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Post by mvr on Jul 27, 2022 19:47:49 GMT -6
But if other teams felt the contract good value, would they not have offered the Hawks a better package to acquire the player?
The best deal Davidson could find was a first round pick (and some scraps) in what was considered a historically bad draft. This offer came from a non-contender whose long-term intentions for this player are presently quite ambiguous. It could be Debrincat is back on the market February next year (when the trade return might be more favourable).
Again I ask you, do you think Davidson is in over his head? Surely better deals must have been out there for the "young 24-year-old superstar"? Is this really the full value market for this type of player?
Or was the $9 M contract the issue for many (if not most) teams ... like is was for me?
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Post by nighbor on Jul 28, 2022 0:16:55 GMT -6
But if other teams felt the contract good value, would they not have offered the Hawks a better package to acquire the player? The best deal Davidson could find was a first round pick (and some scraps) in what was considered a historically bad draft. This offer came from a non-contender whose long-term intentions for this player are presently quite ambiguous. It could be Debrincat is back on the market February next year (when the trade return might be more favourable). Again I ask you, do you think Davidson is in over his head? Surely better deals must have been out there for the "young 24-year-old superstar"? Is this really the full value market for this type of player? Or was the $9 M contract the issue for many (if not most) teams ... like is was for me? KD is not over his head. As a first time GM he is not trying to f the team over by f'n himself. No term is why the offers were underwhelming. Two or three years remaining and the offers would have come pouring in. The rebuild was long overdue but bad timing when it came to trading Dcat but now was the right time as too much time was already wasted. You must have a low opinion of the GM profession if you believe everyone of them would overpay for what amounted to a rental. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 28, 2022 9:55:22 GMT -6
But if other teams felt the contract good value, would they not have offered the Hawks a better package to acquire the player? The best deal Davidson could find was a first round pick (and some scraps) in what was considered a historically bad draft. This offer came from a non-contender whose long-term intentions for this player are presently quite ambiguous. It could be Debrincat is back on the market February next year (when the trade return might be more favourable). Again I ask you, do you think Davidson is in over his head? Surely better deals must have been out there for the "young 24-year-old superstar"? Is this really the full value market for this type of player? Or was the $9 M contract the issue for many (if not most) teams ... like is was for me? GM's around the league saw DUMBASS pay through the nose in EVERY way,shape and form for a player who would have been available the very next summer w/o giving up a single asset and none are dumb enough to do the same. I believe he tests the UFA market unless things really work-out up in Siberia and I believe most GM's will wait and take the chance unlike DUMBASS. It seems you remain on a mission to prove his lack of value even though you got your long sought-after trade and why the "s around 24yro all-star? Am I incorrect in pointing that out? 9M is an issue for many....it is for me......I heard from this guy or that guy(drop name here....LOL) and all the other stuff I read around here is RICH! At what point in the game has a durable,24yro who's proven to be a 35-40 goal scorer with great attitude and good all-around game become worth less than market value? We'll see how the kid plays w/o Kane and we'll see what his next deal brings but I suspect some will give the credit for another 40 goal season to his new linemates and call the team who richly rewards him stupid......it won't end.....watch. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 14, 2022 12:22:01 GMT -6
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Post by squishy24 on Aug 14, 2022 12:48:07 GMT -6
The link address made it look like Dcat signed an extension with the Sens lol or maybe thats how i read it. Here is the latest ive seen about Dcat - “ Scott Powers of The Athletic reports that Alex DeBrincat didn’t show interest in signing a long-term deal with the Blackhawks before his trade to Ottawa” |
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Post by BigT on Aug 14, 2022 18:22:08 GMT -6
The link address made it look like Dcat signed an extension with the Sens lol or maybe thats how i read it. Here is the latest ive seen about Dcat - “ Scott Powers of The Athletic reports that Alex DeBrincat didn’t show interest in signing a long-term deal with the Blackhawks before his trade to Ottawa” I heard the same thing. I had brought that up when he was traded. If Dcat signed a long term deal with the Hawks. The Hawks could have dealt him next season and he’d have absolutely no say where to. His new contract with trade protection wouldn’t kick in for another year. So I don’t blame him on that front. And I don’t blame the Hawks for trading him. Right player wrong time. Just didn’t work out. All the best to him in Ottawa. I think he’ll enjoy it there with all the guys his age. That team could end up very good!!! |
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Post by tincup on Oct 11, 2022 9:21:14 GMT -6
Really nice article
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Post by hsbob on Oct 11, 2022 10:42:56 GMT -6
The Sens signing Giroux was a big benefit for the kid,they've had chemistry all PS long. Giroux's also a 56% career FO guy and possession will be huge for that line with the 20yro German stallion Stutzle lookin' for his own breakout after a good sophomore campaign and D-cat in his contract year. Giroux is also a solid two-way center,D-Cat's pretty decent himself,having seen PK time in the past and Stutzle's commented on how his defensive game's improved also.....I see them as Ott's 2nd line for that reason and opponents might very well have their best defenders out against the Tkachuk(30gls)/Norris(35gls last year)line. All of their young,important players other that D-Cat are wrapped-up long term and even Giroux's there the next four years,this should go a long way in both the player's and the team's approach to negotiations and Ott has the room,a rising cap and it looks like a brand new downtown barn on the way. |
