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Post by Tater on Nov 12, 2019 2:48:48 GMT -6
I don´t get why they play Nylander on his off side? I get that Saad has ranks on him, but why not make line combos that have players playing on their strong side? Nylander felt more like a threat playing left wing. If they want Saad with Toews, why not try Kubalik on the right wing? Play Nylander as left wing with Kampf and Shaw. I feel Shaw playing on his off wing doesn't hurt him as much as Nylander playing on his off wing. Or play him on the fourth line. I liked the fourth line with Nylander, Carpenter and either Smith or Caggiula I like this idea.
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Post by BlueFruit on Nov 12, 2019 10:13:36 GMT -6
I would like to see these lines. And not just a couple of shifts but a few games.
Saad Toews Kubalik
DeBrincat Strome kane
Dach Kampf Shaw
Nylander Carpenter Smith/Caggiula
Maybe change places with Dach and Nylander.
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Post by BigT on Nov 12, 2019 19:39:50 GMT -6
Forwards usually play their “off” side. Kane is a left Shot, on right wing. It’s always better to have your stick face the net rather than the boards!!!
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Nov 12, 2019 20:06:08 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 20:06:08 GMT -6
Forwards usually play their “off” side. Kane is a left Shot, on right wing. It’s always better to have your stick face the net rather than the boards!!! That may be true in todays game, but not back in the original 6. Typically the right shot was on the right wing and the left shot was on the left wing. Bobby and Dennis Hull both played left wing, Jim Pappin and Cliff Koroll right wing. I agree with you however, it makes a lot more sense to have guys play their off wing. That's what made Steve Larmer so deadly, his famous 1 timers from around the faceoff circles were classic. |
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Nov 13, 2019 10:10:17 GMT -6
Post by BlueFruit on Nov 13, 2019 10:10:17 GMT -6
Forwards usually play their “off” side. Kane is a left Shot, on right wing. It’s always better to have your stick face the net rather than the boards!!! What i mean by "off" side is a right handed shot playing right wing. I may have misunderstood the term. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 15, 2019 11:22:32 GMT -6
To be positive here (and not in a Magic Johnson sort of way), I do have to say that I love what Toews did in Toronto against Muzzin. I know I've rode him for his lack of play at times, but that there was straight-up what a captain needed to do--especially if the guys who are effectively dead cap won't step up and do the "pack mentality" sort of thing.
Bonus was the team killing off the ensuing penalty. That's something the 'hawks haven't had since 2015.
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Post by vadarx on Nov 27, 2019 23:00:44 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 27, 2019 23:22:23 GMT -6
j-bone. j-bone? reminds me of the seinfeld episode when george wanted his nickname to be t-bone. |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 28, 2019 0:14:05 GMT -6
j-bone. j-bone? reminds me of the seinfeld episode when george wanted his nickname to be t-bone. you mean Koko? 😅 |
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Post by Tater on Nov 28, 2019 1:30:17 GMT -6
j-bone. j-bone? reminds me of the seinfeld episode when george wanted his nickname to be t-bone. you mean Koko? 😅
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 4, 2019 15:32:45 GMT -6
How about 2, 3, 4?  |
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Dec 4, 2019 21:52:08 GMT -6
Post by Modry-Jazyk on Dec 4, 2019 21:52:08 GMT -6
30+ per season would be OK for such salary and cap hit.Rewarding factor already included (even I don't like it).But now he's on pace to score 12 goals and his line doesn't work regardless who else is there.Those two contract's (plus Seabs') are major issue killing the Hawks as they got fake top line center and fake top 2 dman and so they can't afford true ones.Also this complain is about SB not Toews/Seabs. But the biggest disapointment this season is DCAT ($6.4M) with 4 goals while he's playing with Kane.Actually Toews and DCAT huge scoring decline could be the the main reason of Hawks terrible PP this season.
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Dec 4, 2019 22:38:29 GMT -6
Post by T-man2010 on Dec 4, 2019 22:38:29 GMT -6
30+ per season would be OK for such salary and cap hit.Rewarding factor already included (even I don't like it).But now he's on pace to score 12 goals and his line doesn't work regardless who else is there.Those two contract's (plus Seabs') are major issue killing the Hawks as they got fake top line center and fake top 2 dman and so they can't afford true ones.Also this complain is about SB not Toews/Seabs. But the biggest disapointment this season is DCAT ($6.4M) with 4 goals while he's playing with Kane.Actually Toews and DCAT huge scoring decline could be the the main reason of Hawks terrible PP this season.
