Toews

[mvr]

Apr 2, 2023 15:08:11 GMT -6 BigT said:

Apr 2, 2023 14:29:49 GMT -6 mvr said:

My feeling with both Toews and Kane. If you re-sign either or both, you make a commitment (via a NMC) not to force a trade.

If they return, they get to stay until the end of the contract without pressure.

A side note:   Kane played 13:45 against Buffalo the other night and was a -2.    He played just over 14 minutes against Columbus a few nights earlier.   He has 9 points in 15 games since the trade.    These are not the kinds of numbers a contending team looking for scoring help would be excited about.

I do not believe either are coming back. It’s over. We have to move on. They offer nothing to this team at this point, maybe help reaching the cap floor. But I think the fan base has a lot to look forward to after this draft. A lot. If Bedard is in the Hawks plans, that’s the future. They should allowed to carve their own path, without any worry of living up to past legends. Just like Toews and Kane had. T Johnson is a great leader too. There’s plenty of leaders around the league. Hawks need at least another year to round out the bottom to stock pile some higher picks again.

It’s just best to look forward to the future. It’s almost here. Let the new wave of kids have their fresh start. And I’m pretty sure that’s what the org will do!!!

I understand this position.   But I also see how the coach chooses to ease in the kids slowly.   There are worse veterans to sign short term, and the Hawks have few forward prospects even close to being ready to play next year.   If I am to choose one or the other, I believe Toews is the better fit for a rebuilding team.

Davidson also still needs to get back up to the cap floor.   My guess is he trades for an unwanted contract or two as part of that process.  I believe it would be best to buyout both Zaitsev and Mrazek this summer.   Veterans who provide neither stability nor veteran intangibles are not worth keeping.  

[vadarx]

Apr 2, 2023 15:08:11 GMT -6 BigT said:

Apr 2, 2023 14:29:49 GMT -6 mvr said:

My feeling with both Toews and Kane. If you re-sign either or both, you make a commitment (via a NMC) not to force a trade.

If they return, they get to stay until the end of the contract without pressure.

A side note:   Kane played 13:45 against Buffalo the other night and was a -2.    He played just over 14 minutes against Columbus a few nights earlier.   He has 9 points in 15 games since the trade.    These are not the kinds of numbers a contending team looking for scoring help would be excited about.

I do not believe either are coming back. It’s over. We have to move on. They offer nothing to this team at this point, maybe help reaching the cap floor. But I think the fan base has a lot to look forward to after this draft. A lot. If Bedard is in the Hawks plans, that’s the future. They should allowed to carve their own path, without any worry of living up to past legends. Just like Toews and Kane had. T Johnson is a great leader too. There’s plenty of leaders around the league. Hawks need at least another year to round out the bottom to stock pile some higher picks again.

It’s just best to look forward to the future. It’s almost here. Let the new wave of kids have their fresh start. And I’m pretty sure that’s what the org will do!!!

I disagree that Toews has nothing to offer. he offers plenty in regards to helping the young guys become professionals, on ice instruction, and perseverance.

everyone knows he isn't what he was, I don't see a problem with guys feeling like they have to live up to him and even if they did, I don't think it would be a bad thing. he would also relieve some of the pressure on those young guys by remaining The Face for a season or two.

I agree on Kane, though. I don't believe he comes back, except on a one day deal to retire as a Blackhawk.

[steamer]

I am open to either or both coming back and think they could be helpful over the next 2 years to offer some veteran leadership. It’s unclear to me whether they have an interest in being here though.

[BigT]

Apr 2, 2023 15:32:04 GMT -6 vadarx said:

Apr 2, 2023 15:08:11 GMT -6 BigT said:

I do not believe either are coming back. It’s over. We have to move on. They offer nothing to this team at this point, maybe help reaching the cap floor. But I think the fan base has a lot to look forward to after this draft. A lot. If Bedard is in the Hawks plans, that’s the future. They should allowed to carve their own path, without any worry of living up to past legends. Just like Toews and Kane had. T Johnson is a great leader too. There’s plenty of leaders around the league. Hawks need at least another year to round out the bottom to stock pile some higher picks again.

It’s just best to look forward to the future. It’s almost here. Let the new wave of kids have their fresh start. And I’m pretty sure that’s what the org will do!!!

