Toews

[creature]

Aug 25, 2020 8:43:31 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Aug 25, 2020 7:55:27 GMT -6 creature said:

Getting rid of the Joker should have cost both Stan and JC their jobs. Remember it was JC who sent him down to the Rock. Yet now he has this chubby for Boqvist who is hands down not even close to the play of the Joker and continues to get the playing time in the NHL instead of the AHL.


Everybody should have seen this day coming where they had to go with youth. And even more when they replaced Q with JC earlier than should have occurred. JC was being groomed in the Rock but I guess because he had a successful year Stan and company thought that was good enough to pull the trigger. JC isn't ready. The NHL ain't ready for European hockey and that is how he coaches. It's why the core is not buying into his system and why they are set in their ways. They are not ready for European hockey. Even when NHL players played in the Olympics they played more NHL hockey than European hockey.

We are now in the youth age with a young coach who apparently cares about feelings. He doesn't even want to hurt the refs feelings. That's a cancer that is not going to bode well. You see lazy lackadaisical play from a lot of the players and it's spreading because they know there are no repercussions or discipline in doing so. It's also why the core doesn't need to buy into his system and can stay set in their ways. He's weak and best suited for NHL fantasy hockey where you can control the players without yelling at them or disciplining them. He's not ready for reality.

I haven't been JC's biggest critic and I thought a young HC might have had a good relationship with the younger guys but D-Cat and Strome both regressed after career years together and both were moved down to the bottom six early on to make room for a total mutt like Nolander and Boqvist seemed to regress as the year went on also. I like this Dach kid too but I'm afraid we'll need a better staff to develop him too. I believe SB fully endorses JC's style of coaching and he's quoted in an article I posted a few days ago on the last page of this thread saying "you don't have to be the biggest team to be competitive. You can compete through your speed and skill"  Did this watch the Knights series? 

I was on board with JC to start. Wrong. He's useless as is Stan at this point if it continues. This was a Q being a veteran coach coaching veterans who had some knowledge of hockey vs youth who had none. And JC being young wanting to go with youth instead of veterans.

We old people need to understand that the game has been redeveloping for years because that's how the league wants to go. Size ain't an issue anymore speed is. I just hate that the Hawks want to

[hsbob]

Aug 25, 2020 15:19:14 GMT -6 creature said:

Aug 25, 2020 8:43:31 GMT -6 hsbob said:

I haven't been JC's biggest critic and I thought a young HC might have had a good relationship with the younger guys but D-Cat and Strome both regressed after career years together and both were moved down to the bottom six early on to make room for a total mutt like Nolander and Boqvist seemed to regress as the year went on also. I like this Dach kid too but I'm afraid we'll need a better staff to develop him too. I believe SB fully endorses JC's style of coaching and he's quoted in an article I posted a few days ago on the last page of this thread saying "you don't have to be the biggest team to be competitive. You can compete through your speed and skill"  Did this watch the Knights series? 

I was on board with JC to start. Wrong. He's useless as is Stan at this point if it continues. This was a Q being a veteran coach coaching veterans who had some knowledge of hockey vs youth who had none. And JC being young wanting to go with youth instead of veterans.

We old people need to understand that the game has been redeveloping for years because that's how the league wants to go. Size ain't an issue anymore speed is. I just hate that the Hawks want to

Until the postseason starts and we see the Caps and Blues go all the way or LV and Boston manhandle opponents. The Isle and Stars are also heavy teams taking advantage of it against speed teams right now.  

[mvr]

I have always preferred watching a team which primarily relies on speed and talent as opposed to physically and tight checking. I hated watching the Devils win their cups, and I was not a big fan of the Trent Yawney era Hawk team (which rarely seemed willing or able to take the play to the opponent). The left wing lock just about destroyed the game for me.

Nevertheless, a good team always needs elements of both physically and skill. Bowman got obsessed with small, speed guys for awhile. He seems to have come to his senses following the Quenneville firing. I see some size coming through the system.

[hawkinmontreal]

Aug 25, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -6 mvr said:

I have always preferred watching a team which primarily relies on speed and talent as opposed to physically and tight checking. I hated watching the Devils win their cups, and I was not a big fan of the Trent Yawney era Hawk team (which rarely seemed willing or able to take the play to the opponent). The left wing lock just about destroyed the game for me.

Nevertheless, a good team always needs elements of both physically and skill. Bowman got obsessed with small, speed guys for awhile. He seems to have come to his senses following the Quenneville firing. I see some size coming through the system.

