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Post by vadarx on Jan 21, 2020 3:20:32 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Jan 21, 2020 9:42:30 GMT -6
All I ever asked for JT was a winger who could finish and another one who isn't the latest 24yro AHL call-up. Kubalik played a very commendable defensive role with Saad and Kampf early on and that's still one of the things I like about him and he also showed a little finish with 6 goals on Dec 1st or about the time he joined JT's line. Don't get me wrong,Kubalik helped JT as much as JT helped Kubalik why? Because he can finish! Kubalik has worked hard to get his chances but you gotta admit he's been getting set up several times a game too.
JT did ply poorly early and doesn't have 20 by now because he missed too many early.....I'm loyal,I'm not not blind but he does have just about the same shooting % as Kane but 72 fewer SOG's. His assists are right where they belong now that he's settin' up a guy who knows what to do with em.
The guy's rejuvenated playing with Kubalik and the 3rd wheel hasn't even mattered to be honest......the chemistry has been THAT good. JT's board work and puck possession has been stellar,his defensive play and PK have been the same and his FO% basically never waivers and never has. Patrick Kane deserves all the glory he's received lately but Jonathan Toews is probably just as important to the team's success.
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Post by vadarx on Mar 27, 2020 21:40:09 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Mar 27, 2020 21:42:32 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 27, 2020 23:45:10 GMT -6
i'll often highlight the best quote from an article like that and discuss it but in this case i'd be pretty much copy and pasting the whole article. "candid assessment" was pretty spot on. |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 28, 2020 1:50:23 GMT -6
i'll often highlight the best quote from an article like that and discuss it but in this case i'd be pretty much copy and pasting the whole article. "candid assessment" was pretty spot on. indeed. I rather enjoyed it myself. |
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Post by Tater on Mar 28, 2020 2:13:28 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Mar 28, 2020 7:03:36 GMT -6
Toews all but said the revolving door of players is annoying. He did say something along the lines of when they had a solid team, you didn’t have to worry about other guys, now they have to always worry about certain things, and kind of babysit.
I think that speaks volumes to the guys that have been brought in. It really sounds like the core group hasn’t really wanted to babysit kids and take their focus off of winning. But they now have to wear many hats.
I would really really hope that management would listen to these guys. I think it’d be best to get everyone on the same page. Get the core guys in a room to air out their grievances with management. And according to Kane a wee bit back, management doesn’t do that, they don’t listen to the players. So there’s a huge disconnect, and that shows that management doesn’t really understand the full game.
I listen to a lot of Spittin Chicklitts. They give a great inside look at the game as a whole. Especially with retired players who don’t give a F*** what anyone thinks. I’ve heard soooo many guys talk about their interactions with the GMs. On any platform, I’ve not heard much about Stan ever interacting with the players much. I just don’t think he’s a hockey guy, and doesn’t understand or care for chemistry. He’s too stuck in his numbers world. Toews all but said the chemistry hasn’t been there lately.
Once Toews decides to hang up his skates, I really hope he enters management. I think he’d be a fantastic GM. He knows what flies in a dressing room, and he’d probably be in direct contact with his captain and coach about what can be done to improve the team while staying in charge!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:11:15 GMT -6
I'm kind of torn as to Toews donation of $100,000. On one hand I think that's a very nice gesture, on the other he's made over $43.5 million since signing his 8 year deal and can only donate $100,000?
A lot of celebrities coming out donating $1 million, with Drew Breez donating $5 million. These entertainers and sports figures, along with owners can certainly all afford to donate millions to help the cause during this crisis, and likely it's going to take millions, and more likely billions, once this crisis ends to stabilize not only this country, but the world. I'd love to see these millionaires and billionaires step up and show that people around the world matter, especially the first responders and those on the front lines, including those who work in essential businesses.
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 28, 2020 9:39:31 GMT -6
i guess his mistake was making his foundation's donation public.
and i don't think most team based athletes are the type to make their private donations known. jmo.
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Post by BigT on Mar 28, 2020 10:37:31 GMT -6
I think it’s amazing that anyone donates anything. Could Toews afford to give more? Sure. But he literally just gave away what most people make in a year and sometimes more than what people or families make in a year. I think it’s extremely generous.
