Toews

[hsbob]

Dec 9, 2019 10:34:20 GMT -6 squishy24 said:

Dec 9, 2019 9:48:52 GMT -6 hsbob said:

I go overboard with support when I consider the criticism to be overboard. We can have this conversation without the animosity and my last sentence was unnecessary.
You have every right to want more for 10.5M as I told MJ but isn't carrying a line with Sikura or Nylander a tall order?
When either of those wingers leave JT's line,they immediately go back to the AHL or the 4th line where they belong...….do top line centers usually have to carry these type of players on their line? 

i was agreeing with you bob, here is a post from previous page;

"hsbob: .....Toews has been a major disappointment up to this point but smart money still says Toews picks up the pace at least enough to see his 13th straight year with 20goals .....

me: I'll share the optimism. I read somewhere that his career average shooting % is around 13.5 . So far he is shooting at a 5.5%. Hopefully he does pick up the pace. I still don't think he's capable of carrying a line. His defense has also gone down this season. He is better than what he shown so far. "

i think disagreement of "carrying a line" is where it started, along with the next posts of "he sink with the sh1ts"

i think in my part, its poor choice of words, along with the "lol", my apologies. but my claims didnt just came out of the blue, as if i have nothing to based them on

you mentioned these players;
Panik - granted he had a career yr with Toews, but Hossa was on that line as well. he also regressed when Hossa retired
Saad and Nylander - they actually have better numbers and noticeably effective this season away from Toews.
Kahun - last year was his first season, so no stats prior to compare, but from what he's doing in Pitt right now, it looks like he will be better than last year.
Sikura - not going to disagree with you on this one

but i digress, "carrying a line" is a matter of opinion. i'll agree we disagree

Let me apologize for the snarkiness on my part too.....we can debate this without it.
Let's hope JT's play continues to improve so we can argue about something else!LOL!!! 

[LordKOTL]

Dec 9, 2019 10:03:12 GMT -6 vadarx said:

on the subject of carrying lines, here's a thought:

seeing as we know Kaner is able to carry one on his own and Tazer is not, why don't we let him play with our two best wingers not named Kane and let Kane play with a couple Sikuras? that was what Q did for years until Panarin arrived. maybe we should try it again.

If Stan's goal is to make the playoffs, then we gotta get the most out of the team, not the individual players.  The one thing I don't think we know is exactly what it's going to take to get that with the team as-is.  Do we spread out the little talent we're bringing to bear?  Do we load up a line or a paring and just hope the opposition can't contain them?  The problem is whether or not guys can be sparkplugged--in the recent past that's been an issue.  We've tried to get help for players but they've simply not done anything with the help.

I think at this point if the goal is to get to the playoffs than the good support players can't be wasted getting guys to perform--and that has to go on trends as well as raw numbers.  If a player's conversion rate is dropping, then we should be giving the set-up guys to the players who are converting.  If a player's conversion rate is raising, then we start giving them the better set-up guys.  

Similarly on the backend--if a player is botching their coverage you don't saddle a decent D-man with them.  You minimize their time, deployment, and thus damage and put the guys who are playing decent together.  

[vadarx]

now that no one has posted in this thread for a couple weeks, can we unpin it? I dunno about others here, but I prefer the most recently posted in threads to be at the top of the page. considering there aren't a ton of new ones popping up here, either, it seems unnecessary for this one to be pinned. I would say the 'hawks moves and Bowman threads might be the 2 to pin, if any.

plus, Tazer is scoring now so this one won't see too much action. 😜

[BigT]

I’ll add one to this. Anyone find Toews comments after last nights game very telling? I thought it was a great post game from him. Targeting a lot of people, possibly even Stan. If anyone hasn’t listened to it, I suggest they do!!!

[T-man2010]

Dec 24, 2019 11:50:13 GMT -6 BigT said:

I’ll add one to this. Anyone find Toews comments after last nights game very telling? I thought it was a great post game from him. Targeting a lot of people, possibly even Stan. If anyone hasn’t listened to it, I suggest they do!!!

He might as well add himself to that too.
No one on this team played last night.

[tincup]

Dec 24, 2019 11:50:13 GMT -6 BigT said:

I’ll add one to this. Anyone find Toews comments after last nights game very telling? I thought it was a great post game from him. Targeting a lot of people, possibly even Stan. If anyone hasn’t listened to it, I suggest they do!!!

