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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 14, 2023 21:56:38 GMT -6
If his asking price or duration was unpalatable, then yeah, don't bring him back. I hate to say it but it's the truth. If Toews wanted a deal that would have been muti-year at a significant chunk of leftover cap then yeah, it was time to part ways. If not--if it was low-cap and short duration then we could certainly have done WORSE than Toews...as long as it's understood that he won't be *the* guy. But yeah, I do have this feeling that Toews is going to hang 'em up...and I think it would be the best for him and his legacy. or anything. I think they just wanted to get it over with and be done with it, rather than wait to see what Tazer decides this summer. now there is nothing hanging over the team, except that they suck. now, ALL eyes are on Kyle. I'm hoping he turns out to be a good one. I still don't agree with the move, but I get it. That we know of. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. I think if the subject wasn't broached by KS, or even Stan before him about what the plans are after K&T's deals were over (as well as every other core player), then they weren't doing their jobs. If KD didn't at least touch base with Toews before the TDL then year, he failed at his job. But, I got this niggling feeling that the subject was breached, and someone--KD, T&R's agent, or they themselves just kicked the can down the road. Also...they suck now? The team has de facto sucked since they embarrassed themselves against the Predators back in 2017. But yeah, I hope Kyle is a good one. We'll see as things pan out. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 14, 2023 22:28:18 GMT -6
there was no negotiation or talks or anything. I think they just wanted to get it over with and be done with it, rather than wait to see what Tazer decides this summer. now there is nothing hanging over the team, except that they suck. now, ALL eyes are on Kyle. I'm hoping he turns out to be a good one. I still don't agree with the move, but I get it. That we know of. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. I think if the subject wasn't broached by KS, or even Stan before him about what the plans are after K&T's deals were over (as well as every other core player), then they weren't doing their jobs. If KD didn't at least touch base with Toews before the TDL then year, he failed at his job. But, I got this niggling feeling that the subject was breached, and someone--KD, T&R's agent, or they themselves just kicked the can down the road. Also...they suck now? The team has de facto sucked since they embarrassed themselves against the Predators back in 2017. But yeah, I hope Kyle is a good one. We'll see as things pan out. the sucking didn't just begin, but now there aren't any expensive players left for the casual fan to blame it on, so KD is now in the crosshairs... |
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Post by BigT on Apr 15, 2023 7:13:29 GMT -6
Life’s a lot tougher without top picks. If KD picks 4-5. He won’t be around very long. Good players save GMs asses. If all he has is a litany of decent to good players. You’ll be Nashville. And that won’t cut it. Gotta have the top picks to get anywhere. Every Cup winner has the coveted top picks in them. Usually multiple.
I’m still rooting for him. But gawd dam was this a wasted opportunity. It really was. And at some point in the next 2 years. The org has to assess where they’re at in terms of building this up. And at that point, may need some experience to take this home!!!
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Post by steamer on Apr 15, 2023 7:34:22 GMT -6
Life’s a lot tougher without top picks. If KD picks 4-5. He won’t be around very long. Good players save GMs asses. If all he has is a litany of decent to good players. You’ll be Nashville. And that won’t cut it. Gotta have the top picks to get anywhere. Every Cup winner has the coveted top picks in them. Usually multiple. I’m still rooting for him. But gawd dam was this a wasted opportunity. It really was. And at some point in the next 2 years. The org has to assess where they’re at in terms of building this up. And at that point, may need some experience to take this home!!! The Bruins have assembled a good team without having any top picks. Good management? Luck? Edit: they got Taylor Hall via trade. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 15, 2023 7:37:00 GMT -6
