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Post by hsbob on Sept 16, 2020 8:01:19 GMT -6
He and ICFS and I used to get together for games once in awhile and rob got married and stopped posting some time before the old boards closed,as a matter of fact,I don't remember much after discussing the Cubs WS with him. I talked to him a few years back and texted him a happy birthday after seeing the reminder last year at the old place. He texted back so he's still alive and kickin' I presume but still married so maybe not kickin' all that much. If you still have his number, dial him up and tell him about where we are. Maybe will see an appearance Lookin at old texts,he lost interest in posting back in 17 around the time he got married. I see several attempts on my part to get him back or out for a game to no avail.....that dog don't hunt. I will tell him about the little gin rummy game we got goin on here next time I wish him a HB though but I'm pretty sure I'll get a "thanks" back |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 16, 2020 9:12:20 GMT -6
If the Hawks are going for a full rebuild -- which, to my mind, is a bad idea -- wouldn't it make sense to trade both Kane and Toews? I don't believe that they have enough years left in them to wait for a new and better team to be put together. Both have an NMC so if they don't want to move...they won't. Another facet is that both are the de facto faces of the franchise which could alienate some of the HRR fanbase. The thing other thing with the stagnant cap--who could/would want to spend that much on a single franchise guy? If they do they'll have to send assets out, and with the expiry of their deals 3 seasons away the 'hawks could be eating some form of cap beyond that. IMHO both Kane and Toews are players who can still play at a very high level and will not likely see significant drop-off from where they are in the next 3 years. In the absolute worst case, that gives 3 years for a succession process. In the best case they are still highly viable and their next, less expensive deals that can continue to mentor the next gen. The eventual goal is not for them to be the driving force like they were during the runs, but eventually they become the Langs, Maddens, etc. types of players who have been there before and are guiding the Dachs in the right direction. The other factor is that in a well-run organization, the 'hawks rebuild (or eventual rebuild) will be dictated by what the next gen players are. Take Dach for a moment--he's looking like much more of a big-bodied C than Toews is. For all we know the upcoming rookie classes can play a much more crash 'n bang game than the puck possession game that the current group had in the past--that will mean the rebuilt team may have a different scheme than this one and only the densest of GMs would continue to pound a square peg into a round hole like a lobotomized monkey. If the 'hawks sold now on Toews and Kane, they would be either building blindly around prospects who we don't know what they are yet, or we'd be building from FA's, and that gets expensive really quick. Also, selling absolutely everything and building from the ground up requires a lot of hits and a lot of time. I think it took something like 8 seasons for the 'hawks to make it big from zero (and that was going through 3 GMs and I think 3-4 coaches in the process), and they got the right personnel and built a system around it. There were also misses in the process as well but I think the Smith/Tallon braintrust was a lot stronger in the rebuilding regard than Bowman. My $0.02. I think the 'hawks should just let the core contracts lapse and resign cheap as needed with the intent of succession--not building around the aging core. |
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If the Hawks are going for a full rebuild -- which, to my mind, is a bad idea -- wouldn't it make sense to trade both Kane and Toews? I don't believe that they have enough years left in them to wait for a new and better team to be put together. Both have an NMC so if they don't want to move...they won't. Another facet is that both are the de facto faces of the franchise which could alienate some of the HRR fanbase. The thing other thing with the stagnant cap--who could/would want to spend that much on a single franchise guy? If they do they'll have to send assets out, and with the expiry of their deals 3 seasons away the 'hawks could be eating some form of cap beyond that. IMHO both Kane and Toews are players who can still play at a very high level and will not likely see significant drop-off from where they are in the next 3 years. In the absolute worst case, that gives 3 years for a succession process. In the best case they are still highly viable and their next, less expensive deals that can continue to mentor the next gen. The eventual goal is not for them to be the driving force like they were during the runs, but eventually they become the Langs, Maddens, etc. types of players who have been there before and are guiding the Dachs in the right direction. The other factor is that in a well-run organization, the 'hawks rebuild (or eventual rebuild) will be dictated by what the next gen players are. Take Dach for a moment--he's looking like much more of a big-bodied C than Toews is. For all we know the upcoming rookie classes can play a much more crash 'n bang game than the puck possession game that the current group had in the past--that will mean the rebuilt team may have a different scheme than