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Post by mvr on Jan 9, 2020 20:17:00 GMT -6
I am no insider. I do not know this player's health situation.
But as it stands right now, Debrincat is not earning his salary and is a major disappointment.
He has 10 goals and 30 points overall, playing first-unit powerplay minutes. This is not anywhere near good enough.
If Debrincat does not score, he does not contribute. He is not a checker or a physical player. He does not kill penalties.
I wonder if the very generous long term contract is weighing the player down and causing him to put too much pressure on himself.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 9, 2020 20:31:18 GMT -6
I am no insider. I do not know this player's health situation. But as it stands right now, Debrincat is not earning his salary and is a major disappointment. He has 10 goals and 30 points overall, playing first-unit powerplay minutes. This is not anywhere near good enough. If Debrincat does not score, he does not contribute. He is not a checker or a physical player. He does not kill penalties. I wonder if the very generous long term contract is weighing the player down and causing him to put too much pressure on himself. And he doesn't start getting that money till next season. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 9, 2020 20:31:40 GMT -6
I am no insider. I do not know this player's health situation. But as it stands right now, Debrincat is not earning his salary and is a major disappointment. He has 10 goals and 30 points overall, playing first-unit powerplay minutes. This is not anywhere near good enough. If Debrincat does not score, he does not contribute. He is not a checker or a physical player. He does not kill penalties. I wonder if the very generous long term contract is weighing the player down and causing him to put too much pressure on himself. I'm surprised he hasn't been on the IR with the brutal dirty hits he took this year. |
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Post by mvr on Jan 9, 2020 20:38:07 GMT -6
For this team to get back on top, the next wave of kids needs to take the reins. Both Strome and Debrincat have regressed badly this year. It is worrisome.
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Post by mvr on Jan 9, 2020 20:42:26 GMT -6
Bowman has built his team on long term contracts. To my mind, it was too early (and unnecessary) to commit long term to Debrincat. I hope the general manager does not make the same mistake with Strome.
The better approach is to give young kids short term deals - never more than two or three years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 22:40:58 GMT -6
Last year you got career years out of Toews, Kane, Strome, DeBrincat, and Gustafsson. It was completely unrealistic to think they could repeat, or even exceed, what they did last year. At least Toews and Kane have some history to fall back on. The other 3 have very little NHL experience to think they can be as good as they were last year. What Bowman is doing by the long term signing of Debrincat is basically patting himself on the back for finding a needle in a haystack. Don't recall who said it, but he should have been made to prove he could do it again before getting that contract. Now it might just be he feels there's no need to work hard, he's got security for the next 3 seasons after this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 22:42:26 GMT -6
Bowman has built his team on long term contracts. To my mind, it was too early (and unnecessary) to commit long term to Debrincat. I hope the general manager does not make the same mistake with Strome. The better approach is to give young kids short term deals - never more than two or three years.To be fair, Debrincat's new deal that starts next season is for 3 years. But once again the cap guru overpaid for 1 good season, giving him $6.4 million per season. |
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Post by tincup on Jan 9, 2020 23:44:13 GMT -6
Is there such a thing in sports as a”junior” slump? I know it’s a thing in university studies. If you were to look back into Debrincat’s career he probably hasn’t slumped since he first laced on skates. This is probably something new for him. He’s going to have to adapt his game somewhat. He wouldn’t be the first scorer to have to do that. Teams and players catch on. He’s smart, he’ll figure it out.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 10, 2020 5:13:36 GMT -6