On the other side of the coin. It would be nice to see ALL these extremely wealthy people fork out money so we ( the tax payer) aren’t burdened by this for generations. It would be nice to see the 1000+ billionaires and the million millionaires in America and Canada step up and raise a few trillion dollars to help the whole of the continent, small business’s and every family.
I still thinks it’s nice of Toews and or anyone to fire out that kind of scratch to one single cause. Now, if almost every sports star and or entertainer chipped in too, life could be quite amazing!!!
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Mar 28, 2020 15:07:12 GMT -6
I think that it's not a good financing model for our public projects -- not to mention the emergencies, such as the one that we are in the midst of -- to count on the generosity of rich people. We need to re-consider our taxation schemes.
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Post by BigT on Mar 28, 2020 16:06:58 GMT -6
I think that it's not a good financing model for our public projects -- not to mention the emergencies, such as the one that we are in the midst of -- to count on the generosity of rich people. We need to re-consider our taxation schemes. No doubt we spend too much as a society. I know here in Canada we have healthcare for all. But the reality is, in smaller cities and not so populated areas, the healthcare is not 1st world at all. In the bigger cities probably pretty effin good. So, it seems the monies aren’t allocated properly for that. When people are paying 50% or more of their income to taxation, something is horribly wrong. I don’t think it’s too much to ask the top 1% to chip in every now and then. They barely pay taxes and it would be nice to see them take it on the chin instead of the middle class. Middle class always has to pay for everyone. Yet the gap in funds between the 2 has never been further. At some point the middle class will not be able to carry these two amazing countries here in North America. We’ve been trained to be greedy, and not help our fellow man. I’m not angry or pissed off. Life’s been pretty good to me. But as a society, I don’t see it working, and I don’t see how it will work moving forward. Here in Canada many will be in for a huge surprise. When Trudeau first game to his position, they had the majority of the power. So they infiltrated a law that clearly stated that the government has the right to seize any and all of people’s money or assets if the government goes broke. So they’ll spend what ever they want, cuz they got literature that states that now. Again, the extremely wealthy will get away while the average person will lose too much. Plain and simple, less is more. We have to learn to live a life that doesn’t have much guvmint involvement. It’ll cost less and we won’t have malignant narcissists dictating our futures. Sorry, that’s my rant for the month!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 29, 2020 10:12:33 GMT -6
I think that it's not a good financing model for our public projects -- not to mention the emergencies, such as the one that we are in the midst of -- to count on the generosity of rich people. We need to re-consider our taxation schemes. When our country faces a disaster,it's up to the cavalry to come to the rescue. Hurricanes,earthquakes,terrorist attacks and other natural disasters are WAY out of the scope of the private sector's involvement and we don't have Viral meds,test kits,PPE's or ventilators today because they didn't fit the profit profile. More public/private partnership..... www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-us-tried-to-build-a-new-fleet-of-ventilators-the-mission-failed/ar-BB11RHeI?ocid=spartandhpA good friend called last night,I knew his wife(mid 40's) decided to keep flying as a FA for United and I was saddened to hear she had a high fever and a cough for a few days. She was told NO test for her since she hadn't been on an international flight but United called two days later to inform her a passenger was on one of her flights who tested positive so she was issued a medical order for a test......good luck. My buddy has talked to EVERY med org and govt agncy and the last word he got was first responders and med workers for the near future. I'm happy to report her fever has subsided but a slight cough remains......a 'suggestion' to self quarantine was how all those calls ended up! As I write this,a virtual army of connected lobbyists are positioning for their client's share of the two trillion that's just been dumped into the trough! |
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Post by BigT on Mar 29, 2020 13:19:59 GMT -6