this one and only the densest of GMs would continue to pound a square peg into a round hole like a lobotomized monkey. If the 'hawks sold now on Toews and Kane, they would be either building blindly around prospects who we don't know what they are yet, or we'd be building from FA's, and that gets expensive really quick. Also, selling absolutely everything and building from the ground up requires a lot of hits and a lot of time. I think it took something like 8 seasons for the 'hawks to make it big from zero (and that was going through 3 GMs and I think 3-4 coaches in the process), and they got the right personnel and built a system around it. There were also misses in the process as well but I think the Smith/Tallon braintrust was a lot stronger in the rebuilding regard than Bowman. My $0.02. I think the 'hawks should just let the core contracts lapse and resign cheap as needed with the intent of succession--not building around the aging core. I don't disagree with your post Lord, the issue will be how much more can Kane and Toews take of losing, ruining the latter part of their careers. So although they may play out their current contracts, if the team continues to regress, I can't see them re-signing in Chicago for less money to mentor kids. I think it's more likely they'd want one more run at a cup and will find teams that may be a Kane or Toews away from putting them over the top (as you said, much like the scenario of a Madden moving on from New Jersey to get his chance in Chicago). |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 16, 2020 12:49:57 GMT -6
Both have an NMC so if they don't want to move...they won't. Another facet is that both are the de facto faces of the franchise which could alienate some of the HRR fanbase. The thing other thing with the stagnant cap--who could/would want to spend that much on a single franchise guy? If they do they'll have to send assets out, and with the expiry of their deals 3 seasons away the 'hawks could be eating some form of cap beyond that. IMHO both Kane and Toews are players who can still play at a very high level and will not likely see significant drop-off from where they are in the next 3 years. In the absolute worst case, that gives 3 years for a succession process. In the best case they are still highly viable and their next, less expensive deals that can continue to mentor the next gen. The eventual goal is not for them to be the driving force like they were during the runs, but eventually they become the Langs, Maddens, etc. types of players who have been there before and are guiding the Dachs in the right direction. The other factor is that in a well-run organization, the 'hawks rebuild (or eventual rebuild) will be dictated by what the next gen players are. Take Dach for a moment--he's looking like much more of a big-bodied C than Toews is. For all we know the upcoming rookie classes can play a much more crash 'n bang game than the puck possession game that the current group had in the past--that will mean the rebuilt team may have a different scheme than this one and only the densest of GMs would continue to pound a square peg into a round hole like a lobotomized monkey. If the 'hawks sold now on Toews and Kane, they would be either building blindly around prospects who we don't know what they are yet, or we'd be building from FA's, and that gets expensive really quick. Also, selling absolutely everything and building from the ground up requires a lot of hits and a lot of time. I think it took something like 8 seasons for the 'hawks to make it big from zero (and that was going through 3 GMs and I think 3-4 coaches in the process), and they got the right personnel and built a system around it. There were also misses in the process as well but I think the Smith/Tallon braintrust was a lot stronger in the rebuilding regard than Bowman. My $0.02. I think the 'hawks should just let the core contracts lapse and resign cheap as needed with the intent of succession--not building around the aging core. I don't disagree with your post Lord, the issue will be how much more can Kane and Toews take of losing, ruining the latter part of their careers. So although they may play out their current contracts, if the team continues to regress, I can't see them re-signing in Chicago for less money to mentor kids. I think it's more likely they'd want one more run at a cup and will find teams that may be a Kane or Toews away from putting them over the top (as you said, much like the scenario of a Madden moving on from New Jersey to get his chance in Chicago). Maybe that is the case and they want out, but at this point I have to assume they're holding to their NMC's because if they waived, that would have hit the media. I also think if they were asked to waive, that would have also hit the media. So maybe afterwards they decide to walk to greener pastures. I could also potentially see an "inmates running the asylum" situation where (and yes, this is pure speculation), if Stan continues to screw the pooch, either threatens to leave if he's not gone before their deals are up. Think about it from a visibility point: Who could the 'hawks get with losing Toews, Kane, or both who could become the name they are to the casual fan? Dach and Debrincat are nowhere near close. I figure if Toews or Kane want out, that's the low point right there--and approaching the $bill era. You know ticket sales will plummet. That there would be a shot to Rocky's upper left pocketbook. Again...speculation. |
