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Post by acesandeights on Jul 9, 2020 7:19:45 GMT -6
Vadarx, thanks for posting the schedule.
I think I may have mentioned this before. Are the players going to be in game shape when the qualifying round starts? Have the players kept themselves in shape while they were off? If they haven't, I'm having a hard time seeing how the players are going to be in game shape when the qualifying round starts. Formal training camps open on the 13th and then start the qualifying round only about 3 weeks later. They had been off the ice for 3 and a half months as of July 1.
I know some players have been in voluntary skates but that isn't the whole team and I don't see those sessions as hard conditioning sessions. There's a difference between being in shape and being in game shape.
It seems like the stops and starts would be hard to replicate outside scrimmages.
Hopefully they'll be okay and we won't see more than normal amounts of muscle pulls, strains etc. that can happen when muscles aren't in condition for what you're wanting to do.
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Post by vadarx on Jul 9, 2020 14:00:00 GMT -6
I gotta think it'll be some of each. I'm sure some players have kept at it with nothing else to do. I'm sure others haven't, instead spending time with their kids/sig others. I'd imagine most have at least stayed somewhat active, but I think the there will be a lot of "playing their way into shape" going on the first round or two.
just another reason for the big * for this season.
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Post by nighbor on Jul 9, 2020 19:45:02 GMT -6
The team had been trying to trade AA for some time and there were no other takers. Sending Dach back to juniors would have been like sending a triple A player to house league and expect him to improve and not pick up bad habits. Physically Hughes and Kaako were no match for Dach and would have benefitted from another year of growth. If it were not for his injury at the Traverse City tournament Dach would have put up better numbers. Dach is a two way player and physically showed he belonged. If Dach gained 10-15 pounds he would be a beast. Debrincat and Strome were given a pass for their lower goal production because they played on the lower lines but so did Dach.
Toews is getting older and Dach is being groomed to take over Toews defensive responsibilities and who better than Toews to groom him. Toews defensive play was helped along by Hossa playing on his line and it's time for Toews to pass it along to Dach. Toews is one of the top faceoff men in the league and Dach will benefit greatly being in Toews company.
I usually like the arguments you bring, but I just don’t see how any of this is true? First off, Dach had really one successful season in Jrs with 73 points in 62 games. I doubt that would be like a AAA player going to house league. He had a total of 38 goals over 3 seasons in Jrs. He was never the most defensively responsible as his team never really gave him that role. So I don’t see how he’s being groomed to take over Toews defensive responsibilities? You know where he could have learned that? With coach Love back in Saskatchewan. The game was just too fast for an 18 year old version of Kirby Dach. His numbers and amount of hits he took are a testament to his adolescence and he just wasn’t ready. I don’t doubt that any kid would be better off being in Toews company. But he’s still only 19 and I wouldn’t expect tok much from him at this point. This is a kid that went from having a decent year in Jrs and not dominating there, to playing amongst the best men in hockey. That is the reason for his shortcomings this year. Dcat and Strome were set up to fail. JC thought he was a Q clone and tried to balance the offence. What happened is he ruined a year of what could have been an awesome springboard for these two good young players. JC is not a good coach and Stan has no clue how run a pop stand. These two in charge are gonna make things worse and worse. One fine fine day you’ll see the light. I fully understand how some people don’t want to hear bad things about the team they love. It’s a protectionist type love. But I’ve learned that the truth doesn’t care. The truth is that the Hawks just aren’t that good anymore. Excuses only blind you from the truth!!! In his last year of junior Dach was a man among boys so there was nothing to be gained by repeating a year. Dach is a very talented player and has always played against older players. When he was 13-years-old playing in his second season of Bantam AAA– despite being the age of a “first year” bantam, Dach exploded onto the hockey world’s radar as an elite talent. In just 33 games, Kirby scored 100 points to lead the Alberta Major Bantam League in scoring. He had 20 more points than the next closest player, who also happened to be his line mate. This achievement shattered the previous league scoring record of 84 points set by Tyler Benson. I wondered why Dach only played 19 games in his rookie junior season and I discovered that Dach was considered an elite talent by the WHL and was allowed to play 19 games rather than the league maximum 5 games in their rookie season as an underage player. His 6 goals and 4 assists while playing against players 16-20 so his .5 points per game was quite respectable. It is the NHL team and not the junior team that decides what returning players work on. I am not part of the team brain trust so the grooming of Dach is my idea and my idea alone.