Dcats 6.4 doesn't start till next season. But yes, he's been snake bit so far, but he can snap out and score in bunches. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 5, 2019 9:16:24 GMT -6
30+ per season would be OK for such salary and cap hit.Rewarding factor already included (even I don't like it).But now he's on pace to score 12 goals and his line doesn't work regardless who else is there.Those two contract's (plus Seabs') are major issue killing the Hawks as they got fake top line center and fake top 2 dman and so they can't afford true ones.Also this complain is about SB not Toews/Seabs. But the biggest disapointment this season is DCAT ($6.4M) with 4 goals while he's playing with Kane.Actually Toews and DCAT huge scoring decline could be the the main reason of Hawks terrible PP this season.
You call Toews a "fake" center but you're complaint isn't about him? YES,Toews should have 4-6 more goals at this point which would put him at a high 20's-30 pace but would 4-6 more goals make any difference at all as far as the teams outlook? The 8.6M spent on Maata and de Haan would have afforded a top 2 D-man but we just got more bottom four D-men instead. The season K&T had last year playing together was no fluke,even while CARRYING a carrer AHL player for a lot of it. Kane set up Toews and Toews set up Kane and they both finished those set ups. JT still sets his line mates up but most go unfinished,Saad's having a decent year but he gets TONS of chances and Nylander just heels his into the crowd. Patrick Kane's is an example of true elite talent that gets his regardless of where he plays but getting his is his only responsibility when he's out there. I like D-Cat a lot but he's an interesting study at this point,his job is to score goals and little else yet we see only one more than the "fake" center who's 10yrs older and has played over 800 more games.....128 of those PO games and D-Cat's playing with Kane. Toews has been a major disappointment up to this point but smart money still says Toews picks up the pace at least enough to see his 13th straight year with 20goals to join only Kane and Ovi and 20 some goals might be all he has left in him,like it or not. If the team was magically able to move JT and Seab's contracts,would you trust SB to spend that money properly? I'm at a point where I'm good with moving any and all of the remaining core player because surrounding them with CRAP certainly hasn't worked and it would assure high 1st round picks for years and years to come! |
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Dec 5, 2019 14:48:39 GMT -6
Post by squishy24 on Dec 5, 2019 14:48:39 GMT -6
30+ per season would be OK for such salary and cap hit.Rewarding factor already included (even I don't like it).But now he's on pace to score 12 goals and his line doesn't work regardless who else is there.Those two contract's (plus Seabs') are major issue killing the Hawks as they got fake top line center and fake top 2 dman and so they can't afford true ones.Also this complain is about SB not Toews/Seabs. But the biggest disapointment this season is DCAT ($6.4M) with 4 goals while he's playing with Kane.Actually Toews and DCAT huge scoring decline could be the the main reason of Hawks terrible PP this season.
You call Toews a "fake" center but you're complaint isn't about him? YES,Toews should have 4-6 more goals at this point which would put him at a high 20's-30 pace but would 4-6 more goals make any difference at all as far as the teams outlook? The 8.6M spent on Maata and de Haan would have afforded a top 2 D-man but we just got more bottom four D-men instead. The season K&T had last year playing together was no fluke,even while CARRYING a carrer AHL player for a lot of it. Kane set up Toews and Toews set up Kane and they both finished those set ups. JT still sets his line mates up but most go unfinished,Saad's having a decent year but he gets TONS of chances and Nylander just heels his into the crowd. Patrick Kane's is an example of true elite talent that gets his regardless of where he plays but getting his is his only responsibility when he's out there. I like D-Cat a lot but he's an interesting study at this point,his job is to score goals and little else yet we see only one more than the "fake" center who's 10yrs older and has played over 800 more games.....128 of those PO games and D-Cat's playing with Kane. Toews has been a major disappointment up to this point but smart money still says Toews picks up the pace at least enough to see his 13th straight year with 20goals to join only Kane and Ovi and 20 some goals might be all he has left in him,like it or not. If the team was magically able to move JT and Seab's contracts,would you trust SB to spend that money properly? I'm at a point where I'm good with moving any and all of the remaining core player because surrounding them with CRAP certainly hasn't worked and it would assure high 1st round picks for years and years to come! ^ I'll share the optimism. I read somewhere that his career average shooting % is around 13.5 . So far he is shooting at a 5.5%. Hopefully he does pick up the pace. I still don't think he's capable of carrying a line. His defense has also gone down this season. He is better than what he shown so far.
