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Post by galaxytrash on May 27, 2020 4:54:04 GMT -6
Imagine snow on the ground a couple of months but no hockey?
Lucky for me we don't get snow here i guess.
Besides...the AHL might be on tv a bit more so there's that...dylan sikura 3X a week.
Yeah baby!
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Post by hsbob on May 27, 2020 6:59:52 GMT -6
So, does this mean the Hawks officially would have "made the playoffs"? Bowman would gain a merit badge. Colliton would gain a merit badge. We would gain another headache. i highly doubt SB or JC are happy with this season and i highly doubt they're pinning badges on themselves. the one and only reason we're in is because the league wants more $$ from playoff t.v. revenue. everyone knows that. i wouldn't think SB/JC are breathing huge sighs of relief thinking that their jobs are somehow more secure. jmo. I hope you're right my friend but the timing of McD's dumping does send a signal to the Bowmans that they're in charge now. It'll be their draft and their FA offseason decisions.....one more year of which will be a disaster. Who does Rocky have between him and his GM now? His own son and the GM's father...…..THIS is the council he'll seek. Don't be too surprised to see Prince Daniel hang onto that job either,I can hear 'Little Caesar' now......look how good by boy's done.LOL! |
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Post by BigT on May 27, 2020 7:27:06 GMT -6
i highly doubt SB or JC are happy with this season and i highly doubt they're pinning badges on themselves. the one and only reason we're in is because the league wants more $$ from playoff t.v. revenue. everyone knows that. i wouldn't think SB/JC are breathing huge sighs of relief thinking that their jobs are somehow more secure. jmo. I hope you're right my friend but the timing of McD's dumping does send a signal to the Bowmans that they're in charge now. It'll be their draft and their FA offseason decisions.....one more year of which will be a disaster. Who does Rocky have between him and his GM now? His own son and the GM's father...…..THIS is the council he'll seek. Don't be too surprised to see Prince Daniel hang onto that job either,I can hear 'Little Caesar' now......look how good by boy's done.LOL! I’m in no way hedging my bet here. But if the team sucks again next year, we all were right and Stan did Stan things and he’s awful at his job. If for some reason he makes amazing moves and the team is a bonafide playoff team with success. We’ll know McD had his hand in there somewhere. I doubt Stan learns how to GM now. His moves are his. I highly doubt McD made all the moves and Stan took the blame. I also highly McD made all the coaching decisions in real time too. I hope when this fails during this years playoff (gimme spot), and next season. They sht can him and move on for once and for all!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 27, 2020 7:32:48 GMT -6
i highly doubt SB or JC are happy with this season and i highly doubt they're pinning badges on themselves. the one and only reason we're in is because the league wants more $$ from playoff t.v. revenue. everyone knows that. i wouldn't think SB/JC are breathing huge sighs of relief thinking that their jobs are somehow more secure. jmo. I hope you're right my friend but the timing of McD's dumping does send a signal to the Bowmans that they're in charge now. It'll be their draft and their FA offseason decisions.....one more year of which will be a disaster. Who does Rocky have between him and his GM now? His own son and the GM's father...…..THIS is the council he'll seek. Don't be too surprised to see Prince Daniel hang onto that job either,I can hear 'Little Caesar' now......look how good by boy's done.LOL! idk bob. i just posted saying that the g.m. and the h.c. can't possibly be happy with this season, or the last 2 seasons if you like. i didn't mean to stir up anything. i've never bought into this "bowmans running the show" thing or that stan undermined dale with that "fax machine" thing. if you want to run with that, i'm good with it. you've got plenty of company. i know i'm just a dumb fan who only likes to see the good in my club, and i've always been a bit naive i admit...but i'm not ready to embrace these theories. it makes good message board fodder though. |
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Post by hsbob on May 27, 2020 7:55:17 GMT -6