I think that it's not a good financing model for our public projects -- not to mention the emergencies, such as the one that we are in the midst of -- to count on the generosity of rich people. We need to re-consider our taxation schemes. When our country faces a disaster,it's up to the cavalry to come to the rescue. Hurricanes,earthquakes,terrorist attacks and other natural disasters are WAY out of the scope of the private sector's involvement and we don't have Viral meds,test kits,PPE's or ventilators today because they didn't fit the profit profile. More public/private partnership..... www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-us-tried-to-build-a-new-fleet-of-ventilators-the-mission-failed/ar-BB11RHeI?ocid=spartandhpA good friend called last night,I knew his wife(mid 40's) decided to keep flying as a FA for United and I was saddened to hear she had a high fever and a cough for a few days. She was told NO test for her since she hadn't been on an international flight but United called two days later to inform her a passenger was on one of her flights who tested positive so she was issued a medical order for a test......good luck. My buddy has talked to EVERY med org and govt agncy and the last word he got was first responders and med workers for the near future. I'm happy to report her fever has subsided but a slight cough remains......a 'suggestion' to self quarantine was how all those calls ended up! As I write this,a virtual army of connected lobbyists are positioning for their client's share of the two trillion that's just been dumped into the trough!     I agree here, and I’m not trying to speak for you here. It seems like a lot of corporate America are willing to hold their hand out for freebees and any and every tax break that the common person pays for. If every now and then the top percentile has to chip in and help right the ship, so be it!!! |
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Post by Modry-Jazyk on Mar 29, 2020 20:03:06 GMT -6
I'm kind of torn as to Toews donation of $100,000. On one hand I think that's a very nice gesture, on the other he's made over $43.5 million since signing his 8 year deal and can only donate $100,000? A lot of celebrities coming out donating $1 million, with Drew Breez donating $5 million. These entertainers and sports figures, along with owners can certainly all afford to donate millions to help the cause during this crisis, and likely it's going to take millions, and more likely billions, once this crisis ends to stabilize not only this country, but the world. I'd love to see these millionaires and billionaires step up and show that people around the world matter, especially the first responders and those on the front lines, including those who work in essential businesses. everyone who shows he cares and he understands the menace is welcome.I am shocked by ignorance of many other 'celebrities' who don't care, who ie organized music concerts for 50K people (London), politicians who organized mass marches against "sexism which kills more people than coronavirus" for 120 K people (Madrid) or mass celebrations of Chinese New Year (New York City) in the time, when thousands people already died in Italy. because their weak medical system colapsed. Also It's not so important if he donated 100K or 1M if you just can't buy what you need now, for any money (ie lung ventilators).
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Post by Modry-Jazyk on Mar 29, 2020 20:27:01 GMT -6
about two months ago, when the virus hit the south Asia, minister of public health (?) of Thailand was complaing at airport about ignorant euro-tourists, who refuse to wear face masks there.That time I thought he is a bit arrogant, whoa, these tourists bring money to Thailand so what he's talking about ? Later in early March I've realised that I was wrong and arrogant and he was right.And now, it's about 10 days since all Slovaks including Ms. President and PM are wearing face masks, like those smart people in the Asia.So far 0 deaths in the SVK, very different than situation in some neighbour/EU countries.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 1, 2020 17:45:55 GMT -6
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jun 1, 2020 18:11:14 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Jun 18, 2020 8:31:06 GMT -6
I thought this article summed up JT's season pretty well...… blackhawkup.com/2020/06/17/chicago-blackhawks-regular-season-review-jonathan-toews/It would have been great to see the 20 goal streak continue so he could have joined only Kane and Ovi but it wasn't to be. Last year saw him with the teaam's best playmaker and Strome had a true 2LC season,this year saw him with no playmaker and no true 2LC......am I off base on this? It'll be interesting to see who's on the top two lines when the PO's get goin'...….better have two good ones! |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 23, 2020 8:39:16 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 23, 2020 9:08:41 GMT -6
I know the Captain's detractors will call this question an excuse but other than 14-15 when we had Richards and Vermette,when did the Hawks ever ice a true 2LC during Toews tenure here? Do Crosby and McDavid benefit from their outstanding number twos and how much? bob...i can't think of too many toew's detractors here. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 23, 2020 10:15:21 GMT -6
