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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 28, 2023 16:57:39 GMT -6
i thought jonny would be back next year but not so sure now.
i'm kind of leaning towards that he plays once from here on out...the last game of the season at home against philly and that'll be all she wrote. but i'm still hoping he plays all 82 next season.
this has certainly been a season full of question marks.
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Post by steamer on Mar 28, 2023 17:25:59 GMT -6
i thought jonny would be back next year but not so sure now. i'm kind of leaning towards that he plays once from here on out...the last game of the season at home against philly and that'll be all she wrote. but i'm still hoping he plays all 82 next season. this has certainly been a season full of question marks. Yeah I thought I was getting beyond this but found this kind of emotional. I guess you don’t get over possibly not seeing the captain of 3 cup winners and many more seasons play again in Chicago or maybe anywhere. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 28, 2023 18:06:55 GMT -6
i thought jonny would be back next year but not so sure now. i'm kind of leaning towards that he plays once from here on out...the last game of the season at home against philly and that'll be all she wrote. but i'm still hoping he plays all 82 next season. this has certainly been a season full of question marks. Yeah I thought I was getting beyond this but found this kind of emotional. I guess you don’t get over possibly not seeing the captain of 3 cup winners and many more seasons play again in Chicago or maybe anywhere. Sounded more like he's going through some bouts of depression. Obviously without knowing his personal life, as we shouldn't, not knowing if he still has his GF or not. He said he doesn't go out with team mates for dinner and goes home, lays down and then does it over again in the morning. That sounds like depression setting in. |
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Mar 28, 2023 19:40:20 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Mar 28, 2023 19:40:20 GMT -6
Yeah I thought I was getting beyond this but found this kind of emotional. I guess you don’t get over possibly not seeing the captain of 3 cup winners and many more seasons play again in Chicago or maybe anywhere. Sounded more like he's going through some bouts of depression. Obviously without knowing his personal life, as we shouldn't, not knowing if he still has his GF or not. He said he doesn't go out with team mates for dinner and goes home, lays down and then does it over again in the morning. That sounds like depression setting in. I’m not going to say I’ve had it worse or anything like that. But I believe I still have symptoms of Covid. I have times where I have zero energy, and work is an afterthought. Sometimes sitting upright for a period of time is a stretch. Just wanna lay down. Then the wife will say I’m lazy and don’t wanna help. But I just can’t .luckily it goes away and life is normal, then all of the sudden I get another bout of zero energy. It’s tough on all aspect of your life. Kids wanna do stuff, and I end up laying there. But it’s been getting less and less. So hopefully Jonny can get past this and live a good life. He’s got enough money for 50 lifetimes!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 28, 2023 22:12:55 GMT -6
I am really really glad I am off on 4/13...
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 28, 2023 22:24:28 GMT -6
I am really really glad I am off on 4/13... even if jonny isn't playing in that game, it will be nice to finally get this season over with and get on with the playoffs. |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 28, 2023 23:03:25 GMT -6
I am really really glad I am off on 4/13... even if jonny isn't playing in that game, it will be nice to finally get this season over with and get on with the playoffs. I'm betting on him playing. |
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Post by steamer on Mar 31, 2023 14:12:27 GMT -6
Apparently he plans to play tomorrow against the Devils. Good news if he’s feeling up to it!
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 31, 2023 14:39:08 GMT -6
Apparently he plans to play tomorrow against the Devils. Good news if he’s feeling up to it! I'm getting the feeling he's going to retire for the health reasons but he wants to say thank you and good bye to the fans. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 31, 2023 19:10:50 GMT -6
Apparently he plans to play tomorrow against the Devils. Good news if he’s feeling up to it! I'm getting the feeling he's going to retire for the health reasons but he wants to say thank you and good bye to the fans. i agree it's a possibility. total speculation here, but does this quote from the coach lend some credence to that theory? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 1, 2023 4:47:22 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Apr 1, 2023 5:32:08 GMT -6
is any team besides the 'hawks going to be willing to sign him this summer? even at the minimum I'm not sure any team is going to want to take a chance on a guy who might not play at all for them... his best bet is to come back to Chicago (if they'll have him, which I believe they would) and try and get back to playing as well as he can and then get traded to a contender at the deadline to attempt one more run at it. if he can't ramp it back up, just play it out in Chicago and retire. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 1, 2023 7:18:29 GMT -6
Apparently he plans to play tomorrow against the Devils. Good news if he’s feeling up to it! great news I get my other hip replaced Wednesday so I am unsure if i will be able to make it to the last game of season. So I am very glad I can see him tonight !!! |
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Apr 1, 2023 7:21:33 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 1, 2023 7:21:33 GMT -6
Apparently he plans to play tomorrow against the Devils. Good news if he’s feeling up to it! great news I get my other hip replaced Wednesday so I am unsure if i will be able to make it to the last game of season. So I am very glad I can see him tonight !!! When do you get your bionic eye installed? Good luck with the 2nd hip...hope it goes as good as the 1st. |
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Apr 1, 2023 7:22:01 GMT -6
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Post by steamer on Apr 1, 2023 7:22:01 GMT -6
Apparently he plans to play tomorrow against the Devils. Good news if he’s feeling up to it! great news I get my other hip replaced Wednesday so I am unsure if i will be able to make it to the last game of season. So I am very glad I can see him tonight !!! Oh man - good luck! Did hip #1 go well? |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 1, 2023 7:22:59 GMT -6
Apparently he plans to play tomorrow against the Devils. Good news if he’s feeling up to it! great news I get my other hip replaced Wednesday so I am unsure if i will be able to make it to the last game of season. So I am very glad I can see him tonight !!! 8 days before the home finale? pfffttt, you'll be fine by then...😜 good luck. get up and move! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 1, 2023 7:28:57 GMT -6
Thanks guys as always hip #1 went well.About 4 months out now. First couple weeks a little rough that's all.