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I don't disagree with your post Lord, the issue will be how much more can Kane and Toews take of losing, ruining the latter part of their careers. So although they may play out their current contracts, if the team continues to regress, I can't see them re-signing in Chicago for less money to mentor kids. I think it's more likely they'd want one more run at a cup and will find teams that may be a Kane or Toews away from putting them over the top (as you said, much like the scenario of a Madden moving on from New Jersey to get his chance in Chicago). Maybe that is the case and they want out, but at this point I have to assume they're holding to their NMC's because if they waived, that would have hit the media. I also think if they were asked to waive, that would have also hit the media. So maybe afterwards they decide to walk to greener pastures. I could also potentially see an "inmates running the asylum" situation where (and yes, this is pure speculation), if Stan continues to screw the pooch, either threatens to leave if he's not gone before their deals are up. Think about it from a visibility point: Who could the 'hawks get with losing Toews, Kane, or both who could become the name they are to the casual fan? Dach and Debrincat are nowhere near close. I figure if Toews or Kane want out, that's the low point right there--and approaching the $bill era. You know ticket sales will plummet. That there would be a shot to Rocky's upper left pocketbook. Again...speculation. I'm not saying they'll demand a trade during their current contracts. I just don't see them wanting to sign back here if the next 3 years are like the last 4. They'll be at the stage of their careers where winning will take a front seat and they won't want to continue to end their careers with nearly a decade of losing to look back on. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 24, 2020 20:14:38 GMT -6
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Post by hawks27 on Sept 24, 2020 20:49:03 GMT -6
Switch out Pierre Pilote for Seabs and I'd feel pretty good about the other choices. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 25, 2020 8:39:18 GMT -6
Switch out Pierre Pilote for Seabs and I'd feel pretty good about the other choices. Good call on 'Pete' my friend! The cup run of '61' saw Pilote lead the team with 15pts in 12gms while playing Norris caliber defense and a tough as nails attitude.....61pts for his PO career in 86gms too. JT also has as many PO GWG's as any Hawk ever. |
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Post by gigecj on Sept 25, 2020 10:12:38 GMT -6
What? No Toews?!!! Conn Smythe Winner! Captain for all THREE Stanley Cups! 5th in scoring! Clutch performer: Just a few examples includes the fantastic key assist for the Bickell goal against Boston in Game 6, the awesome assist on Kane's OT winner to take the series against the Kings, and his performance in Game 7 against the Ducks in 2015. There are clearly more that could be said here. And, it isn't just the points... No respect... Whom could conceive of a Blackhawk team winning so much as one Cup without him? Why couldn't they simply add him to that group? Ridiculous I say! |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 25, 2020 12:05:19 GMT -6
I agree that Toews would probably be my pick as well, but it is kinda hard to blame the writers for picking Mikita. I'd have done the Pilote for Seabs swap (who is also hard to take out considering the huge OT goals he has scored in the playoffs) as well, but tough call there too.
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Hull/Toews/Kane
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Post by hawks27 on Sept 25, 2020 12:22:45 GMT -6
Switch out Pierre Pilote for Seabs and I'd feel pretty good about the other choices. Good call on 'Pete' my friend! The cup run of '61' saw Pilote lead the team with 15pts in 12gms while playing Norris caliber defense and a tough as nails attitude.....61pts for his PO career in 86gms too. JT also has as many PO GWG's as any Hawk ever. I have a problem when comparing playoff scoring statistics from the "Original Six" days to the present, expanded playoffs of a possible 28 games for a team. The maximum number of games that could be played in the "O 6" times was 14. I have to believe that if we only compared semi-finals and finals' personal statistics, we would have a more level "rink" on which to make comparisons.
I am a huge Toews fan, but also remember what Stan Mikita did and I have to say the way the game was played back in the "O 6" would have a bearing on what we see.
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Post by gigecj on Sept 26, 2020 16:35:05 GMT -6
Good call on 'Pete' my friend! The cup run of '61' saw Pilote lead the team with 15pts in 12gms while playing Norris caliber defense and a tough as nails attitude.....61pts for his PO career in 86gms too. JT also has as many PO GWG's as any Hawk ever. I have a problem when comparing playoff scoring statistics from the "Original Six" days to the present, expanded playoffs of a possible 28 games for a team. The maximum number of games that could be played in the "O 6" times was 14. I have to believe that if we only compared semi-finals and finals' personal statistics, we would have a more level "rink" on which to make comparisons.
I am a huge Toews fan, but also remember what Stan Mikita did and I have to say the way the game was played back in the "O 6" would have a bearing on what we see.
