sense were off the charts (in a good way).  He missed time away from UND when he went to the World Jr.'s (even though it was abruptly shortened) and then the the Olympics (where he was injured early and didn't play in it again).  When he finally returned to the UND line up, he was injured when he made a game-saving dive into the crease to keep the puck out of the net in a close game with Colorado College.  That was the final game for him in his UND career.  His absence out of their line up cost them any real chance of winning the NCAA tourney.

He was one of the best to ever play for UND, and I've been following them since the late 1950's.  I only wish he could have been in the line up a lot more, and I wish that he could have been a Blackhawk.  He's one to watch when the Sens are on tv.

Thanks for the input 27,I know you're up on your UND hockey but you disagreed with me saying he had two good years and then said "he was something to behold"....LOL!
You also said "when he played" before it to be fair. I didn't realize he missed as many games due to injury,I did see the low of amount games played but I thought it had to do with Covid. 

Sounds like he could be a #1 if he stays healthy.....would you go that far?

[OldTimeHawky]

Bob you mentioned how the Hawks turned down a deal for two firsts, we don't know what team that was so it could've been like the Hagel trade and the firsts were low.

Getting in the top10 is much better than a mid to late first, then they take an early second to go with it because it's basically like a late first. So essentially they got two firsts and I'm sure Ludwinski is gonna win over a lot of Blackhawk fans.

As for Korchinski, this kid is special, like Debrincat, so we'll have to wait and see how he's progresses. But 65pts as a dman then leads the WHL by dmen with 19pts in the playoffs is a great sign, especially considering he scored 7 times in the playoffs and only 4 in the regular season.

[hsbob]

Jul 10, 2022 6:42:42 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Bob you mentioned how the Hawks turned down a deal for two firsts, we don't know what team that was so it could've been like the Hagel trade and the firsts were low.

Getting in the top10 is much better than a mid to late first, then they take an early second to go with it because it's basically like a late first. So essentially they got two firsts and I'm sure Ludwinski is gonna win over a lot of Blackhawk fans.

As for Korchinski, this kid is special, like Debrincat, so we'll have to wait and see how he's progresses. But 65pts as a dman then leads the WHL by dmen with 19pts in the playoffs is a great sign, especially considering he scored 7 times in the playoffs and only 4 in the regular season.

I think you'd agree there's a bit of speculation in that statement but I hope you're right. I took a lotta knocks for supportin' just about every kid to come up until a few years ago,I keep my powder dry and opinions to myself till I see em in the bigs nowadays. 

The picks were needed and I'm liking the kid's landing spot so I'm at peace with this trade.

I was just going off of what I read and if I'm not mistaken,KD publicly said he needed a huge haul and like saying how BAD he wanted a #1 earlier......I'm not sure these things need to be said publicly.   
 

[BigT]

Jul 10, 2022 6:42:42 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Bob you mentioned how the Hawks turned down a deal for two firsts, we don't know what team that was so it could've been like the Hagel trade and the firsts were low.

Getting in the top10 is much better than a mid to late first, then they take an early second to go with it because it's basically like a late first. So essentially they got two firsts and I'm sure Ludwinski is gonna win over a lot of Blackhawk fans.

As for Korchinski, this kid is special, like Debrincat, so we'll have to wait and see how he's progresses. But 65pts as a dman then leads the WHL by dmen with 19pts in the playoffs is a great sign, especially considering he scored 7 times in the playoffs and only 4 in the regular season.

I’m not saying this is totally accurate. But I had a conversation this morning and from what I heard. It sounded like it was the Islanders that offered 2 firsts. So ya, you’re right that the picks wouldn’t be that high. So I think they took the best deal available.

Not every kid will pan out. So we’ll see what happens over the years. But one thing is for sure, the Hawks will have a lot of kids to choose from. If this new regime can hit on more of the league average than the last one. Things will be good. I believe GT posted that the league average was around 20%. Hawks were at like 12% or something like that. So if the Hawks get back to average things will be ok!!!

[Nikos]

Jul 10, 2022 8:31:49 GMT -6 BigT said:

Jul 10, 2022 6:42:42 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Bob you mentioned how the Hawks turned down a deal for two firsts, we don't know what team that was so it could've been like the Hagel trade and the firsts were low.

Getting in the top10 is much better than a mid to late first, then they take an early second to go with it because it's basically like a late first. So essentially they got two firsts and I'm sure Ludwinski is gonna win over a lot of Blackhawk fans.

As for Korchinski, this kid is special, like Debrincat, so we'll have to wait and see how he's progresses. But 65pts as a dman then leads the WHL by dmen with 19pts in the playoffs is a great sign, especially considering he scored 7 times in the playoffs and only 4 in the regular season.