Life’s a lot tougher without top picks. If KD picks 4-5. He won’t be around very long. Good players save GMs asses. If all he has is a litany of decent to good players. You’ll be Nashville. And that won’t cut it. Gotta have the top picks to get anywhere. Every Cup winner has the coveted top picks in them. Usually multiple. I’m still rooting for him. But gawd dam was this a wasted opportunity. It really was. And at some point in the next 2 years. The org has to assess where they’re at in terms of building this up. And at that point, may need some experience to take this home!!! I could list the players taken @ 4-5 after teams took guys that flamed out in the 2-3 range, but I'd be here typing shit for a while. we need the top pick to get the top guy. otherwise, the onus is not on where we pick, but on the scouting staff to identify players that are hits and not misses. in 2015, the yotes took Strome 3rd and the loafs got Marner with the next pick. in 2016, the Flames got Tkachuk at 6 after a couple guys were taken ahead of him that are either not playing in the league or barely. just a couple examples. so then, IF Plan A doesn't work, ie we pick first or second and get a no-brainer, the scouting staff better be ready to pick the next best player, be that Barlow or Carlson or Michkov or Smith, etc, etc... this draft is supposed to be very deep and we have 6 picks in the top 60, time for the scouting department to do their job. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 15, 2023 8:12:21 GMT -6
Life’s a lot tougher without top picks. If KD picks 4-5. He won’t be around very long. Good players save GMs asses. If all he has is a litany of decent to good players. You’ll be Nashville. And that won’t cut it. Gotta have the top picks to get anywhere. Every Cup winner has the coveted top picks in them. Usually multiple. I’m still rooting for him. But gawd dam was this a wasted opportunity. It really was. And at some point in the next 2 years. The org has to assess where they’re at in terms of building this up. And at that point, may need some experience to take this home!!! The Bruins have assembled a good team without having any top picks. Good management? Luck? Edit: they got Taylor Hall via trade. They’ve got a lot of experience in their front office. In 2015 the Bruins made a wise choice to get rid of all fringe expensive players. Like Lucic, Seidenberg etc. everyone ripped them. They took 2-3 years to draft, develop and get their cap under control. And they’ve been really competitive since. They drafted Debrusk, McAvoy, Carlo, Pastrnak and a litany of other players that made it to the nhl and were used for trades such as Ryan Lindgren. He’s on the top pair with the Rags. So the Bruins over the last 7-8 years have done the right things. Having Cam Neely on the management team is a great thing!!! |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 15, 2023 9:48:55 GMT -6
The Bruins have assembled a good team without having any top picks. Good management? Luck? Edit: they got Taylor Hall via trade. They’ve got a lot of experience in their front office. In 2015 the Bruins made a wise choice to get rid of all fringe expensive players. Like Lucic, Seidenberg etc. everyone ripped them. They took 2-3 years to draft, develop and get their cap under control. And they’ve been really competitive since. They drafted Debrusk, McAvoy, Carlo, Pastrnak and a litany of other players that made it to the nhl and were used for trades such as Ryan Lindgren. He’s on the top pair with the Rags. So the Bruins over the last 7-8 years have done the right things. Having Cam Neely on the management team is a great thing!!! And Pastrnak slipped in his draft year and they scooped him in the mid 20`s and 60+ goals this year. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 15, 2023 10:15:51 GMT -6
They’ve got a lot of experience in their front office. In 2015 the Bruins made a wise choice to get rid of all fringe expensive players. Like Lucic, Seidenberg etc. everyone ripped them. They took 2-3 years to draft, develop and get their cap under control. And they’ve been really competitive since. They drafted Debrusk, McAvoy, Carlo, Pastrnak and a litany of other players that made it to the nhl and were used for trades such as Ryan Lindgren. He’s on the top pair with the Rags. So the Bruins over the last 7-8 years have done the right things. Having Cam Neely on the management team is a great thing!!! And Pastrnak slipped in his draft year and they scooped him in the mid 20`s and 60+ goals this year. Absolutely. Little bit of luck on their side. However. I don’t see in a full rebuilding situation the reasoning to rely on luck. Get a top pick, and go from there. Picking where Pastrnak was picked is more than likely gonna lead to failure on the ice. Depending where the Hawks pick. I have a very sinking feeling about this years draft. This years draft could speed up a rebuild. Or it could make it another 2-3 years longer. I’m trying to be positive. But I agree with MVR that 4th is probably where the Hawks will pick. If that player isn’t a franchise type player, we’re in trouble here. And heads should roll. Another year of this shit will be intolerable!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 15, 2023 11:37:06 GMT -6
