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Post by hsbob on May 22, 2020 17:28:25 GMT -6
Gilbert? He'd look good vs Kassian and the Oilers goons. Or maybe Osipov or McCoshen if they need size, but they'll go with Koekkoek and Seeler. As much as I don't like giving a compliment to Bowman, he did get guys that are built for playoff hockey, the problem was they had to gel fast and get to the playoffs but their coach failed them. This pandemic might be great for the Hawks if they allow the 24 team playoff, they sneak in and some banged up players had time to recover. Once again,I like your optimism but this team will be going into another postseason without a hint of pushback and zero pack mentality. Shaw's still out and I guarantee Seeler and Gilbert don't see the light of day,who besides Smith who fought once when forced to this year offers any physicality what so ever? Do you actually believe this is a team built for PO hockey with its only failing the HC? McCoshen's scrapin' the bottom of the barrel and I don't think Osipov's even our property.....the 161lb Jakub Galvas is always an option though!LOL!
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Post by galaxytrash on May 22, 2020 18:39:30 GMT -6
like it or not, the 24 team playoff has been approved.
so, just the details to hammer out now.
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Post by BigT on May 22, 2020 20:13:19 GMT -6
I still think it’s premature to announce. It sounds like Ontario who recently laxed the rules is heavily thinking on another total lockdown.
I think the US will end up in the same boat. I was talking to someone who plays in the NHL today. He’s a UFA, and he thinks he’s gonna refuse to play. If he gets injured, how does he sign another deal? Unless his team re-signs him (which he doubts), he may just sit it out. I heard today Taylor Hall is in the same canoe. All the top UFAs feel the same way. It sucks for them.
So I believe the NHL has a few more problems on the horizon. Also, how many players feel uneasy about playing during a Pandemic? Marner already said that. So I’m not sold on this yet. We’ll see soon enough!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on May 22, 2020 20:20:47 GMT -6
the vote was 29-2 on the 24 team playoff. i'm a bit surprised it was that one sided.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 22, 2020 20:30:29 GMT -6
I still think it’s premature to announce. It sounds like Ontario who recently laxed the rules is heavily thinking on another total lockdown. I think the US will end up in the same boat. I was talking to someone who plays in the NHL today. He’s a UFA, and he thinks he’s gonna refuse to play. If he gets injured, how does he sign another deal? Unless his team re-signs him (which he doubts), he may just sit it out. I heard today Taylor Hall is in the same canoe. All the top UFAs feel the same way. It sucks for them. So I believe the NHL has a few more problems on the horizon. Also, how many players feel uneasy about playing during a Pandemic? Marner already said that. So I’m not sold on this yet. We’ll see soon enough!!! possibly, but the league can't just sit around and do nothing. you have to be pro-active here. if the virus gets another foot hold, then you do what you have to do. if that means cancelling the playoffs, so be it. about the UFAs? what if this was just a normal playoffs. wouldn't they be in the same boat? maybe i'm missing something here.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 22, 2020 21:11:22 GMT -6
wonder how much if any they will expand the rosters. Black Aces this year? good question. likely be a limited number. normally there's no set limit is there? i can't recall. that got me thinking. does subban back up crow? if the team truly doesn't see subban in their future, i wonder if delia would be on the bench. edit: i hate answering my own dumb questions, but i figure that subban most likely suits up for the playoffs. if they didn't have plans for him from the get-go, they'd have sent him down to rockford the day they got him.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 22, 2020 21:21:07 GMT -6
He'd look good vs Kassian and the Oilers goons. Or maybe Osipov or McCoshen if they need size, but they'll go with Koekkoek and Seeler. As much as I don't like giving a compliment to Bowman, he did get guys that are built for playoff hockey, the problem was they had to gel fast and get to the playoffs but their coach failed them. This pandemic might be great for the Hawks if they allow the 24 team playoff, they sneak in and some banged up players had time to recover. Once again,I like your optimism but this team will be going into another postseason without a hint of pushback and zero pack mentality. Shaw's still out and I guarantee Seeler and Gilbert don't see the light of day,who besides Smith who fought once when forced to this year offers any physicality what so ever? Do you actually believe this is a team built for PO hockey with its only failing the HC? McCoshen's scrapin' the bottom of the barrel and I don't think Osipov's even our property.....the 161lb Jakub Galvas is always an option though!LOL! I said he got guys built for playoff hockey, I didn't say the team was built for playoff hockey. But you need guys like Smith, Carpenter, Kampf, and even Highmore come playoff time, those guys do the little things that are needed in the playoffs. Plus there's Maatta and de Haan on D, far more leadership than the depth the Hawks had the past couple seasons. If de Haan can't go they should play Gilbert and let him do his thing vs the Oilers. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up fighting, especially now when we're talking about playoff hockey. Sure they don't have the pact mentality like the previous Hawks teams that won Cups but I feel better with this team than the team that last played in the playoffs, Saad won't get pushed around like Panarin did. And I brought up McCoshen because I follow the Hogs closely and he's a leader down there and he's a big guy, but like I said, Koekkoek and Seeler are going to be the guys they go with.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 22, 2020 22:05:20 GMT -6
smith had his hand cut on feb. 12th, missed 7 straight and then had back surgery early march.