I think it's also notable that in the Original Six Days, 2/3 or 67% of the teams/players made the playoffs whereas today, roughly 50% of players/teams make the playoffs. So, that kind of evens out the number of playoff games I would imagine. Regardless, I'm not asking to remove anyone from that list in the link we were given; I'm only asking to add another player. I see no reason why they couldn't do that. |
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Post by hawks27 on Sept 26, 2020 16:52:56 GMT -6
I have a problem when comparing playoff scoring statistics from the "Original Six" days to the present, expanded playoffs of a possible 28 games for a team. The maximum number of games that could be played in the "O 6" times was 14. I have to believe that if we only compared semi-finals and finals' personal statistics, we would have a more level "rink" on which to make comparisons.
I am a huge Toews fan, but also remember what Stan Mikita did and I have to say the way the game was played back in the "O 6" would have a bearing on what we see.
I think it's also notable that in the Original Six Days, 2/3 or 67% of the teams/players made the playoffs whereas today, roughly 50% of players/teams make the playoffs. So, that kind of evens out the number of playoff games I would imagine. Regardless, I'm not asking to remove anyone from that list in the link we were given; I'm only asking to add another player. I see no reason why they couldn't do that. I think you are missing the point of the expanded number of games in a playoff season. If a team went all the way to the finals in the "O 6" days, they probably played only 11 to 14 games that season. Now, a team that goes all the way to the finals probably plays about 20 to 25 games. A player getting 21 points in the 11 to 14 series has accomplished more than a player that has had the opportunity to play 20 to 25 games.
I also would like to have Toews included in the all-time team. His accomplishments are worthy of his being included. Have four forwards, and maybe even add a defensman (Wilson, Seabs).
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Post by hsbob on Sept 26, 2020 17:10:42 GMT -6
I think it's also notable that in the Original Six Days, 2/3 or 67% of the teams/players made the playoffs whereas today, roughly 50% of players/teams make the playoffs. So, that kind of evens out the number of playoff games I would imagine. Regardless, I'm not asking to remove anyone from that list in the link we were given; I'm only asking to add another player. I see no reason why they couldn't do that. I think you are missing the point of the expanded number of games in a playoff season. If a team went all the way to the finals in the "O 6" days, they probably played only 11 to 14 games that season. Now, a team that goes all the way to the finals probably plays about 20 to 25 games. A player getting 21 points in the 11 to 14 series has accomplished more than a player that has had the opportunity to play 20 to 25 games.
I also would like to have Toews included in the all-time team. His accomplishments are worthy of his being included. Have four forwards, and maybe even add a defensman (Wilson, Seabs).
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Post by hsbob on Sept 26, 2020 17:26:34 GMT -6
Good call on 'Pete' my friend! The cup run of '61' saw Pilote lead the team with 15pts in 12gms while playing Norris caliber defense and a tough as nails attitude.....61pts for his PO career in 86gms too. JT also has as many PO GWG's as any Hawk ever. I have a problem when comparing playoff scoring statistics from the "Original Six" days to the present, expanded playoffs of a possible 28 games for a team. The maximum number of games that could be played in the "O 6" times was 14. I have to believe that if we only compared semi-finals and finals' personal statistics, we would have a more level "rink" on which to make comparisons.
I am a huge Toews fan, but also remember what Stan Mikita did and I have to say the way the game was played back in the "O 6" would have a bearing on what we see.
Big fan of the 'O6' myself and comparing eras is always tough and the game was also tougher back then. I see JT with the type of solid two way game that would have translated well to any era and if we're comparing,let's compare Kane's .970pts per PO game and a +4 to Larmer's 1.03pts per PO game and a +22. All that said,Toews and Kane did what these greats from an earlier era didn't......win multiple cups. |
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I have a problem when comparing playoff scoring statistics from the "Original Six" days to the present, expanded playoffs of a possible 28 games for a team. The maximum number of games that could be played in the "O 6" times was 14. I have to believe that if we only compared semi-finals and finals' personal statistics, we would have a more level "rink" on which to make comparisons.
I am a huge Toews fan, but also remember what Stan Mikita did and I have to say the way the game was played back in the "O 6" would have a bearing on what we see.