Life’s a lot tougher without top picks. If KD picks 4-5. He won’t be around very long. Good players save GMs asses. If all he has is a litany of decent to good players. You’ll be Nashville. And that won’t cut it. Gotta have the top picks to get anywhere. Every Cup winner has the coveted top picks in them. Usually multiple. I’m still rooting for him. But gawd dam was this a wasted opportunity. It really was. And at some point in the next 2 years. The org has to assess where they’re at in terms of building this up. And at that point, may need some experience to take this home!!! A consensus #1 pick is always what a team wants when they finish near the bottom but Kane wasn't a consensus #1 and Toews went #3, I'd say they were top picks. We know this draft is deep so even at 5 the Hawks are getting a player that'll help turn things around. And with how much we've seen top10 picks being protected lately, I'm sure GMs feel those are where the top picks are. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 15, 2023 12:25:43 GMT -6
there was no negotiation or talks or anything. I think they just wanted to get it over with and be done with it, rather than wait to see what Tazer decides this summer. now there is nothing hanging over the team, except that they suck. now, ALL eyes are on Kyle. I'm hoping he turns out to be a good one. I still don't agree with the move, but I get it. That we know of. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. I think if the subject wasn't broached by KS, or even Stan before him about what the plans are after K&T's deals were over (as well as every other core player), then they weren't doing their jobs. If KD didn't at least touch base with Toews before the TDL then year, he failed at his job. But, I got this niggling feeling that the subject was breached, and someone--KD, T&R's agent, or they themselves just kicked the can down the road. Also...they suck now? The team has de facto sucked since they embarrassed themselves against the Predators back in 2017. But yeah, I hope Kyle is a good one. We'll see as things pan out. Even though JT went out of his way to say to say all the right things,he did mention he was a bit surprised when Jr told him to scram in Seattle. Forget an old fuck like me,you better hope YOU're still alive to see this team embarrass themselves in another series after winning the conference or like Tampa did after a record setting season. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 15, 2023 12:31:27 GMT -6
That we know of. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. I think if the subject wasn't broached by KS, or even Stan before him about what the plans are after K&T's deals were over (as well as every other core player), then they weren't doing their jobs. If KD didn't at least touch base with Toews before the TDL then year, he failed at his job. But, I got this niggling feeling that the subject was breached, and someone--KD, T&R's agent, or they themselves just kicked the can down the road. Also...they suck now? The team has de facto sucked since they embarrassed themselves against the Predators back in 2017. But yeah, I hope Kyle is a good one. We'll see as things pan out. the sucking didn't just begin, but now there aren't any expensive players left for the casual fan to blame it on, so KD is now in the crosshairs... Just 'organic growth' now! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 15, 2023 13:12:49 GMT -6
Captain my Captain!
I have never seen a player that about 90% of the time when his team needed a draw won at a critical moment Johnny got it done. Since coming into the league you have dazzled me with your skill, impressed me with your toughness, but your fuck you I don't loose attitude always sent shivers down my spine! As a captain you let the team have its own identity from the very start. Since you came into the league watching score on shoot outs everyone knew you were going 5 hole and yet you still beat the tender 5 hole. To your goal in 2011 when you would not be denied. To the 2013 team when Howard playing out of his mind you learned your lesson from 2012 when asked about Howards play you did not defer you said it was the teams job to rise past this,they had what it took and in the next 3 games that deadwing filth that had covered my body from years of them just toying with us got washed away!!!! 2014 game 5 against the blows breakaway everyone in the building knows where you are going you fake 5 hole then go backhand BOOM! if not for a couple of missed offsides who knows in 2014. 2015 even though we lost the game your play against the ducks in game 5 let them know that you never go quietly into the night. In game 7 you made sure they knew they were you bitches. 2016 who knows what could have happened if 7 went post in. As times got harder your attitude never changed!! I will remember how some would write that you take loosing to hard bad for the Lockeroom LMFAO. Even your last 2 games as you were yelling at players it was still all about winning. For this I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart I yelled a little louder and screamed a little longer because you were my CAPTAIN. I also love when I google captain serious your pic comes up. Thank you Thank you Thank you!
