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Post by hsbob on Apr 24, 2023 9:16:59 GMT -6
Again. Never said it’s my point of view. And it’s not JayZ. I read more than a few articles over the past few years, maybe even up to 5 years that had said that the dressing room isn’t the best. A lot of kids did not feel welcomed. Vlasic just said this. I’m sure more will too. But at the same time, the last administration made them into kings. It was their franchise and their legacy. This is why you need someone in charge of things. Especially someone with experience. The last GM never had any business being a GM. And here’s all the results. I’m still not 💯 sold on KD but he’s the guy and we have to deal with it. At least he can skate and played some level of hockey. When a GM has never been on a real team or even been in a real dressing room. They won’t know how to lead the team to success. However, I’m not accusing anyone of anything. Just stating the obvious that we know!!! No links to these articles you've read about kids not feeling welcomed? You found other articles to link that you figured would make Kane and Toews look bad but even they didn't. I've listed the extensive number of kids that Q played when he was here,nearly every one got a chance and many excelled playing with Kane and Toews. "Especially someone with experience"? Who's that? Not all GM's played and I'm no fan of the last GM either,due entirely to his performance his last four years here but I'd bet he's been in plenty of real locker rooms growing up and the tutelage he received from his old man could benefit him as much as a cup o coffee on some obscure team somewhere. I found no record of Jr playing anywhere on his Wikipedia page. The barren 'empty cupboard' that Jr inherited is also overblown or he wouldn't've had three young players he could flip for FOUR 1st's,a 2nd and a 3rd with zero sweetener or money retained and a 1st/2nd and a 4th for Kane and a 2nd for MAF with money retained. Few new GM's get this luxury,most are greeted with a team full of bad players with bad contracts. Getting nothing for five players other teams immediately signed last summer(3 solid contributors) is nobody's fault but Jr's. |
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Apr 24, 2023 9:35:36 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Apr 24, 2023 9:35:36 GMT -6
The first article suggests Sharp(who's still with the Org)was a dog who hit on teammates GF's/wives,we've all heard these rumors and who knows for sure. What I do know for sure is the team went on to win it's third cup four months after that article was written.........if the stories are true,it had to take one HELL of a captain to hold that room together! Second article shows somebody wrote something stupid on a bulletin board that wasn't for public consumption,this reflects on Kane and Toews more than that first cup in 49 years they're holding? It was probably Big Buff anyway!LOL! I'm not sure what the 3rd article proves either,other than K&T trying to say the right things publicly about a HC they had privately lost all faith in........this is a negative? "A ton out there"? A ton of what? You are pushing a narrative or you wouldn't make such an effort to disparage the legacy of legends. |
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Apr 24, 2023 10:14:22 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Apr 24, 2023 10:14:22 GMT -6
Yup nothing there about the captain, if anything great work on his part that you could have someone doinking someones wife and yet still win a cup. Sorry T I have never heard a negative comment about 19 as a captain. The only thing I heard was last year that he was just angry with the teams play. Cant blame him there all Pickle was saying its more aid back of course when results dont matter its a lot more laid back. Again Jay leads him down the lockeroom path, I understand we are in the job of loosing right now thats the only reason you dont want him in that lockeroom. And we all know why KD did not want him. I’m not even gonna go down this path. I never said I believed it. I just shared what I heard. t the end of day. It was a GMs decision to not bring either guy back. Many said this, not just JayZ. Everyone knew that if they were to be signed, it would a happened a long time ago. I don’t know why this is shocking to anyone? However. Upwards and onwards. Is there really any other choice? May 8th is the big day!!! It's not shocking to you because you've wanted both gone for years and I guess the owner's kid and his Boy GM disrespecting hockey royalty shouldn't really shock anyone. Yeah,it was the GM's immature decision(after he cleared it with Prince Daniel)and it's one I'll never forget! "Upwards And onwards"? I guess we'll know in 5-7 years of a FREE RIDE for Jr and his staff or more accurately......We'll see,as a very wise man once said. "Was there any other choice"? Obviously not to you or Jr or the 'punk-caster' BUT let's see how the faithful take to a bunch of bums on bad contracts to reach the cap-floor. Attendance might really crater next year and it'll be well deserved for the FO and really enjoyable to watch! Not that I will. May 8th better be a HUGE day.............traded some good,young players for those picks! I'll never understand how any Hawk fan can hold so much resentment for such outstanding achievements,the odds say they'll never see anything like it again. |