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Post by Tater on Dec 6, 2019 2:06:29 GMT -6
Glad to see Tazer get the GWG.
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Post by hsbob on Dec 6, 2019 7:59:40 GMT -6
Glad to see Tazer get the GWG. We're few in number my friend. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 6, 2019 8:32:04 GMT -6
You call Toews a "fake" center but you're complaint isn't about him? YES,Toews should have 4-6 more goals at this point which would put him at a high 20's-30 pace but would 4-6 more goals make any difference at all as far as the teams outlook? The 8.6M spent on Maata and de Haan would have afforded a top 2 D-man but we just got more bottom four D-men instead. The season K&T had last year playing together was no fluke,even while CARRYING a carrer AHL player for a lot of it. Kane set up Toews and Toews set up Kane and they both finished those set ups. JT still sets his line mates up but most go unfinished,Saad's having a decent year but he gets TONS of chances and Nylander just heels his into the crowd. Patrick Kane's is an example of true elite talent that gets his regardless of where he plays but getting his is his only responsibility when he's out there. I like D-Cat a lot but he's an interesting study at this point,his job is to score goals and little else yet we see only one more than the "fake" center who's 10yrs older and has played over 800 more games.....128 of those PO games and D-Cat's playing with Kane. Toews has been a major disappointment up to this point but smart money still says Toews picks up the pace at least enough to see his 13th straight year with 20goals to join only Kane and Ovi and 20 some goals might be all he has left in him,like it or not. If the team was magically able to move JT and Seab's contracts,would you trust SB to spend that money properly? I'm at a point where I'm good with moving any and all of the remaining core player because surrounding them with CRAP certainly hasn't worked and it would assure high 1st round picks for years and years to come! ^ I'll share the optimism. I read somewhere that his career average shooting % is around 13.5 . So far he is shooting at a 5.5%. Hopefully he does pick up the pace. I still don't think he's capable of carrying a line. His defense has also gone down this season. He is better than what he shown so far.
Is he as capable of what he once was after 901 regular season and 128 grueling PO games? Probably not. Can he carry Sikura's and Nylander's? Probably not. Who could? Has Kane's play deteriorated less than Toews'? Has he had to do all the same things? Has Kane had to carry a line or does he skate with players who don't need to be carried? Put Toews with a great winger like Big Hoss for all those years or a great winger like Kane last year and you see what Toews is capable of,put him with Nylander and you'll see what he's not capable of. There's 2/3 of the season left,we'll have to see what it has in store for our #1 center. |
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Dec 6, 2019 8:57:34 GMT -6
Post by T-man2010 on Dec 6, 2019 8:57:34 GMT -6
I wonder how that HOSSA cloning is going?
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Dec 6, 2019 12:03:13 GMT -6
Post by squishy24 on Dec 6, 2019 12:03:13 GMT -6
^ I'll share the optimism. I read somewhere that his career average shooting % is around 13.5 . So far he is shooting at a 5.5%. Hopefully he does pick up the pace. I still don't think he's capable of carrying a line. His defense has also gone down this season. He is better than what he shown so far.
Is he as capable of what he once was after 901 regular season and 128 grueling PO games? Probably not. Can he carry Sikura's and Nylander's? Probably not. Who could? Has Kane's play deteriorated less than Toews'? Has he had to do all the same things? Has Kane had to carry a line or does he skate with players who don't need to be carried? Put Toews with a great winger like Big Hoss for all those years or a great winger like Kane last year and you see what Toews is capable of,put him with Nylander and you'll see what he's not capable of.There's 2/3 of the season left,we'll have to see what it has in store for our #1 center. yup, he shines the brightest with elite around him, but also sinks with the sh1t. Hes never been the one to lead a line. right now, im just hoping for a 20g-50pts season. thats his average, right? |
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Post by nighbor on Dec 6, 2019 16:13:10 GMT -6
Is he as capable of what he once was after 901 regular season and 128 grueling PO games? Probably not. Can he carry Sikura's and Nylander's? Probably not. Who could? Has Kane's play deteriorated less than Toews'? Has he had to do all the same things? Has Kane had to carry a line or does he skate with players who don't need to be carried? Put Toews with a great winger like Big Hoss for all those years or a great winger like Kane last year and you see what Toews is capable of,put him with Nylander and you'll see what he's not capable of.There's 2/3 of the season left,we'll have to see what it has in store for our #1 center. yup, he shines the brightest with elite around him, but also sinks with the sh1t. Hes never been the one to lead a line. right now, im just hoping for a 20g-50pts season. thats his average, right? Doesn't everyone. He averages 27 goals and 35 assists with a sh% of 13.9 although he is only at 6.8% this year. His lack of pts. is due to his sh% not work ethic. |
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Dec 6, 2019 16:38:16 GMT -6
Post by squishy24 on Dec 6, 2019 16:38:16 GMT -6
yup, he shines the brightest with elite around him, but also sinks with the sh1t. Hes never been the one to lead a line. right now, im just hoping for a 20g-50pts season. thats his average, right? . He averages 27 goals and 35 assists with a sh% of 13.9 although he is only at 6.8% this year. His lack of pts. is due to his sh% not work ethic. yea, I brought up that sh%. im sure it will average out during the season.
