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Post by hsbob on Apr 15, 2023 12:08:16 GMT -6
I'll only go by the things that have been said publicly by both sides....... Dorian said "no chance" as far as trading D-Cat at the TDL.... www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2576394Nothing's changed since,he still plans on qualifying and negotiating a deal. It's hard to believe someone who covers the team is surprised there's no deal yet since the player said publicly he wouldn't negotiate during the season that ended five days ago. |
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Post by phill9 on Apr 15, 2023 12:50:29 GMT -6
Thinking after a full season in Ottawa, it might be time to relocate this to the NHL thread
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Post by mvr on Apr 15, 2023 13:29:30 GMT -6
Considering where the Senators are in their rebuild, I would certainly attempt to keep the player - without question. I would even overpay a bit (say $8 M/year and go max term).
But as you know, the ball is in Debrincat's court. My feeling all along is that Debrincat intends to take the one year deal and then go UFA (unless blown away with a contract offer he can't refuse). The huge cap hit for this year and next makes it very challenging to move the player or get him signed long term.
Bowman was stupid to backload the contract. I like the player. He is a great talent, but he is a luxury for a rebuilding team. Garriough's article does not surprise me. I felt this exact scenario would play out here (which is why I wanted him traded last year).
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 15, 2023 13:36:45 GMT -6
I really like how Cat has done everything putting himself in a position to play where you want to play at the age of 26. Thats how you play the game.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 2, 2023 11:58:09 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jul 2, 2023 16:30:37 GMT -6
The sad realization is here that due to the current state that Canada is in ( taxes, social issues etc). Not many want to play in Canada. Plus the crazy media and no place to hide. I don’t see it going well for Canadian teams for another half century. Pretty sad actually!!!
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Post by mvr on Jul 3, 2023 4:16:59 GMT -6
Without getting too political here.....
What Big T says above is very true for young hockey celebrities making big dollars. The Canadian NHL teams do have trouble attracting and maintaining talent (especially American-born players).
Most non-athletes, however, do not make that kind of money. The press does not bother us.
Living in the "current state" of Canada (even Ottawa) for the majority of us is actually more than ok. Every place has issues. I would not trade living here for anywhere else.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 3, 2023 8:46:37 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jul 3, 2023 9:25:04 GMT -6
Without getting too political here..... What Big T says above is very true for young hockey celebrities making big dollars. The Canadian NHL teams do have trouble attracting and maintaining talent (especially American-born players). Most non-athletes, however, do not make that kind of money. The press does not bother us. Living in the "current state" of Canada (even Ottawa) for the majority of us is actually more than ok. Every place has issues. I would not trade living here for anywhere else. I will admit, due to the political climate here. I’m embarrassed to be Canadian. But that’s as far as I’ll take that here. People who make any good in their financial lives are punished severely. Why would an NHL player making 6 million per year only want to have 2.6million of that? They have taxes (53% after 250k). Agent fees 3-5%. Escrow 13% (but escrow will be coming down a lot larger this year so that’s not the most fair for this argument). In Florida, a player will pay at most 37% taxes. And 3-5% agent fees. Not state tax to run up the 37 to 40+. So that same 6 million dollar guy will now have 500k more. Add that up over say a 6 year contract. That’s 3 million more over 6 years. Why would some one financially want to play in Canada? Now for Austin Mathews, I still find it hard to believe that he’ll want to stay and more than likely lose 15% over his career? I’m not sure he actually signs a deal there. We’ll see. Maybe he’s loyal. But I wouldn’t blame him for that. Also, California is a beautiful place to live. But their tax problem is also bad. However, would you rather live in Winnipeg or LA? I’d bet most would say LA. It’s very concerning for Canadian teams. Im gonna say McDavid and Draisaitl may be on their last laps there. Draisaitl will command 13 million and McDavid is 14 million. Just not feasible. And do they even want to tough out another Alberta winter? I’m gonna say no!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 9, 2023 12:14:27 GMT -6
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jul 9, 2023 13:27:14 GMT -6
At this point I'd just like the DeBrincat trade would get done already - tired of it being at the top of hockey headlines. Karlsson and Nylander too. |
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Post by phill9 on Jul 9, 2023 18:53:04 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 9, 2023 19:05:36 GMT -6
it was near the bottom of page 1 until a few posts ago. i see where you're coming from, but it will find it's way there again soon enough and likely be on page 2 with fleury, crow, shaw and hammer by the start of the season . |
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Post by BigT on Jul 9, 2023 19:14:50 GMT -6
At 7.875. What the hell were the Sens offering? And a 4 year deal……. Again.
This pretty much screams he didn’t want to be there. Now the Sens are said to be going after Tarasenko. We’ll see what happens.
Not sure what Dcats camp was thinking. I’m pretty sure he could a go 8 million on an 8 year deal. Not sure he strikes it big again. I think he missed the money boat here. His agents should be shitcanned!!!
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jul 9, 2023 19:21:06 GMT -6
I'm happy it's over. Now get the Karlsson trade completed and we can all resume normal activities.