You have low expectations of Dach because he was drafted by Stan and therefore a bust. Dach is not intimidated by the NHL. His numbers are low because he is learning the league, playing on the bottom two lines and doing the dirty work. His numbers and amount of hits taken are not a testament to his adolescence or his readiness but rather Dach gets hit because of his willingness to go to the dirty areas. He is not a wall flower or a perimeter player. He goes to the dirty areas. As I am doing this post I had a vision of a less destructive Byfuglien. You always knew where he was or was going to be.
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Post by Tater on Jul 10, 2020 0:20:47 GMT -6
You have low expectations of Dach because he was drafted by Stan and therefore a bust. Dach is not intimidated by the NHL. His numbers are low because he is learning the league, playing on the bottom two lines and doing the dirty work. His numbers and amount of hits taken are not a testament to his adolescence or his readiness but rather Dach gets hit because of his willingness to go to the dirty areas. He is not a wall flower or a perimeter player. He goes to the dirty areas. As I am doing this post I had a vision of a less destructive Byfuglien. You always knew where he was or was going to be.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 10, 2020 7:31:19 GMT -6
I usually like the arguments you bring, but I just don’t see how any of this is true? First off, Dach had really one successful season in Jrs with 73 points in 62 games. I doubt that would be like a AAA player going to house league. He had a total of 38 goals over 3 seasons in Jrs. He was never the most defensively responsible as his team never really gave him that role. So I don’t see how he’s being groomed to take over Toews defensive responsibilities? You know where he could have learned that? With coach Love back in Saskatchewan. The game was just too fast for an 18 year old version of Kirby Dach. His numbers and amount of hits he took are a testament to his adolescence and he just wasn’t ready. I don’t doubt that any kid would be better off being in Toews company. But he’s still only 19 and I wouldn’t expect tok much from him at this point. This is a kid that went from having a decent year in Jrs and not dominating there, to playing amongst the best men in hockey. That is the reason for his shortcomings this year. Dcat and Strome were set up to fail. JC thought he was a Q clone and tried to balance the offence. What happened is he ruined a year of what could have been an awesome springboard for these two good young players. JC is not a good coach and Stan has no clue how run a pop stand. These two in charge are gonna make things worse and worse. One fine fine day you’ll see the light. I fully understand how some people don’t want to hear bad things about the team they love. It’s a protectionist type love. But I’ve learned that the truth doesn’t care. The truth is that the Hawks just aren’t that good anymore. Excuses only blind you from the truth!!! In his last year of junior Dach was a man among boys so there was nothing to be gained by repeating a year. Dach is a very talented player and has always played against older players. When he was 13-years-old playing in his second season of Bantam AAA– despite being the age of a “first year” bantam, Dach exploded onto the hockey world’s radar as an elite talent. In just 33 games, Kirby scored 100 points to lead the Alberta Major Bantam League in scoring. He had 20 more points than the next closest player, who also happened to be his line mate. This achievement shattered the previous league scoring record of 84 points set by Tyler Benson. I wondered why Dach only played 19 games in his rookie junior season and I discovered that Dach was considered an elite talent by the WHL and was allowed to play 19 games rather than the league maximum 5 games in their rookie season as an underage player. His 6 goals and 4 assists while playing against players 16-20 so his .5 points per game was quite respectable. It is the NHL team and not the junior team that decides what returning players work on. I am not part of the team brain trust so the grooming of Dach is my idea and my idea alone.