and i was kind've hoping we'd see seabrook and shaw.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 22, 2020 22:27:14 GMT -6
for the majority of nhl teams at least, the stanley cup's "race to 19 wins" doesn't seem right to me.
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Post by Tater on May 22, 2020 22:53:37 GMT -6
I still think it’s premature to announce. It sounds like Ontario who recently laxed the rules is heavily thinking on another total lockdown. I think the US will end up in the same boat. I was talking to someone who plays in the NHL today. He’s a UFA, and he thinks he’s gonna refuse to play. If he gets injured, how does he sign another deal? Unless his team re-signs him (which he doubts), he may just sit it out. I heard today Taylor Hall is in the same canoe. All the top UFAs feel the same way. It sucks for them. So I believe the NHL has a few more problems on the horizon. Also, how many players feel uneasy about playing during a Pandemic? Marner already said that. So I’m not sold on this yet. We’ll see soon enough!!! I understand the injury concern, but they could also up their value with a solid playoff performance.
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Post by BigT on May 22, 2020 23:45:16 GMT -6
I still think it’s premature to announce. It sounds like Ontario who recently laxed the rules is heavily thinking on another total lockdown. I think the US will end up in the same boat. I was talking to someone who plays in the NHL today. He’s a UFA, and he thinks he’s gonna refuse to play. If he gets injured, how does he sign another deal? Unless his team re-signs him (which he doubts), he may just sit it out. I heard today Taylor Hall is in the same canoe. All the top UFAs feel the same way. It sucks for them. So I believe the NHL has a few more problems on the horizon. Also, how many players feel uneasy about playing during a Pandemic? Marner already said that. So I’m not sold on this yet. We’ll see soon enough!!! possibly, but the league can't just sit around and do nothing. you have to be pro-active here. if the virus gets another foot hold, then you do what you have to do. if that means cancelling the playoffs, so be it. about the UFAs? what if this was just a normal playoffs. wouldn't they be in the same boat? maybe i'm missing something here. Their contracts expire on July 1. So they’re playing for nothing after their contracts expire. If they get hurt, their insurance won’t cover them, and they have to try and get another deal. It’s literally screwing over the UFA class for this year. The guy I know probably has a chance to play very close to home, why would he risk an injury and possibly eff up his career at 30? There’s some serious concern amongst the UFAs. I understand where they’re coming from, but I guess the show must go on. I applaud the NHL for working hard to figure things out. I just don’t know why they’d make an announcement at this time? Nothing wrong with leaking the format, and saying that they hope to get this going. Thing is, today both countries have announced a spike in cases. They seem to think the loosening or restrictions has caused this. We don’t know for sure, but it seems odd they’d be the only one to announce anything yet!!!