Bowman has built his team on long term contracts. To my mind, it was too early (and unnecessary) to commit long term to Debrincat. I hope the general manager does not make the same mistake with Strome. The better approach is to give young kids short term deals - never more than two or three years. I agree about signing guys to shorter contracts and that's what Debrincat signed. This kid is special and a pitbull, he'll be fine. He's being targeted heavily this year, 40 goals will make people take notice. The hits he took this season I thought for sure he'd be out for a long time but I seen it a lot in the OHL, especially when he played in the Memorial Cup and he kept going. I don't think Debrincat and Dach should be paired yet, Dach with Toews and Kane with Debrincat, or switch the young guys. But no way should Kane be with 4th liners and AHL players. |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 10, 2020 5:39:37 GMT -6
Bowman has built his team on long term contracts. To my mind, it was too early (and unnecessary) to commit long term to Debrincat. I hope the general manager does not make the same mistake with Strome. The better approach is to give young kids short term deals - never more than two or three years. I agree about signing guys to shorter contracts and that's what Debrincat signed. This kid is special and a pitbull, he'll be fine. He's being targeted heavily this year, 40 goals will make people take notice. The hits he took this season I thought for sure he'd be out for a long time but I seen it a lot in the OHL, especially when he played in the Memorial Cup and he kept going. I don't think Debrincat and Dach should be paired yet, Dach with Toews and Kane with Debrincat, or switch the young guys. But no way should Kane be with 4th liners and AHL players. sadly, with the players injured (namely Strome) there is no one to center them both, so Dach has to center either he or 88. one would hope that after last night JC will put 88 back on the top line with 8 and 19, but guess we will see..... |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 10, 2020 10:38:36 GMT -6
I agree about signing guys to shorter contracts and that's what Debrincat signed. This kid is special and a pitbull, he'll be fine. He's being targeted heavily this year, 40 goals will make people take notice. The hits he took this season I thought for sure he'd be out for a long time but I seen it a lot in the OHL, especially when he played in the Memorial Cup and he kept going. I don't think Debrincat and Dach should be paired yet, Dach with Toews and Kane with Debrincat, or switch the young guys. But no way should Kane be with 4th liners and AHL players. sadly, with the players injured (namely Strome) there is no one to center them both, so Dach has to center either he or 88. one would hope that after last night JC will put 88 back on the top line with 8 and 19, but guess we will see..... By putting Kaner with JT and Kubli, that becomes your only line to be a threat D-cat, Dach, Nylander, Smith, The Legend Sikura, Highmore......can do nothing. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 10, 2020 12:50:31 GMT -6
sadly, with the players injured (namely Strome) there is no one to center them both, so Dach has to center either he or 88. one would hope that after last night JC will put 88 back on the top line with 8 and 19, but guess we will see..... By putting Kaner with JT and Kubli, that becomes your only line to be a threat D-cat, Dach, Nylander, Smith, The Legend Sikura, Highmore......can do nothing. Damn the bottom lines. Lets go like the Oilers and put the top two players together (T&K) and have them go all out on offense, get 100 pts each. That would get you a couple of wins, probably more wins than splitting them apart. TKKuba Dcat Dach Kampf - putting a defensive forward with them Smith Carp Nylander *mishmash 4th line; *maybe get a bruiser that would be a threat to injure the opposing team if they take a run on our stars *maybe put Gus as one of the wings in several shift. I mean it shouldnt be bad to have 3 Dmen on the ice eh? *give kids a chance, entwhistle, hagel, wedin, whats the worst that can happen? Lose more games and miss the PO? |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 10, 2020 13:13:04 GMT -6