I’m not reading into it what you’re getting out of it I guess. Sounds like he’s calling out the whole team, himself included. He even bristled on the suggestion that the young players might be a problem. I’m just getting that with this team it has to be all hands on deck all of the time, that if one or two linemates takes a shift off nothing is going to work. On that I agree with him. 

[BigT]

Dec 24, 2019 13:50:47 GMT -6 tincup said:

Dec 24, 2019 11:50:13 GMT -6 BigT said:

I’ll add one to this. Anyone find Toews comments after last nights game very telling? I thought it was a great post game from him. Targeting a lot of people, possibly even Stan. If anyone hasn’t listened to it, I suggest they do!!!

I’m not reading into it what you’re getting out of it I guess. Sounds like he’s calling out the whole team, himself included. He even bristled on the suggestion that the young players might be a problem. I’m just getting that with this team it has to be all hands on deck all of the time, that if one or two linemates takes a shift off nothing is going to work. On that I agree with him. 

I think it was a direct shot at Stan for lynching him with Nylander for half the year. When Toews and Kane are together, you see the results. I don’t think they have it in them to carry players at this point. And part of the problem more than likely is guys getting preferential treatment and not earning their way. Toews looked super pissed when he spoke!!!

[OldTimeHawky]

Dec 24, 2019 15:14:50 GMT -6 BigT said:

Dec 24, 2019 13:50:47 GMT -6 tincup said:

I’m not reading into it what you’re getting out of it I guess. Sounds like he’s calling out the whole team, himself included. He even bristled on the suggestion that the young players might be a problem. I’m just getting that with this team it has to be all hands on deck all of the time, that if one or two linemates takes a shift off nothing is going to work. On that I agree with him. 

I think it was a direct shot at Stan for lynching him with Nylander for half the year. When Toews and Kane are together, you see the results. I don’t think they have it in them to carry players at this point. And part of the problem more than likely is guys getting preferential treatment and not earning their way. Toews looked super pissed when he spoke!!!

You dislike Nylander so much you're just making assumptions, Nylander looked good in game 1 and scored the first goal of the season and hustled back hard, even beat Toews back most times, but Nylander made 1 bad pass that didn't lead to a goal against but he was relegated to the 4th line before game 1 was over.

I've seen Toews lose his man many times this season and that player scored, happened in the 7-1 blowout, and it happened twice to Keith, I only watched till 5-1 so three out of five were Toews and Keiths fault for losing their man.

The problem is management and the coaches.

[BigT]

Dec 26, 2019 8:47:51 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Dec 24, 2019 15:14:50 GMT -6 BigT said:

I think it was a direct shot at Stan for lynching him with Nylander for half the year. When Toews and Kane are together, you see the results. I don’t think they have it in them to carry players at this point. And part of the problem more than likely is guys getting preferential treatment and not earning their way. Toews looked super pissed when he spoke!!!

You dislike Nylander so much you're just making assumptions, Nylander looked good in game 1 and scored the first goal of the season and hustled back hard, even beat Toews back most times, but Nylander made 1 bad pass that didn't lead to a goal against but he was relegated to the 4th line before game 1 was over.

I've seen Toews lose his man many times this season and that player scored, happened in the 7-1 blowout, and it happened twice to Keith, I only watched till 5-1 so three out of five were Toews and Keiths fault for losing their man.

The problem is management and the coaches.

I really don’t have any disdain for the kid. I’d like him to work for us. But I see far too many terrible mistakes due to not being physical. That giveaway in front of his own net was a synopsis of his being. He’s just not what we need. He may go on like Duclair and do something elsewhere, but I doubt this guy will ever get it. He’s just not an NHL player at this point.

True story. I was at the Spits game, this was about a month or so ago. I seen 3 of their scouts there ( scouts always sit a few rows above us and everyone from that section kinda hangs out in the hallways in the intermission), I was talking with them about Nylander. I posted it on here or the other site a while back. They kinda laughed and said good luck. They said that they were more than thrilled with Joker, and raved about him and that they did a great job scouting him ( in a jokingly pat yourself on the back type way). But they really had nothing good to say about him, just “good luck” with him. That’s not a good sign at all. Especially when the worst GM in the history of the game thought it was a great effing idea!!!

[squishy24]

Toews haven't looked good with anyone in his line other than Kane or Kubalik, so JC should keep that line.

[BigT]

Dec 26, 2019 9:17:43 GMT -6 squishy24 said:

Toews haven't looked good with anyone in his line other than Kane or Kubalik, so JC should keep that line.