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Post by BigT on May 22, 2020 23:54:08 GMT -6
I still think it’s premature to announce. It sounds like Ontario who recently laxed the rules is heavily thinking on another total lockdown. I think the US will end up in the same boat. I was talking to someone who plays in the NHL today. He’s a UFA, and he thinks he’s gonna refuse to play. If he gets injured, how does he sign another deal? Unless his team re-signs him (which he doubts), he may just sit it out. I heard today Taylor Hall is in the same canoe. All the top UFAs feel the same way. It sucks for them. So I believe the NHL has a few more problems on the horizon. Also, how many players feel uneasy about playing during a Pandemic? Marner already said that. So I’m not sold on this yet. We’ll see soon enough!!! I understand the injury concern, but they could also up their value with a solid playoff performance. I heard first hand tonight that there’s quite a few that may refuse to play. I think many have already mailed it in and don’t care. This years Cup winner will be a joke. This is no way to hand out the Cup. The team that wins may not make the playoffs for years to come. They just got lucky this year. Imagine if you had a chance to play close to home, and the team you grew up watching wanted to sign you, and you get injured in the playoffs? Now they back away, and you go from making 4.5 million to a one year 2 million deal at 30? You’ll never get another longer term deal again. It’s very risky, and especially when teams can legally talk to you on July 1. We’ll see soon enough. I think the guys will play, just not to let their boys down!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on May 22, 2020 23:56:23 GMT -6
possibly, but the league can't just sit around and do nothing. you have to be pro-active here. if the virus gets another foot hold, then you do what you have to do. if that means cancelling the playoffs, so be it. about the UFAs? what if this was just a normal playoffs. wouldn't they be in the same boat? maybe i'm missing something here. Their contracts expire on July 1. So they’re playing for nothing after their contracts expire. If they get hurt, their insurance won’t cover them, and they have to try and get another deal. It’s literally screwing over the UFA class for this year. The guy I know probably has a chance to play very close to home, why would he risk an injury and possibly eff up his career at 30? There’s some serious concern amongst the UFAs. I understand where they’re coming from, but I guess the show must go on. I applaud the NHL for working hard to figure things out. I just don’t know why they’d make an announcement at this time? Nothing wrong with leaking the format, and saying that they hope to get this going. Thing is, today both countries have announced a spike in cases. They seem to think the loosening or restrictions has caused this. We don’t know for sure, but it seems odd they’d be the only one to announce anything yet!!! cheers. i knew i was missing something there about the free agency. i'm sure that'll be one of the details hammered out between the league and the NHLPA. seems just extending their insurance would be an easy enough thing to do. about making the announcement....i figure the fans deserve the right to know. i think most are smart enough to realize that nothing is guaranteed though. this is about a unique of a situation as you could ever dream up (other than a zombie apocalypse).
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Post by Tater on May 23, 2020 0:03:43 GMT -6
Their contracts expire on July 1. So they’re playing for nothing after their contracts expire. If they get hurt, their insurance won’t cover them, and they have to try and get another deal. It’s literally screwing over the UFA class for this year. The guy I know probably has a chance to play very close to home, why would he risk an injury and possibly eff up his career at 30? There’s some serious concern amongst the UFAs. I understand where they’re coming from, but I guess the show must go on. I see. Didn't know about the insurance issue here. You would think the NHLPA would have got that covered in the agreement.
Edit: Bah!! I was fumbling to post as GT posted. Great minds think alike... errr... or something.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 23, 2020 0:15:34 GMT -6
Their contracts expire on July 1. So they’re playing for nothing after their contracts expire. If they get hurt, their insurance won’t cover them, and they have to try and get another deal. It’s literally screwing over the UFA class for this year. The guy I know probably has a chance to play very close to home, why would he risk an injury and possibly eff up his career at 30? There’s some serious concern amongst the UFAs. I understand where they’re coming from, but I guess the show must go on. I see. Didn't know about the insurance issue here. You would think the NHLPA would have got that covered in the agreement.
Edit: Bah!! I was fumbling to post as GT posted. Great minds think alike... errr... or something.
now you're scaring me. : )
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Post by BigT on May 23, 2020 7:45:29 GMT -6
Their contracts expire on July 1. So they’re playing for nothing after their contracts expire. If they get hurt, their insurance won’t cover them, and they have to try and get another deal. It’s literally screwing over the UFA class for this year. The guy I know probably has a chance to play very close to home, why would he risk an injury and possibly eff up his career at 30? There’s some serious concern amongst the UFAs. I understand where they’re coming from, but I guess the show must go on. I see. Didn't know about the insurance issue here. You would think the NHLPA would have got that covered in the agreement.
Edit: Bah!! I was fumbling to post as GT posted. Great minds think alike... errr... or something.
The weird thing is, the team is only checking in once a week. The teams have said that the earliest they could potentially report is June 14, but that’s been pushed back many of times already. So it doesn’t really look promising. He said that usually he takes the first 4-6 weeks off of the summer, then works out 4-5 hours a day. And the team is checking in everyday to make sure they’re doing their jobs. And right now there’s no urgency to even check in. How many guys are in tip top shape? We’ll see soon enough. I think there may be more injuries than most think. I’m sure a good chunk have stayed in great shape. But I’m sure there’s a lot of guys scrambling right now cuz they thought there team was done!!!