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Post by Tater on Apr 15, 2023 13:19:31 GMT -6
Very well said double B! ^^^
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Post by phill9 on Apr 15, 2023 13:21:19 GMT -6
One of my favorite Toews memories (I still have mine lol) A double "helmet" trick
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 15, 2023 18:58:07 GMT -6
That we know of. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. I think if the subject wasn't broached by KS, or even Stan before him about what the plans are after K&T's deals were over (as well as every other core player), then they weren't doing their jobs. If KD didn't at least touch base with Toews before the TDL then year, he failed at his job. But, I got this niggling feeling that the subject was breached, and someone--KD, T&R's agent, or they themselves just kicked the can down the road. Also...they suck now? The team has de facto sucked since they embarrassed themselves against the Predators back in 2017. But yeah, I hope Kyle is a good one. We'll see as things pan out. the sucking didn't just begin, but now there aren't any expensive players left for the casual fan to blame it on, so KD is now in the crosshairs... Just leaving Seth Jones and Connor Murphy there. HOWEVER, Either or both could be mitigated against--after all, Tallon had to deal with that deal he signed Khabi to, which (Taking cap inflation into consideration) makes Seth Jones look as cheap as a Tijuana Hooker. So yeah, he is and should be in the crosshairs; I just won't come down on him hard if either, especially Jones, is immovable. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 15, 2023 19:04:30 GMT -6
That we know of. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. I think if the subject wasn't broached by KS, or even Stan before him about what the plans are after K&T's deals were over (as well as every other core player), then they weren't doing their jobs. If KD didn't at least touch base with Toews before the TDL then year, he failed at his job. But, I got this niggling feeling that the subject was breached, and someone--KD, T&R's agent, or they themselves just kicked the can down the road. Also...they suck now? The team has de facto sucked since they embarrassed themselves against the Predators back in 2017. But yeah, I hope Kyle is a good one. We'll see as things pan out. Even though JT went out of his way to say to say all the right things,he did mention he was a bit surprised when Jr told him to scram in Seattle. Forget an old fuck like me,you better hope YOU're still alive to see this team embarrass themselves in another series after winning the conference or like Tampa did after a record setting season. I didn't hear that, but I'll take your word for it. And yeah, sports fandom could be fickle there. My dad was fucking shocked that he actually gotta see the Cubbies win in his lifetime (yes, emphasis needed there). I love that the 'hawks blagged 3 after the teenage disappointment I had in '92. I hope there will be more before I die but who knows? If not, I gotta see them do it 3 times. That's something. Besdies, Let's assume KD is a pretender to the throne like his predecessor. I'm hoping the upper management learned they lesson from Stan. We should expect to see a slow rebuild somewhat on-part with the timeline Smith/Tallon's build did. If it starts falling behind he should absolutely be given the heave-ho. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 16, 2023 9:25:46 GMT -6
Even though JT went out of his way to say to say all the right things,he did mention he was a bit surprised when Jr told him to scram in Seattle. Forget an old fuck like me,you better hope YOU're still alive to see this team embarrass themselves in another series after winning the conference or like Tampa did after a record setting season. I didn't hear that, but I'll take your word for it. And yeah, sports fandom could be fickle there. My dad was fucking shocked that he actually gotta see the Cubbies win in his lifetime (yes, emphasis needed there). I love that the 'hawks blagged 3 after the teenage disappointment I had in '92. I hope there will be more before I die but who knows? If not, I gotta see them do it 3 times. That's something. Besdies, Let's assume KD is a pretender to the throne like his predecessor. I'm hoping the upper management learned they lesson from Stan. We should expect to see a slow rebuild somewhat on-part with the timeline Smith/Tallon's build did. If it starts falling behind he should absolutely be given the heave-ho. 2:45 of the post game presser over in the GDT. He's said the right things like 'he's not shocked' and 'he know's it's a business' but when he answered a question 'off the cuff',he said "It caught me by surprised when Kyle called me in on the road last week,because I didn't know what he wanted to talk about". I guess the timing took him by surprise but the FO wanted to do a night for him before the season ended and there wasn't much time. A THREE DAY notice we're gonna do a night for you after telling you to scram.....nice. At least his parents made it on short notice........some teammates from the era woulda been nice but it was a nicely edited video I guess. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 16, 2023 10:13:44 GMT -6
Around the 15:30 mark of Toews last presser. He said something along the lines of …… I always thought I’d retire a blackhawk. I still do. So we’ll see. But there’s no timeline’.