By putting Kaner with JT and Kubli, that becomes your only line to be a threat D-cat, Dach, Nylander, Smith, The Legend Sikura, Highmore......can do nothing. Damn the bottom lines. Lets go like the Oilers and put the top two players together (T&K) and have them go all out on offense, get 100 pts each. That would get you a couple of wins, probably more wins than splitting them apart. TKKuba Dcat Dach Kampf - putting a defensive forward with them Smith Carp Nylander *mishmash 4th line; *maybe get a bruiser that would be a threat to injure the opposing team if they take a run on our stars *maybe put Gus as one of the wings in several shift. I mean it shouldnt be bad to have 3 Dmen on the ice eh? *give kids a chance, entwhistle, hagel, wedin, whats the worst that can happen? Lose more games and miss the PO? You notice I left out Saad and Strome of those equations, they make a hugh difference to line combo's If you go with Kane with JT/Kubi, then you can go with 12-17-20/77 as a line. Good solid #2 line there. Checking and pressure could be Smith-Caligula-20/77 4th line, does it matter? Nylander, Sikura, highmore, Carpentar, Kampf, Q's cousin... |
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 10, 2020 15:45:28 GMT -6
Damn the bottom lines. Lets go like the Oilers and put the top two players together (T&K) and have them go all out on offense, get 100 pts each. That would get you a couple of wins, probably more wins than splitting them apart. TKKuba Dcat Dach Kampf - putting a defensive forward with them Smith Carp Nylander *mishmash 4th line; *maybe get a bruiser that would be a threat to injure the opposing team if they take a run on our stars *maybe put Gus as one of the wings in several shift. I mean it shouldnt be bad to have 3 Dmen on the ice eh? *give kids a chance, entwhistle, hagel, wedin, whats the worst that can happen? Lose more games and miss the PO? You notice I left out Saad and Strome of those equations, they make a hugh difference to line combo's If you go with Kane with JT/Kubi, then you can go with 12-17-20/77 as a line. Good solid #2 line there. Checking and pressure could be Smith-Caligula-20/77 4th line, does it matter? Nylander, Sikura, highmore, Carpentar, Kampf, Q's cousin... last year, the lines were mostly like this;
Sikura/Kahun/irrelevant - Toews - Kane Dcat - Strome - Perlini/irrelevant Saad - AA - irrelevant 4th line, I don't even care to remember, probably really irrelevant as well
somehow Toews had an offensive year, same with Kane. Dcat got 40+ goals again, we were all happy with Strome Saad and AA - were just their normal selves the 4th line couldn't give them "good" minutes (this was close to be a play-off team)
when Saad and Strome comes back. the lines could be like this irrelevant - Toews - Kane = they can probably produce enough effectively whoever the wing is Dcat - Strome - irrelevant = just like T&K, they can carry a line good enough without a third "good" wing Saad - Kampf - Kubalik = they were really clicking early on Smith - Carp - whoever = better 4th line than last year, and they can give "good" minutes you can throw in the other roster player to the irrelevant and whoever position
I don't really know what the JC is doing with the lines. Even casual fans can tell you what lines are working. He keeps playing around, trying to find four lines that work and are all effective, so he spreads the "talent" around. doesn't he realize that the forward roster doesn't have enough "talent" for four lines? We all want 4 good lines, but by the way he's shuffling the roster, we don't have even one. Better to have a double than zero, and he keeps swinging for a home run.
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Post by Modry-Jazyk on Jan 16, 2020 14:35:42 GMT -6
I don't watch enough games recently to say "expert" opinion but here's something what could explain the low scoring issue.
the only difference between this and prev. season is huge drop of shots/goals percentage
2018/19 shots per game cca 2.7 Shooting % 18.8
2019/20 shots per game cca 2.8 Shooting % 8.8
low S% is usually related to less dangerous chances - shooting from longer distances, typical for all dman or forwards who refuse go closer to the net, pick rebounds etc.But it doesnt mean it's all his fault, small players like him need support in front of the net.