I hope you're right my friend but the timing of McD's dumping does send a signal to the Bowmans that they're in charge now. It'll be their draft and their FA offseason decisions.....one more year of which will be a disaster. Who does Rocky have between him and his GM now? His own son and the GM's father...…..THIS is the council he'll seek. Don't be too surprised to see Prince Daniel hang onto that job either,I can hear 'Little Caesar' now......look how good by boy's done.LOL! idk bob. i just posted saying that the g.m. and the h.c. can't possibly be happy with this season, or the last 2 seasons if you like. i didn't mean to stir up anything. i've never bought into this "bowmans running the show" thing or that stan undermined dale with that "fax machine" thing. if you want to run with that, i'm good with it. you've got plenty of company. i know i'm just a dumb fan who only likes to see the good in my club, and i've always been a bit naive i admit...but i'm not ready to embrace these theories. it makes good message board fodder though. You never stir things up my friend and I always enjoy and respect your posts.....I just disagreed this time. I don't believe I'm running with the fax machine stuff though,I'm just very displeased with the job SB has done the last few years(last summer speaks for itself) and I'm as scared as hell SB has job security. I never thought I needed company to formulate an opinion. I dunno who called you a dumb fan but I sure didn't. If the Bowmans aren't runnin' the show who is? Prince Daniel? I was right there with you for a long time as far as seeing the good and I got the Kool-Aid and rose colored glasses stuff too until I could no longer support what I've seen. Would you say it's safe to assume that Rocky has put the blame for the team's situation on Q and McD since they are the only two who were dumped? I still believe Scotty has Rocky's ear and it does make for good fodder......as does last place in our division. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 27, 2020 8:41:45 GMT -6
idk bob. i just posted saying that the g.m. and the h.c. can't possibly be happy with this season, or the last 2 seasons if you like. i didn't mean to stir up anything. i've never bought into this "bowmans running the show" thing or that stan undermined dale with that "fax machine" thing. if you want to run with that, i'm good with it. you've got plenty of company. i know i'm just a dumb fan who only likes to see the good in my club, and i've always been a bit naive i admit...but i'm not ready to embrace these theories. it makes good message board fodder though. You never stir things up my friend and I always enjoy and respect your posts.....I just disagreed this time. I don't believe I'm running with the fax machine stuff though,I'm just very displeased with the job SB has done the last few years(last summer speaks for itself) and I'm as scared as hell SB has job security. I never thought I needed company to formulate an opinion. I dunno who called you a dumb fan but I sure didn't. If the Bowmans aren't runnin' the show who is? Prince Daniel? I was right there with you for a long time as far as seeing the good and I got the Kool-Aid and rose colored glasses stuff too until I could no longer support what I've seen. Would you say it's safe to assume that Rocky has put the blame for the team's situation on Q and McD since they are the only two who were dumped? I still believe Scotty has Rocky's ear and it does make for good fodder......as does last place in our division. first paragraph...displeased with bowman as well overall. security? we'll see. second...i never said you did. third...i called myself a dumb fan. fourth...wirtz, blunk, stan, maciver, macisaac. perhaps daniel to a lesser extent. skipping a paragraph, but do you really think the hawks are still blaming Q in some way, shape or form? no comment on that one. we've already had our dustup over that. : ) last line...perhaps 86 year old scotty still has rocky's ear....to what extent that's the BIG question i suppose. myself....i don't think it's as much as most think. edit: but being both self-admittedly dumb and naive pretty much exonerates me from any criticism so good luck trying to pin me down on something. : D |
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Post by hsbob on May 27, 2020 11:06:01 GMT -6
You never stir things up my friend and I always enjoy and respect your posts.....I just disagreed this time. I don't believe I'm running with the fax machine stuff though,I'm just very displeased with the job SB has done the last few years(last summer speaks for itself) and I'm as scared as hell SB has job security. I never thought I needed company to formulate an opinion. I dunno who called you a dumb fan but I sure didn't. If the Bowmans aren't runnin' the show who is? Prince Daniel? I was right there with you for a long time as far as seeing the good and I got the Kool-Aid and rose colored glasses stuff too until I could no longer support what I've seen. Would you say it's safe to assume that Rocky has put the blame for the team's situation on Q and McD since they are the only two who were dumped? I still believe Scotty has Rocky's ear and it does make for good fodder......as does last place in our division. first paragraph...displeased with bowman as well overall. security? we'll see. second...i never said you did. third...i called myself a dumb