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Apr 24, 2023 13:41:13 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Apr 24, 2023 13:41:13 GMT -6
I’m not even gonna go down this path. I never said I believed it. I just shared what I heard. t the end of day. It was a GMs decision to not bring either guy back. Many said this, not just JayZ. Everyone knew that if they were to be signed, it would a happened a long time ago. I don’t know why this is shocking to anyone? However. Upwards and onwards. Is there really any other choice? May 8th is the big day!!! It's not shocking to you because you've wanted both gone for years and I guess the owner's kid and his Boy GM disrespecting hockey royalty shouldn't really shock anyone. Yeah,it was the GM's immature decision(after he cleared it with Prince Daniel)and it's one I'll never forget! "Upwards And onwards"? I guess we'll know in 5-7 years of a FREE RIDE for Jr and his staff or more accurately......We'll see,as a very wise man once said. "Was there any other choice"? Obviously not to you or Jr or the 'punk-caster' BUT let's see how the faithful take to a bunch of bums on bad contracts to reach the cap-floor. Attendance might really crater next year and it'll be well deserved for the FO and really enjoyable to watch! Not that I will. May 8th better be a HUGE day.............traded some good,young players for those picks! I'll never understand how any Hawk fan can hold so much resentment for such outstanding achievements,the odds say they'll never see anything like it again. You’re absolutely right here. I could not wait to get rid of those dicks. It was the best day for the organization and hockey in general!!! |
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Apr 25, 2023 9:01:04 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Apr 25, 2023 9:01:04 GMT -6
It's not shocking to you because you've wanted both gone for years and I guess the owner's kid and his Boy GM disrespecting hockey royalty shouldn't really shock anyone. Yeah,it was the GM's immature decision(after he cleared it with Prince Daniel)and it's one I'll never forget! "Upwards And onwards"? I guess we'll know in 5-7 years of a FREE RIDE for Jr and his staff or more accurately......We'll see,as a very wise man once said. "Was there any other choice"? Obviously not to you or Jr or the 'punk-caster' BUT let's see how the faithful take to a bunch of bums on bad contracts to reach the cap-floor. Attendance might really crater next year and it'll be well deserved for the FO and really enjoyable to watch! Not that I will. May 8th better be a HUGE day.............traded some good,young players for those picks! I'll never understand how any Hawk fan can hold so much resentment for such outstanding achievements,the odds say they'll never see anything like it again. You’re absolutely right here. I could not wait to get rid of those dicks. It was the best day for the organization and hockey in general!!! If not,then why accuse the two of being difficult for kids to play with when they weren't,link articles about locker room problems and connect the two to the Beach scandal,which you also did in a post? They were 21 at the time! Are you denying these aren't the reasons you don't want em back? They're the reasons you've been stating. Just to be clear.......you don't want either back,do you? |
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Apr 25, 2023 9:55:26 GMT -6
Post by jacksalmon on Apr 25, 2023 9:55:26 GMT -6
Life’s a lot tougher without top picks. If KD picks 4-5. He won’t be around very long. Good players save GMs asses. If all he has is a litany of decent to good players. You’ll be Nashville. And that won’t cut it. Gotta have the top picks to get anywhere. Every Cup winner has the coveted top picks in them. Usually multiple. I’m still rooting for him. But gawd dam was this a wasted opportunity. It really was. And at some point in the next 2 years. The org has to assess where they’re at in terms of building this up. And at that point, may need some experience to take this home!!! Why get a GM with solid, hockey mind based on years of experience in the game, either as a player or front office guy, or both, when a team can experiment making the under assistant west coast promotion man the GM? The NHL needs to lighten it up instead of always taking seriously the naming of a GM. |
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Apr 26, 2023 8:52:15 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 26, 2023 8:52:15 GMT -6