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Post by phill9 on Apr 1, 2023 7:47:38 GMT -6
Thanks guys as always hip #1 went well.About 4 months out now. First couple weeks a little rough that's all. 4 months out? They don't put it inside your body? lol |
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Apr 1, 2023 8:27:27 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Apr 1, 2023 8:27:27 GMT -6
Thanks guys as always hip #1 went well.About 4 months out now. First couple weeks a little rough that's all. Hope you have a speedy recovery buddy!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 1, 2023 11:09:29 GMT -6
is any team besides the 'hawks going to be willing to sign him this summer? even at the minimum I'm not sure any team is going to want to take a chance on a guy who might not play at all for them... his best bet is to come back to Chicago (if they'll have him, which I believe they would) and try and get back to playing as well as he can and then get traded to a contender at the deadline to attempt one more run at it. if he can't ramp it back up, just play it out in Chicago and retire. If he announces he's fit and ready,you don't think a team would even offer a league minimum contract? |
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Post by squishy24 on Apr 1, 2023 13:40:02 GMT -6
I wonder how he defines what a “high-level hockey playing” is |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 1, 2023 13:57:16 GMT -6
I wonder how he defines what a “high-level hockey playing” is I would think like when he came back last time he was playing some of the best he's ever played. He was scoring goals, high faceoff % and defensively top of his game. |
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Apr 1, 2023 14:13:04 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Apr 1, 2023 14:13:04 GMT -6
The one thing that he should keep in mind, and I’m sure he is. Is that he’s pretty much 35. Rounding 36 and trying to combat his illness next season may not be in the plans. I don’t think taking a year off at that age is gonna help at all. Maybe like Yzerman, he can become an assistant GM. Learn the game from the upstairs suits side of things, and be the GM in 10 years.
I don’t know if hoping to play is the best thing for the Captain. I mean missing a full year and now missing a 1/4 season isn’t the best either. I’d love to see him play again, but I’d rather not see him get hurt and have more to worry about!!!
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Apr 1, 2023 15:47:34 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Apr 1, 2023 15:47:34 GMT -6
is any team besides the 'hawks going to be willing to sign him this summer? even at the minimum I'm not sure any team is going to want to take a chance on a guy who might not play at all for them... his best bet is to come back to Chicago (if they'll have him, which I believe they would) and try and get back to playing as well as he can and then get traded to a contender at the deadline to attempt one more run at it. if he can't ramp it back up, just play it out in Chicago and retire. If he announces he's fit and ready,you don't think a team would even offer a league minimum contract? I want to tell you yes, but given the past few years I feel like he would have to show it first. I doubt he signs on with a non-contender and the teams leading the pack frequently are short on cap space. so it feels to me like he would have a hard time getting a deal in, say, Colorado or Toronto without first proving on the ice that he was capable of helping them win. even then, with his relapse this season, there would still be questions. |
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Post by squishy24 on Apr 1, 2023 16:44:34 GMT -6
I wonder how he defines what a “high-level hockey playing” is I would think like when he came back last time he was playing some of the best he's ever played. He was scoring goals, high faceoff % and defensively top of his game. Im thinking the same, but the games played part is a big thing. Its one of the reason why he didnt want to waive his nmc rights during tdl. Someone will pay him maybe 1-2 mil, if he chooses to come back, but i would think there will be a “games played” bonus attached to it. For example, league minimum + 70+ games played will be a bonus of 1mil or something |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 2, 2023 11:23:23 GMT -6
If he announces he's fit and ready,you don't think a team would even offer a league minimum contract? I want to tell you yes, but given the past few years I feel like he would have to show it first. I doubt he signs on with a non-contender and the teams leading the pack frequently are short on cap space. so it feels to me like he would have a hard time getting a deal in, say, Colorado or Toronto without first proving on the ice that he was capable of helping them win. even then, with his relapse this season, there would still be questions. "Showing it" and "proving it on the ice" is what JT's done for 15 years as far as ability and he was playing well this year before a health set-back with a career high in FO%. The ONLY thing he'd have to "show" or "prove" IMO is health to interest many GM's. You still can't say yes to even a minimum contract that a team could easily burry or LTIR if he doesn't work-out? Is it then safe to assume you don't want him back on the cheap if he decided to play next year. Tyler Johnson's half the player who misses half the games to injury........what's he worth? 5M? To me,a good team short on cap-space is the team that could afford to take a chance on JT around the 2-3M mark. If more health issues arise,the team LTIR's his $$$ before the TDL and if healthy could be the signing of the year. JMO. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 2, 2023 14:24:41 GMT -6
I would still offer Toews a two year deal at $3M/year. He won't get a better offer, and I think he'd take it. There are far worse third line centre options (even with the health risks).
