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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 10, 2022 18:12:09 GMT -6
Thanks for the input 27,I know you're up on your UND hockey but you disagreed with me saying he had two good years and then said "he was something to behold"....LOL! You also said "when he played" before it to be fair. I didn't realize he missed as many games due to injury,I did see the low of amount games played but I thought it had to do with Covid. Sounds like he could be a #1 if he stays healthy.....would you go that far? #1 for sure. He was like Bobby Orr when he was healthy. He did a lot of end to end rushes that resulted in goals (either by him or a team mate that he set up. Players like him don't come along very often. And he is from MONTANA, of all places! Not exactly a hockey hotbed. According to this site there's only been one nhler from big sky country and that's one Bill Lindsay from South Fork. Pretty amazing...so much ice and definitely room for a few rinks. Hell...according to the site Haiti, Lebanon, Taiwan and Paraguay have just as many. At least Montana has more players than 8 other states. www.hockey-reference.com/friv/birthplaces.cgi |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 10, 2022 19:15:54 GMT -6
Thanks for the input 27,I know you're up on your UND hockey but you disagreed with me saying he had two good years and then said "he was something to behold"....LOL! You also said "when he played" before it to be fair. I didn't realize he missed as many games due to injury,I did see the low of amount games played but I thought it had to do with Covid. Sounds like he could be a #1 if he stays healthy.....would you go that far? #1 for sure. He was like Bobby Orr when he was healthy. He did a lot of end to end rushes that resulted in goals (either by him or a team mate that he set up. Players like him don't come along very often. And he is from MONTANA, of all places! Well Montana is a hotbed for Pygmy Ponies and dental floss bushes. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 10, 2022 19:30:37 GMT -6
#1 for sure. He was like Bobby Orr when he was healthy. He did a lot of end to end rushes that resulted in goals (either by him or a team mate that he set up. Players like him don't come along very often. And he is from MONTANA, of all places! Well Montana is a hotbed for Pygmy Ponies and dental floss bushes. Pretty soon I'll have me a crop. Movin' to Montana soon...gonna be a mental toss flycoon. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 11, 2022 8:26:49 GMT -6
my last thoughts on the Cat... it was damn fun watching him play and grow the last 5 seasons and I hope he does well going forward... but I do not look forward to him signing in detroit in a couple years....
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 11, 2022 8:33:09 GMT -6
my last thoughts on the Cat... it was damn fun watching him play and grow the last 5 seasons and I hope he does well going forward... but I do not look forward to him signing in detroit in a couple years.... Who knows? Perhaps he will sign with the Blackhawks in a couple of years. |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 11, 2022 8:47:03 GMT -6
my last thoughts on the Cat... it was damn fun watching him play and grow the last 5 seasons and I hope he does well going forward... but I do not look forward to him signing in detroit in a couple years.... Probably will go down as the best pick for Bowman, although Saad did help win 2 cups. Best of luck to the Cat. |
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Post by hawks27 on Jul 11, 2022 18:42:37 GMT -6
#1 for sure. He was like Bobby Orr when he was healthy. He did a lot of end to end rushes that resulted in goals (either by him or a team mate that he set up. Players like him don't come along very often. And he is from MONTANA, of all places! Not exactly a hockey hotbed. According to this site there's only been one nhler from big sky country and that's one Bill Lindsay from South Fork. Pretty amazing...so much ice and definitely room for a few rinks. Hell...according to the site Haiti, Lebanon, Taiwan and Paraguay have just as many. At least Montana has more players than 8 other states. www.hockey-reference.com/friv/birthplaces.cgiUp until Sanderson's time at UND, there had been only one player from Montana to play for UND. His name was Terry Casey. He was an outstanding forward back in the 1960's (I was in high school then). The story on Casey was that he began skating as a figure skater and got into hockey (I believe it was in Great Falls, Montana). I saw him play, and he was very fast and handled the puck very well. The WCHA (the top college hockey conference at that time) was made up of primarily Canadians, except for the Minnesota Gophers, who prided themselves on having their roster be mostly players from Minnesota. UND probably had 85% of their roster as Canadians. Sadly, Terry Casey's life ended tragically in a car accident. His is one of only two jersey numbers to be retired (#12) at UND. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 11, 2022 21:07:04 GMT -6
my last thoughts on the Cat... it was damn fun watching him play and grow the last 5 seasons and I hope he does well going forward... but I do not look forward to him signing in detroit in a couple years.... He’d look real good for them. The wings will be good soon too. I still think they’re gonna have to refer to free agency at some point to help bolster their lineup. They have 3-4 really good player. A bunch of role players. But they need a few stars. Not sure Larkin, Bertuzzi Valeno are the studs to get over the hump. Good players no doubt. But they need a wee bit more than Seider and Raymond. I’m sure Yzerman has something up his sleeve. And it’s not an arm!!! |
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Post by steamer on Jul 12, 2022 9:21:01 GMT -6
my last thoughts on the Cat... it was damn fun watching him play and grow the last 5 seasons and I hope he does well going forward... but I do not look forward to him signing in detroit in a couple years.... Not far fetched at all. Wings are a couple years ahead of the Hawks and he could be a key piece for them - unfortunately! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 17, 2022 5:31:32 GMT -6
looks like the cat got his #12 in ottawa.