I still feel he’ll retire. I think he said all the right things, that’s pure class. I’m not sure there’s a place right now for him on the Hawks front office. Or the bench. I fear KD is done with that era and he wants nothing to do with them.
It is sad to have this dynasty fall apart the way it did. I think KD should have allowed this year to be the duo’s goodbye year. They deserved it.
I will say Toews looked at peace with whatever comes his way. It f he is indeed done. I’m happy for him. And I hope he has a great life and eventually gets back into the game in some capacity!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 16, 2023 10:28:47 GMT -6
Around the 15:30 mark of Toews last presser. He said something along the lines of …… I always thought I’d retire a blackhawk. I still do. So we’ll see. But there’s no timeline’. I still feel he’ll retire. I think he said all the right things, that’s pure class. I’m not sure there’s a place right now for him on the Hawks front office. Or the bench. I fear KD is done with that era and he wants nothing to do with them. It is sad to have this dynasty fall apart the way it did. I think KD should have allowed this year to be the duo’s goodbye year. They deserved it. I will say Toews looked at peace with whatever comes his way. It f he is indeed done. I’m happy for him. And I hope he has a great life and eventually gets back into the game in some capacity!!! But yet they brought back Macgiver . Maciver was promoted to assistant general manager.[2] In July 2020, Maciver was demoted to vice president of player personnel and left the organization in January 2021 to become director of player personnel for the Seattle Kraken.[3] Maciver returned to the Blackhawks as an associate general manager on March 9, 2022.[4] His return came five months after former Blackhawks GM Stan Bowman resigned and a week after the Blackhawks named Kyle Davidson as his successor.[4] |
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Post by Tater on Apr 16, 2023 11:17:54 GMT -6
Derek King is still around too.
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Post by BigT on Apr 16, 2023 11:22:13 GMT -6
I don’t think any of the players will be back in any capacity under this guy. How can a 33 year old Kyle mentor a 35 year old Toews? It’s just not a good fit, even though I feel Toews should be groomed as the next GM. It may take 10 years. But he should be the guy. I hope he even gets a shot elsewhere for a while, learns the ins and outs of a GM. Then comes back to lead the Hawks to the promised land!!!
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Post by hsbob on Apr 23, 2023 9:35:03 GMT -6
If this guy's gonna pick a player to help spread Jr's 'clearing the deck' gospel,how about a guy who played more than six games for the big club?..... allchgo.com/2023/04/18/blackhawks-beat-as-gm-kyle-davidson-clears-the-deck-defenseman-alex-vlasic-sees-an-opening-for-new-leaders-to-emerge/"what was the difference between'22'&'23'? "It was a lot more chill this year,I'd say" said 21yro Vlasic. The quote.... “It was a lot more chill, I’d say,” Vlasic said. “I remember at the start of last year, I felt like I was kinda walking around on eggshells, which I feel like is pretty normal, especially when you got some big names in the locker room like Toewser and Kaner. I feel like this year was a lot easier for me to make the transition and not really worry about that stuff … not really worry about the different atmosphere. I just kind of jumped right in and started playing hockey.” "Easier to make the transition and jumped right in and started playing hockey"? Where,in Rockford,where he'll more than likely stay? Why would a 21yro D-man "walk on eggshells" around a great leader like Toews? MANY other young players cherished the opportunity and flourished playing with the captain and Kane! Here's the next question..... As the interview went on, I wanted to circle back to those comments. I asked Vlasic if the different feelings he felt this season were because Kane and Toews weren’t present. “This season, to the games that I’ve played now, it felt a lot different in the locker room. Just a younger vibe. Here're my questions..... First off,Kane and Toews WERE present most of the year.......WTF is the 'punk-caster' and the AHL player even talking about? Other than 23gms for Reichel and one rook at a time on D,what was this "younger vibe" last year? I watched a veteran team stumble to 30th in the league.....correct me if I'm wrong. Who'll be the young leadership group with Kane and Toews gone next year......or the one after? S Jones,Murphy and T Johnson will undoubtedly remain the voices in the room. If AA returns,he'll be 29.......more 'young vibe'? Part of the new,young leadership group @29? What young Mr Vlasic oughta be "walking on eggshells" over is,veterans S Jones,Murphy,Zaitsev and Tinordi will all continue to be preferred over him by the HC and Kaiser,EDM,Korch,Phillips,Allen and even Crevier could all leap-frog his ass and C Jones probably returns too. Mitchell and Regula will both join the GTFO club. Englund could also be back and don't be surprised to see ANOTHER vet D-man added on an expiring/bad contract for assets too......watch. With 14 players signed next year and another TWENTY million needing to be spent just to reach the cap-floor,forget about moving one of the vet D-men......they need those salaries and they'll have to add even more bums to reach the floor. Who else will come here? "Organic growth"? I got an 'organic growth' on my ass!LOL! The 'band-aid being ripped-off' has only left a festering,disrespectful sore for me! |
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Post by BigT on Apr 23, 2023 10:42:55 GMT -6
Bob. This is not my opinion. But there have been many reports that 19/88 have been spoiled and it was very difficult for kids to break in there. Is it true? I don’t know. But there’s a reason why the team didn’t want either around for the rebuild. They weren’t even options. I don’t personally have the answers. I’ve read a few things and they could all be wrong.
