Toews

[Deleted]

Sept 26, 2020 22:51:44 GMT -6 vadarx said:

Sept 26, 2020 22:11:41 GMT -6 @merper said:

So, during the intermission between OT1 & OT2 of saturday's stanley cup final game they were in studio and talking about experiences in potential clinchers OT games and Sharp referenced 2010 and said that....

what most don't know is Toews had gotten hurt in the 3rd period of Game 6 so if Kane hadn't scored the winning goal it was possible that the captain would not have been able to play Game 7

was anything ever said about an injury to him?

I was in a very loud and packed bar for that game, didn't notice an injury to him in the 3rd Period or whether he was on the ice in OT or not

anyone recall or know this bit of info.?

obviously he was fine enough to be on the ice and in full uniform to receive the cup from bettman and skate around with it

not to sound like "that guy", but I noticed it when it happened while watching the game. I heard a while later about him possibly not playing in the next game, but my understanding is that makes for a good story but chances that he would have been kept off the ice were slim to none.....

and, as you said, he was "fine" for not only what you mentioned but the days of celebrating that followed.

I guess it all depends what the injury was... obviously it wasn't torn ACL/MCL or he would have missed most of, if not the entire, next season... but that doesn't rule out a sprain of either or something to do with the meniscus... both of which i think you can still move around slowly/gingerly with

maybe 

[galaxytrash]

Sept 27, 2020 1:34:25 GMT -6 vadarx said:

Sept 27, 2020 1:28:26 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

i was still gainfully employed but as i've said, thnx to some good luck i never missed one game of all 3 finals....watched them all. i was always on my days off thankyou very much Buddha.

yeah....i likely saw it but my memory is hooped. i'll be hiding my own Easter eggs soon.

i just felt like giving you shit because....uh...no reason i guess.

I actually was asking seriously cuz i recall you talking about having to work back then and didn't know for sure if you were able to watch. I am glad to hear that you were!

it was pretty flukey actually, working 4 weeks on, 4 off with maybe 2 days travel each trip, likely half the time you had to come back early or stay late...for me to be home for every game of all 3 cups, idk....hockey gods?

[galaxytrash]

Sept 27, 2020 1:50:58 GMT -6 @merper said:

Sept 26, 2020 22:42:15 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

nope.

but i found this article from 2017 that confirms it. 
it's pretty funny that something like this hasn't seem to have managed to become common knowledge. or maybe it was just you and me that didn't know?   : )


www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-blackhawks/how-jonathan-toews-injury-could-have-kept-blackhawks-winning-2010-stanley-cup



"Jonny gets hurt in this game with less than 10 minutes to go in regulation," Quenneville says. "He can't really go. Thank God we scored early [in overtime]. I think it would have been impossible for Jonny to play Game 7."

It happened in the waning minutes of the third period on the play the Flyers evened up the score at 3-3. Toews was shoved into the goaltender after the goal was scored and stayed down on the ice grabbing his knee, then labored back to the bench hunched over.

"It wasn't until midsummer. I remember talking to him, he was still having problems with this knee," Sharp said. "That's when I was like, 'Holy shit, we wouldn't have had Tazer in Game 7.' That just shows you the margin of winning and losing is so small."

wow, great find... so it's true... holy cow, if kaner doesn't score and we have 2 days to stress over toews not playing and then he doesn't play and they lose who knows what unfolds after that

i'd rather not think about it thankyou very much.

like sharpie said..."that just shows you the margin of winning and losing is so small."

[Modry-Jazyk]

I don't know what NHL plans to do but here it seems there is no chance return back to normal hockey season this year.Will they start the season without fans on stadiums, it would be huge losses for owners.They cant pay millions to players without any return so long :/

[BigT]

Sept 27, 2020 6:13:24 GMT -6 Modry-Jazyk said:

I don't know what NHL plans to do but here it seems there is no chance return back to normal hockey season this year.Will they start the season without fans on stadiums, it would be huge losses for owners.They cant pay millions to players without any return so long :/

Unless something changes dramatically. There will be no season. I don’t see the Canadian government allowing American teams in. They didn’t allow baseball teams to come in and the Blue Jays were forced to play in Buffalo this year. So I really don’t see a season happening. They just can’t afford to pay the players without fans in the building. I think if the season is cancelled, it’s gonna Huet the league moving forward. The players may have to agree to a huge concession in their salaries. The cap may have to drop back tens of millions. The money just isn’t there!!!