there was a 2nd year guy shane pinto wearing 12, looks like he gave it up for the new guy. nice of him.
watching him pull his new sweater over his head at the end definitely makes d-cat's trade sink in.
that ottawa jersey is pretty nice actually.
i hope he scores a lot of goals in it...even against us for the next 4 to 5 years. : )
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 17, 2022 5:42:59 GMT -6
looks like the cat got his #12 in ottawa. there was a 2nd year guy shane pinto wearing 12, looks like he gave it up for the new guy. nice of him. watching him pull his new sweater over his head at the end definitely makes d-cat's trade sink in. that ottawa jersey is pretty nice actually. i hope he scores a lot of goals in it...even against us for the next 4 to 5 years. : ) That's tough to watch but he's still in red, white, and black. Hope nothing but the best for him. |
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Jul 17, 2022 9:15:30 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jul 17, 2022 9:15:30 GMT -6
looks like the cat got his #12 in ottawa. there was a 2nd year guy shane pinto wearing 12, looks like he gave it up for the new guy. nice of him. watching him pull his new sweater over his head at the end definitely makes d-cat's trade sink in. that ottawa jersey is pretty nice actually. i hope he scores a lot of goals in it...even against us for the next 4 to 5 years. : ) I hope he spends the rest of his career there, personally. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 17, 2022 9:35:27 GMT -6
I regret that he has moved on and wish him all the best there. He did all he was asked and more here in Chicago.
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Post by mvr on Jul 23, 2022 7:16:02 GMT -6
The strong return Calgary just received for Mathew Tkachuk demonstrates clearly how hamstrung Davidson was by Debrincat and his agent.
Tkachuk (like Seth Jones last year) wanted out, and he allowed his agent to negotiate in advance. Florida acquired a player knowing they had him locked up for the next eight years.
On the other hand, Debrincat's agent was not involved in the trade negotiations. Of course, it is within the player's right to allow the situation to play out the way it did. The player does not have to cooperate in trade discussions.
My guess is that Debrincat's position restricted Davidson's possible trade partners which collapsed the player's trade value. It also motivated Davidson to send Debrincat to Ottawa rather than some more comfortable, desirable spot.
I have lived in Ottawa. It is a beautiful city in the summer. But it is cold and miserable in the winter, and it is far away from anything else. Debrincat is not going to win a cup in Ottawa. He is there for one year, and maybe two.
Is Debrincat being punished for not cooperating? My guess is that Ottawa was very low on his favoured landing spots (likely in the bottom three or four).
Perhaps there were slightly better offers out there, and Davidson decided to stick it to Debrincat for not cooperating. If so, the general manager is sending a message, and it is a good one.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 23, 2022 8:03:01 GMT -6
There are lots of layers to this to me none make KD look good. KD stated he needed to have his socks nocked off at what point did KD go to Cats agent.?