You have low expectations of Dach because he was drafted by Stan and therefore a bust. Dach is not intimidated by the NHL. His numbers are low because he is learning the league, playing on the bottom two lines and doing the dirty work. His numbers and amount of hits taken are not a testament to his adolescence or his readiness but rather Dach gets hit because of his willingness to go to the dirty areas. He is not a wall flower or a perimeter player. He goes to the dirty areas. As I am doing this post I had a vision of a less destructive Byfuglien. You always knew where he was or was going to be.
My opinion,your opinion and T's opinion aside...….this is one hell of a post! I've pointed out Dach's numbers mostly in comparison to other rookies and to JT's rookie play who he's being compared to in the press not to diminish what I also see as a potentially very good player. I'm a SB critic myself as you know and I'm sure you'll agree some good fortune awarded us a #3 last year but I'll also agree that SB and his staff went the right way with the pick. Your summation of his early career was thorough.....thank you. I agree in large part with your assessment of his overall game. I'd like to see 15-20gls,an improvement into the 40-45% mark at the dot and just a bit of snarl from the big kid next year and he goes from there. He does go to the tough areas and yes,he's taken some hits but that happens when a guy doesn't bale and Dach doesn't bale. I liked his speed and in a way,I liked his stubbornness in attempting to stick handle through a few defenders.....I think he'll start to be successful at that soon. My personal preference would be to see him with better linemates but I understand a rook working his way up too. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 10, 2020 7:37:11 GMT -6
You have low expectations of Dach because he was drafted by Stan and therefore a bust. Dach is not intimidated by the NHL. His numbers are low because he is learning the league, playing on the bottom two lines and doing the dirty work. His numbers and amount of hits taken are not a testament to his adolescence or his readiness but rather Dach gets hit because of his willingness to go to the dirty areas. He is not a wall flower or a perimeter player. He goes to the dirty areas. As I am doing this post I had a vision of a less destructive Byfuglien. You always knew where he was or was going to be.
How long can he keep that up on a team with no pack mentality, that doesn't have each others backs? I just wish the powers that be see a big need for improvement in this area but I wouldn't even bet YOUR money on that!LOL! The two forwards who are willing ain't built for it and spent most of the season playing gin with each other in the quiet room because of it and Gilbert just isn't good enough to be a #6 I guess. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 10, 2020 8:02:31 GMT -6
I usually like the arguments you bring, but I just don’t see how any of this is true? First off, Dach had really one successful season in Jrs with 73 points in 62 games. I doubt that would be like a AAA player going to house league. He had a total of 38 goals over 3 seasons in Jrs. He was never the most defensively responsible as his team never really gave him that role. So I don’t see how he’s being groomed to take over Toews defensive responsibilities? You know where he could have learned that? With coach Love back in Saskatchewan. The game was just too fast for an 18 year old version of Kirby Dach. His numbers and amount of hits he took are a testament to his adolescence and he just wasn’t ready. I don’t doubt that any kid would be better off being in Toews company. But he’s still only 19 and I wouldn’t expect tok much from him at this point. This is a kid that went from having a decent year in Jrs and not dominating there, to playing amongst the best men in hockey. That is the reason for his shortcomings this year. Dcat and Strome were set up to fail. JC thought he was a Q clone and tried to balance the offence. What happened is he ruined a year of what could have been an awesome springboard for these two good young players. JC is not a good coach and Stan has no clue how run a pop stand. These two in charge are gonna make things worse and worse. One fine fine day you’ll see the light. I fully understand how some people don’t want to hear bad things about the team they love. It’s a protectionist type love. But I’ve learned that the truth doesn’t care. The truth is that the Hawks just aren’t that good anymore. Excuses only blind you from the truth!!! In his last year of junior Dach was a man among boys so there was nothing to be gained by repeating a year. Dach is a very talented player and has always played against older players. When he was 13-years-old playing in his second season of Bantam AAA– despite being the age of a “first year” bantam, Dach exploded onto the hockey world’s radar as an elite talent. In just 33 games, Kirby scored 100 points to lead the Alberta Major Bantam League in scoring. He had 20 more points than the next closest player, who also happened to be his line mate. This achievement shattered the previous league scoring record of 84 points set by Tyler Benson. I wondered why Dach only played 19 games in his rookie junior season and I discovered that Dach was considered an elite talent by the WHL and was allowed to play 19 games rather than the league maximum 5 games in their rookie season as an underage player. His 6 goals and 4 assists while playing against players 16-20 so his .5 points per game was quite respectable. It is the NHL team and not the junior team that decides what returning players work on. I am not part of the team brain trust so the grooming of Dach is my idea and my idea alone.