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Post by hsbob on May 23, 2020 7:48:58 GMT -6
Once again,I like your optimism but this team will be going into another postseason without a hint of pushback and zero pack mentality. Shaw's still out and I guarantee Seeler and Gilbert don't see the light of day,who besides Smith who fought once when forced to this year offers any physicality what so ever? Do you actually believe this is a team built for PO hockey with its only failing the HC? McCoshen's scrapin' the bottom of the barrel and I don't think Osipov's even our property.....the 161lb Jakub Galvas is always an option though!LOL! I said he got guys built for playoff hockey, I didn't say the team was built for playoff hockey. But you need guys like Smith, Carpenter, Kampf, and even Highmore come playoff time, those guys do the little things that are needed in the playoffs. Plus there's Maatta and de Haan on D, far more leadership than the depth the Hawks had the past couple seasons. If de Haan can't go they should play Gilbert and let him do his thing vs the Oilers. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up fighting, especially now when we're talking about playoff hockey. Sure they don't have the pact mentality like the previous Hawks teams that won Cups but I feel better with this team than the team that last played in the playoffs, Saad won't get pushed around like Panarin did. And I brought up McCoshen because I follow the Hogs closely and he's a leader down there and he's a big guy, but like I said, Koekkoek and Seeler are going to be the guys they go with. Did we see a different team all season or is this a more recent difference of opinion,I disagree with yours but I do respect it and there's still a good part of me that appreciates your optimism. We need guys like Kampf and Highmore come playoff time.....who knew? Maata and de Haan are decent veteran players but I'd still rather have the 8.6M going into next year and neither's fast BUT both are decent D-men so maybe they do help. I know bringing up fighting is a no-no with this squad and I also know we see less in the PO's but I have to quantify the push-back and pack mentality issues somehow but PO opponents will do that for us. Can you tell me that young guys like Dach and Boqvist weren't on an island all year when they got blasted and we both know our 5'9" 165lb sniper has been on his own all along......these things shouldn't be and aren't that way on other teams. Who will stop Zach Kassian from imposing his physical will on this roster? The last team to play in the PO's had a healthy Shaw on it and that in itself made that team a lot tougher than this one and the Bredman plays with more of an edge than Mr 'creampuff' Brandon Saad and he's twice the player......JMO.
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Post by hsbob on May 23, 2020 7:55:33 GMT -6
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Post by acesandeights on May 23, 2020 9:25:35 GMT -6
With a 24 team playoff, will there still be 15 lottery teams for the draft? Or only the 7 that are left out? If it's 15, could a lottery team win the Stanley Cup? If they did where would they draft?
I think watching games with no fans is going to be a real letdown. It would be like watching practice or a team scrimmage. We'll see the puck go in the net but no crowd noise and no team goal song being played.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 23, 2020 10:10:22 GMT -6
With a 24 team playoff, will there still be 15 lottery teams for the draft? Or only the 7 that are left out? If it's 15, could a lottery team win the Stanley Cup? If they did where would they draft? I think watching games with no fans is going to be a real letdown. It would be like watching practice or a team scrimmage. We'll see the puck go in the net but no crowd noise and no team goal song being played. too lazy to hunt down the article, and it wasn't etched in stone anyways, but the price that chicago pays for being playoff bound was that at most they could only jump a maximum of 4 spots (to 5th overall....the placings were based on points percentage when the season ended, hawks were 9th worst). this was to prevent the damn near impossible....the lotto winner winning the cup. about your second paragraph. no comment, other than by the first couple of whistles i'll either like it or i won't. but personally i think i'll be fine with it. we shall see soon enough, hopefully. edit: my oldest brother once skyped me a p/o game against detroit many moons ago by aiming his web cam at his t.v. i was somewhere in asia, on a drillship with horribly slow internet so by the time the signal got to me it was like watching a hockey game being played at the bottom of a murky swimming pool. even though we lost, i enjoyed it, got used to it quickly enough and soon forgot about the quality. maybe it'll be the same this season, although the comparison might not be the greatest.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 23, 2020 11:41:17 GMT -6
Bob I respect your opinions but I remember a different Saad player in the playoffs, I don't remember Panarin doing anything for the Hawks in the playoffs.