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Post by irmaks on Jan 16, 2020 14:48:53 GMT -6
I don't watch enough games recently to say "expert" opinion but here's something what could explain the low scoring issue. the only difference between this and prev. season is huge drop of shots/goals percentage 2018/19 shots per game cca 2.7 Shooting % 18.8 2019/20 shots per game cca 2.8 Shooting % 8.8 low S% is usually related to less dangerous chances - shooting from longer distances, typical for all dman or forwards who refuse go closer to the net, pick rebounds etc.But it doesnt mean it's all his fault, small players like him need support in front of the net. Huge drop in shooting percentage IS because he does not score goals. So you are saying he does not score more because he does not go to the net? As far as number of shots he takes it is pretty much the same. |
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Post by Modry-Jazyk on Jan 16, 2020 19:08:35 GMT -6
I don't watch enough games recently to say "expert" opinion but here's something what could explain the low scoring issue. the only difference between this and prev. season is huge drop of shots/goals percentage 2018/19 shots per game cca 2.7 Shooting % 18.8 2019/20 shots per game cca 2.8 Shooting % 8.8 low S% is usually related to less dangerous chances - shooting from longer distances, typical for all dman or forwards who refuse go closer to the net, pick rebounds etc.But it doesnt mean it's all his fault, small players like him need support in front of the net. Huge drop in shooting percentage IS because he does not score goals. So you are saying he does not score more because he does not go to the net? As far as number of shots he takes it is pretty much the same. shooting % is much higher if shot is made close to the net as shot near blueline, this is not my opinion but well known fact. |
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Post by irmaks on Jan 16, 2020 21:38:16 GMT -6
Huge drop in shooting percentage IS because he does not score goals. So you are saying he does not score more because he does not go to the net? As far as number of shots he takes it is pretty much the same. shooting % is much higher if shot is made close to the net as shot near blueline, this is not my opinion but well known fact. Shooting Percentage is calculated by simply taking the total number of goals scored and dividing it by the number of shots on goal. So in Debrincat case it's substantially lower because he doesn't score goals while having pretty much same shooting rate he had last year. That's well known fact. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 16, 2020 21:52:48 GMT -6
I don't watch enough games recently to say "expert" opinion but here's something what could explain the low scoring issue. the only difference between this and prev. season is huge drop of shots/goals percentage 2018/19 shots per game cca 2.7 Shooting % 18.8 2019/20 shots per game cca 2.8 Shooting % 8.8 low S% is usually related to less dangerous chances - shooting from longer distances, typical for all dman or forwards who refuse go closer to the net, pick rebounds etc.But it doesnt mean it's all his fault, small players like him need support in front of the net. He has never gone to the net, he is a one time shooter/sniper. He scored majority of his goals from Kaner cross ice feeds for one timers or mid slot one timers. From the beginning of the season he has been crushing sawdust (carbon fiber) from his stick. Fanned shots or just plain missing the net. I been waiting for him to break out. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 16, 2020 22:03:27 GMT -6
I don't watch enough games recently to say "expert" opinion but here's something what could explain the low scoring issue. the only difference between this and prev. season is huge drop of shots/goals percentage 2018/19 shots per game cca 2.7 Shooting % 18.8 2019/20 shots per game cca 2.8 Shooting % 8.8 low S% is usually related to less dangerous chances - shooting from longer distances, typical for all dman or forwards who refuse go closer to the net, pick rebounds etc.But it doesnt mean it's all his fault, small players like him need support in front of the net. As far as number of shots he takes it is pretty much the same. it is exactly the same. after 48 games this season, he has 137 sog. 12g, 21a, -5, 8 ppgs, 8.8%. after 48 games last season, he had 137 sog. 23g, 15a, -5, 7 ppgs, 16.8%. i think as much as anything, d-cat's lower numbers this season are a result of his success one timing goals in the previous season. he's not catching teams off guard so much and is being defended better. that cross ice pass to him just isn't there as much as it used to be before. not playing as much with kane, or having different line mates doesn't help either. stating the obvious, obviously. : ) |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 17, 2020 1:05:58 GMT -6
I don't watch enough games recently to say "expert" opinion but here's something what could explain the low scoring issue. the only difference between this and prev. season is huge drop of shots/goals percentage 2018/19 shots per game cca 2.7 Shooting % 18.8 2019/20 shots per game cca 2.8 Shooting % 8.8 low S% is usually related to less dangerous chances - shooting from longer distances, typical for all dman or forwards who refuse go closer to the net, pick rebounds etc.But it doesnt mean it's all his fault, small players like him need support in front of the net. Huge drop in shooting percentage IS because he does not score goals. So you are saying he does not score more because he does not go to the net? As far as number of shots he takes it is pretty much the same. the numbers show that d-cat doesn't often go to the net. since his first nhl game he's got 538 shots on goal. out of those only 8 were tips, 2 were deflections and 2 were wrap-arounds. for comparison's sake, in the same time frame, jonny (555 total shots) had 42 tips, 14 deflections and 6 wrap-arounds while saad (516 total shots) has had 43 tips, 16 deflections and 4 wrap-arounds. now if i was the coach, i sure wouldn't tell d-cat to change his style but i would tell him once in a while to tuck that shoulder in and drive the net. he's built for it. short, fast with a low center of gravity and he's very strong for his size. i think he needs to give a different look to his game more often rather than just usually shooting from the perimeter, even though that's his strong suit. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 17, 2020 9:26:53 GMT -6
Many good points made and I'd add he needs to be out there with a good set up man. Strome and D-Cat forged the necessary chemistry but they didn't always play together to start the year and Strome got hurt twice once they were back together. We now see D-Cat out with a rook who hasn't been on the scoresheet in how long and a defensive specialist/4LC.....no wonder his goals come on the PP. Get him back with Strome and an actual NHL winger on the other side and he could finish strong. This team continues to play their best forwards with 4th liners and then wonders why their best players play like 4th liners.
