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Post by hsbob on May 14, 2020 10:17:50 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 14, 2020 10:38:59 GMT -6
It made absolutely no sense to not play him and Strome together on the 2nd line, Toews and Kane should've been line 1. I think that's how game 1 started but that quickly changed. |
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Post by doogiew on May 14, 2020 16:20:16 GMT -6
It made absolutely no sense to not play him and Strome together on the 2nd line, Toews and Kane should've been line 1. I think that's how game 1 started but that quickly changed. I said from before season start the lines should have been JT PK and Kubalik. DS Cat and if Dach made the team put him on right wing. Does anyone listen to me? Nooo |
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Post by BigT on May 14, 2020 17:21:44 GMT -6
A kid averaging 35 goals a year in his first 2 years is amazing. For him to take a step back is unheard of like that. I’m sure GT can find a few examples somewhere, but it really shouldn’t happen to Dcat, not with the talent surrounding him on this team. If he’s kept away from the talent, he will not shine. I think Dcat and Strome should have been with Saad. And Toews and Kane with Dach. No reason for Dach to play his first year at center. It would have been much easier to adapt to the wing and watch one of the best ever play center and learn from him. Just a terrible job by the coaching staff and more than likely the Bowman’s. It was clear Stan and co had no faith in the bottom 6, so they spread the wealth and it failed miserably. Yet he had money to spend, and didn’t go after a guy like Brassard. He signed for 1.2 million. I think that was more than fair and he averaged a point every other game and is defensively responsible. He could have been very good on the 3rd line with Drake, and Kubalik to start the year. Then if Dach or Saad don’t pan out up there, they switch with Kubalik. Then Kampf with Carpenter and Smith. It helps a long way to have a solid center. Also I’d let Nylander prove his worth in the farm. It really doesn’t take much to figure out what the lines should be. If this keeps up, Stan and co will face another year of no playoffs and have no one to blame. Everyone to blame is now gone. If Bowman and his clown college aren’t sent to hit the rails, then it’s really sad and this will take much much longer than anyone thinks to figure out. I’d say it’ll take 12-15 years before the Hawks are anything worth talking about again. It’s over, time to rebuild!!! |
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Post by shooter61 on May 14, 2020 19:38:13 GMT -6
Glad we all agree on that , not much hockey knowledge needed to figure it out, ,\we do have a fairly good top 6 even top 7, but it's not good when they have to spread them over 4 lines
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Post by hsbob on May 15, 2020 6:31:43 GMT -6
It made absolutely no sense to not play him and Strome together on the 2nd line, Toews and Kane should've been line 1. I think that's how game 1 started but that quickly changed. It didn't last the game if I recall. I thought going into last year, a young,returning HC woulda had a good relationship with his young emerging stars(Strome and D-Cat were exactly that)but it looked like he lost faith in both fairly early.....maybe 'lost faith' isn't the right term but both talented young players regressed and that's on the staff. I believe the continuity of playing together would have only improved their already excellent chemistry from the year before and that was with Perlini for God's sake. If the coach wants to see if the two are effective apart,why not put your sniper with Kane ala Breadman? Why only on the PP and when the team is down a goal or two late? |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 15, 2020 7:37:38 GMT -6
It made absolutely no sense to not play him and Strome together on the 2nd line, Toews and Kane should've been line 1. I think that's how game 1 started but that quickly changed. It didn't last the game if I recall. I thought going into last year, a young,returning HC woulda had a good relationship with his young emerging stars(Strome and D-Cat were exactly that)but it looked like he lost faith in both fairly early.....maybe 'lost faith' isn't the right term but both talented young players regressed and that's on the staff. I believe the continuity of playing together would have only improved their already excellent chemistry from the year before and that was with Perlini for God's sake. If the coach wants to see if the two are effective apart,why not put your sniper with Kane ala Breadman? Why only on the PP and when the team is down a goal or two late? Yeah he changed the lines after the 2nd period of game 1. I know you don't like Nylander but he scored the first goal of the season and looked good till Colliton decided to put him on the 4th line, that messed up his confidence. And putting Debrincat on the 3rd line was pretty stupid, him and Kane have great chemistry, basically since Debrincats first camp. Colliton doesn't see that I guess, he only goes by Corsi numbers, or else Gilbert would've been playing full time. |