Kane's bargaining position is also collapsing. The Rangers the other day (shockingly) did not use him in overtime. If Kane is not a team's go to guy during three on three play, I question how useful he still is to the contending teams looking to go far in tight checking playoff games.
The Hawks might be able to sign him for $5 M/year for two years, and if so, I think it would be worth doing.
Clearly, it would be good for the players (and the agent) and also for the team to go through the UFA process. Until teams start bidding, it might be extremely difficult to determine true market value for either of these guys. Intangibles only count for so much.
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Post by mvr on Apr 2, 2023 14:29:49 GMT -6
My feeling with both Toews and Kane. If you re-sign either or both, you make a commitment (via a NMC) not to force a trade.
If they return, they get to stay until the end of the contract without pressure.
A side note: Kane played 13:45 against Buffalo the other night and was a -2. He played just over 14 minutes against Columbus a few nights earlier. He has 9 points in 15 games since the trade. These are not the kinds of numbers a contending team looking for scoring help would be excited about.
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Post by vadarx on Apr 2, 2023 15:00:38 GMT -6
I want to tell you yes, but given the past few years I feel like he would have to show it first. I doubt he signs on with a non-contender and the teams leading the pack frequently are short on cap space. so it feels to me like he would have a hard time getting a deal in, say, Colorado or Toronto without first proving on the ice that he was capable of helping them win. even then, with his relapse this season, there would still be questions. "Showing it" and "proving it on the ice" is what JT's done for 15 years as far as ability and he was playing well this year before a health set-back with a career high in FO%. The ONLY thing he'd have to "show" or "prove" IMO is health to interest many GM's. You still can't say yes to even a minimum contract that a team could easily burry or LTIR if he doesn't work-out? Is it then safe to assume you don't want him back on the cheap if he decided to play next year. Tyler Johnson's half the player who misses half the games to injury........what's he worth? 5M? To me,a good team short on cap-space is the team that could afford to take a chance on JT around the 2-3M mark. If more health issues arise,the team LTIR's his $$$ before the TDL and if healthy could be the signing of the year. JMO. I've already stated here, on many occasions, that Toews should be given a lifetime deal in Chicago. with our cap floor concerns next year, we could overpay him and then stick him on IR if he had another relapse. if he is good with mentoring guys then he is good for the rebuild, imo. that being said, it is up to him whether he wants to just play or if he wants to play and win. if he wants the latter, he is going to have to go elsewhere. there will be trade offs either way. had he made it through this season without issue, I would agree with you that teams would be interested this summer. but he didn't and now he is going to face a lot of questioning should he explore free agency, which is surely going to be frustrating for him. he has a lot of questions to answer himself before it gets to that point, though. edit: to clarify, I do think there will be some interest this summer, but not without a lot of questioning of his abilities. I also admit to some bias, in that I do not want to see him playing anywhere else and hope he retires as a Blackhawk. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 2, 2023 15:08:11 GMT -6
My feeling with both Toews and Kane. If you re-sign either or both, you make a commitment (via a NMC) not to force a trade. If they return, they get to stay until the end of the contract without pressure. A side note: Kane played 13:45 against Buffalo the other night and was a -2. He played just over 14 minutes against Columbus a few nights earlier. He has 9 points in 15 games since the trade. These are not the kinds of numbers a contending team looking for scoring help would be excited about. I do not believe either are coming back. It’s over. We have to move on. They offer nothing to this team at this point, maybe help reaching the cap floor. But I think the fan base has a lot to look forward to after this draft. A lot. If Bedard is in the Hawks plans, that’s the future. They should allowed to carve their own path, without any worry of living up to past legends. Just like Toews and Kane had. T Johnson is a great leader too. There’s plenty of leaders around the league. Hawks need at least another year to round out the bottom to stock pile some higher picks again. It’s just best to look forward to the future. It’s almost here. Let the new wave of kids have their fresh start. And I’m pretty sure that’s what the org will do!!! |
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