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Post by tincup on Oct 11, 2022 11:04:20 GMT -6
The Sens signing Giroux was a big benefit for the kid,they've had chemistry all PS long. Giroux's also a 56% career FO guy and possession will be huge for that line with the 20yro German stallion Stutzle lookin' for his own breakout after a good sophomore campaign and D-cat in his contract year. Giroux is also a solid two-way center,D-Cat's pretty decent himself,having seen PK time in the past and Stutzle's commented on how his defensive game's improved also.....I see them as Ott's 2nd line for that reason and opponents might very well have their best defenders out against the Tkachuk(30gls)/Norris(35gls last year)line. All of their young,important players other that D-Cat are wrapped-up long term and even Giroux's there the next four years,this should go a long way in both the player's and the team's approach to negotiations and Ott has the room,a rising cap and it looks like a brand new downtown barn on the way. They’ve accumulated a nice forward group, if their backend and goaltending hold up they might surprise like Dcat says. Ottawa is a team that always seems to be an afterthought, could be their motivation going forward. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 11, 2022 11:50:13 GMT -6
The Sens signing Giroux was a big benefit for the kid,they've had chemistry all PS long. Giroux's also a 56% career FO guy and possession will be huge for that line with the 20yro German stallion Stutzle lookin' for his own breakout after a good sophomore campaign and D-cat in his contract year. Giroux is also a solid two-way center,D-Cat's pretty decent himself,having seen PK time in the past and Stutzle's commented on how his defensive game's improved also.....I see them as Ott's 2nd line for that reason and opponents might very well have their best defenders out against the Tkachuk(30gls)/Norris(35gls last year)line. All of their young,important players other that D-Cat are wrapped-up long term and even Giroux's there the next four years,this should go a long way in both the player's and the team's approach to negotiations and Ott has the room,a rising cap and it looks like a brand new downtown barn on the way. They’ve accumulated a nice forward group, if their backend and goaltending hold up they might surprise like Dcat says. Ottawa is a team that always seems to be an afterthought, could be their motivation going forward. Sens are still in the running for Chychrun and reportedly willing to part with their 1st and 2nd in a whale of a draft along with a prospect but rumors are,AZ wants Sanderson to be that prospect and that's a NO go. 23yro Branstrom and 22yro Benard-Docker both had solid a PS on Ott's back-end and 22yro,1st round pick Lassi Thompson's had two solid AHL seasons......AZ will have to pick from the three if they want a Sens' D-prospect.......I believe 20yro forward Ridly Greig is a no go too. |
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Post by tincup on Oct 11, 2022 12:20:11 GMT -6
They’ve accumulated a nice forward group, if their backend and goaltending hold up they might surprise like Dcat says. Ottawa is a team that always seems to be an afterthought, could be their motivation going forward. Sens are still in the running for Chychrun and reportedly willing to part with their 1st and 2nd in a whale of a draft along with a prospect but rumors are,AZ wants Sanderson to be that prospect and that's a NO go. 23yro Branstrom and 22yro Benard-Docker both had solid a PS on Ott's back-end and 22yro,1st round pick Lassi Thompson's had two solid AHL seasons......AZ will have to pick from the three if they want a Sens' D-prospect.......I believe 20yro forward Ridly Greig is a no go too. I’m not sure about Chychrun’s timetable for his return, but trading him makes Arizona even worse so the race for the futility cup gets harder for the Hawks. But good for Ottawa, years of building assets to play or trade is finally going to get them a playoff team. I guess that’s the template to follow. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 11, 2022 12:48:31 GMT -6
Sens are still in the running for Chychrun and reportedly willing to part with their 1st and 2nd in a whale of a draft along with a prospect but rumors are,AZ wants Sanderson to be that prospect and that's a NO go. 23yro Branstrom and 22yro Benard-Docker both had solid a PS on Ott's back-end and 22yro,1st round pick Lassi Thompson's had two solid AHL seasons......AZ will have to pick from the three if they want a Sens' D-prospect.......I believe 20yro forward Ridly Greig is a no go too. I’m not sure about Chychrun’s timetable for his return, but trading him makes Arizona even worse so the race for the futility cup gets harder for the Hawks. But good for Ottawa, years of building assets to play or trade is finally going to get them a playoff team. I guess that’s the template to follow. It sounded like he was on schedule from two surgeries before camp opened and AZ has him on IR vs LTIR so maybe he's close..... www.nhl.com/news/coyotes-jakob-chychrun-still-requesting-trade/c-335682532 |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 7, 2023 7:44:05 GMT -6
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Post by steamer on Mar 7, 2023 8:41:25 GMT -6
I like it that the org takes the high road and honors departed favorites. Maybe all the teams do this kind of thing too -
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Post by squishy24 on Mar 7, 2023 11:04:42 GMT -6
I like it that the org takes the high road and honors departed favorites. Maybe all the teams do this kind of thing too - Its amazing and out of ordinary. I mean how many 25 yr olds get a tribute like this from their previous team? Is this the first time? |
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Post by Nikos on Mar 7, 2023 15:26:19 GMT -6
Wonder why we did not do one for Henri Jokiharju when the Sabres were earlier in the season, LOL.