[mvr]

Given the COVID situation, the smart move might be to think of this year as a wash.

Use the time off to blow up the roster and create real cap space. Move out assets that might not be around in a year from now early.

Specifically, I am thinking of Murphy and Saad. Both could be shopped for first round picks plus (perhaps Toronto's and New Jersey's). Teams want these players, so there is no excuse but to get max value for each. Then find a way to unload Maata and Dehaan (picks, B grade prospects) and buy out Smith. Debrincat remains the biggest trade chip. If Stan can correct his latest mistake and get rid of that contract this summer, it would be a win all around (perhaps for another first round pick). I also would not hesitate but to cut ties with Nylander, Koekkoek, Subban, Caligula, and Strome if the return for any of these players is intriguing.

The idea would be to set the team up with huge cap space leading into the next season with the ability to sign players at bargain basement prices and take on unwanted contracts when the games resume.

Before getting fired, Mike Smith chose a similar path just before the first NHL lockout. His replacement Dale Tallon blew up the entire plan on retreads: Khabibulin, Cullimore, Aucoin etc.

[mvr]

I also would not hesitate to listen to offers about Kubalik. I like the player a great deal, but I hesitate to commit to a player with big money or term after a single good season. Perhaps a contender offers a first round pick for him. If so, I might take that bait. Will the player's trade value ever be higher?

[Modry-Jazyk]

Sept 27, 2020 7:36:34 GMT -6 mvr said:

Given the COVID situation, the smart move might be to think of this year as a wash.

Use the time off to blow up the roster and create real cap space. Move out assets that might not be around in a year from now early.

Specifically, I am thinking of Murphy and Saad. Both could be shopped for first round picks plus (perhaps Toronto's and New Jersey's). Teams want these players, so there is no excuse but to get max value for each. Then find a way to unload Maata and Dehaan (picks, B grade prospects) and buy out Smith. Debrincat remains the biggest trade chip. If Stan can correct his latest mistake and get rid of that contract this summer, it would be a win all around (perhaps for another first round pick). I also would not hesitate but to cut ties with Nylander, Koekkoek, Subban, Caligula, and Strome if the return for any of these players is intriguing.

The idea would be to set the team up with huge cap space leading into the next season with the ability to sign players at bargain basement prices and take on unwanted contracts when the games resume.

Before getting fired, Mike Smith chose a similar path just before the first NHL lockout. His replacement Dale Tallon blew up the entire plan on retreads: Khabibulin, Cullimore, Aucoin etc.

I'd say at least next two seasons are lost because that wuchan virus won't disappear.Maybe even more years.

[hsbob]

Sept 26, 2020 18:04:04 GMT -6 phill9 said:

Sept 26, 2020 17:26:34 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Big fan of the 'O6' myself and comparing eras is always tough and the game was also tougher back then. I see JT with the type of solid two way game that would have translated well to any era and if we're comparing,let's compare Kane's .970pts per PO game and a +4 to Larmer's 1.03pts per PO game and a +22. All that said,Toews and Kane did what these greats from an earlier era didn't......win multiple cups.   

I started following hockey during the original 6 era. So I was pretty surprised when I recently saw that the original 6 weren't actually the original 6. Came across articles that explained the term Original 6 actually started being used in 1967 when the league expanded to 12 teams. I do remember watching original 6 hockey, so it would have been when I was under 6 years old, and I remember the expansion to 12 teams. So I've always thought original 6 was who continue to play in the NHL today. One of the teams that stood out to me in name only was there was an NHL team named Pittsburgh Pirates.