I agree, the Hawks need some physicality, and yes there are some larger players in the pipeline, but the question is will they crack the lineup. The team as assembled is not going anywhere fast, in relation to the cap this is what we are looking at for a few more years. 
I would have to say however that Bowman is still obsessed with the smaller type players. A good team doesn’t have players like Nylander playing consistent minutes when he brings nothing to the table. 

[hawkinmontreal]

Aug 25, 2020 15:30:43 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Aug 25, 2020 15:19:14 GMT -6 creature said:

I was on board with JC to start. Wrong. He's useless as is Stan at this point if it continues. This was a Q being a veteran coach coaching veterans who had some knowledge of hockey vs youth who had none. And JC being young wanting to go with youth instead of veterans.

We old people need to understand that the game has been redeveloping for years because that's how the league wants to go. Size ain't an issue anymore speed is. I just hate that the Hawks want to

Until the postseason starts and we see the Caps and Blues go all the way or LV and Boston manhandle opponents. The Isle and Stars are also heavy teams taking advantage of it against speed teams right now.  

You are absolutely right Bob, speed is built for the regular season, size and strength wins in the playoffs.

[hawks27]

A big, fast team will usually beat a small fast team. The Vegas team has both, so right now they look like they might be the favorites to win the Cup. I'm hoping for the Isles to get to the finals and then see what shakes out.

[BigT]

Aug 25, 2020 19:09:15 GMT -6 hawks27 said:

A big, fast team will usually beat a small fast team. The Vegas team has both, so right now they look like they might be the favorites to win the Cup. I'm hoping for the Isles to get to the finals and then see what shakes out.

You could be right. The Vegans are a dangerous mix. However, it may not be the Canucks year, but they have an even more dangerous lineup than the Vegans. They’re young, but they have size, skill, grit, and a coach that will make radical adjustments to be the trap. Whereas Deboer has a more traditional outlook on the game. Which is fine if your team is good enough.

Actually, I have to give Deboer credit. He just had their team do the ole alleyoop there and Tuck scored!!!

[hsbob]

Aug 25, 2020 19:09:15 GMT -6 hawks27 said:

A big, fast team will usually beat a small fast team. The Vegas team has both, so right now they look like they might be the favorites to win the Cup. I'm hoping for the Isles to get to the finals and then see what shakes out.

There seems to be a misconception amongst Hawk fans that speed/skill players are exclusively small framed and there's little further from the truth. There's too many big talented players to list but the huge,physical beast otherwise known as the Great Eight has been the player of his generation so I will list him. I've repeatedly listed the miniscule number of players to succeed in the league at less than 180lbs also and there are few.....let alone less than 170lbs. The average player in today's game is 6'2" 200lbs or what we'd call a giant here. 

As far as our prospect pool goes,there's currently one forward over 6' and 200lbs and he's back in Sweden for good and other than the the buried Gilbert two young,tall D-men who need to fill out. The next two up could very well be Mitchell and Beaudin @173 and 168lbs respectively to join the 179lb Boqvist.....the Swiss forward signed will attempt to ply his trade in the league in the 170lb range too and Nordgren @5'9" 169lbs can't be far off either. I guess we'll see how the experiment works out.   

   

[BigT]

Aug 25, 2020 22:22:56 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Aug 25, 2020 19:09:15 GMT -6 hawks27 said:

A big, fast team will usually beat a small fast team. The Vegas team has both, so right now they look like they might be the favorites to win the Cup. I'm hoping for the Isles to get to the finals and then see what shakes out.

There seems to be a misconception amongst Hawk fans that speed/skill players are exclusively small framed and there's little further from the truth. There's too many big talented players to list but the huge,physical beast otherwise known as the Great Eight has been the player of his generation so I will list him. I've repeatedly listed the miniscule number of players to succeed in the league at less than 180lbs also and there are few.....let alone less than 170lbs. The average player in today's game is 6'2" 200lbs or what we'd call a giant here. 

As far as our prospect pool goes,there's currently one forward over 6' and 200lbs and he's back in Sweden for good and other than the the buried Gilbert two young,tall D-men who need to fill out. The next two up could very well be Mitchell and Beaudin @173 and 168lbs respectively to join the 179lb Boqvist.....the Swiss forward signed will attempt to ply his trade in the league in the 170lb range too and Nordgren @5'9" 169lbs can't be far off either. I guess we'll see how the experiment works out.   