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Post by hsbob on May 15, 2020 7:50:33 GMT -6
It didn't last the game if I recall. I thought going into last year, a young,returning HC woulda had a good relationship with his young emerging stars(Strome and D-Cat were exactly that)but it looked like he lost faith in both fairly early.....maybe 'lost faith' isn't the right term but both talented young players regressed and that's on the staff. I believe the continuity of playing together would have only improved their already excellent chemistry from the year before and that was with Perlini for God's sake. If the coach wants to see if the two are effective apart,why not put your sniper with Kane ala Breadman? Why only on the PP and when the team is down a goal or two late? Yeah he changed the lines after the 2nd period of game 1. I know you don't like Nylander but he scored the first goal of the season and looked good till Colliton decided to put him on the 4th line, that messed up his confidence. And putting Debrincat on the 3rd line was pretty stupid, him and Kane have great chemistry, basically since Debrincats first camp. Colliton doesn't see that I guess, he only goes by Corsi numbers, or else Gilbert would've been playing full time. I admit to not being sold on Nolander BUT I still put him out with K&T for the first month,if only to give him every chance at gaining the needed confidence but it didn't happen. I'm not saying I want the kid on the 1st line but most teams give a kid they traded a top prospect for every chance to succeed but he was scratched a few games in instead. I still have no idea what path his career takes but we'll probably see a lot of him next year no matter how he plays.....who knows. I will say this,if the kid comes out and busts his ass at both ends and earns good minutes.....I'll be on his side. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 15, 2020 8:35:02 GMT -6
Yeah he changed the lines after the 2nd period of game 1. I know you don't like Nylander but he scored the first goal of the season and looked good till Colliton decided to put him on the 4th line, that messed up his confidence. of course i'm rooting for nylander, but honestly? if the kid loses his confidence that easily and that early... i know he was 21 at the time but his whole family's in hockey. he's spent basically his whole life in N.A, he shouldn't be so fragile. i'm hoping for bigger and better things but as of now i think we got rooked. hopefully a bit of maturity will fix things. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 15, 2020 9:46:52 GMT -6
Yeah he changed the lines after the 2nd period of game 1. I know you don't like Nylander but he scored the first goal of the season and looked good till Colliton decided to put him on the 4th line, that messed up his confidence. And putting Debrincat on the 3rd line was pretty stupid, him and Kane have great chemistry, basically since Debrincats first camp. Colliton doesn't see that I guess, he only goes by Corsi numbers, or else Gilbert would've been playing full time. I admit to not being sold on Nolander BUT I still put him out with K&T for the first month,if only to give him every chance at gaining the needed confidence but it didn't happen. I'm not saying I want the kid on the 1st line but most teams give a kid they traded a top prospect for every chance to succeed but he was scratched a few games in instead. I still have no idea what path his career takes but we'll probably see a lot of him next year no matter how he plays.....who knows. I will say this,if the kid comes out and busts his ass at both ends and earns good minutes.....I'll be on his side. I thought for sure he'd get a few games with T&K but 2 periods 😳 and GT is right, considering his bloodlines and how his brother's doing, plus he grew up in North America and being around the NHL, his confidence shouldn't have been lost that easily, even though it was a confusing move by JC. And before the season was postponed he looked good with Kaner and was back checking regularly, even Eddie O mentioned it and shockingly Foley had some good things to say about him. But we got sidetracked and this is the Debrincat thread lol Alex took some huge hits and I thought for sure he'd be on the IR but he didn't miss any time, maybe that played a part in his numbers declining, plus JC not using him properly. |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 16, 2020 21:09:12 GMT -6
By all indications Nylander was a guy that Stan sold a young D-man for a project. Now granted Joker might never be more than a 3-4 but still, the 'hawks need as many options on D as they can get their hands on. Keith and Murph can't do everything and at the time of the trade, Beaudin and Boqvist were both completely unknown commodities.
That being said, Nylander, much like Sikura the previous year, should have been given every opportunity to succeed in spite of his failures. The fact that he wasn't jammed down our throats what with Stan's personal manservant coaching does speak a lot--if not on promise then on attitude.
Besides, if genetic pedigree was everything, David Toews and Keith Seabrook would have made a dent in the NHL, and Marcel Hossa a bigger dent.