You have low expectations of Dach because he was drafted by Stan and therefore a bust. Dach is not intimidated by the NHL. His numbers are low because he is learning the league, playing on the bottom two lines and doing the dirty work. His numbers and amount of hits taken are not a testament to his adolescence or his readiness but rather Dach gets hit because of his willingness to go to the dirty areas. He is not a wall flower or a perimeter player. He goes to the dirty areas. As I am doing this post I had a vision of a less destructive Byfuglien. You always knew where he was or was going to be.
I’m sorry. This is half the story. And you used the wrong half to prove a point. Who cares what the hell he did in AAA 6 years ago? That has absolutely nothing to do with the player he is now. He’s a man now and not a kid. He gets hit because he does things that Jr players do, hence he was still a Jr player. Let’s say he was drafted in the 3rd round. Does he even sniff the NHL this year or next? He got 23 points. That’s not good for any rookie unless they’re a dman. No one is saying he’s a bust. I’m personally saying that he would have been better off playing an actual full year of Jrs and going to the WJC instead of playing above his head. He was 18 playing against the worlds best. He just wasn’t ready for this. Plus this team has been an utter wreck on the side of the road. I’ve never ever seen a team not stick up for a rookie when they get liberties taken on them. I can say the same exact thing about you. You only care for Dach because Stan picked him. I think that’s a redundant conversation and it should never ever be brought up again. I personally feel it’s better the kid gets 100+ in Jrs and wins a WJC gold (like Toews) instead of rushing kids to have their worst season in their life. If you feel he wasn’t rushed, cool. The numbers this year tell a different story. If he falters next year. The pressure will be massive on this kid that’s been sold as “the next one”. It’d be a lot easier for him coming in as “the best player in Jrs” instead of the kid who struggled last year!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 10, 2020 9:05:25 GMT -6
I usually like the arguments you bring, but I just don’t see how any of this is true? First off, Dach had really one successful season in Jrs with 73 points in 62 games. I doubt that would be like a AAA player going to house league. He had a total of 38 goals over 3 seasons in Jrs. He was never the most defensively responsible as his team never really gave him that role. So I don’t see how he’s being groomed to take over Toews defensive responsibilities? You know where he could have learned that? With coach Love back in Saskatchewan. The game was just too fast for an 18 year old version of Kirby Dach. His numbers and amount of hits he took are a testament to his adolescence and he just wasn’t ready. I don’t doubt that any kid would be better off being in Toews company. But he’s still only 19 and I wouldn’t expect tok much from him at this point. This is a kid that went from having a decent year in Jrs and not dominating there, to playing amongst the best men in hockey. That is the reason for his shortcomings this year. Dcat and Strome were set up to fail. JC thought he was a Q clone and tried to balance the offence. What happened is he ruined a year of what could have been an awesome springboard for these two good young players. JC is not a good coach and Stan has no clue how run a pop stand. These two in charge are gonna make things worse and worse. One fine fine day you’ll see the light. I fully understand how some people don’t want to hear bad things about the team they love. It’s a protectionist type love. But I’ve learned that the truth doesn’t care. The truth is that the Hawks just aren’t that good anymore. Excuses only blind you from the truth!!! In his last year of junior Dach was a man among boys so there was nothing to be gained by repeating a year. Dach is a very talented player and has always played against older players. When he was 13-years-old playing in his second season of Bantam AAA– despite being the age of a “first year” bantam, Dach exploded onto the hockey world’s radar as an elite talent. In just 33 games, Kirby scored 100 points to lead the Alberta Major Bantam League in scoring. He had 20 more points than the next closest player, who also happened to be his line mate. This achievement shattered the previous league scoring record of 84 points set by Tyler Benson. I wondered why Dach only played 19 games in his rookie junior season and I discovered that Dach was considered an elite talent by the WHL and was allowed to play 19 games rather than the league maximum 5 games in their rookie season as an underage player. His 6 goals and 4 assists while playing against players 16-20 so his .5 points per game was quite respectable. It is the NHL team and not the junior team that decides what returning players work on. I am not part of the team brain trust so the grooming of Dach is my idea and my idea alone.