   

I think the experiment has already failed here. The bigger problem now is to turn over the roster...... again. It takes a few years to turn a roster over. The guys I believe have to go are Caligula, DeHaan, Kampf, Highmore, Nylander, Quenneville, 2 of Boqvist, Mitchell and Beaudin will need to go. That’s over half of a roster. Can’t do it all at one time. Gotta see what ya got in some guys. And it’s not just a size issue, it’s a toughness issue too. Plus the coaching is stupid. Asking Highmore to be a grinder. He’s 5’10” 185, playing against 6’2” 210 guys and bigger. Nylander may be 6’2”. But he plays like hitting is taboo and he wants zero part of it.

I think the main problem here is Stan and JC are trying to replicate what Q had going on, but without puck possession and size to absorb the hits. The Hawks were great at keeping the puck under Q. Even on a line change, they would keep d back and instead of dumping it in, they’d drop the puck back and change, then stretch pass to try and catch the opposition off guard. Now it looks like a AA assistant coach is running the show!!!

[creature]

Aug 25, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -6 mvr said:

I have always preferred watching a team which primarily relies on speed and talent as opposed to physically and tight checking. I hated watching the Devils win their cups, and I was not a big fan of the Trent Yawney era Hawk team (which rarely seemed willing or able to take the play to the opponent). The left wing lock just about destroyed the game for me.

Nevertheless, a good team always needs elements of both physically and skill. Bowman got obsessed with small, speed guys for awhile. He seems to have come to his senses following the Quenneville firing. I see some size coming through the system.

Don't need to run people through the boards but also don't need it to be so tame it becomes co-ed.

[BigT]

Aug 27, 2020 9:11:33 GMT -6 creature said:

Aug 25, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -6 mvr said:

I have always preferred watching a team which primarily relies on speed and talent as opposed to physically and tight checking. I hated watching the Devils win their cups, and I was not a big fan of the Trent Yawney era Hawk team (which rarely seemed willing or able to take the play to the opponent). The left wing lock just about destroyed the game for me.

Nevertheless, a good team always needs elements of both physically and skill. Bowman got obsessed with small, speed guys for awhile. He seems to have come to his senses following the Quenneville firing. I see some size coming through the system.

Don't need to run people through the boards but also don't need it to be so tame it becomes co-ed.

I don’t know about you Creetch. But Co-Ed has been pretty fun in my life!!!

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Aug 25, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -6 mvr said:

I have always preferred watching a team which primarily relies on speed and talent as opposed to physically and tight checking. I hated watching the Devils win their cups, and I was not a big fan of the Trent Yawney era Hawk team (which rarely seemed willing or able to take the play to the opponent). The left wing lock just about destroyed the game for me.

Nevertheless, a good team always needs elements of both physically and skill. Bowman got obsessed with small, speed guys for awhile. He seems to have come to his senses following the Quenneville firing. I see some size coming through the system.

I said it when Q was fired and Bowman immediately started trying to update the team with numerous trades. He set up Q to fail, making it easier to fire him and bring in his own guy. Then suddenly he makes trades to try and improve the team. There is no doubt in my mind he sabotaged the QA's to get Tallon fired, and, knowing Wirtz wanted improvement or heads would roll he went out and filled roster spots with crap players to get Q fired. From beginning (Tallon) to end (Q) Bowman has proved to me to be a manipulative jerk who will screw with anyone who gets in his way.

[mvr]

Aug 27, 2020 14:58:39 GMT -6 phill9 said:

Aug 25, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -6 mvr said:

I have always preferred watching a team which primarily relies on speed and talent as opposed to physically and tight checking. I hated watching the Devils win their cups, and I was not a big fan of the Trent Yawney era Hawk team (which rarely seemed willing or able to take the play to the opponent). The left wing lock just about destroyed the game for me.

Nevertheless, a good team always needs elements of both physically and skill. Bowman got obsessed with small, speed guys for awhile. He seems to have come to his senses following the Quenneville firing. I see some size coming through the system.

I said it when Q was fired and Bowman immediately started trying to update the team with numerous trades. He set up Q to fail, making it easier to fire him and bring in his own guy. Then suddenly he makes trades to try and improve the team. There is no doubt in my mind he sabotaged the QA's to get Tallon fired, and, knowing Wirtz wanted improvement or heads would roll he went out and filled roster spots with crap players to get Q fired. From beginning (Tallon) to end (Q) Bowman has proved to me to be a manipulative jerk who will screw with anyone who gets in his way.

This is pretty much my position exactly.   Bowman knows perfectly well what a team needs.   He just wasn't interested in helping Quenneville get there.   His priority was to get the coach fired.   Now the agenda has changed.