And yes the team was very inconsistent this season but when they played as a team they had some dominating games vs top teams, plus they weren't easy to push around like Nashville did to them when they swept them. If Colliton has some balls he'll play Gilbert to counter Kass 🤞
We can go back and forth all day but we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by acesandeights on May 23, 2020 12:13:04 GMT -6
With a 24 team playoff, will there still be 15 lottery teams for the draft? Or only the 7 that are left out? If it's 15, could a lottery team win the Stanley Cup? If they did where would they draft? I think watching games with no fans is going to be a real letdown. It would be like watching practice or a team scrimmage. We'll see the puck go in the net but no crowd noise and no team goal song being played. too lazy to hunt down the article, and it wasn't etched in stone anyways, but the price that chicago pays for being playoff bound was that at most they could only jump a maximum of 4 spots (to 5th overall....the placings were based on points percentage when the season ended, hawks were 9th worst). this was to prevent the damn near impossible....the lotto winner winning the cup. about your second paragraph. no comment, other than by the first couple of whistles i'll either like it or i won't. but personally i think i'll be fine with it. we shall see soon enough, hopefully. edit: my oldest brother once skyped me a p/o game against detroit many moons ago by aiming his web cam at his t.v. i was somewhere in asia, on a drillship with horribly slow internet so by the time the signal got to me it was like watching a hockey game being played at the bottom of a murky swimming pool. even though we lost, i enjoyed it, got used to it quickly enough and soon forgot about the quality. maybe it'll be the same this season, although the comparison might not be the greatest. Thanks GT. I figured the NHL front office had to have all this figured out. I was afraid by being in the playoffs, there was a chance the Hawks might end up knocking their draft slot down several spots. What are the odds that no fans in the arena won't stop coaches from using colorful language when something doesn't go their way.
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Post by hawks27 on May 23, 2020 12:25:58 GMT -6
I just finished watching video of the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs run by the Blackhawks, as shown on the NHL network. I really can appreciate the contributions of many of the "lesser" players to the team's success. Bickell was a monster, especially in front of the net. His tying late goal vs Boston in game 6 was an example of what the present team has been lacking most of the time (if not ALL of the time). If it wasn't for his health situation, he would have been a major part of future Hawks team's efforts. I hope he is doing well and can live a long and enjoyable life now with his family.
Losing Hossa was a severe blow to the Hawks. He was such a great all-around player. Hope the best for him, also, now that his playing days are over.
The 2013 team often dug down and found a way to win, even when they were near elimination. You just never knew who would be making the great play (either offensively or defensively), but someone would rise to the occasion to keep the team on the way to the Cup. The present roster has too many young, inexperienced players, and too many older ones that are on their final parts of their careers. The core cannot do it alone.
After watching this video, I was reinforced that we, Blackhawks fans, were very fortunate to have been able to witness such a great run to winning 3 Cups in such a relative short period of time. Maybe we became spoiled, but at least we have those fond memories to draw on. A lot of other team's fans don't have as much to fondly remember.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 23, 2020 17:23:01 GMT -6
What are the odds that no fans in the arena won't stop coaches from using colorful language when something doesn't go their way. this was touched on on the last page of the "well now what are we gonna talk about?!?" thread in hawk talk.
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Post by acesandeights on May 23, 2020 18:41:57 GMT -6
wonder how much if any they will expand the rosters. Black Aces this year? good question. likely be a limited number. normally there's no set limit is there? i can't recall. that got me thinking. does subban back up crow?if the team truly doesn't see subban in their future, i wonder if delia would be on the bench. edit: i hate answering my own dumb questions, but i figure that subban most likely suits up for the playoffs. if they didn't have plans for him from the get-go, they'd have sent him down to rockford the day they got him. I would agree. Since it's the playoffs surely they would want a guy with more NHL exp. and Subban has a big edge over Delia; 63 games to 16. It will be interesting to see how many games he gets into. Will he break a sweat?