Big fan of the 'O6' myself and comparing eras is always tough and the game was also tougher back then. I see JT with the type of solid two way game that would have translated well to any era and if we're comparing,let's compare Kane's .970pts per PO game and a +4 to Larmer's 1.03pts per PO game and a +22. All that said,Toews and Kane did what these greats from an earlier era didn't......win multiple cups. I started following hockey during the original 6 era. So I was pretty surprised when I recently saw that the original 6 weren't actually the original 6. Came across articles that explained the term Original 6 actually started being used in 1967 when the league expanded to 12 teams. I do remember watching original 6 hockey, so it would have been when I was under 6 years old, and I remember the expansion to 12 teams. So I've always thought original 6 was who continue to play in the NHL today. One of the teams that stood out to me in name only was there was an NHL team named Pittsburgh Pirates.
With that said, and jumping into the conversation, I still consider Gordie Howe as the all time points leader. As great as Gretzky may have been, he doesn't survive the 6 team league. The stars of that era were mean SOB's as well as top of the tier scorers like Howe and Bobby Hull to name 2. Rules wouldn't have been changed to accommodate Gretzky. I'm not sure he plays more then 5 seasons before he breaks down physically.
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Post by BigT on Sept 26, 2020 18:24:26 GMT -6
Big fan of the 'O6' myself and comparing eras is always tough and the game was also tougher back then. I see JT with the type of solid two way game that would have translated well to any era and if we're comparing,let's compare Kane's .970pts per PO game and a +4 to Larmer's 1.03pts per PO game and a +22. All that said,Toews and Kane did what these greats from an earlier era didn't......win multiple cups. I started following hockey during the original 6 era. So I was pretty surprised when I recently saw that the original 6 weren't actually the original 6. Came across articles that explained the term Original 6 actually started being used in 1967 when the league expanded to 12 teams. I do remember watching original 6 hockey, so it would have been when I was under 6 years old, and I remember the expansion to 12 teams. So I've always thought original 6 was who continue to play in the NHL today. One of the teams that stood out to me in name only was there was an NHL team named Pittsburgh Pirates.
With that said, and jumping into the conversation, I still consider Gordie Howe as the all time points leader. As great as Gretzky may have been, he doesn't survive the 6 team league. The stars of that era were mean SOB's as well as top of the tier scorers like Howe and Bobby Hull to name 2. Rules wouldn't have been changed to accommodate Gretzky. I'm not sure he plays more then 5 seasons before he breaks down physically.
Detroit Cougars actually played in Windsor at the Windsor arena. It was the oldest arena in use until we got our new barn in 2008. The Cougars opened the Olympia in 1927 a year after the Cougars birth. So it’s pretty cool to see a smaller city like Windsor host a team like that. Also I used to play at the Windsor arena with a bunch of Spitfires, we actually had Probert come out and play with us a few times right after he retired. It’s was pretty cool to play with someone like that. He was a cool dude too. I only got on the ice with him once we all the Spitfires hogged all the ice time with him. Another fun fact. Don Cherry played for the Windsor Spitfires in 51/52!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 26, 2020 18:54:09 GMT -6
just a fun note on the "Original Six" I saw the other day and this reminded me of:
*gt, cover your brother's ears*
"Of the Original Six, only the Toronto Maple Leafs have not advanced to the Stanley Cup Finals since the expansion, while the other five have appeared in at least three Finals since 1967 and have each won a championship at least once."
😅 that city is going to melt down when the Loafs actually win the Cup again, someday.....
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Post by BigT on Sept 26, 2020 19:41:18 GMT -6
just a fun note on the "Original Six" I saw the other day and this reminded me of: *gt, cover your brother's ears* "Of the Original Six, only the Toronto Maple Leafs have not advanced to the Stanley Cup Finals since the expansion, while the other five have appeared in at least three Finals since 1967 and have each won a championship at least once." 😅 that city is going to melt down when the Loafs actually win the Cup again, someday..... I just don’t see them winning the Cup. That barn is full no matter what. I was there doing a couple jobs on Tuesday and Wednesday. Talk to people there, and even if the team is absolute shit, they still think their team has a shot. They’re not hockey fans, they’re leaves fans. If the Leaves left the city and moved to Albuquerque. There wouldn’t be any hockey fans in that city. They’ve been saying for years “all we gotta do is just get in and anything can happen”. Hmmmm, that sounds an awful lot like someone we know!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 26, 2020 19:53:26 GMT -6
just a fun note on the "Original Six" I saw the other day and this reminded me of: *gt, cover your brother's ears* "Of the Original Six, only the Toronto Maple Leafs have not advanced to the Stanley Cup Finals since the expansion, while the other five have appeared in at least three Finals since 1967 and have each won a championship at least once." 😅 that city is going to melt down when the Loafs actually win the Cup again, someday..... I just don’t see them winning the Cup. That barn is full no matter what. I was there doing a couple jobs on Tuesday and Wednesday. Talk to people there, and even if the team is absolute shit, they still think their team has a shot. They’re not hockey fans, they’re leaves fans. If the Leaves left the city and moved to Albuquerque. There wouldn’t be any hockey fans in that city. They’ve been saying for years “all we gotta do is just get in and anything can happen”. Hmmmm, that sounds an awful lot like someone we know!!! I'm not really seeing it either. their defense is meh and their goaltending is even more meh..... of course I say that now and they'll move Anderson some how and sign Crow..... that'd fix one problem. hell, if they signed Crow, I might even cheer for em. *might* I saw some funny memes last week about loaf fans trying to figure out how to get Pietrangelo signed..... lol |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 22:11:41 GMT -6
So, during the intermission between OT1 & OT2 of saturday's stanley cup final game they were in studio and talking about experiences in potential clinchers OT games and Sharp referenced 2010 and said that....