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Post by BigT on Mar 7, 2023 16:48:49 GMT -6
I’ve been hearing that the Wings will try to land Dcat. I flat out asked Draper the other day if the Wings were looking to add the local boy in 2024. He clearly said “Everyone’s looking for a guy like that”. I know he can’t directly comment on those things. But there’s a reason why the Wings shipped out Hronek and Bertuzzi. Clearing out cap space to sign their young guns and a couple free agents next year!!!
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Post by hsbob on Mar 8, 2023 11:12:01 GMT -6
I like it that the org takes the high road and honors departed favorites. Maybe all the teams do this kind of thing too - Its amazing and out of ordinary. I mean how many 25 yr olds get a tribute like this from their previous team? Is this the first time? How many teams have traded a 24yro(at the time)with two 40 goal seasons and another on a 50 goal pace already under their belts........first time indeed. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 8, 2023 11:20:10 GMT -6
I’ve been hearing that the Wings will try to land Dcat. I flat out asked Draper the other day if the Wings were looking to add the local boy in 2024. He clearly said “Everyone’s looking for a guy like that”. I know he can’t directly comment on those things. But there’s a reason why the Wings shipped out Hronek and Bertuzzi. Clearing out cap space to sign their young guns and a couple free agents next year!!! Dorian said he refused to entertain any trade offers for the player at this year's TDL,so he'd have to change direction this summer and Detroit would have to trade for/give up assets along with a big contract since Ottawa has his RFA rights next year. Maybe the following year if he's still unsigned and tests the UFA market. I believe the Sens will have him extended by then though,and for less than his 9M QO but who knows. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 8, 2023 13:17:06 GMT -6
I’ve been hearing that the Wings will try to land Dcat. I flat out asked Draper the other day if the Wings were looking to add the local boy in 2024. He clearly said “Everyone’s looking for a guy like that”. I know he can’t directly comment on those things. But there’s a reason why the Wings shipped out Hronek and Bertuzzi. Clearing out cap space to sign their young guns and a couple free agents next year!!! Dorian said he refused to entertain any trade offers for the player at this year's TDL,so he'd have to change direction this summer and Detroit would have to trade for/give up assets along with a big contract since Ottawa has his RFA rights next year. Maybe the following year if he's still unsigned and tests the UFA market. I believe the Sens will have him extended by then though,and for less than his 9M QO but who knows. D-cat said he isn't going to talk any contract till after the season. According to Cap Friendly and the CBA, the Sens HAVE to offer minimum 9mil QO or Cat can walk A $9,000,000 qualifying offer is required to retain the RFA rights of Alex DeBrincat. The qualifying offer must be a one-way contract since DeBrincat met both the games played and waivers requirements. The qualifying offer is equal to 100% of the previous contracts final season base salary because the salary was $1,000,000 or greater. |
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Post by 2old4this on Mar 8, 2023 15:25:38 GMT -6
I like it that the org takes the high road and honors departed favorites. Maybe all the teams do this kind of thing too - Ask Chris Chellios. |
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Post by BigT on Mar 8, 2023 16:28:23 GMT -6
Dorian said he refused to entertain any trade offers for the player at this year's TDL,so he'd have to change direction this summer and Detroit would have to trade for/give up assets along with a big contract since Ottawa has his RFA rights next year. Maybe the following year if he's still unsigned and tests the UFA market. I believe the Sens will have him extended by then though,and for less than his 9M QO but who knows. D-cat said he isn't going to talk any contract till after the season. According to Cap Friendly and the CBA, the Sens HAVE to offer minimum 9mil QO or Cat can walk A $9,000,000 qualifying offer is required to retain the RFA rights of Alex DeBrincat. The qualifying offer must be a one-way contract since DeBrincat met both the games played and waivers requirements. The qualifying offer is equal to 100% of the previous contracts final season base salary because the salary was $1,000,000 or greater. I don’t think Dcat would sign a deal before next year. Let’s say the Sens offer him 8.3 over 5 years. Do you take that? Or do you take the 9 million guaranteed and head to free agency and hope to get 9 million per for 7 years? I don’t think the Sens will offer 8 years. If the Sens offer 8 years even at 8. That’s 64 million, and I think he’d take it. So we’ll see what’s offered. I think the Sens start around 7, and Dcat at 9. If they can meet in the middle at 8 and get the term. It’ll get done!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 9, 2023 11:04:29 GMT -6
I agree with both T's on this one....LOL! The kid seems happy there but it's hard to tell since he's rarely not had a smile on his face since he came up.