With that said, and jumping into the conversation, I still consider Gordie Howe as the all time points leader. As great as Gretzky may have been, he doesn't survive the 6 team league. The stars of that era were mean SOB's as well as top of the tier scorers like Howe and Bobby Hull to name 2. Rules wouldn't have been changed to accommodate Gretzky. I'm not sure he plays more then 5 seasons before he breaks down physically.

Wasn't Mikita a much small player than Gretzky yet he played 22 years under the original six era rules,Gretzky woulda had to learn the 'shave and a haircut' approach 'Stosh' took his first few seasons tough.

[hsbob]

Sept 27, 2020 7:36:34 GMT -6 mvr said:

Given the COVID situation, the smart move might be to think of this year as a wash.

Use the time off to blow up the roster and create real cap space. Move out assets that might not be around in a year from now early.

Specifically, I am thinking of Murphy and Saad. Both could be shopped for first round picks plus (perhaps Toronto's and New Jersey's). Teams want these players, so there is no excuse but to get max value for each. Then find a way to unload Maata and Dehaan (picks, B grade prospects) and buy out Smith. Debrincat remains the biggest trade chip. If Stan can correct his latest mistake and get rid of that contract this summer, it would be a win all around (perhaps for another first round pick). I also would not hesitate but to cut ties with Nylander, Koekkoek, Subban, Caligula, and Strome if the return for any of these players is intriguing.

The idea would be to set the team up with huge cap space leading into the next season with the ability to sign players at bargain basement prices and take on unwanted contracts when the games resume.

Before getting fired, Mike Smith chose a similar path just before the first NHL lockout. His replacement Dale Tallon blew up the entire plan on retreads: Khabibulin, Cullimore, Aucoin etc.

Is it still a "win all around" if D-Cat goes on to pot 500 in another jersey? 

[Deleted]

Sept 27, 2020 9:27:34 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Sept 26, 2020 18:04:04 GMT -6 phill9 said:

I started following hockey during the original 6 era. So I was pretty surprised when I recently saw that the original 6 weren't actually the original 6. Came across articles that explained the term Original 6 actually started being used in 1967 when the league expanded to 12 teams. I do remember watching original 6 hockey, so it would have been when I was under 6 years old, and I remember the expansion to 12 teams. So I've always thought original 6 was who continue to play in the NHL today. One of the teams that stood out to me in name only was there was an NHL team named Pittsburgh Pirates.

With that said, and jumping into the conversation, I still consider Gordie Howe as the all time points leader. As great as Gretzky may have been, he doesn't survive the 6 team league. The stars of that era were mean SOB's as well as top of the tier scorers like Howe and Bobby Hull to name 2. Rules wouldn't have been changed to accommodate Gretzky. I'm not sure he plays more then 5 seasons before he breaks down physically.

Wasn't Mikita a much small player than Gretzky yet he played 22 years under the original six era rules,Gretzky woulda had to learn the 'shave and a haircut' approach 'Stosh' took his first few seasons tough.

Stan was a tough SOB when he came into the league. Gretzky had rules changed to protect him.

[hawks27]

Sept 26, 2020 18:24:26 GMT -6 BigT said:

Sept 26, 2020 18:04:04 GMT -6 phill9 said:

I started following hockey during the original 6 era. So I was pretty surprised when I recently saw that the original 6 weren't actually the original 6. Came across articles that explained the term Original 6 actually started being used in 1967 when the league expanded to 12 teams. I do remember watching original 6 hockey, so it would have been when I was under 6 years old, and I remember the expansion to 12 teams. So I've always thought original 6 was who continue to play in the NHL today. One of the teams that stood out to me in name only was there was an NHL team named Pittsburgh Pirates.

With that said, and jumping into the conversation, I still consider Gordie Howe as the all time points leader. As great as Gretzky may have been, he doesn't survive the 6 team league. The stars of that era were mean SOB's as well as top of the tier scorers like Howe and Bobby Hull to name 2. Rules wouldn't have been changed to accommodate Gretzky. I'm not sure he plays more then 5 seasons before he breaks down physically.