I disagree that Toews has nothing to offer. he offers plenty in regards to helping the young guys become professionals, on ice instruction, and perseverance.

everyone knows he isn't what he was, I don't see a problem with guys feeling like they have to live up to him and even if they did, I don't think it would be a bad thing. he would also relieve some of the pressure on those young guys by remaining The Face for a season or two.

I agree on Kane, though. I don't believe he comes back, except on a one day deal to retire as a Blackhawk.

Zawaski has said repeatedly that they ain’t coming back. I agree with his reasons too. He also seems to have input from the Hawks. A lot of it. So I think for now I’ll believe him until he seems untrue. I’ve always been a fan of JayZ. He has said many times that Kane is not coming back and Toews more than likely retires. And if he doesn’t, the Hawks won’t be involved!!!

[BigT]

Apr 2, 2023 15:22:25 GMT -6 mvr said:

Apr 2, 2023 15:08:11 GMT -6 BigT said:

I do not believe either are coming back. It’s over. We have to move on. They offer nothing to this team at this point, maybe help reaching the cap floor. But I think the fan base has a lot to look forward to after this draft. A lot. If Bedard is in the Hawks plans, that’s the future. They should allowed to carve their own path, without any worry of living up to past legends. Just like Toews and Kane had. T Johnson is a great leader too. There’s plenty of leaders around the league. Hawks need at least another year to round out the bottom to stock pile some higher picks again.

It’s just best to look forward to the future. It’s almost here. Let the new wave of kids have their fresh start. And I’m pretty sure that’s what the org will do!!!

I understand this position.   But I also see how the coach chooses to ease in the kids slowly.   There are worse veterans to sign short term, and the Hawks have few forward prospects even close to being ready to play next year.   If I am to choose one or the other, I believe Toews is the better fit for a rebuilding team.

Davidson also still needs to get back up to the cap floor.   My guess is he trades for an unwanted contract or two as part of that process.  I believe it would be best to buyout both Zaitsev and Mrazek this summer.   Veterans who provide neither stability nor veteran intangibles are not worth keeping.  

We also have to realize that if the Hawks get Bedard. They’re gonna more than likely bring in some decent vet help. Probably on the shorter term. Like 3-4 year deals. But they’ll have to spend a bit. Is Fantilli going to be ready? I don’t know what another year in the NCAA will do for him. He had 64 points in 35 games. He’s probably nhl ready too. So he’ll need someone to play with. I just don’t see what bringing back the duo will do!!!

[vadarx]

Apr 2, 2023 16:21:52 GMT -6 BigT said:

Apr 2, 2023 15:32:04 GMT -6 vadarx said:

I disagree that Toews has nothing to offer. he offers plenty in regards to helping the young guys become professionals, on ice instruction, and perseverance.

everyone knows he isn't what he was, I don't see a problem with guys feeling like they have to live up to him and even if they did, I don't think it would be a bad thing. he would also relieve some of the pressure on those young guys by remaining The Face for a season or two.

I agree on Kane, though. I don't believe he comes back, except on a one day deal to retire as a Blackhawk.

Zawaski has said repeatedly that they ain’t coming back. I agree with his reasons too. He also seems to have input from the Hawks. A lot of it. So I think for now I’ll believe him until he seems untrue. I’ve always been a fan of JayZ. He has said many times that Kane is not coming back and Toews more than likely retires. And if he doesn’t, the Hawks won’t be involved!!!

if he is right about Toews and the 'hawks lacking interest if he decides not to hang em up, then KD's shine will lessen for me. if he wants to come back, you bring him back.

[mvr]

Apr 2, 2023 16:29:28 GMT -6 BigT said:

Apr 2, 2023 15:22:25 GMT -6 mvr said:

I understand this position.   But I also see how the coach chooses to ease in the kids slowly.   There are worse veterans to sign short term, and the Hawks have few forward prospects even close to being ready to play next year.   If I am to choose one or the other, I believe Toews is the better fit for a rebuilding team.

Davidson also still needs to get back up to the cap floor.   My guess is he trades for an unwanted contract or two as part of that process.  I believe it would be best to buyout both Zaitsev and Mrazek this summer.   Veterans who provide neither stability nor veteran intangibles are not worth keeping.  

We also have to realize that if the Hawks get Bedard. They’re gonna more than likely bring in some decent vet help. Probably on the shorter term. Like 3-4 year deals. But they’ll have to spend a bit. Is Fantilli going to be ready? I don’t know what another year in the NCAA will do for him. He had 64 points in 35 games. He’s probably nhl ready too. So he’ll need someone to play with. I just don’t see what bringing back the duo will do!!!