He doesn't have the same type of org/area ties that Giroux or Chychurn have but it does sound like he's part of the tight,young group and both the HC and GM seem satisfied by how he's fits in.....which isn't always a guarantee. I sometimes wonder how he feels about the team's top three scorers all on the top line while he skates with a 22yro rookie center with 18 career assists and a 24yro RW,and they get the tougher defensive assignments(with the +/- to match)too but I doubt he minds since he does get a shit ton of #1PP time.....sometimes all of it.
Pinto is a big,hard working kid who looks to be a good two-way center in the making though and he's winning 52% of his draws and on a 21gl pace in his debut.
Batherson 6'3" 200lbs,like Pinto,brings size to the smaller D-Cat's line and the two have started developing chemistry. The big winger has a nice goal scoring touch(25gl pace),can pass(42ast pace) and leads the team in PP gls/pts and has worked hard on his defensive assignments.
Maybe it'll come down to how much the Cat enjoys leading a younger line but he also knows 23yro 6'3" 200lb center Josh Norris(54/93 52% in his is first 133gms)returns next year too with nine months to recover from shoulder surgery.
BigT's mentioned his hometown as a potential UFA destination and IMO,the 8.7MX8 Larkin extension could do one of two things. Either lay-out a template for a more reasonable re-do up in Ottawa OR the possibility for D-Cat to play with Larkin the next 7 years if Detroit goes max term on the open market. In either event,I see a deal south of 9M.
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Post by hsbob on Mar 9, 2023 11:22:15 GMT -6
Dorian said he refused to entertain any trade offers for the player at this year's TDL,so he'd have to change direction this summer and Detroit would have to trade for/give up assets along with a big contract since Ottawa has his RFA rights next year. Maybe the following year if he's still unsigned and tests the UFA market. I believe the Sens will have him extended by then though,and for less than his 9M QO but who knows. D-cat said he isn't going to talk any contract till after the season. According to Cap Friendly and the CBA, the Sens HAVE to offer minimum 9mil QO or Cat can walk A $9,000,000 qualifying offer is required to retain the RFA rights of Alex DeBrincat. The qualifying offer must be a one-way contract since DeBrincat met both the games played and waivers requirements. The qualifying offer is equal to 100% of the previous contracts final season base salary because the salary was $1,000,000 or greater. The 9M QO's a big one but it's not too far off his actual value,it retains his rights if the team intends to move him and a re-do can and would be for less than the 9M if they decide to keep him IMO. I saw where D-Cat said that and the GM also said he wouldn't entertain any TDL offers for him,it sounds like both sides want to wait till summer to see if they can get things done. I think it'll come down to how both sides see the fit and the future,I don't think the 'fit' has been problematic at all,on or off the ice with the young group and the future has looked brighter with improved play and new ownership on the way. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 14, 2023 16:04:28 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Apr 14, 2023 16:15:57 GMT -6
I think the spot is detroit, personally, and has been all along, even if he had remained in Chicago. although I think he is being short-sighted if he leaves Ottawa to try and win elsewhere. Ottawa has a lot of potential right now, possibly more than detroit... |
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Post by steamer on Apr 14, 2023 16:20:49 GMT -6
I think the spot is detroit, personally, and has been all along, even if he had remained in Chicago. although I think he is ring short-sighted if he leaves Ottawa to try and win elsewhere. Ottawa has a lot of potential right now, possibly more than detroit... I could definitely see D-cat with Detroit and also Kane sign with Buffalo for a couple of years. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 14, 2023 16:48:14 GMT -6
I heard Dcat say he was “open to it” when asked if he’d sign there. Not sure what to believe. But I feel he’ll stay. That team is a wagon!!!