It’s not like Nylander or any other AHL fill that’s been on Toews line has helped any other line. Stan Bowman is clearly hoping that Toews and or Kane can make his guys look better than they are and Stan saves his job. I think it’s clear as day that Toews has no interest playing with AHL guys anymore. I think you’re right, the coaching staff should leave lines alone for a while. The reaction from the players is very telling!!!

[hsbob]

Dec 26, 2019 9:17:43 GMT -6 squishy24 said:

Toews haven't looked good with anyone in his line other than Kane or Kubalik, so JC should keep that line.

And Kane had his best career season ever playing with JT most of last year too and that was with mostly knuckleheads on the other wing. The names may change but the fact remains a goal scorer needs someone to set them up and a passer needs someone to finish set ups. I know linemates like Sikura and Nylander result in a lot of critical fodder directed at JT but a good Org wouldn't waste a high paid player like that.
 

[hsbob]

Dec 26, 2019 8:47:51 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Dec 24, 2019 15:14:50 GMT -6 BigT said:

I think it was a direct shot at Stan for lynching him with Nylander for half the year. When Toews and Kane are together, you see the results. I don’t think they have it in them to carry players at this point. And part of the problem more than likely is guys getting preferential treatment and not earning their way. Toews looked super pissed when he spoke!!!

You dislike Nylander so much you're just making assumptions, Nylander looked good in game 1 and scored the first goal of the season and hustled back hard, even beat Toews back most times, but Nylander made 1 bad pass that didn't lead to a goal against but he was relegated to the 4th line before game 1 was over.

I've seen Toews lose his man many times this season and that player scored, happened in the 7-1 blowout, and it happened twice to Keith, I only watched till 5-1 so three out of five were Toews and Keiths fault for losing their man.

The problem is management and the coaches.

Seems you'd rather have Nylander on your team than Toews or Keith. Who's fault were the last three failed years......Nylander blamed the Buffalo Org when he left.

[squishy24]

Dec 26, 2019 10:02:41 GMT -6 BigT said:

Dec 26, 2019 9:17:43 GMT -6 squishy24 said:

Toews haven't looked good with anyone in his line other than Kane or Kubalik, so JC should keep that line.

It’s not like Nylander or any other AHL fill that’s been on Toews line has helped any other line. Stan Bowman is clearly hoping that Toews and or Kane can make his guys look better than they are and Stan saves his job. I think it’s clear as day that Toews has no interest playing with AHL guys anymore. I think you’re right, the coaching staff should leave lines alone for a while. The reaction from the players is very telling!!!

Nylander looked "ok" at the beginning of the year in the 4th line with Smith and Carpenter, and that's where he should stay for now. Minimal 4th line minutes playing against weaker opponent's line. I agree, he shouldn't get the "Sikura experiment" of last year where he'll be given unearned minutes.

[squishy24]

Dec 26, 2019 10:52:27 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Dec 26, 2019 9:17:43 GMT -6 squishy24 said:

Toews haven't looked good with anyone in his line other than Kane or Kubalik, so JC should keep that line.

And Kane had his best career season ever playing with JT most of last year too and that was with mostly knuckleheads on the other wing. The names may change but the fact remains a goal scorer needs someone to set them up and a passer needs someone to finish set ups. I know linemates like Sikura and Nylander result in a lot of critical fodder directed at JT but a good Org wouldn't waste a high paid player like that.
 

^ and they shouldn't. The org needs to decide whether a full rebuild is needed (trade the core) or help the core maximize their talents. Kane needs to be in a line with Toews (along with preferably Kubalik) the rest of the way. I think Bowman used all the "luck" he had years ago on finding the right depth to make this team competitive.

[OldTimeHawky]

Dec 26, 2019 10:56:38 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Dec 26, 2019 8:47:51 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

You dislike Nylander so much you're just making assumptions, Nylander looked good in game 1 and scored the first goal of the season and hustled back hard, even beat Toews back most times, but Nylander made 1 bad pass that didn't lead to a goal against but he was relegated to the 4th line before game 1 was over.

I've seen Toews lose his man many times this season and that player scored, happened in the 7-1 blowout, and it happened twice to Keith, I only watched till 5-1 so three out of five were Toews and Keiths fault for losing their man.

The problem is management and the coaches.

Seems you'd rather have Nylander on your team than Toews or Keith. Who's fault were the last three failed years......Nylander blamed the Buffalo Org when he left.