I’m not saying this is totally accurate. But I had a conversation this morning and from what I heard. It sounded like it was the Islanders that offered 2 firsts. So ya, you’re right that the picks wouldn’t be that high. So I think they took the best deal available.

Not every kid will pan out. So we’ll see what happens over the years. But one thing is for sure, the Hawks will have a lot of kids to choose from. If this new regime can hit on more of the league average than the last one. Things will be good. I believe GT posted that the league average was around 20%. Hawks were at like 12% or something like that. So if the Hawks get back to average things will be ok!!!

If indeed it was the Islanders they had the 13th which Hawks got in the Dach deal and if there was another 1st it would have been in future. Yes a top 10 is better than 13. Let's hope KD hits better than league average and agree he did not publicly have to state his desire to get into the 1st round, hopefully rookie mistake.

[hawks27]

Jul 10, 2022 6:15:12 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Jul 9, 2022 12:19:07 GMT -6 hawks27 said:

I have to say that Jake will be a very effective and entertaining player to watch in the NHL (for years to come, hopefully).

 I have to disagree with the "two good years at UND" because this past year was a disaster for him.  He was almost out of the line up more than in it.  When he played, he was really something to behold.  His puck-carrying and overall hockey sense were off the charts (in a good way).  He missed time away from UND when he went to the World Jr.'s (even though it was abruptly shortened) and then the the Olympics (where he was injured early and didn't play in it again).  When he finally returned to the UND line up, he was injured when he made a game-saving dive into the crease to keep the puck out of the net in a close game with Colorado College.  That was the final game for him in his UND career.  His absence out of their line up cost them any real chance of winning the NCAA tourney.

He was one of the best to ever play for UND, and I've been following them since the late 1950's.  I only wish he could have been in the line up a lot more, and I wish that he could have been a Blackhawk.  He's one to watch when the Sens are on tv.

Thanks for the input 27,I know you're up on your UND hockey but you disagreed with me saying he had two good years and then said "he was something to behold"....LOL!
You also said "when he played" before it to be fair. I didn't realize he missed as many games due to injury,I did see the low of amount games played but I thought it had to do with Covid. 

Sounds like he could be a #1 if he stays healthy.....would you go that far?

#1 for sure.  He was like Bobby Orr when he was healthy.  He did a lot of end to end rushes that resulted in goals (either by him or a team mate that he set up.  Players like him don't come along very often.  And he is from MONTANA, of all places!

[irmaks]

Jul 10, 2022 9:05:21 GMT -6 Nikos said:

Jul 10, 2022 8:31:49 GMT -6 BigT said:

I’m not saying this is totally accurate. But I had a conversation this morning and from what I heard. It sounded like it was the Islanders that offered 2 firsts. So ya, you’re right that the picks wouldn’t be that high. So I think they took the best deal available.

Not every kid will pan out. So we’ll see what happens over the years. But one thing is for sure, the Hawks will have a lot of kids to choose from. If this new regime can hit on more of the league average than the last one. Things will be good. I believe GT posted that the league average was around 20%. Hawks were at like 12% or something like that. So if the Hawks get back to average things will be ok!!!

If indeed it was the Islanders they had the 13th which Hawks got in the Dach deal and if there was another 1st it would have been in future. Yes a top 10 is better than 13. Let's hope KD hits better than league average and agree he did not publicly have to state his desire to get into the 1st round, hopefully rookie mistake.

Of course he wanted 1 or 2 first round picks for one the best players in a league. How is saying that change anything? Do you think if he said opposite he would got better return? I think he got the best he could no matter what he said or he didn't.

[Nikos]

Jul 10, 2022 13:16:10 GMT -6 irmaks said:

Jul 10, 2022 9:05:21 GMT -6 Nikos said:

If indeed it was the Islanders they had the 13th which Hawks got in the Dach deal and if there was another 1st it would have been in future. Yes a top 10 is better than 13. Let's hope KD hits better than league average and agree he did not publicly have to state his desire to get into the 1st round, hopefully rookie mistake.

Of course he wanted 1 or 2 first round picks for one the best players in a league. How is saying that change anything? Do you think if he said opposite he would got better return? I think he got the best he could no matter what he said or he didn't.

Only he knows if he got the best deal., the rest is all speculation on what was reported if you can believe that to be 100% true. One report said he was looking for 3 first round picks, prospect and an NHL ready player. Now if that was the asking price and he felt the Ottawa was the best offer, he either underestimated the market or purposely asked for the "moon" to start off or that report was inaccurate.