There is no reason why that "decent vet help...probably on the shorter term" could not be Toews and possibly Kane.   

If the Hawks do land Fantilli or Bedard (or Carlsson) who would be a better choice to play with short term than Patrick Kane?   He does have that history of helping break in young players on his line (notably Panarin and Debrincat among others).    To my mind, Toews is a much better choice than someone like Domi for the second/third line, if for no other reason than because the captain can slide into a checking role.

I for one am now quite optimistic that one or both circles back and re-signs here short term over the summer at a very cap friendly deal.   The UFA market for both players has pretty much evaporated.   Neither will be able to command much salary or term.  Clearly, most of the contenders are not interested, considering how Brisson failed to find a contract for Kane this spring.  The Hawks are one of the few teams with real cap space to work with.  If Chicago does land one of the very high picks, there could be an incentive for the players to return.

[bigbarn27]

Apr 2, 2023 15:08:11 GMT -6 BigT said:

Apr 2, 2023 14:29:49 GMT -6 mvr said:

My feeling with both Toews and Kane. If you re-sign either or both, you make a commitment (via a NMC) not to force a trade.

If they return, they get to stay until the end of the contract without pressure.

A side note:   Kane played 13:45 against Buffalo the other night and was a -2.    He played just over 14 minutes against Columbus a few nights earlier.   He has 9 points in 15 games since the trade.    These are not the kinds of numbers a contending team looking for scoring help would be excited about.

I do not believe either are coming back. It’s over. We have to move on. They offer nothing to this team at this point, maybe help reaching the cap floor. But I think the fan base has a lot to look forward to after this draft. A lot. If Bedard is in the Hawks plans, that’s the future. They should allowed to carve their own path, without any worry of living up to past legends. Just like Toews and Kane had. T Johnson is a great leader too. There’s plenty of leaders around the league. Hawks need at least another year to round out the bottom to stock pile some higher picks again.

It’s just best to look forward to the future. It’s almost here. Let the new wave of kids have their fresh start. And I’m pretty sure that’s what the org will do!!!

T I agree with you neither will be back KD has been hoping to get rid of them since the draft. But nothing to offer I dont  agree. Fan base has a lot to look forward to all fan bases have a lot to look forward to after draft. Worry about past legends? I have watched enough of CB and Fantilli to see that wont bother them a bit in fact the only one I see worried about living up to past legends is KD.
So you  want these kids to have it like Kane and Toews had it so we wait 49 years You dont think Fantilli could learn some things from 19 about winning 1 on 1 battles? You dont think Lucas would be helped by playing with 88??  While watching the 3rd against the devils there 3rd biggest offensive threat was a guy who did not play the last 27 games and he is out there busting his ass and you think he has nothing to offer this team I disagree. JMO

[galaxytrash]

Apr 2, 2023 18:09:53 GMT -6 vadarx said:

Apr 2, 2023 16:21:52 GMT -6 BigT said:

Zawaski has said repeatedly that they ain’t coming back. I agree with his reasons too. He also seems to have input from the Hawks. A lot of it. So I think for now I’ll believe him until he seems untrue. I’ve always been a fan of JayZ. He has said many times that Kane is not coming back and Toews more than likely retires. And if he doesn’t, the Hawks won’t be involved!!!

if he is right about Toews and the 'hawks lacking interest if he decides not to hang em up, then KD's shine will lessen for me. if he wants to come back, you bring him back.

quite certain davidson was real keen on getting rid of the captain at the trade deadline, but then the illness flared up again and his plans were thwarted. old news.

so now...if jonny bounces back, we have the chance to sign him at a very friendly contract with equally friendly term.

i think zawaski has a pretty good finger on the pulse of this team but i disagree with him on jonny 100% not coming back.

i agree with you. if he is able to come back (and wants to) there is no way davidson should say no. it just makes too much sense for him to stay here, unless he wants to move on. but my gut tells me he will stay here...and you don't want to argue with this gut.

[hsbob]

Apr 2, 2023 15:00:38 GMT -6 vadarx said:

Apr 2, 2023 11:23:23 GMT -6 hsbob said:

"Showing it" and "proving it on the ice" is what JT's done for 15 years as far as ability and he was playing well this year before a health set-back with a career high in FO%. The ONLY thing he'd have to "show" or "prove" IMO is health to interest many GM's.