Detroit Cougars actually played in Windsor at the Windsor arena. It was the oldest arena in use until we got our new barn in 2008. The Cougars opened the Olympia in 1927 a year after the Cougars birth. So it’s pretty cool to see a smaller city like Windsor host a team like that.

Also I used to play at the Windsor arena with a bunch of Spitfires, we actually had Probert come out and play with us a few times right after he retired. It’s was pretty cool to play with someone like that. He was a cool dude too. I only got on the ice with him once we all the Spitfires hogged all the ice time with him.

Another fun fact. Don Cherry played for the Windsor Spitfires in 51/52!!!

What type of sports jacket did "Grapes" wear after showering? 

[BigT]

Sept 27, 2020 11:09:16 GMT -6 hawks27 said:

Sept 26, 2020 18:24:26 GMT -6 BigT said:

Detroit Cougars actually played in Windsor at the Windsor arena. It was the oldest arena in use until we got our new barn in 2008. The Cougars opened the Olympia in 1927 a year after the Cougars birth. So it’s pretty cool to see a smaller city like Windsor host a team like that.

Also I used to play at the Windsor arena with a bunch of Spitfires, we actually had Probert come out and play with us a few times right after he retired. It’s was pretty cool to play with someone like that. He was a cool dude too. I only got on the ice with him once we all the Spitfires hogged all the ice time with him.

Another fun fact. Don Cherry played for the Windsor Spitfires in 51/52!!!

What type of sports jacket did "Grapes" wear after showering? 

My mom was born in 52. So I don’t think either of us have a clue if grapes was gussied up back then. It’d be cool if he was. I’m sure it’d be black and white though as life was in black and white back then!!!

[mvr]

Bob: If Debrincat scores 500 in another jersey, I would be very happy for him and his new team.

it might happen.

The problem here is that he is being paid to deliver these kinds of numbers. He needs to deliver these kinds of numbers or else he has little value. He is not a defensive player. He has zero physical game. He is paid to produce.

Last year he did not. Not even close.

I understand this player is still young. Nevertheless, his cap hit moving forward represents an outrageous risk considering what he delivered last year. I don't believe Bowman should pay for a player's "potential" to deliver big numbers. If he is not a consistent scoring threat every game, he is not useful.

He has been in the league now for three years, and his numbers dropped badly. I would much rather the money go to a more well rounded type who can help the team in many ways.

[Deleted]

Sept 27, 2020 6:13:24 GMT -6 Modry-Jazyk said:

I don't know what NHL plans to do but here it seems there is no chance return back to normal hockey season this year.Will they start the season without fans on stadiums, it would be huge losses for owners.They cant pay millions to players without any return so long :/

SO, few things here...

1) I also don't think there will be a next season or at least not one that starts anytime soon like normal.

2) I do believe they will start in October so it'll be a full calendar year wait for 2021-22 season

3) While everyone is focused on a vaccine, I think there will be many medications/therapeutics that also come out over the next few months as well as rapid at-home testing that is about 90% accurate.

4) Assuming I am correct about #3 I do believe they can play in stadiums that are maybe 25-40% full by that point next year. If that is the case and the players make some concessions in how they get paid then that could make it all work

[galaxytrash]

Sept 27, 2020 6:23:34 GMT -6 BigT said:

Sept 27, 2020 6:13:24 GMT -6 Modry-Jazyk said:

I don't know what NHL plans to do but here it seems there is no chance return back to normal hockey season this year.Will they start the season without fans on stadiums, it would be huge losses for owners.They cant pay millions to players without any return so long :/

Unless something changes dramatically. There will be no season. I don’t see the Canadian government allowing American teams in. 

there's some chatter out there about a canadian division next season.


about the playoffs? i imagine they'd take the "figure it out when we get there" position. playoff bubbles again most likely.

[Tater]

Maybe they could play all the games outdoors and have a limited number of fans.