I know the Captain's detractors will call this question an excuse but other than 14-15 when we had Richards and Vermette,when did the Hawks ever ice a true 2LC during Toews tenure here? Do Crosby and McDavid benefit from their outstanding number twos and how much? bob...i can't think of too many toew's detractors here. Maybe age and all the recreational braincell burning I've done has diminished my memory but I thought I recall him being referred to as Jagr and suggestions of his letter being removed but I could be wrong. Other hockey boards I've visited haven't been as kind. Other than that,how are things with the biz and in general? |
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Post by creature on Aug 24, 2020 7:04:09 GMT -6
We had Sharp!😂 And TT! But that is where a lot of the problems began. We had wingers capable of being decent centers. And centers who just didn't have the time to develop. And we'll they couldn't. They were chasing cups so buying and renting actual centers had to be done to do that. That was a sacrifice that if not done probably wouldn't have yielded cups. We can bitch and moan about the past and the mistakes made from top to bottom but it's the past and we can't change the past. Even with all the mistakes there still remains 3 cups. This team needed to be blown up a few years ago instead of trying to keep putting band aids on gaping wounds. Everybody keeps saying the core is getting older yet years have been wasted buying veterans yet again hoping to get 1 more shot at glory. Think of all the kids that were pushed aside and traded that are doing well for other teams today because they were trying for that last shot at glory. Today with this team it is rookie nirvana with more to come. Keeping what we had who were developing probably would have had this team more on track to be a better team knowing the system instead of starting every training camp with new players who don't have a clue. That is how the cup teams came to being. A bunch of fresh young kids with a few seasoned veterans all learning a new system all at once. Q was the right coach at the right time but I think they all got set in their ways and thought they could just add older players to keep it going. There was no youth injected instead it all went to other teams so we could get their senior citizens. I didn't like what Toews said about the babysitting. He's the captain it's his responsibility to show them and if he believes it's babysitting? He's stuck in his ways and just expects them to know his ways and just do it. The core I believe is a big problem going forward if they don't open their minds. They need to go back to 2008-09 and buy into once again a new system. Hearing a few of them now say they are set in their ways doesn't bode well for the future. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 24, 2020 8:59:01 GMT -6
We had Sharp!😂 And TT! But that is where a lot of the problems began. We had wingers capable of being decent centers. And centers who just didn't have the time to develop. And we'll they couldn't. They were chasing cups so buying and renting actual centers had to be done to do that. That was a sacrifice that if not done probably wouldn't have yielded cups. We can bitch and moan about the past and the mistakes made from top to bottom but it's the past and we can't change the past. Even with all the mistakes there still remains 3 cups. This team needed to be blown up a few years ago instead of trying to keep putting band aids on gaping wounds. Everybody keeps saying the core is getting older yet years have been wasted buying veterans yet again hoping to get 1 more shot at glory. Think of all the kids that were pushed aside and traded that are doing well for other teams today because they were trying for that last shot at glory. Today with this team it is rookie nirvana with more to come. Keeping what we had who were developing probably would have had this team more on track to be a better team knowing the system instead of starting every training camp with new players who don't have a clue. That is how the cup teams came to being. A bunch of fresh young kids with a few seasoned veterans all learning a new system all at once. Q was the right coach at the right time but I think they all got set in their ways and thought they could just add older players to keep it going. There was no youth injected instead it all went to other teams so we could get their senior citizens. I didn't like what Toews said about the babysitting. He's the captain it's his responsibility to show them and if he believes it's babysitting? He's stuck in his ways and just expects them to know his ways and just do it. The core I believe is a big problem going forward if they don't open their minds. They need to go back to 2008-09 and buy into once again a new system. Hearing a few of them now say they are set in their ways doesn't bode well for the future. You're not alone in believing the core is a big problem going forward and I believe it's the only thing keeping this team from being the