You still can't say yes to even a minimum contract that a team could easily burry or LTIR if he doesn't work-out? Is it then safe to assume you don't want him back on the cheap if he decided to play next year. Tyler Johnson's half the player who misses half the games to injury........what's he worth? 5M?

To me,a good team short on cap-space is the team that could afford to take a chance on JT around the 2-3M mark. If more health issues arise,the team LTIR's his $$$ before the TDL and if healthy could be the signing of the year. JMO.

I've already stated here, on many occasions, that Toews should be given a lifetime deal in Chicago. with our cap floor concerns next year, we could overpay him and then stick him on IR if he had another relapse. if he is good with mentoring guys then he is good for the rebuild, imo.

that being said, it is up to him whether he wants to just play or if he wants to play and win. if he wants the latter, he is going to have to go elsewhere. there will be trade offs either way.

had he made it through this season without issue, I would agree with you that teams would be interested this summer. but he didn't and now he is going to face a lot of questioning should he explore free agency, which is surely going to be frustrating for him. he has a lot of questions to answer himself before it gets to that point, though.

edit: to clarify, I do think there will be some interest this summer, but not without a lot of questioning of his abilities. I also admit to some bias, in that I do not want to see him playing anywhere else and hope he retires as a Blackhawk.

Thanks for the clarification my friend. There's no doubt his health issues greatly affect his value but there's three months till UFA season starts and if JT declares himself healthy and fit,I believe interest will follow. A reoccurring health issue will always be a concern though,even if he declares he's healthy,that's why I see no more than 2-3M for 2 years at most. When healthy,I still believe his ability speaks for itself. He was on a 25 goal pace and winning draws at a career high before his recent set-back.

Is that trigger finger getting 'twitchy' yet? Six weeks till I can pound em out on Big Winnie and I got a new Musky 'hole' that takes to trollin' real well.  

[hsbob]

Apr 2, 2023 15:08:11 GMT -6 BigT said:

Apr 2, 2023 14:29:49 GMT -6 mvr said:

My feeling with both Toews and Kane. If you re-sign either or both, you make a commitment (via a NMC) not to force a trade.

If they return, they get to stay until the end of the contract without pressure.

A side note:   Kane played 13:45 against Buffalo the other night and was a -2.    He played just over 14 minutes against Columbus a few nights earlier.   He has 9 points in 15 games since the trade.    These are not the kinds of numbers a contending team looking for scoring help would be excited about.

I do not believe either are coming back. It’s over. We have to move on. They offer nothing to this team at this point, maybe help reaching the cap floor. But I think the fan base has a lot to look forward to after this draft. A lot. If Bedard is in the Hawks plans, that’s the future. They should allowed to carve their own path, without any worry of living up to past legends. Just like Toews and Kane had. T Johnson is a great leader too. There’s plenty of leaders around the league. Hawks need at least another year to round out the bottom to stock pile some higher picks again.

It’s just best to look forward to the future. It’s almost here. Let the new wave of kids have their fresh start. And I’m pretty sure that’s what the org will do!!!

Kane and Toews offer "nothing" to this team but a 5M per,injured half the time T Johnson is a great leader?

[LordKOTL]

One key fact about Toews is that he'll be on a 35+ deal if he continues playing.

The 'hawks may not have cap issues, but anything with term can hurt if he is buried or retires.

I don't have an issue with him coming back, but I think that has to be taken into consideration. I don't think Kane will be back, but we could do worse than Towes in terms of vet presence.

[steamer]

I don’t see that KD was interested in ridding the team of K and T. His goal was to amass draft picks and if he could have traded a healthy Toews for something decent - and if Toews agreed - he certainly would have been eager to do that. But I don’t see a door slamming on these two. So far the org (and it may becoming down from the top) has tried to accommodate both players and I think that is likely to continue. I think both players could help with developing the young guys coming up and provide some organizational continuity that signing other free agents would not.

[Tater]

Just to lighten things up a bit:

   

[hsbob]

Apr 3, 2023 9:59:26 GMT -6 steamer said:

I don’t see that KD was interested in ridding the team of K and T. His goal was to amass draft picks and if he could have traded a healthy Toews for something decent - and if Toews agreed - he certainly would have been eager to do that. But I don’t see a door slamming on these two. So far the org (and it may becoming down from the top) has tried to accommodate both players and I think that is likely to continue. I think both players could help with developing the young guys coming up and provide some organizational continuity that signing other free agents would not.