fan. fourth...wirtz, blunk, stan, maciver, macisaac. perhaps daniel to a lesser extent. skipping a paragraph, but do you really think the hawks are still blaming Q in some way, shape or form? no comment on that one. we've already had our dustup over that. : ) last line...perhaps 86 year old scotty still has rocky's ear....to what extent that's the BIG question i suppose. myself....i don't think it's as much as most think. edit: but being both self-admittedly dumb and naive pretty much exonerates me from any criticism so good luck trying to pin me down on something. : D First off.....thanks for indulging my volley of silly questions....LOL! I won't pretend to know who has Rocky's ear but I have suggested it's Scotty, we do know it wasn't McD or Q or I have to assume they'd still be here. The Q dust-up was mostly my fault but they had to blame him for the team's situation at the time or they don't fire him...….right? You skipped the paragraph where we sipped Kool-Aid together a few years ago...….you just don't care any more!LOL! My biggest fear in SB staying along with more bad trades is the distinct possibility of losing interest as far as following the team. I'll always love the team but my loyalty has bounds. I vowed never to step foot in Wrigley again when I heard of the Greg Maddux trade back in 92 and I haven't. I washed my hands of the Bulls for runnin' one of the greatest coaches ever out of town and I'm close with the Bears and their awful mis-management. You are hard to pin down but it's not due to dumbness or naivety,it's because you never make blanket statements or use hyperbole like most of the rest of us. |
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Post by gigecj on May 27, 2020 11:10:20 GMT -6
crow for the connie. 19-12. a socially distanced parade in October. I'd buy a t-shirt. probably a hat too. Can you imagine about two-three million people socially distanced at six feet apart or more? The crowd would stretch to Bob's house! |
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Post by vadarx on May 27, 2020 11:19:26 GMT -6
crow for the connie. 19-12. a socially distanced parade in October. I'd buy a t-shirt. probably a hat too. Can you imagine about two-three million people socially distanced at six feet apart or more. The crowd would stretch to Bob's house! 😅 I wanna see it. |
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Post by vadarx on May 27, 2020 11:20:59 GMT -6
so I've read it both ways thus far in reading the plans for when we return:
any idea what the official OT policy is going to be when we get to it? they better make the "play in" round the same as the regular playoffs, imo. no dammed shootouts!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 13:28:59 GMT -6
so I've read it both ways thus far in reading the plans for when we return: any idea what the official OT policy is going to be when we get to it? they better make the "play in" round the same as the regular playoffs, imo. no dammed shootouts! In listening to Bettman's press conference, the top 4 teams in each conference will play each other to determine top seed for next round. If those games go into OT, they will use regular season OT and shootout rules.
For teams 5 thru 12, they will play OT playoff rules, 20 minute periods until someone scores.
Once this opening round of games end, then all games will be played under playoff OT rules.
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Post by vadarx on May 27, 2020 15:07:15 GMT -6
so I've read it both ways thus far in reading the plans for when we return: any idea what the official OT policy is going to be when we get to it? they better make the "play in" round the same as the regular playoffs, imo. no dammed shootouts! In listening to Bettman's press conference, the top 4 teams in each conference will play each other to determine top seed for next round. If those games go into OT, they will use regular season OT and shootout rules.
For teams 5 thru 12, they will play OT playoff rules, 20 minute periods until someone scores.
Once this opening round of games end, then all games will be played under playoff OT rules.
right on. that's what I thought the case was and then I read in the sun-times that there would be 3 on 3 ot..... guess they weren't paying attention to Gary. |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on May 27, 2020 15:21:48 GMT -6
This playoff format is ridiculous, the Hawks have no business being apart of it. I, like many fans only wish for success when it Centers around our Hawks, but in this situation, the Blackhawks are exactly what the were before the season ended. They were a team on the outside looking in, they were a team with huge holes, a team with a brutal coach and GM and frankly a team that was not very good. Yes it would be great to see our Hawks back in the playoffs, but under these circumstances a top 5 pick would prove to be more beneficial to this team than a few gimme playoff games.