Wow that's a stretch and completely false, just because I don't hate Nylander like most of you, doesn't mean I want him over Toews and Keith, that's completely absurd.

Lehner had nothing good to say about Buffalo as well, was he lying too?

[OldTimeHawky]

Dec 26, 2019 9:02:49 GMT -6 BigT said:

Dec 26, 2019 8:47:51 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

You dislike Nylander so much you're just making assumptions, Nylander looked good in game 1 and scored the first goal of the season and hustled back hard, even beat Toews back most times, but Nylander made 1 bad pass that didn't lead to a goal against but he was relegated to the 4th line before game 1 was over.

I've seen Toews lose his man many times this season and that player scored, happened in the 7-1 blowout, and it happened twice to Keith, I only watched till 5-1 so three out of five were Toews and Keiths fault for losing their man.

The problem is management and the coaches.

I really don’t have any disdain for the kid. I’d like him to work for us. But I see far too many terrible mistakes due to not being physical. That giveaway in front of his own net was a synopsis of his being. He’s just not what we need. He may go on like Duclair and do something elsewhere, but I doubt this guy will ever get it. He’s just not an NHL player at this point.

True story. I was at the Spits game, this was about a month or so ago. I seen 3 of their scouts there ( scouts always sit a few rows above us and everyone from that section kinda hangs out in the hallways in the intermission), I was talking with them about Nylander. I posted it on here or the other site a while back. They kinda laughed and said good luck. They said that they were more than thrilled with Joker, and raved about him and that they did a great job scouting him ( in a jokingly pat yourself on the back type way). But they really had nothing good to say about him, just “good luck” with him. That’s not a good sign at all. Especially when the worst GM in the history of the game thought it was a great effing idea!!!

You fooled me then cause you never have anything good to say about him and said many times he's not an NHL player. His skating, puck control, and shot suggests otherwise, he just needs more experience and NHL games to figure out what he can do and what he can't do, like a rookie needs to do. No he's not physical but he's not a weak little player and shows good 2nd and 3rd effort when fighting for pucks.

And I honestly don't care what Buffalos scouts have to say. Yeah I'd rather have Jokiharju but even Lehner had nothing good to say about Buffalo.

[hsbob]

Dec 26, 2019 14:24:38 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Dec 26, 2019 10:56:38 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Seems you'd rather have Nylander on your team than Toews or Keith. Who's fault were the last three failed years......Nylander blamed the Buffalo Org when he left.

Wow that's a stretch and completely false, just because I don't hate Nylander like most of you, doesn't mean I want him over Toews and Keith, that's completely absurd.

Lehner had nothing good to say about Buffalo as well, was he lying too?

I'll admit that was a stretch but not absurd because you pointed to mistakes JT and Keith made as a defense of Nylander…….other guys sucked too doesn't say much about Nylander IMO.
Eichel and our 20yro cast off,D-man with the bad attitude seem to be doing OK up there and the Isle had no interest in bringing Lehner back for a reason and they're doing as well or better then last year. Lehner didn't like Buffalo,he may not have liked NY and doesn't seem to like it here much either...….some guys don't like anything.

I appreciate the spirited back n forth OTH.....no disrespect meant!

[OldTimeHawky]

Dec 26, 2019 14:45:22 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Dec 26, 2019 14:24:38 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Wow that's a stretch and completely false, just because I don't hate Nylander like most of you, doesn't mean I want him over Toews and Keith, that's completely absurd.

Lehner had nothing good to say about Buffalo as well, was he lying too?

I'll admit that was a stretch but not absurd because you pointed to mistakes JT and Keith made as a defense of Nylander…….other guys sucked too doesn't say much about Nylander IMO.
Eichel and our 20yro cast off,D-man with the bad attitude seem to be doing OK up there and the Isle had no interest in bringing Lehner back for a reason and they're doing as well or better then last year. Lehner didn't like Buffalo,he may not have liked NY and doesn't seem to like it here much either...….some guys don't like anything.

I appreciate the spirited back n forth OTH.....no disrespect meant!

I appreciate our spirited back and forths as well, we agree on most things but at least we can talk out our differences.

BigT mentioned Toews interview after the Jersey loss and speculated he was talking about Nylander, I just brought up Toews and Keith losing their man on 3 of the first 5 goals because those can't be put on a rookie. I blame Collitons system.