Can't forget the 'asses in seats' perspective from ownership either,a lot of people will want to bring their kids to see a 'legend' one last time,maybe two and maybe buy a jersey when they're there. The one thing that I fear if attendance craters is ownership wanting kids as draws before they're ready.

[hsbob]

Apr 3, 2023 10:08:44 GMT -6 Tater said:

Just to lighten things up a bit:

   

Looks more like 'saddle bags' to me!LOFL!!!

[BigT]

Apr 3, 2023 9:12:18 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Apr 2, 2023 15:08:11 GMT -6 BigT said:

I do not believe either are coming back. It’s over. We have to move on. They offer nothing to this team at this point, maybe help reaching the cap floor. But I think the fan base has a lot to look forward to after this draft. A lot. If Bedard is in the Hawks plans, that’s the future. They should allowed to carve their own path, without any worry of living up to past legends. Just like Toews and Kane had. T Johnson is a great leader too. There’s plenty of leaders around the league. Hawks need at least another year to round out the bottom to stock pile some higher picks again.

It’s just best to look forward to the future. It’s almost here. Let the new wave of kids have their fresh start. And I’m pretty sure that’s what the org will do!!!

Kane and Toews offer "nothing" to this team but a 5M per,injured half the time T Johnson is a great leader?

Why not? The team is rebuilding. They do not have a need for a legend. I get it. I get the emotional attachment from the fans. But KD looks to making his own claim here. “Ripping the band aid off” so to speak.

What does 19/88 offer besides nostalgia? The team is rebuilding and doesn’t need to be picking at 9-10-11 etc. If we know this, then I’m sure management knows this. The Hawks have no need for nostalgia at this point!!!

[LordKOTL]

Apr 3, 2023 10:25:19 GMT -6 BigT said:

Apr 3, 2023 9:12:18 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Kane and Toews offer "nothing" to this team but a 5M per,injured half the time T Johnson is a great leader?

Why not? The team is rebuilding. They do not have a need for a legend. I get it. I get the emotional attachment from the fans. But KD looks to making his own claim here. “Ripping the band aid off” so to speak.

What does 19/88 offer besides nostalgia? The team is rebuilding and doesn’t need to be picking at 9-10-11 etc. If we know this, then I’m sure management knows this. The Hawks have no need for nostalgia at this point!!!

Looking at what Toews brings in a vacuum; we could do worse than him as a vet center to bring a kid along. I think that has to he the optic: how do we fill the lineup to ensure the best development while balancing out cap and future cap management. Couple that with the financial issues as well.

Johnson could work, but so could Toews. Is there need for both? Can we move on from either of needs be? How bad would attendance and beer sales be hit if we lose Toews? What is the development of our center depth at the start of next year? Could the cap for either (or both) be better spent weaponizing cap?

There's a ton to consider. I'm okay either way: if Toews moves on (even with another team) or if he stays.

[hsbob]

Apr 3, 2023 10:25:19 GMT -6 BigT said:

Apr 3, 2023 9:12:18 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Kane and Toews offer "nothing" to this team but a 5M per,injured half the time T Johnson is a great leader?

Why not? The team is rebuilding. They do not have a need for a legend. I get it. I get the emotional attachment from the fans. But KD looks to making his own claim here. “Ripping the band aid off” so to speak.

What does 19/88 offer besides nostalgia? The team is rebuilding and doesn’t need to be picking at 9-10-11 etc. If we know this, then I’m sure management knows this. The Hawks have no need for nostalgia at this point!!!

KD could be a 'band-aid' that gets ripped off too if things don't go well.........1st time GM's and HC's are always easy to blame and rarely finish the rebuilds they start.

It's not about emotional attachment,experienced, accomplished players have a LOT to offer inexperienced kids as mentors unless your podcaster buddy has convinced you Kane are Toews are worthless as mentors too.

Referring to the greatest era of Chicago hockey by MILES and the two players responsible for it as just 'nostalgia' shows a lack of appreciation but that's the norm today........why respect anybody or anything?
What does Tyler Johnson have to offer other than showing kids how to play half the games and STEAL 5M a year from a floundering franchise?

I dunno about you but those three cups left a good taste in MY mouth.........those were claims worth making.