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Post by mvr on Apr 14, 2023 18:11:43 GMT -6
I would be "open to it" as well if the money was good enough.
But of course there are limits, and Ottawa does have the same cap to manage as everyone else.
I believe Garriough is correct. The Senators will attempt to shop the player at the draft. My guess is they will find little interest. The Senators only real card to play at that point would be to encourage Debrincat's agent to explore trade/new contract options independently (if the player is even willing to play ball here).
The truth here is that Debrincat and agent have total control of the situation. Unless, the Senators step to the plate, the player will likely sit back until July 1st to see if Ottawa is willing to qualify him (at $9M/ one year!!!!).
Debrincat knows if the Senators balk, he is a UFA. If the team does make the commitment, his agent then can use the qualifying offer as the baseline to leverage the Senators into a big overpay to extend the term. We all know Debrincat would be more than happy taking the one year contract, then exploring UFA.
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Post by hsbob on Apr 15, 2023 11:39:25 GMT -6
I would be "open to it" as well if the money was good enough. But of course there are limits, and Ottawa does have the same cap to manage as everyone else. I believe Garriough is correct. The Senators will attempt to shop the player at the draft. My guess is they will find little interest. The Senators only real card to play at that point would be to encourage Debrincat's agent to explore trade/new contract options independently (if the player is even willing to play ball here). The truth here is that Debrincat and agent have total control of the situation. Unless, the Senators step to the plate, the player will likely sit back until July 1st to see if Ottawa is willing to qualify him (at $9M/ one year!!!!). Debrincat knows if the Senators balk, he is a UFA. If the team does make the commitment, his agent then can use the qualifying offer as the baseline to leverage the Senators into a big overpay to extend the term. We all know Debrincat would be more than happy taking the one year contract, then exploring UFA. Why would there be "little interest" in your admitted "sarcastic" opinion? Garriough is the typical beachball shaped,jock sniffing,hockey-troll who's only into the system players who've been with the Org and of course Ottawa native and fellow countryman Giroux. He's seen Debrincat as an interloper or outsider all year. I've read his articles all year.......he's never been supportive. Tkachuk had career highs in everything,Stutzle is a true 'Phenom' and Giroux's 35 goals were his career high @35 all playing together most of the year,even though all three are centers. All three are also signed long/med term........those BIG seasons from the three forwards won't cost the team one red cent. A big season from Debrincat costs the team anywhere from 1-3M a year on a re-do.......he and his agent realize this too. I still believe he stays for around 8.5M but it might not be max term and certainly wouldn't have a MNC. Norris' absence meant either rookie 22yro Pinto or 35yro Brassard or (insert name here)would have to fill the 2LC spot,so Debrincat and his agent also might realize it was more unfortunate than intentional. D-Cat's #1 linemate and center in 5 on 5 TOI was Shane Pinto,17 NHL starts,1gl 7asts coming into the season. The kid had a 20gl rookie year with a little help from some D-Cat set-ups(he did set a career high in assists)but only 15 of his own helpers. The kid only gets better and might be one of the best 3LC's in the league next year when Norris returns. D-Cat's #2 linemate in 5 on 5 TOI was 24yro RW Drake Batherson who also set career highs playing with the Cat,but had a poor +/- like his linemates due in large part from that line seeing the tougher defensive assignments than Tkachuk's line. To be objective,he still shoulda had a better year with the PP time he saw and Tkachuk's line normally drawing the opponent's best defenders. The Sens have a LOT of money and term committed to Josh Norris and they'll want him in a position to succeed and continue to improve,D-Cat and Batherson on his wings would be big for him and management knows what few others do.........the Sens were something like 21-2-1 this year when the Cat scored. They also already have those all important top D-men and centers wrapped-up..........isn't this the time when you said a team should acquire/keep the scoring winger? I'm an admitted fan of the kid but I also caught most or all of about a 2/3 of their games this year and let me tell ya something,he rang a bunch of iron this year and a few GT's made some highlight reel saves against him too. I guess we could look-up the 'rung iron' part somewhere and the highlight reel saves part..........you'll have to take an old 'but-hurt' 'fan-boy's opinion on that one. |
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