Cat plays a year in Ottawa then gets moved and signs an extension and the Sens get nicely compensated.That could have been the hawks , you can’t lie to press and players then expect people to help you out. I also don’t need a GM whose ego takes over when making decisions. I believe this came into play with 77. KD stuck it to Jersey by moving 77 to Habs and them taking a winger lucky for K D Nazar fell. I believe KD is getting a rep as someone with no patience, message he is sending is he is in over his head. Does not look good for the 88 and 19 return, KD knew the limitations in moving Cat he also knew Cat wanted to stay is he expecting every player and GM to make this easy on him?
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Post by hsbob on Jul 23, 2022 8:33:35 GMT -6
The strong return Calgary just received for Mathew Tkachuk demonstrates clearly how hamstrung Davidson was by Debrincat and his agent. Tkachuk (like Seth Jones last year) wanted out, and he allowed his agent to negotiate in advance. Florida acquired a player knowing they had him locked up for the next eight years. On the other hand, Debrincat's agent was not involved in the trade negotiations. Of course, it is within the player's right to allow the situation to play out the way it did. The player does not have to cooperate in trade discussions. My guess is that Debrincat's position restricted Davidson's possible trade partners which collapsed the player's trade value. It also motivated Davidson to send Debrincat to Ottawa rather than some more comfortable, desirable spot. I have lived in Ottawa. It is a beautiful city in the summer. But it is cold and miserable in the winter, and it is far away from anything else. Debrincat is not going to win a cup in Ottawa. He is there for one year, and maybe two. Is Debrincat being punished for not cooperating? My guess is that Ottawa was very low on his favoured landing spots (likely in the bottom three or four). Perhaps there were slightly better offers out there, and Davidson decided to stick it to Debrincat for not cooperating. If so, the general manager is sending a message, and it is a good one.
So much for thanks for being the best Hawks player since Patrick Kane,never missing a game to injury in five seasons and good luck! LOL! That Panther's trade is pure PANIC on the part of Zito,Tkachuk's 5 years younger but Hubberdeau's the better player.....Weegar.....a 1st.....and a MAX re-do for a guy who goes missing in the PO's? 27gms 7gls 8asts -11. You're guessing who was and wasn't involved in the trade negotiations and what the players position was........I won't. Trading the kid hasn't seemed to satisfy you,you'r running with he was punished and that's good? I believe he's in Ottawa because it brought the top five pick the new GM told the world he HAD to have and we'll see how it works out for the young all-star and his new team. We'll also see if the Sens return to relevance before D-Cat's last team,they're loaded with talented,young forwards,added a good vet center and GT,have a few more kids ready,one a possible #1 D-man and will get a top 4 D-man before summer's over........more than likely Chychrun. If paying 24yro winger Mathew Tkachuk, 431gms 152gls 382pts,9.5MX8 plus Hubby,Weegar and a 1st what's 24yro winger Alex DeBrincat, 368gms 160gls 307pts next deal worth? And remember.....they don't get paid by the pound! As far as Strome,if a much better Caps team that'll struggle to make the cap figures he's worth 3.5M on the 2nd day of free agency,why wouldn't a team with a heap of space qualify him for 3.6M for a year........especially to center Kane if he stays and try to get something for him at the TDL......if not......no big deal. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 23, 2022 8:46:05 GMT -6
I really don’t think KD was sticking it to D-cat. The only way he gets a high first rounder is to trade him to an Ottawa. The other 3 players of value who could theoretically fetch a first rounder all have strings attached making trades difficult. I still am unsure why D-cat really had to go at 24 years old but thanks to KD’s predecessor he was the only “movable” guy who could fetch anything of substance. BTW I am positive on the picks KD made in the draft.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 23, 2022 8:49:02 GMT -6