[mvr]

There are three key pieces any team needs in a rebuild.

1) A capable checking centre who can match up against the other team's best players and keep the score from getting out of hand. Toews is still good for 15 minutes a game most nights and can deliver in the faceoff circle. He is actually perfect for the role provided he still has the energy.

2) A top end defenceman who can munch the minutes and play with anyone. The Hawks have Seth Jones.

3) A scoring threat for the top six to provide some scoring punch while the kids get their feet wet. Why not Kane if he is willing?

During the last rebuild, the team had Aucoin as the go to defenceman (when he wasn't hurt). Zhamnov handled the centre position for most of the down years. Havlat (when he wasn't hurt) came in and provided some offence.

[mvr]

I can't speak for Big T, but my assumption is that he remains concerned that bringing back Toews and Kane ruins the likelihood of the Hawks tanking beyond this year.

My feeling is that neither is capable any longer of providing that kind of impact. The team is likely going to finish in the bottom five next year and perhaps the year after even with a fully engaged Kane and Toews. Both are well beyond their best years.

Perhaps a better way to ensure another "tank" season is to trade Connor Murphy this summer. To my mind, Murphy provides more consistent impact at this stage than either Kane or Toews. His continued presence, however, blocks the path of several of the young kids who need to get their feet wet. Murphy's trade value will never be much higher than right now, though my guess is that he is not worth much.

[steamer]

Maybe Big T is thinking Hawks get Bedard and him playing with K and T and Reichel start to move the team north a bit out of the bottom 5?

[BigT]

Apr 3, 2023 11:45:01 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Apr 3, 2023 10:25:19 GMT -6 BigT said:

Why not? The team is rebuilding. They do not have a need for a legend. I get it. I get the emotional attachment from the fans. But KD looks to making his own claim here. “Ripping the band aid off” so to speak.

What does 19/88 offer besides nostalgia? The team is rebuilding and doesn’t need to be picking at 9-10-11 etc. If we know this, then I’m sure management knows this. The Hawks have no need for nostalgia at this point!!!

Looking at what Toews brings in a vacuum; we could do worse than him as a vet center to bring a kid along. I think that has to he the optic: how do we fill the lineup to ensure the best development while balancing out cap and future cap management. Couple that with the financial issues as well.

Johnson could work, but so could Toews. Is there need for both? Can we move on from either of needs be? How bad would attendance and beer sales be hit if we lose Toews? What is the development of our center depth at the start of next year? Could the cap for either (or both) be better spent weaponizing cap?

There's a ton to consider. I'm okay either way: if Toews moves on (even with another team) or if he stays.

The last thing I’ll say on this is that it would be very very tough for an incoming kid to lead in a room with Toews or Kane there. It would be their room and everyone knows that. I would be very surprised if either comes back. I don’t think KD is like the last guy with respect to all the retreads!!!

Edit: Also look at Ottawa. If Alfredsson was still there, it would be hard for Brady to lead and take control of that room. And it would damper his growth as a leader. Toews had the luxury of being himself and not having to walk a fine line with the last heroes. It’s tough for a young kid coming in to deal with that. Plus I’ve also heard that anyone from the last era they want long gone!!!

[mvr]

Apr 3, 2023 14:55:41 GMT -6 BigT said:

Apr 3, 2023 11:45:01 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Looking at what Toews brings in a vacuum; we could do worse than him as a vet center to bring a kid along. I think that has to he the optic: how do we fill the lineup to ensure the best development while balancing out cap and future cap management. Couple that with the financial issues as well.

Johnson could work, but so could Toews. Is there need for both? Can we move on from either of needs be? How bad would attendance and beer sales be hit if we lose Toews? What is the development of our center depth at the start of next year? Could the cap for either (or both) be better spent weaponizing cap?

There's a ton to consider. I'm okay either way: if Toews moves on (even with another team) or if he stays.

The last thing I’ll say on this is that it would be very very tough for an incoming kid to lead in a room with Toews or Kane there. It would be their room and everyone knows that. I would be very surprised if either comes back. I don’t think KD is like the last guy with respect to all the retreads!!!

Edit: Also look at Ottawa. If Alfredsson was still there, it would be hard for Brady to lead and take control of that room. And it would damper his growth as a leader. Toews had the luxury of being himself and not having to walk a fine line with the last heroes. It’s tough for a young kid coming in to deal with that. Plus I’ve also heard that anyone from the last era they want long gone!!!