[vadarx]

Sept 27, 2020 19:55:35 GMT -6 @merper said:

Sept 27, 2020 6:13:24 GMT -6 Modry-Jazyk said:

I don't know what NHL plans to do but here it seems there is no chance return back to normal hockey season this year.Will they start the season without fans on stadiums, it would be huge losses for owners.They cant pay millions to players without any return so long :/

SO, few things here...

1) I also don't think there will be a next season or at least not one that starts anytime soon like normal.

2) I do believe they will start in October so it'll be a full calendar year wait for 2021-22 season

3) While everyone is focused on a vaccine, I think there will be many medications/therapeutics that also come out over the next few months as well as rapid at-home testing that is about 90% accurate.

4) Assuming I am correct about #3 I do believe they can play in stadiums that are maybe 25-40% full by that point next year. If that is the case and the players make some concessions in how they get paid then that could make it all work

I gotta say, I'm having a hard time believing that will be the case. the NFL is already showing how to do things. with rapid testing, I have a feeling they will figure out a way to play some games. the season won't start until Jan 1 and it won't be a 82 game season like Gary wants, but it'll be better than nothing. if they were willing to play in bubbles to get the playoffs in this year, I gotta believe they will do everything they can to have at least a partial season (and likely partially filled arenas). there is just wayyyyy too much money to lose if they do nothing.

[Deleted]

Sept 27, 2020 23:33:20 GMT -6 vadarx said:

Sept 27, 2020 19:55:35 GMT -6 @merper said:

SO, few things here...

1) I also don't think there will be a next season or at least not one that starts anytime soon like normal.

2) I do believe they will start in October so it'll be a full calendar year wait for 2021-22 season

3) While everyone is focused on a vaccine, I think there will be many medications/therapeutics that also come out over the next few months as well as rapid at-home testing that is about 90% accurate.

4) Assuming I am correct about #3 I do believe they can play in stadiums that are maybe 25-40% full by that point next year. If that is the case and the players make some concessions in how they get paid then that could make it all work

I gotta say, I'm having a hard time believing that will be the case. the NFL is already showing how to do things. with rapid testing, I have a feeling they will figure out a way to play some games. the season won't start until Jan 1 and it won't be a 82 game season like Gary wants, but it'll be better than nothing. if they were willing to play in bubbles to get the playoffs in this year, I gotta believe they will do everything they can to have at least a partial season (and likely partially filled arenas). there is just wayyyyy too much money to lose if they do nothing.

Wait, I am not quite sure what you're disagreeing with me about.

While I said I doubt there would be a season I went on to give reasons why there would be (so I guess maybe I confused you/others with that).

For starters, they need to give these guys some time off... 4 months or so... that puts the season at roughly a February start... if you start it in February, next Cup champ is crowned in October again, when do you break that cycle or is that the new NHL season? They used to start in October, this one is ending more or less in October, why not get back on track by waiting until deep into 2021? If not October maybe September... a Labor Day weekend start? 

My points are that EVERY league is going to want to avoid starting and stopping again, and if they start in middle of winter (when all experts predict things are going to be truly awful) they're going to have to stop down again unless they make a new bubble scenario. 

Sure a lot can change between now and January/February but they can't plan for that to occur. They have to plan like it won't and then adjust to the positive side if it does.

That's why my point is to get back on track for 2021-22 season by waiting for a while.

Of course with this all said they'll likely just follow the NBA model and whatever they put forward.

[vadarx]

ha! sorry merp! trying watch the tube here and form some sort of coherent post.....

I think they start with the winter classic and formulate a schedule that wraps up sometime around the end of April. then the playoffs run a little later than usual (provided everything goes as planned) but are done by the end of June and the 21-22 season starts on time. no week off, no all star game. seeing as they just did this in 2013, it seems like it shouldn't be that hard to figure out. the biggest thing I can see is going to be travel between Canadaand the US.

last I heard Gary talking about it, though, he was saying they want to play a full season.... i dunno how the hell they are gonna manage that.....

[galaxytrash]

Sept 27, 2020 23:56:03 GMT -6 vadarx said:

last I heard Gary talking about it, though, he was saying they want to play a full season.... i dunno how the hell they are gonna manage that.....

doubleheaders.