There are lots of layers to this to me none make KD look good. KD stated he needed to have his socks nocked off at what point did KD go to Cats agent.? Cat plays a year in Ottawa then gets moved and signs an extension and the Sens get nicely compensated.That could have been the hawks , you can’t lie to press and players then expect people to help you out. I also don’t need a GM whose ego takes over when making decisions. I believe this came into play with 77. KD stuck it to Jersey by moving 77 to Habs and them taking a winger lucky for K D Nazar fell. I believe KD is getting a rep as someone with no patience, message he is sending is he is in over his head. Does not look good for the 88 and 19 return, KD knew the limitations in moving Cat he also knew Cat wanted to stay is he expecting every player and GM to make this easy on him? Traded Hagel.MAF,D-Cat and Dach,all desirable pieces or low hanging fruit as some call it,the returns have been decent to very good by most accounts. Guess Kubalik,15 goals in a down year,Stome, 22 goals and vet D-man deHAAN had no value at the TDL. The trades to come will define the new GM as much as his first four have. |
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Jul 23, 2022 9:06:53 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jul 23, 2022 9:06:53 GMT -6
The strong return Calgary just received for Mathew Tkachuk demonstrates clearly how hamstrung Davidson was by Debrincat and his agent. Tkachuk (like Seth Jones last year) wanted out, and he allowed his agent to negotiate in advance. Florida acquired a player knowing they had him locked up for the next eight years. On the other hand, Debrincat's agent was not involved in the trade negotiations. Of course, it is within the player's right to allow the situation to play out the way it did. The player does not have to cooperate in trade discussions. My guess is that Debrincat's position restricted Davidson's possible trade partners which collapsed the player's trade value. It also motivated Davidson to send Debrincat to Ottawa rather than some more comfortable, desirable spot. I have lived in Ottawa. It is a beautiful city in the summer. But it is cold and miserable in the winter, and it is far away from anything else. Debrincat is not going to win a cup in Ottawa. He is there for one year, and maybe two. Is Debrincat being punished for not cooperating? My guess is that Ottawa was very low on his favoured landing spots (likely in the bottom three or four). Perhaps there were slightly better offers out there, and Davidson decided to stick it to Debrincat for not cooperating. If so, the general manager is sending a message, and it is a good one. This is no knock on Dcat. But he’s just not Tkachuk. 104 points. Tough, a pest he’s does everything. 42 goals to boot. I don’t see a comparison there. If the last idiot GM didn’t dick around, Dcat may have been kept at 7.5 maybe 8. Or better yet, a stronger trade value. But to be forced to give him 9 minimum is just idiotic. Maybe NJ pulls the trigger and gives the Hawks the 2nd pick if he only had to be qualified at 6.4 and negotiate from there. If Tkachuk just signed for 9.5. I see Dcat at least 1 million below that. The contract is as a non starter for trade negotiations. It’s unfair to any one who was taking over as GM. They were handed the work of a pure brat and shithead. What kind of accountant does that? This is why I feel KD will get rid of just about every contract “he who shall not be named” had given out. This team is sooooo lucky to scratch out 3 Cups. Time to be a bit more frugal!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 23, 2022 9:14:23 GMT -6
The strong return Calgary just received for Mathew Tkachuk demonstrates clearly how hamstrung Davidson was by Debrincat and his agent. Tkachuk (like Seth Jones last year) wanted out, and he allowed his agent to negotiate in advance. Florida acquired a player knowing they had him locked up for the next eight years. On the other hand, Debrincat's agent was not involved in the trade negotiations. Of course, it is within the player's right to allow the situation to play out the way it did. The player does not have to cooperate in trade discussions. My guess is that Debrincat's position restricted Davidson's possible trade partners which collapsed the player's trade value. It also motivated Davidson to send Debrincat to Ottawa rather than some more comfortable, desirable spot. I have lived in Ottawa. It is a beautiful city in the summer. But it is cold and miserable in the winter, and it is far away from anything else. Debrincat is not going to win a cup in Ottawa. He is there for one year, and maybe two. Is Debrincat being punished for not cooperating? My guess is that Ottawa was very low on his favoured landing spots (likely in the bottom three or four). Perhaps there were slightly better offers out there, and Davidson decided to stick it to Debrincat for not cooperating. If so, the general manager is sending a message, and it is a good one. Strong return for maybe 1yr but they traded a 24yr old powerforward for a 29yr old and 28yr old who are UFAs after next season and a late 1st. And how is it "sticking" it to Debrincat when he played in the OHL near Ottawa? Plus he'll be playing with some talented young players. Getting Korchinski and Ludwinski is much better for the long run than getting 2 guys in their late 20's. |