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Post by gigecj on May 27, 2020 17:02:20 GMT -6
This playoff format is ridiculous, the Hawks have no business being apart of it. I, like many fans only wish for success when it Centers around our Hawks, but in this situation, the Blackhawks are exactly what the were before the season ended. They were a team on the outside looking in, they were a team with huge holes, a team with a brutal coach and GM and frankly a team that was not very good. Yes it would be great to see our Hawks back in the playoffs, but under these circumstances a top 5 pick would prove to be more beneficial to this team than a few gimme playoff games. Great point about draft positioning. A potential top five pick vs. a very slim chance of so much as making it to the finals in an "asterisk" season, with a slight chance to at least best the Oil? I'll take the potential top five pick. |
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Post by vadarx on May 27, 2020 17:21:03 GMT -6
the Blackhawks can still get a top 3 pick if they lose to Edmonton. the teams that lose in the play in round will be included in the draft lottery.
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Post by T-man2010 on May 27, 2020 17:46:07 GMT -6
so I've read it both ways thus far in reading the plans for when we return: any idea what the official OT policy is going to be when we get to it? they better make the "play in" round the same as the regular playoffs, imo. no dammed shootouts! In listening to Bettman's press conference, the top 4 teams in each conference will play each other to determine top seed for next round. If those games go into OT, they will use regular season OT and shootout rules.
For teams 5 thru 12, they will play OT playoff rules, 20 minute periods until someone scores.
Once this opening round of games end, then all games will be played under playoff OT rules.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 18:50:21 GMT -6
In listening to Bettman's press conference, the top 4 teams in each conference will play each other to determine top seed for next round. If those games go into OT, they will use regular season OT and shootout rules.
For teams 5 thru 12, they will play OT playoff rules, 20 minute periods until someone scores.
Once this opening round of games end, then all games will be played under playoff OT rules.
right on. that's what I thought the case was and then I read in the sun-times that there would be 3 on 3 ot..... guess they weren't paying attention to Gary. Well that 3 on 3 OT is correct for the top 4 teams. They'd play a 5 minute OT 3 on 3, and if still tied go to a shootout. Maybe that's what the Suntimes was referring to? |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 18:53:35 GMT -6
In listening to Bettman's press conference, the top 4 teams in each conference will play each other to determine top seed for next round. If those games go into OT, they will use regular season OT and shootout rules.
For teams 5 thru 12, they will play OT playoff rules, 20 minute periods until someone scores.
Once this opening round of games end, then all games will be played under playoff OT rules.
What's the difference? If you read the whole post again, it shows that the 4 teams are playing regular season OT rules, including a 3 on 3 OT and shootout, while the 5 thru 12 play full overtime periods. And once that round is over they begin with all games playing full overtime periods. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 27, 2020 19:45:29 GMT -6
the canes were in a wildcard spot when the season ended but there were 4 other teams within 3 points of them with +/- a dozen or so games left to play.
so i'm not sure i agree with brind'amour's statement.
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Post by gigecj on May 27, 2020 20:49:16 GMT -6
the canes were in a wildcard spot when the season ended but there were 4 other teams within 3 points of them with +/- a dozen or so games left to play. so i'm not sure i agree with brind'amour's statement. I guess it could be worse. The NBA has been talking about EVERY team--including the woefully bad ones--would be part of a playoff! |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 27, 2020 21:30:46 GMT -6
the Blackhawks can still get a top 3 pick if they lose to Edmonton. the teams that lose in the play in round will be included in the draft lottery. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 27, 2020 22:19:39 GMT -6
crow for the connie. 19-12. a socially distanced parade in October. I'd buy a t-shirt. probably a hat too. Can you imagine about two-three million people socially distanced at six feet apart or more? The crowd would stretch to Bob's house! i think the 6' limit is still too close. i'll be at the parade but at an ultra-safe 8,500 miles away. : ) |
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Post by Tater on May 27, 2020 23:58:17 GMT -6
The playoff OT rules for most games will really bring out the teams/players that have stayed in shape.