^ Not everyone sink with mediocre linemates, by the way. there are those that actually make his linemates better, and not make his linemates an excuse.
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Post by vadarx on Dec 7, 2019 0:38:58 GMT -6
Doesn't everyone. He averages 27 goals and 35 assists with a sh% of 13.9 although he is only at 6.8% this year. His lack of pts. is due to his sh% not work ethic. yea, I brought up that sh%. im sure it will average out during the season.
^ Not everyone sink with mediocre linemates, by the way. there are those that actually make his linemates better, and not make his linemates an excuse.
when did Jonny use his linemates as an excuse? |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 7, 2019 8:35:19 GMT -6
Is he as capable of what he once was after 901 regular season and 128 grueling PO games? Probably not. Can he carry Sikura's and Nylander's? Probably not. Who could? Has Kane's play deteriorated less than Toews'? Has he had to do all the same things? Has Kane had to carry a line or does he skate with players who don't need to be carried? Put Toews with a great winger like Big Hoss for all those years or a great winger like Kane last year and you see what Toews is capable of,put him with Nylander and you'll see what he's not capable of.There's 2/3 of the season left,we'll have to see what it has in store for our #1 center. yup, he shines the brightest with elite around him, but also sinks with the sh1t. Hes never been the one to lead a line. right now, im just hoping for a 20g-50pts season. thats his average, right? He sinks with shit? It's a shame he has to play with shit! Toews only needs one other outstanding linemate like Hossa or Kane to put up numbers just like Kane needs one other outstanding linemate like Breadman or D-Cat to put up numbers and Kane's best year came playing with JT for a reason and they were carrying Suckura on top of it. Has Panik ever approached the 22/44 season he had playing with JT? His average? Simple math and the calculator on my phone show .368GpGX82=30 and .853PpGX82=70 and he WAS carrying shit for some of that time......he's averaged .859PpG in the PO's. So I would say wrong. He also has a FO "average" of 56.8% but that gets discounted just like his two-way play does...….those are the numbers and the numbers don't lie. You can continue to say what you want about the guy but I'll guarantee this team is an immediate contender for the #1 overall pick without him. |
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Dec 7, 2019 9:02:52 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Dec 7, 2019 9:02:52 GMT -6
Doesn't everyone. He averages 27 goals and 35 assists with a sh% of 13.9 although he is only at 6.8% this year. His lack of pts. is due to his sh% not work ethic. yea, I brought up that sh%. im sure it will average out during the season.
^ Not everyone sink with mediocre linemates, by the way. there are those that actually make his linemates better, and not make his linemates an excuse.
Dylan Sikura and Alex Nylander have seven combined goals in eighty combined games...…..by what stretch of the imagination is THAT mediocre? |
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Dec 7, 2019 10:08:29 GMT -6
Post by T-man2010 on Dec 7, 2019 10:08:29 GMT -6
yea, I brought up that sh%. im sure it will average out during the season.
^ Not everyone sink with mediocre linemates, by the way. there are those that actually make his linemates better, and not make his linemates an excuse.