what most don't know is Toews had gotten hurt in the 3rd period of Game 6 so if Kane hadn't scored the winning goal it was possible that the captain would not have been able to play Game 7
was anything ever said about an injury to him?
I was in a very loud and packed bar for that game, didn't notice an injury to him in the 3rd Period or whether he was on the ice in OT or not
anyone recall or know this bit of info.?
obviously he was fine enough to be on the ice and in full uniform to receive the cup from bettman and skate around with it
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 26, 2020 22:42:15 GMT -6
So, during the intermission between OT1 & OT2 of saturday's stanley cup final game they were in studio and talking about experiences in potential clinchers OT games and Sharp referenced 2010 and said that.... what most don't know is Toews had gotten hurt in the 3rd period of Game 6 so if Kane hadn't scored the winning goal it was possible that the captain would not have been able to play Game 7 was anything ever said about an injury to him? I was in a very loud and packed bar for that game, didn't notice an injury to him in the 3rd Period or whether he was on the ice in OT or not anyone recall or know this bit of info.?obviously he was fine enough to be on the ice and in full uniform to receive the cup from bettman and skate around with it nope. but i found this article from 2017 that confirms it. it's pretty funny that something like this hasn't seem to have managed to become common knowledge. or maybe it was just you and me that didn't know? : ) www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-blackhawks/how-jonathan-toews-injury-could-have-kept-blackhawks-winning-2010-stanley-cup "Jonny gets hurt in this game with less than 10 minutes to go in regulation," Quenneville says. "He can't really go. Thank God we scored early [in overtime]. I think it would have been impossible for Jonny to play Game 7."
It happened in the waning minutes of the third period on the play the Flyers evened up the score at 3-3. Toews was shoved into the goaltender after the goal was scored and stayed down on the ice grabbing his knee, then labored back to the bench hunched over.
"It wasn't until midsummer. I remember talking to him, he was still having problems with this knee," Sharp said. "That's when I was like, 'Holy shit, we wouldn't have had Tazer in Game 7.' That just shows you the margin of winning and losing is so small." |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 26, 2020 22:51:44 GMT -6
So, during the intermission between OT1 & OT2 of saturday's stanley cup final game they were in studio and talking about experiences in potential clinchers OT games and Sharp referenced 2010 and said that.... what most don't know is Toews had gotten hurt in the 3rd period of Game 6 so if Kane hadn't scored the winning goal it was possible that the captain would not have been able to play Game 7 was anything ever said about an injury to him? I was in a very loud and packed bar for that game, didn't notice an injury to him in the 3rd Period or whether he was on the ice in OT or not anyone recall or know this bit of info.? obviously he was fine enough to be on the ice and in full uniform to receive the cup from bettman and skate around with it not to sound like "that guy", but I noticed it when it happened while watching the game. I heard a while later about him possibly not playing in the next game, but my understanding is that makes for a good story but chances that he would have been kept off the ice were slim to none..... and, as you said, he was "fine" for not only what you mentioned but the days of celebrating that followed. |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 26, 2020 22:57:31 GMT -6
as an added note, if you look back at the box score, Toews lead all Blackhawk forwards in ice time in that game.....