You have low expectations of Dach because he was drafted by Stan and therefore a bust. Dach is not intimidated by the NHL. His numbers are low because he is learning the league, playing on the bottom two lines and doing the dirty work. His numbers and amount of hits taken are not a testament to his adolescence or his readiness but rather Dach gets hit because of his willingness to go to the dirty areas. He is not a wall flower or a perimeter player. He goes to the dirty areas. As I am doing this post I had a vision of a less destructive Byfuglien. You always knew where he was or was going to be.
My opinion here, but if you're developing a player you have to give them a bonafied chance to play in the role that you're hoping they develop into. You can't just slap them into the lowest responsibility/lowest icetime role and hope they rise to the top as bumslayers. Even if Dach is/was NHL-ready (and frankly, I didn't think he did too bad), the development hope for him should be a top line center--or bare minimum top 6 FWD. Instead, he was utilized mostly in the bottom-6. I think that was counter-productive and wasn't much on Dach, himself, but rather the win-now mentality the 'hawks had. Instead of accepting losses would happen because of rookie mistakes and allowing them to grow into their roles (like Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook did), they tried to force the wins by keeping the main responsibility with the old core in all situations, rather than letting it fall on the shoulders of just like Dach, Boqvist, etc.--especially against bottom-feeders. I don't think that's on Dach--that's on JC/Stan. If the 'hawks were going to try to load up and win, they might as well have gotten someone like Galchenyuk/Marleau (both had similar numbers) to take bottom-6 duties and let Dach continue to get minutes, icetime, and responsibilities. Even at a lower level he would have played more in the role we want him to eventually play in. OR, the 'hawks could have punted this year--and made sure guys like Dach, Boqvist, Beaudin, etc. were getting top-6 minutes even though they might make costly mistakes and just take the losses as learning experience. Either way--bad roster management IMHO. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 10, 2020 9:46:19 GMT -6
I actually think the 1st overall pick is given to Montreal and not Arizona. The Habs are money for the NHL, just think if the Quebec born player is drafted by the Habs in Montreal where the draft is supposed to be held, and or the New York Rangers. That’s also a possibility. Just like when Mr Blackberry tried to buy every and any hockey team. Every team he attempted to purchase got the 1st overall and the team stayed put. Seemed very convenient to me. The Hawks got shut out during those years and they were worse than them. Then we lost again in 2006, and finally got the pick 4 years later in 2007. Seemed very fishy to me how the worst team with the best odds failed to win the 1st overall that many years in a row. And the Oilers had financial problems back then before Darryl Katz bought them and the somehow received 3 of the damn things ....... conveniently. So if the Habs get it to help sell the game better to many Canadians, I could see that too. But Arizona has been needing this for some time!!! Actually the Oilers had 4, Hall, Nuge, Yak, and McDavid, complete bs they got that many in such a short time, especially a generational player like McDavid but it helped they had Gretzky and Mess behind Katz and they needed someone to help fill their new arena 🙄 Seems very fishy how teams struggling financially get the 1st overall pics when the Hawks struggled for many years and went over 4 decades without a Cup and only got 1 in their history. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 10, 2020 12:09:25 GMT -6
In his last year of junior Dach was a man among boys so there was nothing to be gained by repeating a year. Dach is a very talented player and has always played against older players. When he was 13-years-old playing in his second season of Bantam AAA– despite being the age of a “first year” bantam, Dach exploded onto the hockey world’s radar as an elite talent. In just 33 games, Kirby scored 100 points to lead the Alberta Major Bantam League in scoring. He had 20 more points than the next closest player, who also happened to be his line mate. This achievement shattered the previous league scoring record of 84 points set by Tyler Benson. I wondered why Dach only played 19 games in his rookie junior season and I discovered that Dach was considered an elite talent by the WHL and was allowed to play 19 games rather than the league maximum 5 games in their rookie season as an underage player. His 6 goals and 4 assists while playing against players 16-20 so his .5 points per game was quite respectable. It is the NHL team and not the junior team that decides what returning players work on. I am not part of the team brain trust so the grooming of Dach is my idea and my idea alone.