*That* being said, I do want him to succeed. I just got this feeling that they might cut their losses with him because he isn't what they projected, and knowing Stan's history we'll get someone off of the scrap heap who wore the Indianhead before and is a shadow of their former self.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 8:24:22 GMT -6
It made absolutely no sense to not play him and Strome together on the 2nd line, Toews and Kane should've been line 1. I think that's how game 1 started but that quickly changed. I said from before season start the lines should have been JT PK and Kubalik. DS Cat and if Dach made the team put him on right wing. Does anyone listen to me? Nooo  |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 8:33:12 GMT -6
By all indications Nylander was a guy that Stan sold a young D-man for a project. Now granted Joker might never be more than a 3-4 but still, the 'hawks need as many options on D as they can get their hands on. Keith and Murph can't do everything and at the time of the trade, Beaudin and Boqvist were both completely unknown commodities. That being said, Nylander, much like Sikura the previous year, should have been given every opportunity to succeed in spite of his failures. The fact that he wasn't jammed down our throats what with Stan's personal manservant coaching does speak a lot--if not on promise then on attitude. Besides, if genetic pedigree was everything, David Toews and Keith Seabrook would have made a dent in the NHL, and Marcel Hossa a bigger dent. *That* being said, I do want him to succeed. I just got this feeling that they might cut their losses with him because he isn't what they projected, and knowing Stan's history we'll get someone off of the scrap heap who wore the Indianhead before and is a shadow of their former self. I wanted the Hawks to get these guys and Evander Kane, if for no other reason then to have an announcers nightmare (obviously talent level not taken into account here).
On defense you'd have Keith, Seabrook, and Keith Seabrook.
Top 2 lines would be:
Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Marian Hossa David Toews, Evander Kane, Marcel Hossa
Then throw in the following for a 3rd/4th line:
Jordan TooToo, Jonathan Cheecho, Tuomo Ruutu
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Post by hsbob on May 17, 2020 9:49:35 GMT -6
I admit to not being sold on Nolander BUT I still put him out with K&T for the first month,if only to give him every chance at gaining the needed confidence but it didn't happen. I'm not saying I want the kid on the 1st line but most teams give a kid they traded a top prospect for every chance to succeed but he was scratched a few games in instead. I still have no idea what path his career takes but we'll probably see a lot of him next year no matter how he plays.....who knows. I will say this,if the kid comes out and busts his ass at both ends and earns good minutes.....I'll be on his side. I thought for sure he'd get a few games with T&K but 2 periods 😳 and GT is right, considering his bloodlines and how his brother's doing, plus he grew up in North America and being around the NHL, his confidence shouldn't have been lost that easily, even though it was a confusing move by JC. And before the season was postponed he looked good with Kaner and was back checking regularly, even Eddie O mentioned it and shockingly Foley had some good things to say about him. But we got sidetracked and this is the Debrincat thread lol Alex took some huge hits and I thought for sure he'd be on the IR but he didn't miss any time, maybe that played a part in his numbers declining, plus JC not using him properly. The red flag for me when he was acquired was the three kicks at the can he had in Buffalo. Yes,he was young but the Sabres were also in dire need of a top six forward(his supposed forte),two different HC's didn't see it. You'd think three returns to the 'A' and ripping his last Org after the trade woulda lit a fire under him,I did see a little top end ability at times but I saw little if any fire on most nights. Maybe he matures as gt said but I just wonder what he's been waitn' for. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 23, 2020 13:17:24 GMT -6
By all indications Nylander was a guy that Stan sold a young D-man for a project. Now granted Joker might never be more than a 3-4 but still, the 'hawks need as many options on D as they can get their hands on. Keith and Murph can't do everything and at the time of the trade, Beaudin and Boqvist were both completely unknown commodities. That being said, Nylander, much like Sikura the previous year, should have been given every opportunity to succeed in spite of his failures. The fact that he wasn't jammed down our throats what with Stan's personal manservant coaching does speak a lot--if not on promise then on attitude. Besides, if genetic pedigree was everything, David Toews and Keith Seabrook would have made a dent in the NHL, and Marcel Hossa a bigger dent. *That* being said, I do want him to succeed. I just got this feeling that they might cut their losses with him because he isn't what they projected, and knowing Stan's history we'll get someone off of the scrap heap who wore the Indianhead before and is a shadow of their former self. Not sure why you brought up the younger brothers of great Hawks players, they weren't drafted high in the 1st round like Nylander, so I'm not basing my expectations on him due to his name. |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 23, 2020 21:09:17 GMT -6