I looked at Nylanders numbers and he's on pace for over 30pts, not bad for a kid being played all over the lineup and hardly any PP time. He also just missed on some good shots and hit some posts, he could easily be at 20pts with some luckier bounces. But no point in what ifs lol

[galaxytrash]

Dec 26, 2019 19:34:07 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Dec 26, 2019 14:45:22 GMT -6 hsbob said:

I appreciate the spirited back n forth OTH.....no disrespect meant!

I appreciate our spirited back and forths as well, we agree on most things but at least we can talk out our differences.

for volume's sake, nobody debates as much as bobby boy.

you could call him a mass debater.   : )

[BigT]

Dec 26, 2019 14:32:46 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Dec 26, 2019 9:02:49 GMT -6 BigT said:

I really don’t have any disdain for the kid. I’d like him to work for us. But I see far too many terrible mistakes due to not being physical. That giveaway in front of his own net was a synopsis of his being. He’s just not what we need. He may go on like Duclair and do something elsewhere, but I doubt this guy will ever get it. He’s just not an NHL player at this point.

True story. I was at the Spits game, this was about a month or so ago. I seen 3 of their scouts there ( scouts always sit a few rows above us and everyone from that section kinda hangs out in the hallways in the intermission), I was talking with them about Nylander. I posted it on here or the other site a while back. They kinda laughed and said good luck. They said that they were more than thrilled with Joker, and raved about him and that they did a great job scouting him ( in a jokingly pat yourself on the back type way). But they really had nothing good to say about him, just “good luck” with him. That’s not a good sign at all. Especially when the worst GM in the history of the game thought it was a great effing idea!!!

You fooled me then cause you never have anything good to say about him and said many times he's not an NHL player. His skating, puck control, and shot suggests otherwise, he just needs more experience and NHL games to figure out what he can do and what he can't do, like a rookie needs to do. No he's not physical but he's not a weak little player and shows good 2nd and 3rd effort when fighting for pucks.

And I honestly don't care what Buffalos scouts have to say. Yeah I'd rather have Jokiharju but even Lehner had nothing good to say about Buffalo.

I honestly don’t see what you’re seeing. Again, I’d love for him to work out, but he’s been awful in the AHL too. I just don’t see what more games in the nhl will do for him? He clearly needs to play against competition more suited to his abilities. Which is the AHL.

What is acceptable for you for a year on the top 2 lines? I’d have to think that 45-50 points would be the only acceptable bench mark. Also to be a plus player. I can look past defensive deficiencies as long as he produces at the other end more than he allows at his end, hence the plus minus. I’m not sure we’re gonna see that, if we do, great. But I’d heavily bet against that!!!

[hsbob]

Dec 26, 2019 19:41:29 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Dec 26, 2019 19:34:07 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

I appreciate our spirited back and forths as well, we agree on most things but at least we can talk out our differences.

for volume's sake, nobody debates as much as bobby boy.

you could call him a mass debater.   : )

Shouldn't you be making pizzas?

[galaxytrash]

Dec 26, 2019 20:07:55 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Dec 26, 2019 19:41:29 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

for volume's sake, nobody debates as much as bobby boy.

you could call him a mass debater.   : )

Shouldn't you be making pizzas?

not today....i'm actually canning about 12 quarts of chili.

HNY mate.   : )

[vadarx]

just an update to the J-Bone thread....

2 points in October.

36 points in 35 games since.

turns out J-Bone is not too bad at hockey after all....

[hsbob]

We're seein' JT's apple basket fill up quickly lately now that he has someone to finish those sweet dishes,we'd probably see that goal basket fill up quicker if he had someone to return the favor too!
Kubalik has done a great job,he's played with determination,he knows how to finish and he knows where to go and when he goes where he supposed to go the puck has been there......Toews and Kubalik have been very good for one another. They've been MONEY!
I'll applaud the addition by SB and the boys when it comes to Kubalik but the right thing has to be done with his next deal and the right line mate his to be found for that line to take full advantage of the addition. Do these things and the team could have a dandy of a line for the next two years!

[T-man2010]

Jan 17, 2020 20:16:46 GMT -6 hsbob said:

We're seein' JT's apple basket fill up quickly lately now that he has someone to finish those sweet dishes,we'd probably see that goal basket fill up quicker if he had someone to return the favor too!
Kubalik has done a great job,he's played with determination,he knows how to finish and he knows where to go and when he goes where he supposed to go the puck has been there......Toews and Kubalik have been very good for one another. They've been MONEY!
I'll applaud the addition by SB and the boys when it comes to Kubalik but the right thing has to be done with his next deal and the right line mate his to be found for that line to take full advantage of the addition. Do these things and the team could have a dandy of a line for the next two years!