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Post by galaxytrash on May 23, 2020 18:58:14 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see how many games he gets into. Will he break a sweat? hopefully not. any scenario with subban (or any goalie besides crow) between the pipes in the playoffs can only be a bad one.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 24, 2020 0:19:53 GMT -6
not that it matters but i'd be curious to know why these 2 teams voted against. TB were among the cup favorites, would they vote to postpone the season due to the virus? and carolina hadn't even clinched a spot yet.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 24, 2020 5:53:20 GMT -6
I still think it’s premature to announce. It sounds like Ontario who recently laxed the rules is heavily thinking on another total lockdown. So I believe the NHL has a few more problems on the horizon. Also, how many players feel uneasy about playing during a Pandemic? Marner already said that. So I’m not sold on this yet. We’ll see soon enough!!! marner's quote was "I'm all down for starting everything up, let’s rock, but what if someone gets sick and dies? What happens? It’s awful to think about, but still.” if this wasn't in the back of every player's mind i'd be shocked, but until now only 8 nhlers from just 2 teams (5 from ottawa and 3 from colorado) have been diagnosed and all have recovered. i'm pretty sure the majority caught the illness early in before full measures against the disease were taken. i think this can be done safely knowing all that we know now about the disease. jmo, but in today's situation, i'd be surprised to see a a single player of the starting 20 per team bow out of post season play due to fear of the virus. of course if this "second wave" hits, that could change everything. sounds shitty to say, but these guys are pro athletes, not low wagers in a meat packing plant. they'll be tested so many times they'll be sick of it. having said all that, i'm glad it wasn't my decision to start up this season. there could be a lot at stake if it's not done right.
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2020 8:25:40 GMT -6
I still think it’s premature to announce. It sounds like Ontario who recently laxed the rules is heavily thinking on another total lockdown. So I believe the NHL has a few more problems on the horizon. Also, how many players feel uneasy about playing during a Pandemic? Marner already said that. So I’m not sold on this yet. We’ll see soon enough!!! marner's quote was "I'm all down for starting everything up, let’s rock, but what if someone gets sick and dies? What happens? It’s awful to think about, but still.” if this wasn't in the back of every player's mind i'd be shocked, but until now only 8 nhlers from just 2 teams (5 from ottawa and 3 from colorado) have been diagnosed and all have recovered. i'm pretty sure the majority caught the illness early in before full measures against the disease were taken. i think this can be done safely knowing all that we know now about the disease. jmo, but in today's situation, i'd be surprised to see a a single player of the starting 20 per team bow out of post season play due to fear of the virus. of course if this "second wave" hits, that could change everything. sounds shitty to say, but these guys are pro athletes, not low wagers in a meat packing plant. they'll be tested so many times they'll be sick of it. having said all that, i'm glad it wasn't my decision to start up this season. there could be a lot at stake if it's not done right. I agree on your last sentence. Wouldn’t want that job. As to Marners comments. What if one player tests positive? What do they do? Is the whole thing cancelled? It really does sound half assed at this point. All they’ve said is that they’re gonna give her the old college try. No one has heard a contingency plan yet. I hope they release details soon if things go sideways. There’s a reason no other league has even attempted this. But, I say let em do it. Hopefully it all goes well, cuz I think it could just about sink the league that’s done nothing but grow over the last 2 decades!!!
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Post by hsbob on May 24, 2020 8:50:01 GMT -6
Bob I respect your opinions but I remember a different Saad player in the playoffs, I don't remember Panarin doing anything for the Hawks in the playoffs. And yes the team was very inconsistent this season but when they played as a team they had some dominating games vs top teams, plus they weren't easy to push around like Nashville did to them when they swept them. If Colliton has some balls he'll play Gilbert to counter Kass 🤞 We can go back and forth all day but we'll just have to wait and see. What else we gonna do for hockey chatter big guy? Much respect and appreciation for yours! After re-watching all the PO 'W's' from 2010,the SCF 'W's' from 13&15 and most recently the 'W's' from the '13' run(game 6 against Detroit today @4)….I have noticed a somewhat more physical player in Saad in the games he's been in but he's never been much for confrontation IMO. Panarin wasn't fortunate to join a loaded Hawks team,the boys were worn out after winnin' 2 in 3 in the seven game 1st round loss against the Blues and Breadman tied for the team lead with 7pts in 7gms,he only had one point in the sweep but nobody had more than two. I can't put those PO eliminations on Panarin but I do know we haven't even had a chance to be eliminated since he left. Panarin wasn't a tough guy but I saw much more willingness from him to stick up for a linemate in his two years here than I've ever seen from Saad. Out of curiosity not agument's sake......who are these players on the current roster who keep the team from being pushed around and where were they when our teenagers were gettin' clobbered all year?
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