Hopefully Seabs has been bulking up Dach with good food there. That's if Dach is still living there.
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Post by doogiew on May 28, 2020 5:55:18 GMT -6
idk bob. i just posted saying that the g.m. and the h.c. can't possibly be happy with this season, or the last 2 seasons if you like. i didn't mean to stir up anything. i've never bought into this "bowmans running the show" thing or that stan undermined dale with that "fax machine" thing. if you want to run with that, i'm good with it. you've got plenty of company. i know i'm just a dumb fan who only likes to see the good in my club, and i've always been a bit naive i admit...but i'm not ready to embrace these theories. it makes good message board fodder though. You never stir things up my friend and I always enjoy and respect your posts.....I just disagreed this time. I don't believe I'm running with the fax machine stuff though,I'm just very displeased with the job SB has done the last few years(last summer speaks for itself) and I'm as scared as hell SB has job security. I never thought I needed company to formulate an opinion. I dunno who called you a dumb fan but I sure didn't. If the Bowmans aren't runnin' the show who is? Prince Daniel? I was right there with you for a long time as far as seeing the good and I got the Kool-Aid and rose colored glasses stuff too until I could no longer support what I've seen. Would you say it's safe to assume that Rocky has put the blame for the team's situation on Q and McD since they are the only two who were dumped? I still believe Scotty has Rocky's ear and it does make for good fodder......as does last place in our division.
What is often wasted on many is the fact that although a good coach with stacked rosters Scotty Bowman was a terrible GM. For this organization to have done as well as it has is really rather remarkable. Thus it's very easy for me to see that Dale Talon's finger prints were on the first two 2010 and 2013 cups. Stan was instrumental however in bringing the cup back for 2015. No one can take that away from Stan. Even then however he made almost as many stupid moves as he did good. Timonen was far more a burden than help causing Q to have to go with predominately 4 Dmen. It has to be said however that without Richards and Vermette alone there would be no 2015 cup in Chicago. I don't like many moves Stan made but the old adage if you throw enough at a wall some will stick. |
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Post by hsbob on May 28, 2020 8:25:05 GMT -6
crow for the connie. 19-12. a socially distanced parade in October. I'd buy a t-shirt. probably a hat too. Can you imagine about two-three million people socially distanced at six feet apart or more? The crowd would stretch to Bob's house! There might even be lodging for the wayward cocktail waitress in the crowd.....LOL! |
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Post by hsbob on May 28, 2020 8:46:25 GMT -6
You never stir things up my friend and I always enjoy and respect your posts.....I just disagreed this time. I don't believe I'm running with the fax machine stuff though,I'm just very displeased with the job SB has done the last few years(last summer speaks for itself) and I'm as scared as hell SB has job security. I never thought I needed company to formulate an opinion. I dunno who called you a dumb fan but I sure didn't. If the Bowmans aren't runnin' the show who is? Prince Daniel? I was right there with you for a long time as far as seeing the good and I got the Kool-Aid and rose colored glasses stuff too until I could no longer support what I've seen. Would you say it's safe to assume that Rocky has put the blame for the team's situation on Q and McD since they are the only two who were dumped? I still believe Scotty has Rocky's ear and it does make for good fodder......as does last place in our division.