The final blow was the St. Louis playoff series.   Bowman loaded up at the trade deadline, adding Ladd and making that awful trade with Montreal.   Quenneville obviously was pissed that he had not been consulted.   Instead of playing Weise and Fleishman, he continued with Mashinter, who was not NHL material.   Bowman was humiliated.    The Hawks should have won that series and made another run.   It did not happen.  Both men blamed the other.   

[creature]

Aug 27, 2020 11:28:24 GMT -6 BigT said:

Aug 27, 2020 9:11:33 GMT -6 creature said:

Don't need to run people through the boards but also don't need it to be so tame it becomes co-ed.

I don’t know about you Creetch. But Co-Ed has been pretty fun in my life!!!

I'm a bit older so there wasn't really any co-ed playing unless at family gatherings and the parents would tell the boys to let the girls play. They are relatives and though I'm a bit of a redneck it's a line I wouldn't cross for a feel.😜

[nighbor]

Aug 25, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -6 mvr said:

I have always preferred watching a team which primarily relies on speed and talent as opposed to physically and tight checking. I hated watching the Devils win their cups, and I was not a big fan of the Trent Yawney era Hawk team (which rarely seemed willing or able to take the play to the opponent). The left wing lock just about destroyed the game for me.

Nevertheless, a good team always needs elements of both physically and skill. Bowman got obsessed with small, speed guys for awhile. He seems to have come to his senses following the Quenneville firing. I see some size coming through the system.

 Q's system required thoroughbreds not plough horses.  Success meant late picks when all the good big skilled players were gone.   Stan made a habit of taking the best player available regardless of size so it meant smaller skilled players.  Since we stopped winning cups we have moved up in the draft resulting in a better selection of players.

Stan was saddled with Q and his system and now he finally has the opportunity to put his own stamp on things.  After the devastating loss to Nashville we got a glimpse of things to come.  Stan wanted a more physical team so he signed Wingels and Bouma who along with Hayden formed the fourth line and all were headed for two hundred hits until Wingels was traded.  He traded an older Hjalmarsson for a younger more physical d-man in Murphy.  He traded Panarin for what he hoped was a more physical Saad.  Finally he signed 6'5" defender Franson and replaced d-coach Kitchen who looked more like an accountant with Ulf Samuelsson who was not known for his politeness on the ice.

[hsbob]

Aug 28, 2020 8:19:04 GMT -6 nighbor said:

Aug 25, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -6 mvr said:

I have always preferred watching a team which primarily relies on speed and talent as opposed to physically and tight checking. I hated watching the Devils win their cups, and I was not a big fan of the Trent Yawney era Hawk team (which rarely seemed willing or able to take the play to the opponent). The left wing lock just about destroyed the game for me.

Nevertheless, a good team always needs elements of both physically and skill. Bowman got obsessed with small, speed guys for awhile. He seems to have come to his senses following the Quenneville firing. I see some size coming through the system.

 Q's system required thoroughbreds not plough horses.  Success meant late picks when all the good big skilled players were gone.   Stan made a habit of taking the best player available regardless of size so it meant smaller skilled players.  Since we stopped winning cups we have moved up in the draft resulting in a better selection of players.

Stan was saddled with Q and his system and now he finally has the opportunity to put his own stamp on things.  After the devastating loss to Nashville we got a glimpse of things to come.  Stan wanted a more physical team so he signed Wingels and Bouma who along with Hayden formed the fourth line and all were headed for two hundred hits until Wingels was traded.  He traded an older Hjalmarsson for a younger more physical d-man in Murphy.  He traded Panarin for what he hoped was a more physical Saad.  Finally he signed 6'5" defender Franson and replaced d-coach Kitchen who looked more like an accountant with Ulf Samuelsson who was not known for his politeness on the ice.

All were headed for 200 hits and Q was trotin' that line out a lot until SB blew blew it up half way through by sending Bouma and Hayden down to Rockford......he also sent 6'5" Franson down at the same time. These moves were done to make an ill-prepared HC look more prepared. Dylan Sikura is the face of this franchise now!LOL!

Buff,Ladd,Brouwer,Eager,Burrish and Frasier(all traded by SB) were thoroughbreds? SB was saddled with the best cap era HC the game has seen by a mile.......what's he saddled by now since we've been a last place team after Q's departure?

Murphy WAS a tough player with AZ but he's as soft as the rest now.....same with Smith.
    