[Tater]

Sept 27, 2020 23:56:03 GMT -6 vadarx said:

ha! sorry merp! trying watch the tube here and form some sort of coherent post.....

I think they start with the winter classic and formulate a schedule that wraps up sometime around the end of April. then the playoffs run a little later than usual (provided everything goes as planned) but are done by the end of June and the 21-22 season starts on time. no week off, no all star game. seeing as they just did this in 2013, it seems like it shouldn't be that hard to figure out. the biggest thing I can see is going to be travel between Canadaand the US.

last I heard Gary talking about it, though, he was saying they want to play a full season.... i dunno how the hell they are gonna manage that.....

This seems like the best way to do it, as long as travel is possible between countries like you mentioned.

[vadarx]

Sept 28, 2020 0:05:13 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Sept 27, 2020 23:56:03 GMT -6 vadarx said:

last I heard Gary talking about it, though, he was saying they want to play a full season.... i dunno how the hell they are gonna manage that.....

doubleheaders.

I think they will likely try and have teams that are meeting 2-3 times in a season play back to backs or at least 2 in a row at points throughout the season to eliminate some travel. I can also see them doing something similar to 2013 in that all games are all interconference games, so no east vs west until the Final.

[galaxytrash]

Sept 28, 2020 0:51:34 GMT -6 vadarx said:

Sept 28, 2020 0:05:13 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

doubleheaders.

I think they will likely try and have teams that are meeting 2-3 times in a season play back to backs or at least 2 in a row at points throughout the season to eliminate some travel. I can also see them doing something similar to 2013 in that all games are all interconference games, so no east vs west until the Final.

If i may add...i hope they keep up the b2b's. Millions of gallons of fuel saved and also i think a lot of the b2b's would carry a little more intensity than normal single games.

Tbh i'm surprised the nhl hasn't adopted it to some extent if not just for the whole "going green" aspect.

[BigT]

The NFL has a TV deal that’ll carry them through the times. The NHL makes nothing on TV, and they need fans in the seats to make ends meet. Ontario isn’t even allowing anyone from America in, and neither is the rest of Canada. Anything can happen, but like Merp said, she does the cycle break? I think this upcoming year will be tossed out and start fresh next October or even September. Without fans, the league cannot afford to pay players. Just like the CFL, without fans they were forced to cancel!!!

[Deleted]

Sept 27, 2020 12:02:27 GMT -6 BigT said:

Sept 27, 2020 11:09:16 GMT -6 hawks27 said:

What type of sports jacket did "Grapes" wear after showering? 

My mom was born in 52. So I don’t think either of us have a clue if grapes was gussied up back then. It’d be cool if he was. I’m sure it’d be black and white though as life was in black and white back then!!!

I don't recall him wearing any outrageous jackets while coaching the Bruins. Attached is a montage of Cherry from both his coaching and post-coaching days

www.google.com/search?q=don+cherry+boston+bruins+coach&sxsrf=ALeKk01jXSw_TIs-kbIpRHnjwgOlSOMp3Q:1601299559602&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=YCLchIH6kYKt3M%252CjvGJVNmcupZlrM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kT7ugNFYeF1FfZjBaFYhV5vDAxEjQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB7rbb-YvsAhVLlVkKHWT6Dj4Q_h16BAgcEAk

[T-man2010]

Sept 28, 2020 7:19:34 GMT -6 phill9 said:

Sept 27, 2020 12:02:27 GMT -6 BigT said:

My mom was born in 52. So I don’t think either of us have a clue if grapes was gussied up back then. It’d be cool if he was. I’m sure it’d be black and white though as life was in black and white back then!!!

I don't recall him wearing any outrageous jackets while coaching the Bruins. Attached is a montage of Cherry from both his coaching and post-coaching days

www.google.com/search?q=don+cherry+boston+bruins+coach&sxsrf=ALeKk01jXSw_TIs-kbIpRHnjwgOlSOMp3Q:1601299559602&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=YCLchIH6kYKt3M%252CjvGJVNmcupZlrM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kT7ugNFYeF1FfZjBaFYhV5vDAxEjQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB7rbb-YvsAhVLlVkKHWT6Dj4Q_h16BAgcEAk

His jackets were made from his grandmas curtains.