What is often wasted on many is the fact that although a good coach with stacked rosters Scotty Bowman was a terrible GM. For this organization to have done as well as it has is really rather remarkable. Thus it's very easy for me to see that Dale Talon's finger prints were on the first two 2010 and 2013 cups. Stan was instrumental however in bringing the cup back for 2015. No one can take that away from Stan. Even then however he made almost as many stupid moves as he did good. Timonen was far more a burden than help causing Q to have to go with predominately 4 Dmen. It has to be said however that without Richards and Vermette alone there would be no 2015 cup in Chicago. I don't like many moves Stan made but the old adage if you throw enough at a wall some will stick. Two good points doogs…... I always honor achievements of great players and coaches and Scotty has an unparalleled career,even though the Habs and Wings were PRE-cap juggernauts. His GM career was nowhere near as accomplished as his coaching career to put it politely. Talon and Smith both had fingerprints on the '10' team. Guy's like T and Phil will attest to the fact that I was solidly in SB's corner until a few years ago and I was for the reasons you mentioned. Re-watching the '13' PO games up until game two of the LA series and the '15' finals has indeed made me re-appreciate guys like Handzus,Roszival,Oduya via trade and the drafting of Saad,Shaw and Kruger in the '13' run....can't win that one without those guys. Can't win in '15' without Richards,Vermette and Oduya,that goes for Saad,Shaw and Kruger too. We all know why my opinion changing since I've gone on and on about the reasons...….the only one I'll repeat for now was the disaster of a summer he had last year when he had space,picks and assets to play with. I'll also admit that Q's firing 15 games in turned me as far as SB too but not as much as being a doormat has. |
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Post by BigT on May 28, 2020 13:06:40 GMT -6
What is often wasted on many is the fact that although a good coach with stacked rosters Scotty Bowman was a terrible GM. For this organization to have done as well as it has is really rather remarkable. Thus it's very easy for me to see that Dale Talon's finger prints were on the first two 2010 and 2013 cups. Stan was instrumental however in bringing the cup back for 2015. No one can take that away from Stan. Even then however he made almost as many stupid moves as he did good. Timonen was far more a burden than help causing Q to have to go with predominately 4 Dmen. It has to be said however that without Richards and Vermette alone there would be no 2015 cup in Chicago. I don't like many moves Stan made but the old adage if you throw enough at a wall some will stick. Two good points doogs…... I always honor achievements of great players and coaches and Scotty has an unparalleled career,even though the Habs and Wings were PRE-cap juggernauts. His GM career was nowhere near as accomplished as his coaching career to put it politely. Talon and Smith both had fingerprints on the '10' team. Guy's like T and Phil will attest to the fact that I was solidly in SB's corner until a few years ago and I was for the reasons you mentioned. Re-watching the '13' PO games up until game two of the LA series and the '15' finals has indeed made me re-appreciate guys like Handzus,Roszival,Oduya via trade and the drafting of Saad,Shaw and Kruger in the '13' run....can't win that one without those guys. Can't win in '15' without Richards,Vermette and Oduya,that goes for Saad,Shaw and Kruger too. We all know why my opinion changing since I've gone on and on about the reasons...….the only one I'll repeat for now was the disaster of a summer he had last year when he had space,picks and assets to play with. I'll also admit that Q's firing 15 games in turned me as far as SB too but not as much as being a doormat has. I can attest that we had some epic discussions on the Staniel front. Good times they were. Unfortunately for me, my points took time to prove any worth. It’s very tough to prove a futuristic point. However, I think I’ve made it clear many many of times where I stand. There’s absolutely no disputing where I drew the line, that line became a trench! Over the past 4 years, when Hossa, Sharp, Hammer, Bickell and a litany or other players either retired or massively declined, Stan had absolutely no answer. He’s had awful turnover, unnecessary turnover and ridiculous moves that make no sense. He’s a fraud, and I’ll wait it out again to prove it. Until Dcat was drafted, he really hadn’t had much to show for any draft picks in almost a decade. And when he did have the odd kid that was panning out, he traded them. The rule in a cap era is simple. Identify your core group. Keep them. Anyone on the outside can be traded to “build from within”. You get decent picks and prospects for the guys you trade. Develop them and get younger cheaper and continue on. Find bargains for the bottom six and bottom pairings on D. Stan got nothing for his trades. Especially cap casualties. Now a days. Stan’s just looking for a miracle. It seems every trade we get a little worse. The team looks like it smells like pee. And the smell test confirms that!!! |
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Post by vadarx on May 28, 2020 13:20:41 GMT -6
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Post by doogiew on May 28, 2020 14:55:54 GMT -6
There is always reason with Stan continuing to run things. Out of desperation he would play Scotty although he would likely have to tie his skates. All kidding aside, it's truly that Stan is having trouble icing a winner and is being watched closely. He will do anything without thought on the future. He has to produce now and if that means bringing every kid in Rockford up early he would do it. |
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Post by hsbob on May 28, 2020 18:23:52 GMT -6
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