worst in the league. Yeah Q was the right coach at the right time and 10 times the coach we got now. "Rookie nirvana"? Is that code for another 170lb weakling added to the lineup? Covid-19 got us in the PO's and JT pretty much won a round by himself......CC kept the team from getting absolutely embarrassed against LV and that's "Core nirvana"! Yeah we can bitch and moan about the past or we can just embrace the bleak future that didn't have to be. We can re-visit every braindead trade or just wonder how much the 7.4M wasted on Shaw and Smith coulda helped the team THIS year. The loss of a 2nd,a 3rd and AA THIS year. We can also think about the luxury of having 8.5M to improve our defense and ending up with two mediocre guys instead of the one good one we needed. Nolander for the Joker should cost SB his job and I said that the day of the trade......BLEAK! |
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Post by nighbor on Aug 24, 2020 23:37:10 GMT -6
We had Sharp!😂 And TT! But that is where a lot of the problems began. We had wingers capable of being decent centers. And centers who just didn't have the time to develop. And we'll they couldn't. They were chasing cups so buying and renting actual centers had to be done to do that. That was a sacrifice that if not done probably wouldn't have yielded cups. We can bitch and moan about the past and the mistakes made from top to bottom but it's the past and we can't change the past. Even with all the mistakes there still remains 3 cups. This team needed to be blown up a few years ago instead of trying to keep putting band aids on gaping wounds. Everybody keeps saying the core is getting older yet years have been wasted buying veterans yet again hoping to get 1 more shot at glory. Think of all the kids that were pushed aside and traded that are doing well for other teams today because they were trying for that last shot at glory. Today with this team it is rookie nirvana with more to come. Keeping what we had who were developing probably would have had this team more on track to be a better team knowing the system instead of starting every training camp with new players who don't have a clue. That is how the cup teams came to being. A bunch of fresh young kids with a few seasoned veterans all learning a new system all at once. Q was the right coach at the right time but I think they all got set in their ways and thought they could just add older players to keep it going. There was no youth injected instead it all went to other teams so we could get their senior citizens. I didn't like what Toews said about the babysitting. He's the captain it's his responsibility to show them and if he believes it's babysitting? He's stuck in his ways and just expects them to know his ways and just do it. The core I believe is a big problem going forward if they don't open their minds. They need to go back to 2008-09 and buy into once again a new system. Hearing a few of them now say they are set in their ways doesn't bode well for the future. You're not alone in believing the core is a big problem going forward and I believe it's the only thing keeping this team from being the worst in the league. Yeah Q was the right coach at the right time and 10 times the coach we got now. "Rookie nirvana"? Is that code for another 170lb weakling added to the lineup? Covid-19 got us in the PO's and JT pretty much won a round by himself......CC kept the team from getting absolutely embarrassed against LV and that's "Core nirvana"! Yeah we can bitch and moan about the past or we can just embrace the bleak future that didn't have to be. We can re-visit every braindead trade or just wonder how much the 7.4M wasted on Shaw and Smith coulda helped the team THIS year. The loss of a 2nd,a 3rd and AA THIS year. We can also think about the luxury of having 8.5M to improve our defense and ending up with two mediocre guys instead of the one good one we needed. Nolander for the Joker should cost SB his job and I said that the day of the trade......BLEAK! I was not in favour of getting Shaw back because of his history of concussions. Still he started out meeting expectations unfortunately his history came back to haunt us. Smith did not play with the same passion as he did in Ottawa when he was at his best. It appears that he had back issues his last season in Ottawa because of his playing style and it either was not 100% healed or he suffered another injury here. He was operated on March 05, 2020. I would not call these acquisitions a waste of money but a cost of doing business. There has never been a manager in any sport with the ability of seeing into the future.
deHaan and Maatta were far from mediocre. At the time of his injury deHaan had the best +/- on D. He could make a case for being the best d-man at the time of his injury. Maatta proved his worth in the playoffs and trading away one of your best D-man does not make sense. He already has 2 SC's and he has yet to reach his prime. For the team to go a long way we need his ability to raise his game come playoff time.