You’re absolutely right here. I could not wait to get rid of those dicks. It was the best day for the organization and hockey in general!!! If not,then why accuse the two of being difficult for kids to play with when they weren't,link articles about locker room problems and connect the two to the Beach scandal,which you also did in a post? They were 21 at the time! Are you denying these aren't the reasons you don't want em back? They're the reasons you've been stating. Just to be clear.......you don't want either back,do you? I can't speak for T or the front office, but Toews and Kane are superstars. Might be aging, but they are superstars nonetheless. While I personally would not have any problem with Toews or Kane back as long as it wouldn't impact the rebuild, It's possible that just by their presence, they would. In a perfect world T&K would should slowly start taking a back seat to the younger players and the younger players are given more and more responsibility and the chance to play in game situations--kinda like what I harped on in the twilight of Keith and Seabrook's careers. In reality the most plausible outcome is that coaching would lean on Toews and Kane as opposed to the youth coming in. That's not too conducive to development, and in Toews and Kane's cases: what hockey legend did they have blocking their path in the lineup? Lang? Lapointe? Good players, but not guys who would be considered some of the best players of their generation. I do think there's a lot of truth behind what you say elsewhere about KD "swabbing the deck", and I do think that came into play as well. |
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Apr 26, 2023 10:34:12 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Apr 26, 2023 10:34:12 GMT -6
If not,then why accuse the two of being difficult for kids to play with when they weren't,link articles about locker room problems and connect the two to the Beach scandal,which you also did in a post? They were 21 at the time! Are you denying these aren't the reasons you don't want em back? They're the reasons you've been stating. Just to be clear.......you don't want either back,do you? I can't speak for T or the front office, but Toews and Kane are superstars. Might be aging, but they are superstars nonetheless. While I personally would not have any problem with Toews or Kane back as long as it wouldn't impact the rebuild, It's possible that just by their presence, they would. In a perfect world T&K would should slowly start taking a back seat to the younger players and the younger players are given more and more responsibility and the chance to play in game situations--kinda like what I harped on in the twilight of Keith and Seabrook's careers. In reality the most plausible outcome is that coaching would lean on Toews and Kane as opposed to the youth coming in. That's not too conducive to development, and in Toews and Kane's cases: what hockey legend did they have blocking their path in the lineup? Lang? Lapointe? Good players, but not guys who would be considered some of the best players of their generation. I do think there's a lot of truth behind what you say elsewhere about KD "swabbing the deck", and I do think that came into play as well. Is there any chance that impact could have been positive? MANY young forwards absolutely flourished playing with both K&T.......Reichel very well might have too. Do you believe the two have been bad mentors over the years? Poor examples? Other than Reichel,how many young forwards are knocking at the door next year? Other than Reichel,all the top guys in Rockford are between 27-31,their paths will be blocked by somebody. They'll be plenty of other veterans blocking plenty of other paths next year. Who was blocking Kane and Toews paths? Who could of? C'mon man! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 26, 2023 13:44:01 GMT -6
I can't speak for T or the front office, but Toews and Kane are superstars. Might be aging, but they are superstars nonetheless. While I personally would not have any problem with Toews or Kane back as long as it wouldn't impact the rebuild, It's possible that just by their presence, they would. In a perfect world T&K would should slowly start taking a back seat to the younger players and the younger players are given more and more responsibility and the chance to play in game situations--kinda like what I harped on in the twilight of Keith and Seabrook's careers. In reality the most plausible outcome is that coaching would lean on Toews and Kane as opposed to the youth coming in. That's not too conducive to development, and in Toews and Kane's cases: what hockey legend did they have blocking their path in the lineup? Lang? Lapointe? Good players, but not guys who would be considered some of the best players of their generation. I do think there's a lot of truth behind what you say elsewhere about KD "swabbing the deck", and I do think that came into play as well. Is there any chance that impact could have been positive? MANY young forwards absolutely flourished playing with both K&T.......Reichel very well might have too. Do you believe the two have been bad mentors over the years? Poor examples? Other than Reichel,how many young forwards are knocking at the door next year? Other than Reichel,all the top guys in Rockford are between 27-31,their paths will be blocked by somebody. They'll be plenty of other veterans blocking plenty of other paths next year. Who was blocking Kane and Toews paths? Who could of? C'mon man! I think you misunderstood my point; I'm explaining what I think is the logic of the FO, but I agree with you: I don't think Toews and Kane would have been bad mentors at all in future seasons; I think they could have been great ones. I think that they thought that the coaching staff is at risk of overusing Toews and Kane because of their pedigree, instead of letting the youth come into game situations and sink or swim; the coaching would default to Toews and/or Kane. |