[nighbor]

Aug 28, 2020 8:32:33 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Aug 28, 2020 8:19:04 GMT -6 nighbor said:

 Q's system required thoroughbreds not plough horses.  Success meant late picks when all the good big skilled players were gone.   Stan made a habit of taking the best player available regardless of size so it meant smaller skilled players.  Since we stopped winning cups we have moved up in the draft resulting in a better selection of players.

Stan was saddled with Q and his system and now he finally has the opportunity to put his own stamp on things.  After the devastating loss to Nashville we got a glimpse of things to come.  Stan wanted a more physical team so he signed Wingels and Bouma who along with Hayden formed the fourth line and all were headed for two hundred hits until Wingels was traded.  He traded an older Hjalmarsson for a younger more physical d-man in Murphy.  He traded Panarin for what he hoped was a more physical Saad.  Finally he signed 6'5" defender Franson and replaced d-coach Kitchen who looked more like an accountant with Ulf Samuelsson who was not known for his politeness on the ice.

All were headed for 200 hits and Q was trotin' that line out a lot until SB blew blew it up half way through by sending Bouma and Hayden down to Rockford......he also sent 6'5" Franson down at the same time. These moves were done to make an ill-prepared HC look more prepared. Dylan Sikura is the face of this franchise now!LOL!

Buff,Ladd,Brouwer,Eager,Burrish and Frasier(all traded by SB) were thoroughbreds? SB was saddled with the best cap era HC the game has seen by a mile.......what's he saddled by now since we've been a last place team after Q's departure?

Murphy WAS a tough player with AZ but he's as soft as the rest now.....same with Smith.
    

The moves were hockey moves not to make an ill-prepared HC look prepared because Q was the coach.  Kirby Dach is the face of the franchise not Dylan Sikura.

Yes these players were thoroughbreds and traded by Stan.  Thoroughbreds were what trading partners wanted and at plough horse prices.  Which one or two of the remaining thoroughbreds do you wish Stan had traded instead:  Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith or Seabrook or do you believe Stan should have repaid Toews and Kane who resurrecting the franchise and putting the team on their combined shoulders and carried the franchise to the first SC win in 49 years by insulting them with a $Bill type contract.  The team was heading towards the basement even with the mighty Q.

Murphy is still more physical than Hjalmarsson and it is to early to judge Smith because he played injured and finally had to have back surgery on March 5, 2020.

[LordKOTL]

Mar 29, 2020 20:27:01 GMT -6 Modry-Jazyk said:

about two months ago, when the virus hit the south Asia, minister of public health (?) of Thailand was complaing at airport about ignorant euro-tourists, who refuse to wear face masks there.That time I thought he is a bit arrogant, whoa, these tourists bring money to Thailand so what he's talking about ? Later in early March I've realised that I was wrong and arrogant and he was right.And now, it's about 10 days since all Slovaks including Ms. President and PM are wearing face masks, like those smart people in the Asia.So far 0 deaths in the SVK, very different than situation in some neighbour/EU countries.

 

Resurrecting this, but I hear Slovakia is barring entry to all US citizens.  Smart move IMHO, but kinda sucks because if this is still going on next year, I may have to miss my brother-in-law's wedding.

~~~
Back on topic.  I just want to say that in the Play-in & 1st round this year.  Toews had a monster showing.  Wanted to give him a shoutout for hios play and tenacity during the 2 series.

[hsbob]

Aug 31, 2020 8:53:28 GMT -6 nighbor said:

Aug 28, 2020 8:32:33 GMT -6 hsbob said:

All were headed for 200 hits and Q was trotin' that line out a lot until SB blew blew it up half way through by sending Bouma and Hayden down to Rockford......he also sent 6'5" Franson down at the same time. These moves were done to make an ill-prepared HC look more prepared. Dylan Sikura is the face of this franchise now!LOL!

Buff,Ladd,Brouwer,Eager,Burrish and Frasier(all traded by SB) were thoroughbreds? SB was saddled with the best cap era HC the game has seen by a mile.......what's he saddled by now since we've been a last place team after Q's departure?

Murphy WAS a tough player with AZ but he's as soft as the rest now.....same with Smith.
    

The moves were hockey moves not to make an ill-prepared HC look prepared because Q was the coach.  Kirby Dach is the face of the franchise not Dylan Sikura.

Yes these players were thoroughbreds and traded by Stan.  Thoroughbreds were what trading partners wanted and at plough horse prices.  Which one or two of the remaining thoroughbreds do you wish Stan had traded instead:  Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith or Seabrook or do you believe Stan should have repaid Toews and Kane who resurrecting the franchise and putting the team on their combined shoulders and carried the franchise to the first SC win in 49 years by insulting them with a $Bill type contract.  The team was heading towards the basement even with the mighty Q.

Murphy is still more physical than Hjalmarsson and it is to early to judge Smith because he played injured and finally had to have back surgery on March 5, 2020.

JMO but Franson and Bouma both had been solid role playing NHL'ers for near a decade when they got here and neither had done anything to deserve a demotion to the AHL and I doubt either expected it when they signed here. Hayden had also been part of a very productive 4th line when all three were sent down in early January of that year and all four played a massive part in Rockford's year......Hogs were bad before these moves.  If these moves that sent two of the team's biggest players down were just hockey moves....they were terrible hockey moves because they resulted in less deserving players like Forsling/Rutta and Sikura seeing ice time instead of more deserving players......Bouma was also a very physical player so no surprise there either.

A well respected poster on the old boards(Rob) showed us all how Buff and Ladd both @3m for one more coulda been kept w/o losing Hammer OR Sharp and it was absolutely NO mistake that SB moved every single large framed or physical player that summer just as he did again in the example above. Moving Buff just ten days after the parade and before the FA frenzy shows a panicked GM who jumped at the 1st offer......maybe SB didn't want to see another outstanding player that he didn't draft dominate the game which Buff went on to do in many ways.

The 'Mighty Q'?.....you bet can bet your ass on that! The HoF coach had missed the PO's once in his career before he got here and that was with a 95pt Avs team. Nothing mighty about his ill prepared replacement.....I'll tell ya that!  

[Modry-Jazyk]

Sept 3, 2020 7:46:21 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Mar 29, 2020 20:27:01 GMT -6 Modry-Jazyk said:

~~~
Back on topic.  I just want to say that in the Play-in & 1st round this year.  Toews had a monster showing.  Wanted to give him a shoutout for hios play and tenacity during the 2 series.

It works so far, Slovakia is one of the safest countries in the world so far. (now both for corona CCP virus and violent criminality )  Maybe they will alow you come here with some negative covid test proof.

as for hockey, this is season is over for me since March and I am afraid the next could be same bc, that ****** Wuchan virus just doesn't want go away :/ I watched coiuple of NHL and HAwks games from the last decade as sport channels which usually broadcast live games now offer many games and events from the past (not only hockey but football, tennis, alpine skiing, cycling, Olympics etc. .) It's sad for players like Toews or Crawford, the last of their prime years, such waste bc. some idiots 10.000 km away like to eat bats and rats.

PS: if you and better half of you will come to Slovakia, make stop for a couple of good beers in 'my' corona-free city as well, there are less tourists overall everywhere so it's ideal time

[BigT]

Sept 4, 2020 8:42:28 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Aug 31, 2020 8:53:28 GMT -6 nighbor said:

The moves were hockey moves not to make an ill-prepared HC look prepared because Q was the coach.  Kirby Dach is the face of the franchise not Dylan Sikura.

Yes these players were thoroughbreds and traded by Stan.  Thoroughbreds were what trading partners wanted and at plough horse prices.  Which one or two of the remaining thoroughbreds do you wish Stan had traded instead:  Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith or Seabrook or do you believe Stan should have repaid Toews and Kane who resurrecting the franchise and putting the team on their combined shoulders and carried the franchise to the first SC win in 49 years by insulting them with a $Bill type contract.  The team was heading towards the basement even with the mighty Q.

Murphy is still more physical than Hjalmarsson and it is to early to judge Smith because he played injured and finally had to have back surgery on March 5, 2020.

JMO but Franson and Bouma both had been solid role playing NHL'ers for near a decade when they got here and neither had done anything to deserve a demotion to the AHL and I doubt either expected it when they signed here. Hayden had also been part of a very productive 4th line when all three were sent down in early January of that year and all four played a massive part in Rockford's year......Hogs were bad before these moves.  If these moves that sent two of the team's biggest players down were just hockey moves....they were terrible hockey moves because they resulted in less deserving players like Forsling/Rutta and Sikura seeing ice time instead of more deserving players......Bouma was also a very physical player so no surprise there either.

A well respected poster on the old boards(Rob) showed us all how Buff and Ladd both @3m for one more coulda been kept w/o losing Hammer OR Sharp and it was absolutely NO mistake that SB moved every single large framed or physical player that summer just as he did again in the example above. Moving Buff just ten days after the parade and before the FA frenzy shows a panicked GM who jumped at the 1st offer......maybe SB didn't want to see another outstanding player that he didn't draft dominate the game which Buff went on to do in many ways.