I'm not saying he didn't get hurt, cuz he did. I'm just saying there is about a 0% chance he doesn't play in game 7.....
edit: an additional added note, if there was a game in a Final he might have missed, it was game 6 in 2013. did he? hell no, they would've had to have killed him. and what did he do that game? yeah..... that's why he is the fuckin Captain, gents!
edit #2: an additional additional note..... did they ever say anything about that injury? nope. has he? nope. again...... Captain.
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Post by Tater on Sept 27, 2020 0:14:00 GMT -6
Thanks guys. I didn't know about the seriousness of it at the time. Like Vadarx, I think he would have played unless he couldn't stand up, but dayum, if he couldn't play then likely no Cup.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 27, 2020 0:36:39 GMT -6
Thanks guys. I didn't know about the seriousness of it at the time. Like Vadarx, I think he would have played unless he couldn't stand up, but dayum, if he couldn't play then likely no Cup. i didn't see it at all. but then again....i guess i'm not one of "those guys." pffftt. |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 27, 2020 1:22:39 GMT -6
Thanks guys. I didn't know about the seriousness of it at the time. Like Vadarx, I think he would have played unless he couldn't stand up, but dayum, if he couldn't play then likely no Cup. i didn't see it at all. but then again....i guess i'm not one of "those guys." pffftt. lol..... were you even watching that game? were you still working at that time? go back and watch it again and I bet you'll see it straight away. I'm pretty sure either Eddie or Pierre mentioned it during the broadcast too. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 27, 2020 1:28:26 GMT -6
i didn't see it at all. but then again....i guess i'm not one of "those guys." pffftt. lol..... were you even watching that game? were you still working at that time? go back and watch it again and I bet you'll see it straight away. I'm pretty sure either Eddie or Pierre mentioned it during the broadcast too. i was still gainfully employed but as i've said, thnx to some good luck i never missed one game of all 3 finals....watched them all. i was always on my days off thankyou very much Buddha. yeah....i likely saw it but my memory is hooped. i'll be hiding my own Easter eggs soon. i just felt like giving you shit because....uh...no reason i guess. |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 27, 2020 1:34:25 GMT -6
lol..... were you even watching that game? were you still working at that time? go back and watch it again and I bet you'll see it straight away. I'm pretty sure either Eddie or Pierre mentioned it during the broadcast too. i was still gainfully employed but as i've said, thnx to some good luck i never missed one game of all 3 finals....watched them all. i was always on my days off thankyou very much Buddha. yeah....i likely saw it but my memory is hooped. i'll be hiding my own Easter eggs soon. i just felt like giving you shit because....uh...no reason i guess. haha, no need for a reason for that, sir! I actually was asking seriously cuz i recall you talking about having to work back then and didn't know for sure if you were able to watch. I am glad to hear that you were! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 1:50:58 GMT -6
So, during the intermission between OT1 & OT2 of saturday's stanley cup final game they were in studio and talking about experiences in potential clinchers OT games and Sharp referenced 2010 and said that.... what most don't know is Toews had gotten hurt in the 3rd period of Game 6 so if Kane hadn't scored the winning goal it was possible that the captain would not have been able to play Game 7 was anything ever said about an injury to him? I was in a very loud and packed bar for that game, didn't notice an injury to him in the 3rd Period or whether he was on the ice in OT or not anyone recall or know this bit of info.?obviously he was fine enough to be on the ice and in full uniform to receive the cup from bettman and skate around with it nope. but i found this article from 2017 that confirms it. it's pretty funny that something like this hasn't seem to have managed to become common knowledge. or maybe it was just you and me that didn't know? : ) www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-blackhawks/how-jonathan-toews-injury-could-have-kept-blackhawks-winning-2010-stanley-cup"Jonny gets hurt in this game with less than 10 minutes to go in regulation," Quenneville says. "He can't really go. Thank God we scored early [in overtime]. I think it would have been impossible for Jonny to play Game 7."
It happened in the waning minutes of the third period on the play the Flyers evened up the score at 3-3. Toews was shoved into the goaltender after the goal was scored and stayed down on the ice grabbing his knee, then labored back to the bench hunched over.
"It wasn't until midsummer. I remember talking to him, he was still having problems with this knee," Sharp said. "That's when I was like, 'Holy shit, we wouldn't have had Tazer in Game 7.' That just shows you the margin of winning and losing is so small."wow, great find... so it's true... holy cow, if kaner doesn't score and we have 2 days to stress over toews not playing and then he doesn't play and they lose who knows what unfolds after that |
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