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Post by reylohawks on Jun 7, 2023 12:01:46 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Jun 7, 2023 12:30:57 GMT -6
One of the best captains if not the best of any sport. What a privilege and thankful to see him play for our Hawks. |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 7, 2023 19:30:09 GMT -6
Look for Oilers to consider signing Toews particularly if Bjugstad leaves. Probably 1 year deal less than $2M per year.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 7, 2023 19:41:32 GMT -6
Look for Oilers to consider signing Toews particularly if Bjugstad leaves. Probably 1 year deal less than $2M per year. imho, i don't care where he plays as long as he's healthy enough to go for most of a season. check that....as long as it isn't st. louis or detroit. i'd be tickled to see him with the oilers. 2 million seems a bit light but i'm sure there'd be plenty of performance bonus's written into the contract. |
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Jun 8, 2023 5:36:04 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 8, 2023 5:36:04 GMT -6
Look for Oilers to consider signing Toews particularly if Bjugstad leaves. Probably 1 year deal less than $2M per year. It was tough seeing Keith in a Coiler jersey, I'll probably throw up if Toews signs with them. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 8, 2023 5:46:14 GMT -6
Look for Oilers to consider signing Toews particularly if Bjugstad leaves. Probably 1 year deal less than $2M per year. It was tough seeing Keith in a Coiler jersey, I'll probably throw up if Toews signs with them. For me at least, it's hard to imagine the captain in any other jersey. Kane/keith i could imagine a lot easier for whatever reason. |
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Jun 8, 2023 5:49:00 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 8, 2023 5:49:00 GMT -6
It was tough seeing Keith in a Coiler jersey, I'll probably throw up if Toews signs with them. For me at least, it's hard to imagine the captain in any other jersey. Kane/keith i could imagine a lot easier for whatever reason. That's why I hope he retires, he deserves it. |
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Jun 8, 2023 6:02:16 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 8, 2023 6:02:16 GMT -6
For me at least, it's hard to imagine the captain in any other jersey. Kane/keith i could imagine a lot easier for whatever reason. That's why I hope he retires, he deserves it. If he really wants to retire then more power to him. But i'd be stoked (health allowing) if he ended up rejuvenated on a contender and was able to contribute to a nice playoff run. This upcoming season is going to be an interesting one for a lot of reasons. |
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Jun 8, 2023 6:28:51 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jun 8, 2023 6:28:51 GMT -6
That's why I hope he retires, he deserves it. If he really wants to retire then more power to him. But i'd be stoked (health allowing) if he ended up rejuvenated on a contender and was able to contribute to a nice playoff run. This upcoming season is going to be an interesting one for a lot of reasons. After watching the last 3-4 playoffs. I don’t notice many if any 35+ guys helping teams that much, if at all. With Toews health issues and such. Maybe it’s best to ride off in the sunset. He’s missed about a year and a quarter over the last 2 seasons. I don’t think at this point he’s gonna help a team that much. The Staal bros look out matched just about every shift in the finals. I think it’s safe to say youth is where it’s at. The odd guy that’s older (Pavelski) makes Father Time rethink his unbeaten record. But he’ll always win!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 8, 2023 6:59:16 GMT -6
If he really wants to retire then more power to him. But i'd be stoked (health allowing) if he ended up rejuvenated on a contender and was able to contribute to a nice playoff run. This upcoming season is going to be an interesting one for a lot of reasons. After watching the last 3-4 playoffs. I don’t notice many if any 35+ guys helping teams that much, if at all. With Toews health issues and such. Maybe it’s best to ride off in the sunset. He’s missed about a year and a quarter over the last 2 seasons. I don’t think at this point he’s gonna help a team that much. I know his situation. We all do. If you think it's out of the question he can manage a bounce back season or 2 that's up to you. Good chance you're right. If this was a knee that had been opened up 4 times i'd agree. But the unpredictability of his illness gives me hope that there's a chance of a bounce back. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jun 8, 2023 7:16:59 GMT -6
Ironic the page in this thread we are on and we're discussing JT's crossroads moment.