[hsbob]

Sept 27, 2020 12:35:20 GMT -6 mvr said:

Bob: If Debrincat scores 500 in another jersey, I would be very happy for him and his new team.

it might happen.

The problem here is that he is being paid to deliver these kinds of numbers. He needs to deliver these kinds of numbers or else he has little value. He is not a defensive player. He has zero physical game. He is paid to produce.

Last year he did not. Not even close.

I understand this player is still young. Nevertheless, his cap hit moving forward represents an outrageous risk considering what he delivered last year. I don't believe Bowman should pay for a player's "potential" to deliver big numbers. If he is not a consistent scoring threat every game, he is not useful.

He has been in the league now for three years, and his numbers dropped badly. I would much rather the money go to a more well rounded type who can help the team in many ways.

So we "might" be trading away a 500 goal scorer because we don't want to pay him 6.5M for three more years? After and if Kubalik and/or Strome sign,besides a GT,the team won't have to sign another big deal for a few years and that's only IF any of the other young players require it. 
I'd rather move Saad because he doesn't produce either(12 fewer points this year),he is better defensively and he's bigger too but offers zero,physicality or push back.......D_Cat's a half foot shorter and 40lbs lighter and still a tougher player. The hole team has zero physical game,it's a requirement to play here.
I'm willing to move any player at this point if it helps the team but have zero trust in SB getting a proper return for the skilled sniper. 

I hear a player shouldn't be paid for past performance and now you say a 21yro player who potted 69 in his first two seasons shouldn't be paid for his potential either......what criteria would you use in paying players?   
 

[hsbob]

Sept 27, 2020 19:55:35 GMT -6 @merper said:

Sept 27, 2020 6:13:24 GMT -6 Modry-Jazyk said:

I don't know what NHL plans to do but here it seems there is no chance return back to normal hockey season this year.Will they start the season without fans on stadiums, it would be huge losses for owners.They cant pay millions to players without any return so long :/

SO, few things here...

1) I also don't think there will be a next season or at least not one that starts anytime soon like normal.

2) I do believe they will start in October so it'll be a full calendar year wait for 2021-22 season

3) While everyone is focused on a vaccine, I think there will be many medications/therapeutics that also come out over the next few months as well as rapid at-home testing that is about 90% accurate.

4) Assuming I am correct about #3 I do believe they can play in stadiums that are maybe 25-40% full by that point next year. If that is the case and the players make some concessions in how they get paid then that could make it all work

Let's hope #3 is correct because the experts are concerned about the second wave once the weather cools,strengthening the virus and forcing people back inside. A quick history lesson on the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic and it's catastrophic second wave is frightening. If the US had gotten a better handle on infection rates over the summer when a virus weakens,it would have gone a long way towards a return to normalcy but we still see around 30-50K new cases a day and around 400-1000 deaths with infection rates spiking in several states. Full stadiums could easily lead to full refrigerated trailers outside of hospitals,Fauci tried to tell the country that "you can either open the bars in the summer or the schools in the fall" .........drink up America!     

[vadarx]

Sept 28, 2020 5:45:23 GMT -6 BigT said:

The NFL has a TV deal that’ll carry them through the times. The NHL makes nothing on TV, and they need fans in the seats to make ends meet. Ontario isn’t even allowing anyone from America in, and neither is the rest of Canada. Anything can happen, but like Merp said, she does the cycle break? I think this upcoming year will be tossed out and start fresh next October or even September. Without fans, the league cannot afford to pay players. Just like the CFL, without fans they were forced to cancel!!!

if the NHL makes nothing from TV then why did they force a playoff this summer? why does the cap rising usually coincide with a new TV deal?

asses in the seats line the pockets of the owners who cry poor even more, but those sweet TV deals and merchandising opportunities is what keeps them (the owners) invested in the teams.