I think what Vlasic is referring to is that 19/88 seen the writing on the wall. And I think they maybe stepped back a bit this year and probably weren’t as vocal. They were focused on other things, like being traded and getting back in the lineup.
Maybe one day we’ll find out. Maybe we don’t. But it was a good time. I thank them regardless of what went on!!!
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Post by hsbob on Apr 23, 2023 11:19:00 GMT -6
I'm not sure what you mean by "spoiled" and many kids like Panarin,Debrincat and Hagle found zero difficulty "breaking in" on a line with K or T....even guys like Panik and Kubalik had career years with JT. That's just since '16',the number of young players who found no difficulty playing with K&T during the cup years was even more numerous.
The team's great,young players of the past aspired to play on a line with the two greats and relished the opportunity but the current crop is intimidated by the two.....how fragile!
What are these reasons? Did Prince Daniel and his inexperienced,inexpensive boy GM rely on their YEARS of hockey insight and respect for the game when they decided on their options?
Regardless of what happens,any player traded or given away by this FO is being done a massive favor,the look on Kane's face after his performance in NJ the other night says it all and Johnny was watching.
This FO no longer deserves the privilege of having Patrick Kane or Jonathan Toews on their 'new direction' team anyway.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 23, 2023 14:07:49 GMT -6
If this guy's gonna pick a player to help spread Jr's 'clearing the deck' gospel,how about a guy who played more than six games for the big club?..... allchgo.com/2023/04/18/blackhawks-beat-as-gm-kyle-davidson-clears-the-deck-defenseman-alex-vlasic-sees-an-opening-for-new-leaders-to-emerge/"what was the difference between'22'&'23'? "It was a lot more chill this year,I'd say" said 21yro Vlasic. The quote.... “It was a lot more chill, I’d say,” Vlasic said. “I remember at the start of last year, I felt like I was kinda walking around on eggshells, which I feel like is pretty normal, especially when you got some big names in the locker room like Toewser and Kaner. I feel like this year was a lot easier for me to make the transition and not really worry about that stuff … not really worry about the different atmosphere. I just kind of jumped right in and started playing hockey.” "Easier to make the transition and jumped right in and started playing hockey"? Where,in Rockford,where he'll more than likely stay? Why would a 21yro D-man "walk on eggshells" around a great leader like Toews? MANY other young players cherished the opportunity and flourished playing with the captain and Kane! Here's the next question..... As the interview went on, I wanted to circle back to those comments. I asked Vlasic if the different feelings he felt this season were because Kane and Toews weren’t present. “This season, to the games that I’ve played now, it felt a lot different in the locker room. Just a younger vibe. Here're my questions..... First off,Kane and Toews WERE present most of the year.......WTF is the 'punk-caster' and the AHL player even talking about? Other than 23gms for Reichel and one rook at a time on D,what was this "younger vibe" last year? I watched a veteran team stumble to 30th in the league.....correct me if I'm wrong. Who'll be the young leadership group with Kane and Toews gone next year......or the one after? S Jones,Murphy and T Johnson will undoubtedly remain the voices in the room. If AA returns,he'll be 29.......more 'young vibe'? Part of the new,young leadership group @29? What young Mr Vlasic oughta be "walking on eggshells" over is,veterans S Jones,Murphy,Zaitsev and Tinordi will all continue to be preferred over him by the HC and Kaiser,EDM,Korch,Phillips,Allen and even Crevier could all leap-frog his ass and C Jones probably returns too. Mitchell and Regula will both join the GTFO club. Englund could also be back and don't be surprised to see ANOTHER vet D-man added on an expiring/bad contract for assets too......watch. With 14 players signed next year and another TWENTY million needing to be spent just to reach the cap-floor,forget about moving one of the vet D-men......they need those salaries and they'll have to add even more bums to reach the floor. Who else will come here? "Organic growth"? I got an 'organic growth' on my ass!LOL! The 'band-aid being ripped-off' has only left a festering,disrespectful sore for me! Thats Jayz pushing the narrative. Ask Hagel what he thought of being in the room with 88&19. As I said before, Ill give Jay another listen at the start of prospect camp but I dont think I will listen very long. |