By all indications Nylander was a guy that Stan sold a young D-man for a project. Now granted Joker might never be more than a 3-4 but still, the 'hawks need as many options on D as they can get their hands on. Keith and Murph can't do everything and at the time of the trade, Beaudin and Boqvist were both completely unknown commodities. That being said, Nylander, much like Sikura the previous year, should have been given every opportunity to succeed in spite of his failures. The fact that he wasn't jammed down our throats what with Stan's personal manservant coaching does speak a lot--if not on promise then on attitude. Besides, if genetic pedigree was everything, David Toews and Keith Seabrook would have made a dent in the NHL, and Marcel Hossa a bigger dent. *That* being said, I do want him to succeed. I just got this feeling that they might cut their losses with him because he isn't what they projected, and knowing Stan's history we'll get someone off of the scrap heap who wore the Indianhead before and is a shadow of their former self. Not sure why you brought up the younger brothers of great Hawks players, they weren't drafted high in the 1st round like Nylander, so I'm not basing my expectations on him due to his name. My post wasn't a quote of anyone in general, but it was mainly referencing galaxytrash's quote of: Both his father and brother play(ed) hockey, but just because he shares a number of chromosomes with William and Michael Nylander does not mean he'll be a player at all like them--irrespective of draft position and this is something Stan, as an NHL GM should know. IMHO Nylander was a gamble which, so far, hasn't worked out. If they want to throw him on the top line then fine...I doubt it will do much other than shuffle the deck chairs a bit--IMHO it won't be the magic bullet that makes this team great again. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 23, 2020 21:29:14 GMT -6
My post wasn't a quote of anyone in general, but it was mainly referencing galaxytrash 's quote of: i know he was 21 at the time but his whole family's in hockey. he's spent basically his whole life in N.A, he shouldn't be so fragile.
Both his father and brother play(ed) hockey, but just because he shares a number of chromosomes with William and Michael Nylander does not mean he'll be a player at all like them--irrespective of draft position and this is something Stan, as an NHL GM should know. IMHO Nylander was a gamble which, so far, hasn't worked out. If they want to throw him on the top line then fine...I doubt it will do much other than shuffle the deck chairs a bit--IMHO it won't be the magic bullet that makes this team great again. the point i was trying to make, and did a poor job of, was that nylander wasn't your typical european youngster new to the small ice and playing in a foreign country. i was referring to his fragility more than his genetics. : ) |
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Post by hsbob on May 24, 2020 8:18:17 GMT -6
My post wasn't a quote of anyone in general, but it was mainly referencing galaxytrash 's quote of: i know he was 21 at the time but his whole family's in hockey. he's spent basically his whole life in N.A, he shouldn't be so fragile.
Both his father and brother play(ed) hockey, but just because he shares a number of chromosomes with William and Michael Nylander does not mean he'll be a player at all like them--irrespective of draft position and this is something Stan, as an NHL GM should know. IMHO Nylander was a gamble which, so far, hasn't worked out. If they want to throw him on the top line then fine...I doubt it will do much other than shuffle the deck chairs a bit--IMHO it won't be the magic bullet that makes this team great again. the point i was trying to make, and did a poor job of, was that nylander wasn't your typical european youngster new to the small ice and playing in a foreign country. i was referring to his fragility more than his genetics. : ) I don't think any of us wanted young Alex due to his lineage(I didn't want him at all) but I agree with you as far as his familiarity with the game being an advantage. Maybe who his father and brother are shouldn't matter any more than who his 2nd cousin is but I believe it should with this young player. If expecting much of young Alex happened only due to his immediate family's success,then yes,that's ridiculous but this was a kid who showed high level play at high levels as a prospect and that led to being a very high pick. Since the talent was mostly apparent,the examples put forth by his father and older brother should absolutely be an advantage for this young player but they also seem absolutely lost on him. I can understand Buffalo's FO being buffaloed by taking him so high but not our FO after seeing what two HC's called a disappointment and three demotions.....JC was the third HC to healthy scratch this kid on several occasions or demote him outright for lackadaisical play and an apparent lack of commitment. As I said in another post......what on earth is this kid waiting for? |
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2020 12:49:23 GMT -6
To me, for a kid that has decent size, and supposedly unreal skill ( doesn’t this sound like Jurco, Dick Panik, etc) that I’ve never seen. You’d think that in 84 career games 13 goals and 19 assists should be a notch higher. For me, it’s not just about the point totals. It’s his total lack of urgency. Coaching my sons team this year I learned that some kids don’t want to be leaned on, and some kids just will never have the “go get it” attitude. Nylander seems like the kid that has made it strictly off of skill and his effort has been called into question a lot. At 22, he will never be that grinding 3/4 liner, he needs to be the top line player that shows urgency and has that killer instinct. Just look at the 2011 playoffs. Ya the Hawks kinda sucked, but in game 7 of the Van series, Toews just didn’t give up and the goal he scored to send it to OT is exactly what Nylander needs. It was also short handed. Nylander has none of that, he’s not going to get it. Even if he scores a bit more in the regular season, he’ll never ever be the playoff performer we desire. Take a look again!!! youtu.be/EYM-4aqJnm8 |
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Post by doogiew on May 24, 2020 14:32:44 GMT -6
I don't know why everyone keeps beating Nylander up. The kids a wash we lost joker so we have to move past it. Comparing Nylander in anyway is baffling me. The Back when this team was winning cups Toews was at the top of the discussion of being the best and was the most sought after center in the league.