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Post by creature on Aug 25, 2020 7:55:27 GMT -6
We had Sharp!😂 And TT! But that is where a lot of the problems began. We had wingers capable of being decent centers. And centers who just didn't have the time to develop. And we'll they couldn't. They were chasing cups so buying and renting actual centers had to be done to do that. That was a sacrifice that if not done probably wouldn't have yielded cups. We can bitch and moan about the past and the mistakes made from top to bottom but it's the past and we can't change the past. Even with all the mistakes there still remains 3 cups. This team needed to be blown up a few years ago instead of trying to keep putting band aids on gaping wounds. Everybody keeps saying the core is getting older yet years have been wasted buying veterans yet again hoping to get 1 more shot at glory. Think of all the kids that were pushed aside and traded that are doing well for other teams today because they were trying for that last shot at glory. Today with this team it is rookie nirvana with more to come. Keeping what we had who were developing probably would have had this team more on track to be a better team knowing the system instead of starting every training camp with new players who don't have a clue. That is how the cup teams came to being. A bunch of fresh young kids with a few seasoned veterans all learning a new system all at once. Q was the right coach at the right time but I think they all got set in their ways and thought they could just add older players to keep it going. There was no youth injected instead it all went to other teams so we could get their senior citizens. I didn't like what Toews said about the babysitting. He's the captain it's his responsibility to show them and if he believes it's babysitting? He's stuck in his ways and just expects them to know his ways and just do it. The core I believe is a big problem going forward if they don't open their minds. They need to go back to 2008-09 and buy into once again a new system. Hearing a few of them now say they are set in their ways doesn't bode well for the future. You're not alone in believing the core is a big problem going forward and I believe it's the only thing keeping this team from being the worst in the league. Yeah Q was the right coach at the right time and 10 times the coach we got now. "Rookie nirvana"? Is that code for another 170lb weakling added to the lineup? Covid-19 got us in the PO's and JT pretty much won a round by himself......CC kept the team from getting absolutely embarrassed against LV and that's "Core nirvana"!  Yeah we can bitch and moan about the past or we can just embrace the bleak future that didn't have to be. We can re-visit every braindead trade or just wonder how much the 7.4M wasted on Shaw and Smith coulda helped the team THIS year. The loss of a 2nd,a 3rd and AA THIS year. We can also think about the luxury of having 8.5M to improve our defense and ending up with two mediocre guys instead of the one good one we needed. Nolander for the Joker should cost SB his job and I said that the day of the trade......BLEAK! Getting rid of the Joker should have cost both Stan and JC their jobs. Remember it was JC who sent him down to the Rock. Yet now he has this chubby for Boqvist who is hands down not even close to the play of the Joker and continues to get the playing time in the NHL instead of the AHL. Everybody should have seen this day coming where they had to go with youth. And even more when they replaced Q with JC earlier than should have occurred. JC was being groomed in the Rock but I guess because he had a successful year Stan and company thought that was good enough to pull the trigger. JC isn't ready. The NHL ain't ready for European hockey and that is how he coaches. It's why the core is not buying into his system and why they are set in their ways. They are not ready for European hockey. Even when NHL players played in the Olympics they played more NHL hockey than European hockey. We are now in the youth age with a young coach who apparently cares about feelings. He doesn't even want to hurt the refs feelings. That's a cancer that is not going to bode well. You see lazy lackadaisical play from a lot of the players and it's spreading because they know there are no repercussions or discipline in doing so. It's also why the core doesn't need to buy into his system and can stay set in their ways. He's weak and best suited for NHL fantasy hockey where you can control the players without yelling at them or disciplining them. He's not ready for reality. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 25, 2020 8:28:44 GMT -6
You're not alone in believing the core is a big problem going forward and I believe it's the only thing keeping this team from being the worst in the league. Yeah Q was the right coach at the right time and 10 times the coach we got now. "Rookie nirvana"? Is that code for another 170lb weakling added to the lineup? Covid-19 got us in the PO's and JT pretty much won a round by himself......CC kept the team from getting absolutely embarrassed against LV and that's "Core nirvana"! Yeah we can bitch and moan about the past or we can just embrace the bleak future that didn't have to be. We can re-visit every braindead trade or just wonder how much the 7.4M wasted on Shaw and Smith coulda helped the team THIS year. The loss of a 2nd,a 3rd and AA THIS year. We can also think about the luxury of having 8.5M to improve our defense and ending up with two mediocre guys instead of the one good one we needed. Nolander for the Joker should cost SB his job and I said that the day of the trade......BLEAK! I was not in favour of getting Shaw back because of his history of concussions. Still he started out meeting expectations unfortunately his history came back to haunt us. Smith did not play with the same passion as he did in Ottawa when he was at his best. It appears that he had back issues his last season in Ottawa because of his playing style and it either was not 100% healed or he suffered another injury here. He was operated on March 05, 2020. I would not call these acquisitions a waste of money but a cost of doing business. There has never been a manager in any sport with the ability of seeing into the future.
deHaan and Maatta were far from mediocre. At the time of his injury deHaan had the best +/- on D. He could make a case for being the best d-man at the time of his injury. Maatta proved his worth in the playoffs and trading away one of your best D-man does not make sense. He already has 2 SC's and he has yet to reach his prime. For the team to go a long way we need his ability to raise his game come playoff time.