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Post by vadarx on Jul 9, 2023 19:49:04 GMT -6
shocked he is in detroit.
shocked.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 9, 2023 20:33:26 GMT -6
I said from day one he would end up with the Wings.
Home State boy returns.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 10, 2023 9:00:38 GMT -6
At 7.875. What the hell were the Sens offering? And a 4 year deal……. Again. This pretty much screams he didn’t want to be there. Now the Sens are said to be going after Tarasenko. We’ll see what happens. Not sure what Dcats camp was thinking. I’m pretty sure he could a go 8 million on an 8 year deal. Not sure he strikes it big again. I think he missed the money boat here. His agents should be shitcanned!!! I'm not sure what either side was thinking,what if D-Cat doesn't have a down year playing with a healthy Norris? The Sens couldn't have afforded him then and he definitely doesn't sign for that coming off three stellar years in a row,so trading him would have been more difficult too. I now believe Dorian's claim that the player didn't want to re-sign there,they would have had to have offered at least that and possibly with max term. D-Cat's agent was obviously full of shit when he said they were testing the UFA market unless somebody offered a BIG deal. Detroit had to be far and away his preferred destination to sign that contract. I agree T,next summer was going to be his ONE chance to get that max deal and a rising cap to match and his agent said so,he had the WANT Detroit! Gotta hand it to Stevie Y though,he gets the player at a value and he gives up his choice of two 1st's(their's or Boston's),Kubalik,a 21yro D prospect who spent last year in the ECHL and 4th. |
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Post by Tater on Jul 10, 2023 10:15:08 GMT -6
I wonder if Kane will be joining him there.
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Post by BigT on Jul 10, 2023 10:17:21 GMT -6
At 7.875. What the hell were the Sens offering? And a 4 year deal……. Again. This pretty much screams he didn’t want to be there. Now the Sens are said to be going after Tarasenko. We’ll see what happens. Not sure what Dcats camp was thinking. I’m pretty sure he could a go 8 million on an 8 year deal. Not sure he strikes it big again. I think he missed the money boat here. His agents should be shitcanned!!! I'm not sure what either side was thinking,what if D-Cat doesn't have a down year playing with a healthy Norris? The Sens couldn't have afforded him then and he definitely doesn't sign for that coming off three stellar years in a row,so trading him would have been more difficult too. I now believe Dorian's claim that the player didn't want to re-sign there,they would have had to have offered at least that and possibly with max term. D-Cat's agent was obviously full of shit when he said they were testing the UFA market unless somebody offered a BIG deal. Detroit had to be far and away his preferred destination to sign that contract. I agree T,next summer was going to be his ONE chance to get that max deal and a rising cap to match and his agent said so,he had the WANT Detroit! Gotta hand it to Stevie Y though,he gets the player at a value and he gives up his choice of two 1st's(their's or Boston's),Kubalik,a 21yro D prospect who spent last year in the ECHL and 4th. I’m not saying the kid won’t be ok financially the rest of the way. But another 4 year deal takes him to 30. I don’t know if he gets the biggest ticket at that point. Not many teams sign 30 year old UFAs to 7 year deals. And I’ve heard a lot of rumblings that the new CBA will have 5 year max deals. So he really must of wanted that. And or he eventually wants to go to Florida and he took a 4 year deal to buy some time to eventually get there? I don’t know what happened. But it seems pretty messed up from what they said recently!!! |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 10, 2023 11:32:34 GMT -6
I wonder if Kane will be joining him there. And I wonder if the Chicago fans would give him the same treatment that Chellios got when he signed with Detroit. The thought of Kane getting booed when Detroit was in town just makes me sad. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jul 10, 2023 11:42:33 GMT -6
I wonder if Kane will be joining him there. And I wonder if the Chicago fans would give him the same treatment that Chellios got when he signed with Detroit. The thought of Kane getting booed when Detroit was in town just makes me sad. I seriously doubt that Kane would be booed - 3 cups are not easily-forgotten. Chelios was here for years where the team fell short of expectations a couple/few times and he was known to be prickish toward the end about management such that he came off a bit selfish (from my recollection) even when doing so was in opposition to $-Bill. Debrincat has already been honored by the team when he returned with Ottawa - if that changes and he is now booed, I'd say that that is akin to Bettman always getting booed by all NHL fans as per tradition. I suspect that Chicago fans would show greater respect to these 2 former Hawks than we did with Chelly - I wore his jersey for years and was pissed how he left. Roenick, too, to some degree. Neither Kane nor Alex were ever seemingly selfish pricks in press gatherings - why would they, Bowman bestowed great contracts on them unlike the treatment Chelly/Roenick/Belfour received. JMO. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 10, 2023 13:26:35 GMT -6
I wonder if Kane will be joining him there. Anything is possible but after reading how excited Alex is to be close to his family and play for the team he idolized growing up, I think it could give Kane that much more reason to go to Buffalo. He’s got money, won 3 Cups, etc. so maybe time to be near family and join a team that should be improving. 3 years at $4 - 5mm per . . . |