Nylander sucks period. No he isn't Jonathan Toews not close never will be. Then again neither are 689 other players in the league. Now let's get back to making excuses for Debrincat.
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Post by LordKOTL on May 24, 2020 18:09:51 GMT -6
My post wasn't a quote of anyone in general, but it was mainly referencing galaxytrash 's quote of: i know he was 21 at the time but his whole family's in hockey. he's spent basically his whole life in N.A, he shouldn't be so fragile.
Both his father and brother play(ed) hockey, but just because he shares a number of chromosomes with William and Michael Nylander does not mean he'll be a player at all like them--irrespective of draft position and this is something Stan, as an NHL GM should know. IMHO Nylander was a gamble which, so far, hasn't worked out. If they want to throw him on the top line then fine...I doubt it will do much other than shuffle the deck chairs a bit--IMHO it won't be the magic bullet that makes this team great again. the point i was trying to make, and did a poor job of, was that nylander wasn't your typical european youngster new to the small ice and playing in a foreign country. i was referring to his fragility more than his genetics. : ) Point taken, but there are those out there who interpreted his pedigree and, going of of what BigT said below with respect to the bolded: To me, for a kid that has decent size, and supposedly unreal skill ( doesn’t this sound like Jurco, Dick Panik, etc) that I’ve never seen. You’d think that in 84 career games 13 goals and 19 assists should be a notch higher. For me, it’s not just about the point totals. It’s his total lack of urgency. Coaching my sons team this year I learned that some kids don’t want to be leaned on, and some kids just will never have the “go get it” attitude. Nylander seems like the kid that has made it strictly off of skill and his effort has been called into question a lot. At 22, he will never be that grinding 3/4 liner, he needs to be the top line player that shows urgency and has that killer instinct. Just look at the 2011 playoffs. Ya the Hawks kinda sucked, but in game 7 of the Van series, Toews just didn’t give up and the goal he scored to send it to OT is exactly what Nylander needs. It was also short handed. Nylander has none of that, he’s not going to get it. Even if he scores a bit more in the regular season, he’ll never ever be the playoff performer we desire. Take a look again!!! youtu.be/EYM-4aqJnm8That there is/was a real gem in Nylander. I can't tell you how many times on a variety of boards someone was harping on Nylander's supposed untapped skill...and yet he's never brought it to bear. I don't see him as a gem and honestly, pedigree doesn't always count for much. As BigT mentioned there always the innate drive (or lack thereof) a player has. Pedigree doesn't determine drive...and I agree with the T: Nylander's drive is stuck in neutral. Back to Debrincat, I'm just really hoping this was a slump year. His shooting% indicates it mighty be--going from unreal to not being able to hit much of anything. We'll have to see once things pick up/next year. His $6.4 kicks in and he will be on the clock. |
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Post by doogiew on May 25, 2020 8:03:49 GMT -6
That there is/was a real gem in Nylander. I can't tell you how many times on a variety of boards someone was harping on Nylander's supposed untapped skill...and yet he's never brought it to bear. I don't see him as a gem and honestly, pedigree doesn't always count for much. As BigT mentioned there always the innate drive (or lack thereof) a player has. Pedigree doesn't determine drive...and I agree with the T: Nylander's drive is stuck in neutral. Back to Debrincat, I'm just really hoping this was a slump year. His shooting% indicates it mighty be--going from unreal to not being able to hit much of anything. We'll have to see once things pick up/next year. His $6.4 kicks in and he will be on the clock. This will be a telling season for both of these players. If Debrincat doesn't bounce back it will just be one more time Bowman has messed up and signed a player too early to a big contract. A player has to play with some desperation. Unfortunately all I seen in the Cat all season pretty much was frustration. Other teams know where he's shooting from now and it shows as they take his lanes away. He needs to evolve and that can sometimes be difficult for a young player. The same can be said for Nylander. If anyone watched he seems to be a player that plateaus with who ever he plays with. On the bottom two lines he plays like a third or fourth liner. When he plays up he shows some signs of being what everyone thought and thinks he could be. I still don't see him earning a permanent spot on the top lines, but it's definitely something to be explored on an extenuating basis of ten consecutive games or so. He's here after all. |