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Post by mvr on Jul 23, 2022 11:00:17 GMT -6
The strong return Calgary just received for Mathew Tkachuk demonstrates clearly how hamstrung Davidson was by Debrincat and his agent. Tkachuk (like Seth Jones last year) wanted out, and he allowed his agent to negotiate in advance. Florida acquired a player knowing they had him locked up for the next eight years. On the other hand, Debrincat's agent was not involved in the trade negotiations. Of course, it is within the player's right to allow the situation to play out the way it did. The player does not have to cooperate in trade discussions. My guess is that Debrincat's position restricted Davidson's possible trade partners which collapsed the player's trade value. It also motivated Davidson to send Debrincat to Ottawa rather than some more comfortable, desirable spot. I have lived in Ottawa. It is a beautiful city in the summer. But it is cold and miserable in the winter, and it is far away from anything else. Debrincat is not going to win a cup in Ottawa. He is there for one year, and maybe two. Is Debrincat being punished for not cooperating? My guess is that Ottawa was very low on his favoured landing spots (likely in the bottom three or four). Perhaps there were slightly better offers out there, and Davidson decided to stick it to Debrincat for not cooperating. If so, the general manager is sending a message, and it is a good one. Strong return? Maybe for 1yr but they traded a 24yr old powerforward for a 29yr old and 28yr old who are UFAs after next season and a late 1st. And how is it "sticking" it to Debrincat when he played in the OHL near Ottawa? Plus he'll be playing with some talented young players. Getting Korchinski and Ludwinski is much better for the long run than getting 2 guys in their late 20's. Erie, Pennsylvania to Ottawa, Ontario is about an 8.5 to 9 hour drive (in summer conditions). You have to cross an international border. Ottawa has an international airport, but it is small and out of the way, and there are limited destinations available without transferring through Montreal or Toronto. The weather can dip well below -40 C with the wind chill, so biting cold that the face freezes a few minutes after leaving the home. Cars need to be plugged in during the winter, or they won't start. Will Debrincat settle in and buy a house in Ottawa? Who knows, but my bet is not a chance. He is there at most two years, and likely less. I wonder how his young wife feels about this move. Will they rent a condo in Kanata or stay in a hotel downtown? Will she ever leave the building other than on game day? I believe both players Calgary received yesterday will fetch multiple high picks at next year's deadline. This is the start of a full tear down there. If we start to assess the two Davidson trades made together, the return is more palatable. Debrincat ended up fetching the seventh pick overall plus the late first pick from Toronto (acquired for that second round pick). Davidson needed a fill-in goalie, and Mzarak was as good as any available for the short term. The third rounder is a lottery pick. Not a great haul, but not terrible either. My guess is that the commentators anticipating deals with New Jersey and others likely did not recognize that Dach would have been part of those packages. If you add the 13th pick to the Ottawa/Toronto package, we are getting close to what was being reported. New Jersey's general manager stated on draft day that a trade involving that second overall pick was "close." |
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Post by mvr on Jul 23, 2022 11:51:27 GMT -6
Debrincat has put on a brave face - a credit to the player and his professionalism.
But there is no way - at least to my mind - he and his wife are happy being traded to Ottawa. This is not the outcome they wished for.
The majority of American players drafted or traded to small-market Canadian teams leave as UFAs the first opportunity they can. They object to the higher taxes, harsher weather, and the extended travel.
Gaudreau and Tkachuk are not the exceptions. Neither will Debrincat.
Does he feel like Davidson stuck it to him by sending him packing to the equivalent of the NHL's Siberia? Is he bitter? Who knows.
I believe it is possible and more than likely. It is also conceivable that the remaining players now will oblige the General Manager if Davidson comes calling about trade scenarios.