The 'Mighty Q'?.....you bet can bet your ass on that! The HoF coach had missed the PO's once in his career before he got here and that was with a 95pt Avs team. Nothing mighty about his ill prepared replacement.....I'll tell ya that!  

Bob, I will back up that claim about Rob. I had a massive lengthy argument going with him as he defended Stan. I was the one that did all the math of keeping all the players and showed who the Hawks could have dumped. Once Rob seen the numbers, he went on a gawd damn heater. He was ready to sink Bowman’s ship with every missile. It was cool to see him see the light! He’s missed and I would love for him to be back. He was our first guy to start up the GDTs, and now Madrose has taken that task and does it awesome too.

But it was possible. Losing Huet, plus trading Campbell would have been more than enough. With the emergence of Keith and Seabs plus Hammer, it was clear Soupy wasn’t needed. Great guy, but that was the time to move him, and not the next year.

I believe the Hawks win in 2011 if the only lost Huet and Campbell. But that’s just me and my long war with the 1st lucky sperm club fella!!!

[hsbob]

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This balanced scoring theory aside,does JT put up career numbers again if left with Kane? Would they have been even better with Kane and Kubalik than they were with Kane and Sikura? LOFL! Could D-Cat and Strome have done as well or better than the year before if left together if Saad replaces Perlini? Two scoring lines are balance as far as I'm concerned and Nolander should never be on anyone's top six but he was.

[BigT]

Sept 14, 2020 8:41:47 GMT -6 hsbob said:

thehockeywriters.com/jonathan-toews-beyond-the-glory/
This balanced scoring theory aside,does JT put up career numbers again if left with Kane? Would they have been even better with Kane and Kubalik than they were with Kane and Sikura? LOFL! Could D-Cat and Strome have done as well or better than the year before if left together if Saad replaces Perlini? Two scoring lines are balance as far as I'm concerned and Nolander should never be on anyone's top six but he was.

Bob you’re right. But I fear they want the core guys gone and Scambo wants a shot at a rebuild himself. They’re gonna piss them off. Send them packing. Stan is convinced he has all the right young guys here to have a redo!!!

[hsbob]

Sept 14, 2020 16:06:44 GMT -6 BigT said:

Sept 14, 2020 8:41:47 GMT -6 hsbob said:

thehockeywriters.com/jonathan-toews-beyond-the-glory/
This balanced scoring theory aside,does JT put up career numbers again if left with Kane? Would they have been even better with Kane and Kubalik than they were with Kane and Sikura? LOFL! Could D-Cat and Strome have done as well or better than the year before if left together if Saad replaces Perlini? Two scoring lines are balance as far as I'm concerned and Nolander should never be on anyone's top six but he was.

Bob you’re right. But I fear they want the core guys gone and Scambo wants a shot at a rebuild himself. They’re gonna piss them off. Send them packing. Stan is convinced he has all the right young guys here to have a redo!!!

Scambo sure as hell wasn't gonna see K&T have career years again while the team floundered in last place and since he couldn't do anything about the last place part......he made sure the career year part didn't happen again.  Put K&T together and give em any decent winger and you'll have the best line on the team by a mile and one of the best in the league. Wirtz's won't let our genius trade the meal tickets,they got liquor sales to worry about anyway. 

[hawkfaninpdx]

If the Hawks are going for a full rebuild -- which, to my mind, is a bad idea -- wouldn't it make sense to trade both Kane and Toews? I don't believe that they have enough years left in them to wait for a new and better team to be put together.

[hsbob]

Sept 14, 2020 17:42:55 GMT -6 hawkfaninpdx said:

If the Hawks are going for a full rebuild -- which, to my mind, is a bad idea -- wouldn't it make sense to trade both Kane and Toews? I don't believe that they have enough years left in them to wait for a new and better team to be put together.

I'd like to know if the team considers itself a rebuilding team or a PO team but I believe it's the later. I doubt they have enough years left to wait either nor enough support to win anything.......welcome to no man's land.

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Sept 14, 2020 8:41:47 GMT -6 hsbob said:

thehockeywriters.com/jonathan-toews-beyond-the-glory/
This balanced scoring theory aside,does JT put up career numbers again if left with Kane? Would they have been even better with Kane and Kubalik than they were with Kane and Sikura? LOFL! Could D-Cat and Strome have done as well or better than the year before if left together if Saad replaces Perlini? Two scoring lines are balance as far as I'm concerned and Nolander should never be on anyone's top six but he was.