This is an issue of legitimate concern three or four years from now.   But Reichel is 20, and he is likely the oldest of the future core.

[T-man2010]

If anyone thinks the Hawks plan A is getting Bedard, they best start with plan B, C, D first.

I really don't see the Hawks getting the kid and am not planning on getting a new sweater any time soon.

Especially a Fanatics jersey. They suck.

[phill9]

Apr 3, 2023 17:15:45 GMT -6 T-man2010 said:

If anyone thinks the Hawks plan A is getting Bedard, they best start with plan B, C, D first.

I really don't see the Hawks getting the kid and am not planning on getting a new sweater any time soon.

Especially a Fanatics jersey. They suck.

All I wanted is the best odds of getting him. That's why I got so pissed when they went on that points streak. I'll feel better if the Hawks finish with the worst record and don't get Bedard then I would if they moved up in the standings to diminish their odds. Obviously that's not saying I don't want Bedard. I still have a feeling somehow Arizona gets him.

[BigT]

Apr 3, 2023 17:15:45 GMT -6 T-man2010 said:

If anyone thinks the Hawks plan A is getting Bedard, they best start with plan B, C, D first.

I really don't see the Hawks getting the kid and am not planning on getting a new sweater any time soon.

Especially a Fanatics jersey. They suck.

I’ll take the odds, and the shot at Fantilli or Carlsson. That’s my way of looking at it!!!

[LordKOTL]

Apr 3, 2023 14:55:41 GMT -6 BigT said:

Apr 3, 2023 11:45:01 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Looking at what Toews brings in a vacuum; we could do worse than him as a vet center to bring a kid along. I think that has to he the optic: how do we fill the lineup to ensure the best development while balancing out cap and future cap management. Couple that with the financial issues as well.

Johnson could work, but so could Toews. Is there need for both? Can we move on from either of needs be? How bad would attendance and beer sales be hit if we lose Toews? What is the development of our center depth at the start of next year? Could the cap for either (or both) be better spent weaponizing cap?

There's a ton to consider. I'm okay either way: if Toews moves on (even with another team) or if he stays.

The last thing I’ll say on this is that it would be very very tough for an incoming kid to lead in a room with Toews or Kane there. It would be their room and everyone knows that. I would be very surprised if either comes back. I don’t think KD is like the last guy with respect to all the retreads!!!

Edit: Also look at Ottawa. If Alfredsson was still there, it would be hard for Brady to lead and take control of that room. And it would damper his growth as a leader. Toews had the luxury of being himself and not having to walk a fine line with the last heroes. It’s tough for a young kid coming in to deal with that. Plus I’ve also heard that anyone from the last era they want long gone!!!

The same could have been said about Aucoin, Lapointe, Lang, etc.

I'm not advocating Toews signed until he's 40. But if it's a 1yr deal I think it will be okay for the transition, as long as he isn't run roughshod. But if he pays ways, that's okay, too.

[vadarx]

Apr 3, 2023 17:15:45 GMT -6 T-man2010 said:

If anyone thinks the Hawks plan A is getting Bedard, they best start with plan B, C, D first.

I really don't see the Hawks getting the kid and am not planning on getting a new sweater any time soon.

Especially a Fanatics jersey. They suck.

you ain't kidding. I was hoping once adidas was gone that actual authentic sweaters would be easy to get again. instead we get shitty fanatics sweaters for another decade probably and the only way to get one that isn't a piece of shit is gonna be via the team. and the 'hawks are not one of the few teams that actually order them and make the available to fans...

[T-man2010]

Apr 3, 2023 22:00:37 GMT -6 vadarx said:

Apr 3, 2023 17:15:45 GMT -6 T-man2010 said:

If anyone thinks the Hawks plan A is getting Bedard, they best start with plan B, C, D first.

I really don't see the Hawks getting the kid and am not planning on getting a new sweater any time soon.

Especially a Fanatics jersey. They suck.

you ain't kidding. I was hoping once adidas was gone that actual authentic sweaters would be easy to get again. instead we get shitty fanatics sweaters for another decade probably and the only way to get one that isn't a piece of shit is gonna be via the team. and the 'hawks are not one of the few teams that actually order them and make the available to fans...

I'll just go to Gunzo's and buy an old CCM blank one and have them add the name and number.