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Apr 23, 2023 14:23:25 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Apr 23, 2023 14:23:25 GMT -6
Again. Never said it’s my point of view. And it’s not JayZ. I read more than a few articles over the past few years, maybe even up to 5 years that had said that the dressing room isn’t the best. A lot of kids did not feel welcomed. Vlasic just said this. I’m sure more will too.
But at the same time, the last administration made them into kings. It was their franchise and their legacy. This is why you need someone in charge of things. Especially someone with experience. The last GM never had any business being a GM. And here’s all the results. I’m still not 💯 sold on KD but he’s the guy and we have to deal with it. At least he can skate and played some level of hockey.
When a GM has never been on a real team or even been in a real dressing room. They won’t know how to lead the team to success. However, I’m not accusing anyone of anything. Just stating the obvious that we know!!!
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Apr 23, 2023 15:10:23 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Apr 23, 2023 15:10:23 GMT -6
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 23, 2023 20:07:32 GMT -6
Yup nothing there about the captain, if anything great work on his part that you could have someone doinking someones wife and yet still win a cup. Sorry T I have never heard a negative comment about 19 as a captain. The only thing I heard was last year that he was just angry with the teams play. Cant blame him there all Pickle was saying its more aid back of course when results dont matter its a lot more laid back. Again Jay leads him down the lockeroom path, I understand we are in the job of loosing right now thats the only reason you dont want him in that lockeroom. And we all know why KD did not want him.
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Post by mvr on Apr 24, 2023 5:47:27 GMT -6
If Toews (or Kane for that matter) had an "attitude" problem, most likely it was that were open to criticize authority.
Neither liked the direction the team was headed in. Perhaps they challenged Davidson's decision-making.
Davidson rose through the ranks very quickly. By any definition, he remains inexperienced and a work-in-progress with much to prove. It is not uncommon in the workplace for young bosses to assert their powers disproportionately and ruffle feathers along the way.
Davidson likely feels much more secure in his job having "cleaned house" without any of the previous old guard to question his decisions.
Toews and Kane won three cups. They helped groom countless young players along the way. Any talk of either of them being a problem is likely emerging from the team's present front office.
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Apr 24, 2023 6:50:17 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Apr 24, 2023 6:50:17 GMT -6
Yup nothing there about the captain, if anything great work on his part that you could have someone doinking someones wife and yet still win a cup. Sorry T I have never heard a negative comment about 19 as a captain. The only thing I heard was last year that he was just angry with the teams play. Cant blame him there all Pickle was saying its more aid back of course when results dont matter its a lot more laid back. Again Jay leads him down the lockeroom path, I understand we are in the job of loosing right now thats the only reason you dont want him in that lockeroom. And we all know why KD did not want him. I’m not even gonna go down this path. I never said I believed it. I just shared what I heard. t the end of day. It was a GMs decision to not bring either guy back. Many said this, not just JayZ. Everyone knew that if they were to be signed, it would a happened a long time ago. I don’t know why this is shocking to anyone? However. Upwards and onwards. Is there really any other choice? May 8th is the big day!!! |
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