You have low expectations of Dach because he was drafted by Stan and therefore a bust. Dach is not intimidated by the NHL. His numbers are low because he is learning the league, playing on the bottom two lines and doing the dirty work. His numbers and amount of hits taken are not a testament to his adolescence or his readiness but rather Dach gets hit because of his willingness to go to the dirty areas. He is not a wall flower or a perimeter player. He goes to the dirty areas. As I am doing this post I had a vision of a less destructive Byfuglien. You always knew where he was or was going to be.
My opinion here, but if you're developing a player you have to give them a bonafied chance to play in the role that you're hoping they develop into. You can't just slap them into the lowest responsibility/lowest icetime role and hope they rise to the top as bumslayers. Even if Dach is/was NHL-ready (and frankly, I didn't think he did too bad), the development hope for him should be a top line center--or bare minimum top 6 FWD. Instead, he was utilized mostly in the bottom-6. I think that was counter-productive and wasn't much on Dach, himself, but rather the win-now mentality the 'hawks had. Instead of accepting losses would happen because of rookie mistakes and allowing them to grow into their roles (like Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook did), they tried to force the wins by keeping the main responsibility with the old core in all situations, rather than letting it fall on the shoulders of just like Dach, Boqvist, etc.--especially against bottom-feeders. I don't think that's on Dach--that's on JC/Stan. If the 'hawks were going to try to load up and win, they might as well have gotten someone like Galchenyuk/Marleau (both had similar numbers) to take bottom-6 duties and let Dach continue to get minutes, icetime, and responsibilities. Even at a lower level he would have played more in the role we want him to eventually play in. OR, the 'hawks could have punted this year--and made sure guys like Dach, Boqvist, Beaudin, etc. were getting top-6 minutes even though they might make costly mistakes and just take the losses as learning experience. Either way--bad roster management IMHO. Spot on, excellent post. And not to mention the loss of a year on the ELC. This is why the Hawks are in horrible trouble with the salary cap. It’s inconceivable that the GM could allow this to happen. Like you said, if it was to let the kids play and learn on their own accord, then do it. But to waste a cheap year on really no quality in those slots is awful management. We could a Brassard for 1.1. And a few others to fill the roles until the kids come. The wasted money on all those trades and assets is even worse. Now we’re stuck with others garbage!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jul 10, 2020 12:14:43 GMT -6
That’s also a possibility. Just like when Mr Blackberry tried to buy every and any hockey team. Every team he attempted to purchase got the 1st overall and the team stayed put. Seemed very convenient to me. The Hawks got shut out during those years and they were worse than them. Then we lost again in 2006, and finally got the pick 4 years later in 2007. Seemed very fishy to me how the worst team with the best odds failed to win the 1st overall that many years in a row. And the Oilers had financial problems back then before Darryl Katz bought them and the somehow received 3 of the damn things ....... conveniently. So if the Habs get it to help sell the game better to many Canadians, I could see that too. But Arizona has been needing this for some time!!! Actually the Oilers had 4, Hall, Nuge, Yak, and McDavid, complete bs they got that many in such a short time, especially a generational player like McDavid but it helped they had Gretzky and Mess behind Katz and they needed someone to help fill their new arena 🙄 Seems very fishy how teams struggling financially get the 1st overall pics when the Hawks struggled for many years and went over 4 decades without a Cup and only got 1 in their history. Thanks for making it worse! Hahahahaha. I think it’s a shame that a team who really doesn’t deserve the 1st overall is going to get it. Honestly, I think it would be sad if the Hawks won the lotto last year and it would be even worse if it happened this year. Last year was luck, this year would be a scam. Even if the Habs got it!!! |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Jul 10, 2020 17:57:41 GMT -6