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Post by hsbob on Feb 1, 2020 10:03:20 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 1, 2020 10:56:50 GMT -6
I think it was back in November i said, if the sticks were still made of wood, D-cats would be sawdust by now. He was obviously trying to hard to score and whiffed a lot on shots. But also other teams are covering him differently and he hasn't adjusted yet. He had a couple small streaks that looked like he getting his touch back. Here's hoping that ball gets rolling for him. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 1, 2020 13:22:20 GMT -6
Many good points made and I'd add he needs to be out there with a good set up man. Strome and D-Cat forged the necessary chemistry but they didn't always play together to start the year and Strome got hurt twice once they were back together. We now see D-Cat out with a rook who hasn't been on the scoresheet in how long and a defensive specialist/4LC.....no wonder his goals come on the PP. Get him back with Strome and an actual NHL winger on the other side and he could finish strong. This team continues to play their best forwards with 4th liners and then wonders why their best players play like 4th liners. Collitons lines are strange most of the time, Carpenter with Kane 🙄 but Debrincats production hasn't been there no matter who he's playing with 5 on 5. Debrincat might have a shoulder or upper body injury considering the huge hits he took this season but he's tough and 10 days off should help. Kampf has grown on me and he's a solid 3C but not a set up man, getting Strome back should help plus Dach has been playing much better and had 1g-1a last game. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 1, 2020 16:28:26 GMT -6
Many good points made and I'd add he needs to be out there with a good set up man. Strome and D-Cat forged the necessary chemistry but they didn't always play together to start the year and Strome got hurt twice once they were back together. We now see D-Cat out with a rook who hasn't been on the scoresheet in how long and a defensive specialist/4LC.....no wonder his goals come on the PP. Get him back with Strome and an actual NHL winger on the other side and he could finish strong. This team continues to play their best forwards with 4th liners and then wonders why their best players play like 4th liners. Collitons lines are strange most of the time, Carpenter with Kane 🙄 but Debrincats production hasn't been there no matter who he's playing with 5 on 5. Debrincat might have a shoulder or upper body injury considering the huge hits he took this season but he's tough and 10 days off should help. Kampf has grown on me and he's a solid 3C but not a set up man, getting Strome back should help plus Dach has been playing much better and had 1g-1a last game. D-Cat and Strome were separated right from the start this year for some reason and playing D-Cat with 3rd line players has resulted in his numbers so far,put him with Kane and he'd pot 40 every year. AA,Shaw and even Bolland weren't considered solid 3LC's by many although they all were good for 15-20 a year but a guy with 15 for his career is a solid 3LC these days...…..how the mighty have fallen. Kampf's been good defensively and he kills,if he reaches 10gls this year,he'll be solid 4LC IMO. Dach and D-Cat both have been blasted this year and they'll have to get used to that playin' here but at least D-Cat will stick up for himself......what choice does he have? |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 1, 2020 17:38:30 GMT -6