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Post by hsbob on May 25, 2020 8:46:42 GMT -6
To me, for a kid that has decent size, and supposedly unreal skill ( doesn’t this sound like Jurco, Dick Panik, etc) that I’ve never seen. You’d think that in 84 career games 13 goals and 19 assists should be a notch higher. For me, it’s not just about the point totals. It’s his total lack of urgency. Coaching my sons team this year I learned that some kids don’t want to be leaned on, and some kids just will never have the “go get it” attitude. Nylander seems like the kid that has made it strictly off of skill and his effort has been called into question a lot. At 22, he will never be that grinding 3/4 liner, he needs to be the top line player that shows urgency and has that killer instinct. Just look at the 2011 playoffs. Ya the Hawks kinda sucked, but in game 7 of the Van series, Toews just didn’t give up and the goal he scored to send it to OT is exactly what Nylander needs. It was also short handed. Nylander has none of that, he’s not going to get it. Even if he scores a bit more in the regular season, he’ll never ever be the playoff performer we desire. Take a look again!!! youtu.be/EYM-4aqJnm8Gotta give ya a like for the vid alone.....isn't it eerie to see our old friend Chris Campoli in it? You'd think a kid who gets a shot @19 would be excited,same kid gets another shot @20 would be excited and determined and yet another shot @21 and he'd have his hair on F'n fire.........no need for an extinguisher with young Alex though. I guess making a lineup @22 is development of some kind but his 3rd HC scratched him five times,cut his minutes and played him down the lineup. The Sabres didn't know what they were gettin' into when they drafted a kid comin' off a real good OHL season and a few U20 teams BUT SB had a chance to see the three failed seasons that came after his draft year(a disturbing -24 in Rochester) ......this shoulda been Buffalo's failed pick but SB traded a 20yro starting D-man to make sure he's ours. Maybe the kid makes you n me eat a plate of crow but I wouldn't start pluckin' any time soon! |
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Post by hsbob on May 25, 2020 9:04:30 GMT -6
I don't know why everyone keeps beating Nylander up. The kids a wash we lost joker so we have to move past it. Comparing Nylander in anyway is baffling me. The Back when this team was winning cups Toews was at the top of the discussion of being the best and was the most sought after center in the league. Nylander sucks period. No he isn't Jonathan Toews not close never will be. Then again neither are 689 other players in the league. Now let's get back to making excuses for Debrincat. I won't compare Nolander to any accomplished player because it's unfair but since you mentioned D-Cat and since they're the same age,let's compare them...... One was a highly touted 1st round pick and one was an overlooked late 2nd rounder..... One 6'1" 193lbs and one 5'9" 165lbs..... One made his mark on the league immediately and one made nothing of his first three shots...…. One has 87gls and 173pts in his first 234 gms and the other has 13/32 in 84gms.... One needs no excuses and one is an excuse. C'mon doogs,wouldn't ya put your best sniper with your best passer? |
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Post by BigT on May 26, 2020 6:08:08 GMT -6
I don't know why everyone keeps beating Nylander up. The kids a wash we lost joker so we have to move past it. Comparing Nylander in anyway is baffling me. The Back when this team was winning cups Toews was at the top of the discussion of being the best and was the most sought after center in the league. Nylander sucks period. No he isn't Jonathan Toews not close never will be. Then again neither are 689 other players in the league. Now let's get back to making excuses for Debrincat. I won't compare Nolander to any accomplished player because it's unfair but since you mentioned D-Cat and since they're the same age,let's compare them...... One was a highly touted 1st round pick and one was an overlooked late 2nd rounder..... One 6'1" 193lbs and one 5'9" 165lbs..... One made his mark on the league immediately and one made nothing of his first three shots...…. One has 87gls and 173pts in his first 234 gms and the other has 13/32 in 84gms.... One needs no excuses and one is an excuse. C'mon doogs,wouldn't ya put your best sniper with your best passer? Remember Bob, Dcat is only 5’7”! Which makes his story that much “taller”!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 26, 2020 7:32:15 GMT -6