Dylan Sikura and Alex Nylander have seven combined goals in eighty combined games...…..by what stretch of the imagination is THAT mediocre? Only thing I can think of is even though Sikura couldn't score with JT, even when he had open nets, he wasn't a defensive liability. That is one consolation. Nylander on the other hand shy's away from board contact and at times appears "lazy" on the back check. Again I wish I could see the entire ice like at a game. Easier to see what other mistakes players make. That's when Edzo brings out the crayons and points out things we don't see on TV. |
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Dec 7, 2019 10:29:15 GMT -6
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 7, 2019 10:29:15 GMT -6
yup, he shines the brightest with elite around him, but also sinks with the sh1t. Hes never been the one to lead a line. right now, im just hoping for a 20g-50pts season. thats his average, right? He sinks with shit? It's a shame he has to play with shit! Toews only needs one other outstanding linemate like Hossa or Kane to put up numbers just like Kane needs one other outstanding linemate like Breadman or D-Cat to put up numbers and Kane's best year came playing with JT for a reason and they were carrying Suckura on top of it. Has Panik ever approached the 22/44 season he had playing with JT? His average? Simple math and the calculator on my phone show .368GpGX82=30 and .853PpGX82=70 and he WAS carrying shit for some of that time......he's averaged .859PpG in the PO's. So I would say wrong. He also has a FO "average" of 56.8% but that gets discounted just like his two-way play does...….those are the numbers and the numbers don't lie. You can continue to say what you want about the guy but I'll guarantee this team is an immediate contender for the #1 overall pick without him. I agree. Time to find that elite wing to play with Toews so he can be better. Otherwise he’ll continue playing the way hes played thru 1/3 of this season. Damn Bowman and JC |
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Dec 7, 2019 10:31:07 GMT -6
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 7, 2019 10:31:07 GMT -6
yea, I brought up that sh%. im sure it will average out during the season.
^ Not everyone sink with mediocre linemates, by the way. there are those that actually make his linemates better, and not make his linemates an excuse.
when did Jonny use his linemates as an excuse? Thank god JT havent, just the hardcore fans giving his play passes |
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Post by BigT on Dec 7, 2019 13:39:06 GMT -6
I think it’s time for the Hawks to shed some salary and make a realistic move. I’m more in the rebuild category, but for a wee moment let’s say I’m not. Taylor Hall is more than likely gonna be traded. He’s 28 with low miles on him. He hasn’t sniffed the playoffs yet. Getting him would be similar to the Pens getting Kessel. I would not be afraid to give him an 8 year deal. Hall would make Toews line impressive. Personally I would deal Saad, Mitchell, and a pick for him. I’d also find a new home for Gustafsson, or somehow include him in that deal.
Why would the Devils do that deal? Well, they need vets that can get them 20 goals right now, Saad is that plus he has term remaining. They’d get some young help on D, cap relief for when they have to re-sign some of their younger guys. More than likely they’ll lose Hall for nothing and trading him in conference is a horrible idea at best.
Hawks can easily afford him now and moving forward. Hall is probably in the 7-8 million range moving forward. Next year, we obviously won’t be e to afford 11 million in net. But if we spent 9 total, I believe that pays for rest of Halls raise. Personally, I’d also trade Maatta, I think he’s more dead space. I’d rather Murphy over him any day. Plus Gilbert seems like a missing piece to the puzzle and comes cheaper.
If the Cap were to go up another 3 million, that would almost give Strome his raise. I could see him getting a 2 year 8 million deal for now.
A team of:
Shaw Toews Hall///// Dcat Strome Kane. That is as good of a top 6 as you’ll find. As Toews ages, let him play on the 3rd line in a couple seasons and Dach slides up to number one. I would rather this than Nylander and other ridiculous options being thrown in there. What we need is a GM, not an idiot with a mesh hat and a pencil with an oversized eraser for all his mistakes!!!
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Dec 7, 2019 15:21:24 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Dec 7, 2019 15:21:24 GMT -6
He sinks with shit? It's a shame he has to play with shit! Toews only needs one other outstanding linemate like Hossa or Kane to put up numbers just like Kane needs one other outstanding linemate like Breadman or D-Cat to put up numbers and Kane's best year came playing with JT for a reason and they were carrying Suckura on top of it. Has Panik ever approached the 22/44 season he had playing with JT? His average? Simple math and the calculator on my phone show .368GpGX82=30 and .853PpGX82=70 and he WAS carrying shit for some of that time......he's averaged .859PpG in the PO's. So I would say wrong. He also has a FO "average" of 56.8% but that gets discounted just like his two-way play does...….those are the numbers and the numbers don't lie. You can continue to say what you want about the guy but I'll guarantee this team is an immediate contender for the #1 overall pick without him. I agree. Time to find that elite wing to play with Toews so he can be better. Otherwise he’ll continue playing the way hes played thru 1/3 of this season. Damn Bowman and JC He doesn't need an elite wing,he just can't carry crap and produce...….Kane get's the elite wingers anyway. |
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