This entire post is missing something......it really sounds like the storyline of a soap opera, so, here it is. I give this post it's own title. Tune in tomorrow for the continuing saga on:

As The Scambo Turns 

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Sept 8, 2020 19:48:54 GMT -6 BigT said:

Sept 4, 2020 8:42:28 GMT -6 hsbob said:

JMO but Franson and Bouma both had been solid role playing NHL'ers for near a decade when they got here and neither had done anything to deserve a demotion to the AHL and I doubt either expected it when they signed here. Hayden had also been part of a very productive 4th line when all three were sent down in early January of that year and all four played a massive part in Rockford's year......Hogs were bad before these moves.  If these moves that sent two of the team's biggest players down were just hockey moves....they were terrible hockey moves because they resulted in less deserving players like Forsling/Rutta and Sikura seeing ice time instead of more deserving players......Bouma was also a very physical player so no surprise there either.

A well respected poster on the old boards(Rob) showed us all how Buff and Ladd both @3m for one more coulda been kept w/o losing Hammer OR Sharp and it was absolutely NO mistake that SB moved every single large framed or physical player that summer just as he did again in the example above. Moving Buff just ten days after the parade and before the FA frenzy shows a panicked GM who jumped at the 1st offer......maybe SB didn't want to see another outstanding player that he didn't draft dominate the game which Buff went on to do in many ways.

The 'Mighty Q'?.....you bet can bet your ass on that! The HoF coach had missed the PO's once in his career before he got here and that was with a 95pt Avs team. Nothing mighty about his ill prepared replacement.....I'll tell ya that!  

Bob, I will back up that claim about Rob. I had a massive lengthy argument going with him as he defended Stan. I was the one that did all the math of keeping all the players and showed who the Hawks could have dumped. Once Rob seen the numbers, he went on a gawd damn heater. He was ready to sink Bowman’s ship with every missile. It was cool to see him see the light! He’s missed and I would love for him to be back. He was our first guy to start up the GDTs, and now Madrose has taken that task and does it awesome too.

But it was possible. Losing Huet, plus trading Campbell would have been more than enough. With the emergence of Keith and Seabs plus Hammer, it was clear Soupy wasn’t needed. Great guy, but that was the time to move him, and not the next year.

I believe the Hawks win in 2011 if the only lost Huet and Campbell. But that’s just me and my long war with the 1st lucky sperm club fella!!!

New Mission: Does anyone know how to find Rob? Another great poster from the past. If I remember correctly he still posted regularly even after handing the GDT over to Madrose.

[hsbob]

Sept 15, 2020 13:09:18 GMT -6 phill9 said:

Sept 8, 2020 19:48:54 GMT -6 BigT said:

Bob, I will back up that claim about Rob. I had a massive lengthy argument going with him as he defended Stan. I was the one that did all the math of keeping all the players and showed who the Hawks could have dumped. Once Rob seen the numbers, he went on a gawd damn heater. He was ready to sink Bowman’s ship with every missile. It was cool to see him see the light! He’s missed and I would love for him to be back. He was our first guy to start up the GDTs, and now Madrose has taken that task and does it awesome too.

But it was possible. Losing Huet, plus trading Campbell would have been more than enough. With the emergence of Keith and Seabs plus Hammer, it was clear Soupy wasn’t needed. Great guy, but that was the time to move him, and not the next year.

I believe the Hawks win in 2011 if the only lost Huet and Campbell. But that’s just me and my long war with the 1st lucky sperm club fella!!!

New Mission: Does anyone know how to find Rob? Another great poster from the past. If I remember correctly he still posted regularly even after handing the GDT over to Madrose.

He and ICFS and I used to get together for games once in awhile and rob got married and stopped posting some time before the old boards closed,as a matter of fact,I don't remember much after discussing the Cubs WS with him. I talked to him a few years back and texted him a happy birthday after seeing the reminder last year at the old place.

He texted back so he's still alive and kickin' I presume but still married so maybe not kickin' all that much.  

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Sept 15, 2020 18:19:05 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Sept 15, 2020 13:09:18 GMT -6 phill9 said:

New Mission: Does anyone know how to find Rob? Another great poster from the past. If I remember correctly he still posted regularly even after handing the GDT over to Madrose.

He and ICFS and I used to get together for games once in awhile and rob got married and stopped posting some time before the old boards closed,as a matter of fact,I don't remember much after discussing the Cubs WS with him. I talked to him a few years back and texted him a happy birthday after seeing the reminder last year at the old place.

He texted back so he's still alive and kickin' I presume but still married so maybe not kickin' all that much.  

If you still have his number, dial him up and tell him about where we are. Maybe will see an appearance