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Jul 23, 2022 13:08:08 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 23, 2022 13:08:08 GMT -6
Strong return? Maybe for 1yr but they traded a 24yr old powerforward for a 29yr old and 28yr old who are UFAs after next season and a late 1st. And how is it "sticking" it to Debrincat when he played in the OHL near Ottawa? Plus he'll be playing with some talented young players. Getting Korchinski and Ludwinski is much better for the long run than getting 2 guys in their late 20's. Erie, Pennsylvania to Ottawa, Ontario is about an 8.5 to 9 hour drive (in summer conditions). You have to cross an international border. Ottawa has an international airport, but it is small and out of the way, and there are limited destinations available without transferring through Montreal or Toronto. The weather can dip well below -40 C with the wind chill, so biting cold that the face freezes a few minutes after leaving the home. Cars need to be plugged in during the winter, or they won't start. Will Debrincat settle in and buy a house in Ottawa? Who knows, but my bet is not a chance. He is there at most two years, and likely less. I wonder how his young wife feels about this move. Will they rent a condo in Kanata or stay in a hotel downtown? Will she ever leave the building other than on game day? I believe both players Calgary received yesterday will fetch multiple high picks at next year's deadline. This is the start of a full tear down there. If we start to assess the two Davidson trades made together, the return is more palatable. Debrincat ended up fetching the seventh pick overall plus the late first pick from Toronto (acquired for that second round pick). Davidson needed a fill-in goalie, and Mzarak was as good as any available for the short term. The third rounder is a lottery pick. Not a great haul, but not terrible either. My guess is that the commentators anticipating deals with New Jersey and others likely did not recognize that Dach would have been part of those packages. If you add the 13th pick to the Ottawa/Toronto package, we are getting close to what was being reported. New Jersey's general manager stated on draft day that a trade involving that second overall pick was "close." For some reason I thought Erie was in Ontario, my mistake, that's not that close. But still, Ottawa is a nice place to live, much better than Winnipeg or Edmonton. And the Hawks never used the second they got in the Debrincat trade to get Rinzel in the late first with Mrazek. That was the 38th pick they already owned, they got the 39th in the Debrincat trade and took Ludwinski. |
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Jul 23, 2022 14:08:43 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jul 23, 2022 14:08:43 GMT -6
Erie Pensilvania is only a 6 hour drive to Ottawa. 6.5 on a bad day. Regardless. Dcat is from Michigan. He’s no stranger to winter. Calgary and Edmonton and Winterpeg are awful for winter. Montreal, Ottawa, Boston, Toronta, Buffalo are all roughly the same type temperatures. I’m not sold that players don’t want to be there. Someone has to play there. If temperature was everything, the Coyotes would have had a few parades by now.
I only mentioned the winters in Calgary because Huberdeau is going from one extreme to the other. He may not want that. And Treliving is a dick from what I’ve heard.
If a GM sees one of his players in a bar or out. The unwritten rule is to go announce that you’re there and not spying on them. Treliving won’t do that. He’ll call his players into his office or have a meeting the next day and ask them why they were out and did they break curfew? There’s a guy that the team has that players call if they’re out past curfew. Like a buffer. I heard a couple players called and said they’d be late. Being honest. Treliving would make them a healthy scratch for a couple games. He literally booted Giordano, and the whole team was pissed. He’s not a players guy at all!!!
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Post by mvr on Jul 23, 2022 15:16:36 GMT -6
The length of the drive is all about timing (and of course where you start in Ottawa and where you finish in Erie).
The border crossing wait at Thousand Islands Bridge can be an hour-plus (or it can be nothing - depending on the day). You can sail through Buffalo and Syracuse, or there can be stop-and-go traffic.
Regardless, it is about 425-450 miles of driving (720 Km) depending on your route. I count on 50 mph/80 kph) with stops for gas and lunch.
Getting there in less than seven hours is pushing it. Erie is close to Michigan. Ottawa is not.
There is no comparison really between Toronto and Ottawa in terms of the weather. I have lived in both places (and Windsor as well). Ottawa is by far the coldest.
It is the second coldest capital city in the world.