I won't compare Nolander to any accomplished player because it's unfair but since you mentioned D-Cat and since they're the same age,let's compare them...... One was a highly touted 1st round pick and one was an overlooked late 2nd rounder..... One 6'1" 193lbs and one 5'9" 165lbs..... One made his mark on the league immediately and one made nothing of his first three shots...…. One has 87gls and 173pts in his first 234 gms and the other has 13/32 in 84gms.... One needs no excuses and one is an excuse. C'mon doogs,wouldn't ya put your best sniper with your best passer? Remember Bob, Dcat is only 5’7”! Which makes his story that much “taller”!!! I guess I knew that but it's hard to type it!LOL! 5'7" 165lbs and he's yet to miss a start,he's picked himself up after some big hits and has HAD to take matters into his own hands every F'n time...….what kind of team does that? Let's put D-Cat on a line with Carpenter and Nolander next year so we can complain about his new contract...….who TF does that? |
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Post by shooter61 on May 26, 2020 8:58:20 GMT -6
not ready to kick nylander to the curb yet, remember he did out score Dach,let him get his confidence back and see where it goes, did show a bit of his talent, maybe not enough for most on here, but we are stuck with him lets make the most of it
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 26, 2020 11:53:56 GMT -6
not ready to kick nylander to the curb yet, remember he did out score Dach,let him get his confidence back and see where it goes, did show a bit of his talent, maybe not enough for most on here, but we are stuck with him lets make the most of it That's how I look at it, that was a horrible trade but it happened and we have to move on and hope he turns the corner. Lets not forget the Sabres are a bad franchise and he never had leaders like Toews, Kane, Seabs and Keith, plus they expected to much of him at a young age, he's not a franchise player. I can see why a lot of people are frustrated but he has shown some high end talent in his brief time in Chicago, he had a nice goal his first game and he scored some goals in close with not much room and bad angles. Plus not many players can skate just as faster or faster when they have the puck, he can, and he has good speed and agility. The problem is he tends to over think, pass when he should've shot or vice versa, or holding the puck to long. But back to Debrincat lol I've wanted him and Kane together since the Cats first camp were him and Kane were shown joking around, they still talk a lot on the bench so put them together, Strome or Dach can center them. Yeah they're small wingers but we've seen that the Cat is tough and won't back down from physical play. |
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Post by shooter61 on May 26, 2020 16:52:16 GMT -6
not ready to kick nylander to the curb yet, remember he did out score Dach,let him get his confidence back and see where it goes, did show a bit of his talent, maybe not enough for most on here, but we are stuck with him lets make the most of it That's how I look at it, that was a horrible trade but it happened and we have to move on and hope he turns the corner. Lets not forget the Sabres are a bad franchise and he never had leaders like Toews, Kane, Seabs and Keith, plus they expected to much of him at a young age, he's not a franchise player. I can see why a lot of people are frustrated but he has shown some high end talent in his brief time in Chicago, he had a nice goal his first game and he scored some goals in close with not much room and bad angles. Plus not many players can skate just as faster or faster when they have the puck, he can, and he has good speed and agility. The problem is he tends to over think, pass when he should've shot or vice versa, or holding the puck to long. But back to Debrincat lol I've wanted him and Kane together since the Cats first camp were him and Kane were shown joking around, they still talk a lot on the bench so put them together, Strome or Dach can center them. Yeah they're small wingers but we've seen that the Cat is tough and won't back down from physical play. I don't mind that compared to JC lines but would rather have saad their with strome , leave T&K and Kub together, then make a good third line with dach nylander and whoever |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on May 27, 2020 15:37:00 GMT -6
Dcat will be just fine, he had to endure the loss of his centermen that he had built chemistry with the past season, he has to endure the stupidity of a useless coach who simply looks lost behind the bench, he had to endure a fresh rookie in Dach at times, he had to endure a useless PP. The kid has a tremendous skillset, a nice shot, can be very dangerous if complemented with the right players. This situation like many around the team are based on poor coaching and a bad GM not bringing in the right talent on this team for players like the Cat to succeed.
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