Wouldn't that just be Kane?
I'm thinking 2nd line should be 20-17-12

[shooter61]

I agree with both. kane should be up there, and no reason saad couldn't help strome and cat, and when strome gets back I would leave Dach their for a few, and saad caggs and kamph, should not be a bad 3rd , with strome back might make it easier on Dach
but I really think tazer and kane should be together

[OldTimeHawky]

Jan 17, 2020 20:16:46 GMT -6 hsbob said:

We're seein' JT's apple basket fill up quickly lately now that he has someone to finish those sweet dishes,we'd probably see that goal basket fill up quicker if he had someone to return the favor too!
Kubalik has done a great job,he's played with determination,he knows how to finish and he knows where to go and when he goes where he supposed to go the puck has been there......Toews and Kubalik have been very good for one another. They've been MONEY!
I'll applaud the addition by SB and the boys when it comes to Kubalik but the right thing has to be done with his next deal and the right line mate his to be found for that line to take full advantage of the addition. Do these things and the team could have a dandy of a line for the next two years!

I really like Kane with those two, Kane shouldn't be playing with Carpenter and the first shift vs Montreal showed that, he tried to find Kane with a cross ice pass and it was easily picked off because he's better suited for cycling and short passes.

Or put Kane with Debrincat and Strome and try Nylander with Kubalik and Toews, he does have speed and good agility, more of a passer but he also has a hard shot, why not try him with two strong 2way players. If he doesn't produce put Dach, Caggiula, or Saad with those two.

Saad, Dach, Caggiula, Kampf, Smith, and Carpenter will be a strong bottom 6.

[galaxytrash]

Jan 18, 2020 5:04:45 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Jan 17, 2020 20:16:46 GMT -6 hsbob said:

We're seein' JT's apple basket fill up quickly lately now that he has someone to finish those sweet dishes,we'd probably see that goal basket fill up quicker if he had someone to return the favor too!
Kubalik has done a great job,he's played with determination,he knows how to finish and he knows where to go and when he goes where he supposed to go the puck has been there......Toews and Kubalik have been very good for one another. They've been MONEY!
I'll applaud the addition by SB and the boys when it comes to Kubalik but the right thing has to be done with his next deal and the right line mate his to be found for that line to take full advantage of the addition. Do these things and the team could have a dandy of a line for the next two years!

I really like Kane with those two, Kane shouldn't be playing with Carpenter and the first shift vs Montreal showed that, he tried to find Kane with a cross ice pass and it was easily picked off because he's better suited for cycling and short passes.

Or put Kane with Debrincat and Strome and try Nylander with Kubalik and Toews, he does have speed and good agility, more of a passer but he also has a hard shot, why not try him with two strong 2way players. If he doesn't produce put Dach, Caggiula, or Saad with those two.

Saad, Dach, Caggiula, Kampf, Smith, and Carpenter will be a strong bottom 6.

that is a strong bottom 6.
i know you like nylander and i appreciate people who stick by their guns, even if i don't agree.
myself, i'm not sure he's ready. he whiffs on so many chances it's got me thinking it's a confidence issue. he does everything else okay.
i would LOVE to say to you at the end of the season that you were right, because nylander producing would make a BIG difference to this team's success.

[hsbob]

I admit to hating the trade,Buffalo now dresses seven D-men every game because they're fairly deep there and because Ralph Krueger absolutely refuses to sit Joker.....he's started em all so far and sees important minutes now. I admit to not being a fan of Nylander too but I haven't been his biggest critic either. I have to think Nylander is a player that JC and SB both wanted to succeed for many reasons but we still saw him scratched just a few games in and a few times since and his minutes cut......I have to also think that happened for hockey reasons and nothing else.
Some of us thought we'd see Nylander with K&T early on to see what we had and if he could get going right off the bat and gain needed confidence but we only saw it for a period or two here and there and I thought we'd see it for a month or two to be honest.
I don't know what to do with him at this point and neither does another HC,he's not a bottom six grinder,he offers little to no physicality(but that's not required in his defense) and his inability to even put his stick blade on some dandy passes makes top six a big stretch too. He's seen a good number of shifts with Kane lately with nothing to show for it......same goes for Carpenter though.
I do see ability but I don't see how you get it out of him.
Saad was on pace for 25 before his injury and it sounds like he'll draw back in tonight...…..will we see ANOTHER top six forward skating in the bottom six?