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 10, 2023 19:31:33 GMT -6
At 7.875. What the hell were the Sens offering? And a 4 year deal……. Again. This pretty much screams he didn’t want to be there. Now the Sens are said to be going after Tarasenko. We’ll see what happens. Not sure what Dcats camp was thinking. I’m pretty sure he could a go 8 million on an 8 year deal. Not sure he strikes it big again. I think he missed the money boat here. His agents should be shitcanned!!! Read somewhere that Anaheim and NY isles were offering 8yrs, not sure of the money, but Dcat wanted to be in Detroit |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 10, 2023 20:08:32 GMT -6
At 7.875. What the hell were the Sens offering? And a 4 year deal……. Again. This pretty much screams he didn’t want to be there. Now the Sens are said to be going after Tarasenko. We’ll see what happens. Not sure what Dcats camp was thinking. I’m pretty sure he could a go 8 million on an 8 year deal. Not sure he strikes it big again. I think he missed the money boat here. His agents should be shitcanned!!! Read somewhere that Anaheim and NY isles were offering 8yrs, not sure of the money, but Dcat wanted to be in Detroit lots of chatter out there about how d-cat screwed himself on his latest contract. little doubt he could have done better somewhere else but he's being paid $31.5 million to play hockey for his hometown team for 4 years. i'm not going to feel too bad for him because you can't put a value on working where you want to work. i think he'll be fine money wise. his wife's a michigan born gal so there's that as well. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 11, 2023 0:01:40 GMT -6
Read somewhere that Anaheim and NY isles were offering 8yrs, not sure of the money, but Dcat wanted to be in Detroit lots of chatter out there about how d-cat screwed himself on his latest contract. little doubt he could have done better somewhere else but he's being paid $31.5 million to play hockey for his hometown team for 4 years. i'm not going to feel too bad for him because you can't put a value on working where you want to work. i think he'll be fine money wise. his wife's a michigan born gal so there's that as well. I can say this. While I’m not a natural Michigander. I have a lot of family over there. I visit there a lot. Like once every week or two. Farmington Hills is a very nice area where Dcat is from. I golf a lot at Farmington Hills golf club. I have a buddy that lives about 10’mins from there. So what I know the area well. I don’t blame him for wanting to live in metro Detroit. It is quite awesome there. I know many think of Detroit as a shithole with not much to offer. But the Farmington Hills/Novi/Plymouth/Northville/canton/Ypsilanti/Ann Arbour (Michigan Wolverines). That whole area is unreal. My best friend works in Northville i meet him there for lunch many times. Metro Detroit is amazing. Very calm and almost Canadian. My dads cousin lives in a mansion on Beech Daly road on the boarder of Farmington Hills and Southfield. Gorgeous area. What know the area well. I know maybe because I understand the area and can understand why Dcat would want to come back here. But it really is a great place to live and work. I’m going this weekend to see a buddy who owns an awesome liquor store in Bloomfield. Very very rich area. I believe Ryan Kesler lives in Bloomfield. One of the richest areas in USA. Anyways. I fully understand his rationale. It seems a nice area. My only complaint for living in this part? Is we get grey sky’s from Nov 20 till March or 20. Then we get awesome weather. But it’s pretty shitty in the winter. Rainy, damp, cold. Maybe 25 to 35F. And not much sun in that 3-4 month period. Being that rich in Detroit is gonna be a lot of fun for him!!! |
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 11, 2023 6:27:35 GMT -6
Read somewhere that Anaheim and NY isles were offering 8yrs, not sure of the money, but Dcat wanted to be in Detroit lots of chatter out there about how d-cat screwed himself on his latest contract. little doubt he could have done better somewhere else but he's being paid $31.5 million to play hockey for his hometown team for 4 years. i'm not going to feel too bad for him because you can't put a value on working where you want to work. i think he'll be fine money wise. his wife's a michigan born gal so there's that as well. Apparently, Isles offer was Pageau, Wahlstrom and a 1st rounder. Plus 8yr extension for Dcat |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 6, 2024 20:50:32 GMT -6
And I wonder if the Chicago fans would give him the same treatment that Chellios got when he signed with Detroit. The thought of Kane getting booed when Detroit was in town just makes me sad. I seriously doubt that Kane would be booed - 3 cups are not easily-forgotten. Chelios was here for years where the team fell short of expectations a couple/few times and he was known to be prickish toward the end about management such that he came off a bit selfish (from my recollection) even when doing so was in opposition to $-Bill. Debrincat has already been honored by the team when he returned with Ottawa - if that changes and he is now booed, I'd say that that is akin to Bettman always getting booed by all NHL fans as per tradition. I suspect that Chicago fans would show greater respect to these 2 former Hawks than we did with Chelly - I wore his jersey for years and was pissed how he left. Roenick, too, to some degree. Neither Kane nor Alex were ever seemingly selfish pricks in press gatherings - why would they, Bowman bestowed great contracts on them unlike the treatment Chelly/Roenick/Belfour received. JMO. You Sir are a prophet! |
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