No bigger Shaw guy than me and that's why I posted a story out of Mtl back in the summer of 18 about the HORRORS of repeat concussions he had gone through. Hab's management said they woulda loved to keep Shaw after his best year and they had the space to do so but they feared his next concussion could be his last.......his downside was there for all to see(well,almost all) and it unfortunately allowed the gutsy little dude to play in only 26 games this year. Maybe a team with a few bigger,better suited guys to handle the rough stuff could bring Shaw in but he was the team's toughest guy upon arrival and he knew he had to fill that role here but filling that role cost him as it has Caggiula both years here because he's not suited for the role either at his size but he also knows how bad it's needed. Acquiring Shaw as part of a deal might have been worth taking a shot coming off the year I mentioned but pursuing him,assuming his entire salary and losing a 2nd and a 3rd to do it's a poor trade......NO way around that! Smith's four years removed from a good year and three from a decent year,the two prior to the trade should have been enough to scare away anyone with two braincells to rub together and AA's still a reliable starting NHL center as his numbers showed this year. I believe it's safe to assume the 7M+ spent on these two forwards sitting in the press box could have gone a long way if spent correctly while I watched John Quenneville skate on the top line in a PO game and a close-out game no less. Maata and de Haan are mediocre or maybe you prefer decent D-men and I said that from the start but so was Shattenkirk when TB signed him for 1.7M and I believe that eight and half million bucks coulda been better spent too. I'd move Maata because he'd bring a return and to clear the logjam at D,de Haan injuring his shoulder again and missing most of the year will make him harder to move than he was last summer and he was a salary dump then. Neither D-man is a minute eater capable of covering opponent's best players on a nightly basis. And then we have the tragic mishap of trading away a 20yro NHL ready D-man for a young forward who looks like a failure for another team........awful trade! |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 25, 2020 8:43:31 GMT -6
You're not alone in believing the core is a big problem going forward and I believe it's the only thing keeping this team from being the worst in the league. Yeah Q was the right coach at the right time and 10 times the coach we got now. "Rookie nirvana"? Is that code for another 170lb weakling added to the lineup? Covid-19 got us in the PO's and JT pretty much won a round by himself......CC kept the team from getting absolutely embarrassed against LV and that's "Core nirvana"! Yeah we can bitch and moan about the past or we can just embrace the bleak future that didn't have to be. We can re-visit every braindead trade or just wonder how much the 7.4M wasted on Shaw and Smith coulda helped the team THIS year. The loss of a 2nd,a 3rd and AA THIS year. We can also think about the luxury of having 8.5M to improve our defense and ending up with two mediocre guys instead of the one good one we needed. Nolander for the Joker should cost SB his job and I said that the day of the trade......BLEAK! Getting rid of the Joker should have cost both Stan and JC their jobs. Remember it was JC who sent him down to the Rock. Yet now he has this chubby for Boqvist who is hands down not even close to the play of the Joker and continues to get the playing time in the NHL instead of the AHL. Everybody should have seen this day coming where they had to go with youth. And even more when they replaced Q with JC earlier than should have occurred. JC was being groomed in the Rock but I guess because he had a successful year Stan and company thought that was good enough to pull the trigger. JC isn't ready. The NHL ain't ready for European hockey and that is how he coaches. It's why the core is not buying into his system and why they are set in their ways. They are not ready for European hockey. Even when NHL players played in the Olympics they played more NHL hockey than European hockey. We are now in the youth age with a young coach who apparently cares about feelings. He doesn't even want to hurt the refs feelings. That's a cancer that is not going to bode well. You see lazy lackadaisical play from a lot of the players and it's spreading because they know there are no repercussions or discipline in doing so. It's also why the core doesn't need to buy into his system and can stay set in their ways. He's weak and best suited for NHL fantasy hockey where you can control the players without yelling at them or disciplining them. He's not ready for reality. I haven't been JC's biggest critic and I thought a young HC might have had a good relationship with the younger guys but D-Cat and Strome both regressed after career years together and both were moved down to the bottom six early on to make room for a total mutt like Nolander and Boqvist seemed to regress as the year went on also. I like this Dach kid too but I'm afraid we'll need a better staff to develop him too. I believe SB fully endorses JC's style of coaching and he's quoted in an article I posted a few days ago on the last page of this thread saying "you don't have to be the biggest team to be competitive. You can compete through your speed and skill" Did this watch the Knights series? |
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