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Jun 8, 2023 7:37:43 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jun 8, 2023 7:37:43 GMT -6
Ironic the page in this thread we are on and we're discussing JT's crossroads moment. funny you said that, I noticed it earlier and almost said maybe we should lock this one just because of that... can't do it, though. there will be things to post about 19 eventually. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 8, 2023 7:52:33 GMT -6
Ironic the page in this thread we are on and we're discussing JT's crossroads moment. funny you said that, I noticed it earlier and almost said maybe we should lock this one just because of that... can't do it, though. there will be things to post about 19 eventually. There will be retirement party and of course sweater number retirement party. Also the "Last Shift" thing. Ideally we would probably want it to be a Toews and Kane party, but they each deserve their own nights. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 8, 2023 8:00:59 GMT -6
funny you said that, I noticed it earlier and almost said maybe we should lock this one just because of that... can't do it, though. there will be things to post about 19 eventually. There will be retirement party and of course sweater number retirement party. Also the "Last Shift" thing. Ideally we would probably want it to be a Toews and Kane party, but they each deserve their own nights.Agreed. Both brought different things to the club and each deserves separate recognition in my opinion. |
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Jun 8, 2023 8:03:35 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jun 8, 2023 8:03:35 GMT -6
There will be retirement party and of course sweater number retirement party. Also the "Last Shift" thing. Ideally we would probably want it to be a Toews and Kane party, but they each deserve their own nights.Agreed. Both brought different things to the club and each deserves separate recognition in my opinion. same. I really hope they do one for each of them. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jun 8, 2023 8:34:57 GMT -6
Agreed. Both brought different things to the club and each deserves separate recognition in my opinion. same. I really hope they do one for each of them. If the team wants to pimp things out, I mean market things, each gets their own Last Shift and then there's eventually a "core" Last Shift at some point for 2010, for 2013, for 2015, then for THE "core" of Kane/Toews/Hossa/Keith/Seabrook/Hammer (only guys with 3 rings, right?). I had season tix for this one: youtu.be/piDnAnYMCoI?t=863. Mr. Messmer's evening ended not so much on an up note I recall vividly, the bus ride to-and-from Hawkeye's on Taylor Street still fresh in memory bank. |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 8, 2023 9:27:42 GMT -6
same. I really hope they do one for each of them. If the team wants to pimp things out, I mean market things, each gets their own Last Shift and then there's eventually a "core" Last Shift at some point for 2010, for 2013, for 2015, then for THE "core" of Kane/Toews/Hossa/Keith/Seabrook/Hammer (only guys with 3 rings, right?). I had season tix for this one: youtu.be/piDnAnYMCoI?t=863. Mr. Messmer's evening ended not so much on an up note I recall vividly, the bus ride to-and-from Hawkeye's on Taylor Street still fresh in memory bank. Thanks for sharing. I loved the old barn. It was refreshing just looking at the video and when they panned into the crowd almost everyone was paying attention, applauding and engaged. These days everyone is on their phones, talking or not really know what is going on. Not judging here just the difference and times we now live in. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jul 11, 2023 12:41:40 GMT -6
Have not seen anything anywhere else but a hockey related FB page is reporting JT is hanging his skates up. Any more credible sources?  |
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Jul 11, 2023 13:27:34 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 11, 2023 13:27:34 GMT -6
same. I really hope they do one for each of them. If the team wants to pimp things out, I mean market things, each gets their own Last Shift and then there's eventually a "core" Last Shift at some point for 2010, for 2013, for 2015, then for THE "core" of Kane/Toews/Hossa/Keith/Seabrook/Hammer (only guys with 3 rings, right?). I had season tix for this one: youtu.be/piDnAnYMCoI?t=863. Mr. Messmer's evening ended not so much on an up note I recall vividly, the bus ride to-and-from Hawkeye's on Taylor Street still fresh in memory bank. You forgot Sharp, 3 rings. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 11, 2023 13:28:59 GMT -6
Have not seen anything anywhere else but a hockey related FB page is reporting JT is hanging his skates up. Any more credible sources? View AttachmentI'd rather he hangs them up then seeing him play for another team, especially Edmonton. What a great career, best captain ever. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 11, 2023 15:09:06 GMT -6
Have not seen anything anywhere else but a hockey related FB page is reporting JT is hanging his skates up. Any more credible sources? View AttachmentI'd rather he hangs them up then seeing him play for another team, especially Edmonton. What a great career, best captain ever. Jeezus, especially Edmonton. |
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