Collitons lines are strange most of the time, Carpenter with Kane 🙄 but Debrincats production hasn't been there no matter who he's playing with 5 on 5. Debrincat might have a shoulder or upper body injury considering the huge hits he took this season but he's tough and 10 days off should help. Kampf has grown on me and he's a solid 3C but not a set up man, getting Strome back should help plus Dach has been playing much better and had 1g-1a last game. D-Cat and Strome were separated right from the start this year for some reason and playing D-Cat with 3rd line players has resulted in his numbers so far,put him with Kane and he'd pot 40 every year. AA,Shaw and even Bolland weren't considered solid 3LC's by many although they all were good for 15-20 a year but a guy with 15 for his career is a solid 3LC these days...…..how the mighty have fallen. Kampf's been good defensively and he kills,if he reaches 10gls this year,he'll be solid 4LC IMO. Dach and D-Cat both have been blasted this year and they'll have to get used to that playin' here but at least D-Cat will stick up for himself......what choice does he have? I've wanted Kane and Debrincat together since the Cats first game, they had good chemistry since Alexs first camp, not sure why they aren't together. And Bolland never had a 20 goal season in his career and Shaw did it once for Chicago, yes Bolland was good for roughly 40pts and Shaw 30 but neither were good at faceoffs, a good 3C should be good for 50% at least, Kampf is. I don't care what his career totals are because the last 2 seasons were terrible and so was the Hawks depth. Kampf is playing with better players now and he's starting to produce, Bolland and Shaw had some good players to play with and it helped their production. Either way, Colliton makes some bad decisions and it's costing Debrincat a lot of goals. It only makes sense to have a playmaker with a sniper. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 2, 2020 10:03:58 GMT -6
D-Cat and Strome were separated right from the start this year for some reason and playing D-Cat with 3rd line players has resulted in his numbers so far,put him with Kane and he'd pot 40 every year. AA,Shaw and even Bolland weren't considered solid 3LC's by many although they all were good for 15-20 a year but a guy with 15 for his career is a solid 3LC these days...…..how the mighty have fallen. Kampf's been good defensively and he kills,if he reaches 10gls this year,he'll be solid 4LC IMO. Dach and D-Cat both have been blasted this year and they'll have to get used to that playin' here but at least D-Cat will stick up for himself......what choice does he have? I've wanted Kane and Debrincat together since the Cats first game, they had good chemistry since Alexs first camp, not sure why they aren't together. And Bolland never had a 20 goal season in his career and Shaw did it once for Chicago, yes Bolland was good for roughly 40pts and Shaw 30 but neither were good at faceoffs, a good 3C should be good for 50% at least, Kampf is. I don't care what his career totals are because the last 2 seasons were terrible and so was the Hawks depth. Kampf is playing with better players now and he's starting to produce, Bolland and Shaw had some good players to play with and it helped their production. Either way, Colliton makes some bad decisions and it's costing Debrincat a lot of goals. It only makes sense to have a playmaker with a sniper. If 20 goal seasons are a qualifier than there's no need for this comparison because one hasn't reached half that,Shaw once as you said and Bolland had 19 twice. Shaw, .215 gls a game,.458 points a game,48.1 FO%,big part of two cups and part of a great SCF shut down line in '15'. Bolland, .196 gls a game,.480 pts a game,46 FO%,big part of two cups and also part of a great SCF shut down line in '13'. Kampf, .093 gls a game,.270 pts a game,50.3 FO%,he's worked hard to improve at the dot but other than that I got nothin'. I like Kampf too and I see him as a solid 4LC but when a team has 6 4th line forwards on the roster...….they have to play somewhere. |
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Post by tincup on Feb 2, 2020 13:44:21 GMT -6
Eight shots last night, most were legit scoring chances, a couple of those were high danger. He’s getting his chances.
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 3, 2020 10:47:20 GMT -6
Eight shots last night, most were legit scoring chances, a couple of those were high danger. He’s getting his chances. like many slumping scorers across the last century have said....you worry when you're not getting your chances. |
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