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Post by mvr on Jul 23, 2022 15:23:44 GMT -6
Erie, Pennsylvania to Ottawa, Ontario is about an 8.5 to 9 hour drive (in summer conditions). You have to cross an international border. Ottawa has an international airport, but it is small and out of the way, and there are limited destinations available without transferring through Montreal or Toronto. The weather can dip well below -40 C with the wind chill, so biting cold that the face freezes a few minutes after leaving the home. Cars need to be plugged in during the winter, or they won't start. Will Debrincat settle in and buy a house in Ottawa? Who knows, but my bet is not a chance. He is there at most two years, and likely less. I wonder how his young wife feels about this move. Will they rent a condo in Kanata or stay in a hotel downtown? Will she ever leave the building other than on game day? I believe both players Calgary received yesterday will fetch multiple high picks at next year's deadline. This is the start of a full tear down there. If we start to assess the two Davidson trades made together, the return is more palatable. Debrincat ended up fetching the seventh pick overall plus the late first pick from Toronto (acquired for that second round pick). Davidson needed a fill-in goalie, and Mzarak was as good as any available for the short term. The third rounder is a lottery pick. Not a great haul, but not terrible either. My guess is that the commentators anticipating deals with New Jersey and others likely did not recognize that Dach would have been part of those packages. If you add the 13th pick to the Ottawa/Toronto package, we are getting close to what was being reported. New Jersey's general manager stated on draft day that a trade involving that second overall pick was "close." For some reason I thought Erie was in Ontario, my mistake, that's not that close. But still, Ottawa is a nice place to live, much better than Winnipeg or Edmonton. And the Hawks never used the second they got in the Debrincat trade to get Rinzel in the late first with Mrazek. That was the 38th pick they already owned, they got the 39th in the Debrincat trade and took Ludwinski. I believe Winnipeg and Edmonton face a similar problem. Players do not want to live there, especially those who did not grow up nearby. Edmonton is a destination right now only because of the talent assembled there through the draft. I strongly suspect when McDavid is done, Edmonton will face enormous troubles holding on to their talent. |
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Post by mvr on Jul 23, 2022 15:38:44 GMT -6
Driving one way to get from Ottawa to Farmington Hills MI is 493 miles crossing at Sarnia. There are a few direct flights, but not many. Most often you'd be looking at 5-plus hours minimum with a stopover in Toronto.
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Post by BigT on Jul 23, 2022 16:47:52 GMT -6
The length of the drive is all about timing (and of course where you start in Ottawa and where you finish in Erie). The border crossing wait at Thousand Islands Bridge can be an hour-plus (or it can be nothing - depending on the day). You can sail through Buffalo and Syracuse, or there can be stop-and-go traffic. Regardless, it is about 425-450 miles of driving (720 Km) depending on your route. I count on 50 mph/80 kph) with stops for gas and lunch. Getting there in less than seven hours is pushing it. Erie is close to Michigan. Ottawa is not. There is no comparison really between Toronto and Ottawa in terms of the weather. I have lived in both places (and Windsor as well). Ottawa is by far the coldest. It is the second coldest capital city in the world. I’ve lived in Windsor/Belle River my whole life. The weather is much much better down here compared to Toronto or Ottawa. But it’s Still winter. If anything, the weather here in Windsor is almost worse. The temps don’t go as low, not even close. But it’s grey and rainy and damp and gloomy for about 3-4 months. Where it may be colder in Ottawa or Montreal, but sunnier and more enlightened. Ottawa is 7th coldest capital in the world. www.worldatlas.com/amp/articles/the-coldest-capital-cities-in-the-world.html . Regardless. It’s not even close to as bad as Alberta or Manitoba. Not even close. We also have to realize that the players for the most part don’t care too much. They’re making millions upon millions of dollars for 6-8 months of hockey on average. It’s only going to be terribly cold for about 2-3 months of that. I don’t think it was a slap in the face to Dcat to send him to Ottawa. I really don’t. I think due to his contract, there weren’t many takers and Ottawas deal was the best. Maybe KD screwed up by not getting his agent involved to help seek a trade. Maybe he thought he had more value? I’m not sure. But if there was better, I believe he would have taken it!!! |
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Post by mvr on Jul 24, 2022 6:24:59 GMT -6
The numbers for "coldest cities" can be calculated in two ways, by yearly average or by winter temperatures. This is why you get the varying numbers.
Ottawa has hot and beautiful summers, and the Rideau Lakes system which surrounds the city is absolutely gorgeous. But of course hockey players do not stay for the summer. They live there during the winter.
Winnipeg and Edmonton have those deep cold temperatures. But the weather is dryer. The weather for all three of these cities is an issue.
Windsor is the warmest city in Ontario, if not the entire country (other than southern British Columbia). I did not even wear a winter jacket while touring the bars off Ouelette Avenue and eating ribs at the Tunnel BBQ.
There is a difference.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 24, 2022 6:33:29 GMT -6
do i need to open an "average north american nhl cities winter and summer temperatures/wind chill/humidity thread" ?
: D
just kidding...carry on.
we need posts here no matter what topic. : )
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