Actually the Oilers had 4, Hall, Nuge, Yak, and McDavid, complete bs they got that many in such a short time, especially a generational player like McDavid but it helped they had Gretzky and Mess behind Katz and they needed someone to help fill their new arena 🙄 Seems very fishy how teams struggling financially get the 1st overall pics when the Hawks struggled for many years and went over 4 decades without a Cup and only got 1 in their history. Thanks for making it worse! Hahahahaha. I think it’s a shame that a team who really doesn’t deserve the 1st overall is going to get it. Honestly, I think it would be sad if the Hawks won the lotto last year and it would be even worse if it happened this year. Last year was luck, this year would be a scam. Even if the Habs got it!!! Let’s not talk about the behind closed doors lotto win by the Penguins to score Crosby, another team at the time battling financial insecurity, then drafting Malkin on top of that. This year will be no different, Bettman knows which team he wants that lotto pick to appear on, it’s all about money and marketing. |
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Post by hawks27 on Jul 10, 2020 20:58:51 GMT -6
Just saw the schedule for the qualifying round. The Blackhawks are as follows:
Aug. 1st Hawks at Oilers
Aug. 3rd Hawks at Oilers
Aug. 5th Oilers at Hawks
Aug. 7th Oilers at Hawks (if needed)
Aug. 8th Hawks at Oilers (if needed)
No times were listed yet. I hope that Center Ice carries games that may not be covered nationally, to make up for the lost games that we paid for.
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Post by vadarx on Jul 10, 2020 22:01:12 GMT -6
Just saw the schedule for the qualifying round. The Blackhawks are as follows: Aug. 1st Hawks at Oilers Aug. 3rd Hawks at Oilers Aug. 5th Oilers at Hawks Aug. 7th Oilers at Hawks (if needed) Aug. 8th Hawks at Oilers (if needed) No times were listed yet. I hope that Center Ice carries games that may not be covered nationally, to make up for the lost games that we paid for. they damn well better. if not, someone is gonna have to deal with my cantankerous ass on the phone and/or online..... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 22:05:54 GMT -6
Just saw the schedule for the qualifying round. The Blackhawks are as follows: Aug. 1st Hawks at Oilers Aug. 3rd Hawks at Oilers Aug. 5th Oilers at Hawks Aug. 7th Oilers at Hawks (if needed) Aug. 8th Hawks at Oilers (if needed) No times were listed yet. I hope that Center Ice carries games that may not be covered nationally, to make up for the lost games that we paid for. they damn well better. if not, someone is gonna have to deal with my cantankerous ass on the phone and/or online..... Think they have ointments to help with that  |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 10, 2020 22:19:34 GMT -6
they damn well better. if not, someone is gonna have to deal with my cantankerous ass on the phone and/or online..... Think they have ointments to help with that I already ate some candy and had some of the oil to help with it today and the thought of them not showing AT LEAST the qualifiers and first round to those of us who gave them their money still pisses me off..... 😏 |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 10, 2020 22:39:56 GMT -6
Think they have ointments to help with that I already ate some candy and had some of the oil to help with it today and the thought of them not showing AT LEAST the qualifiers and first round to those of us who gave them their money still pisses me off..... 😏 you can always go slumming with me watching those dodgy game links i post. i hope if the games are played that the hawks' games are showed at a normal evening time, or at least any time other than the early or mid afternoon. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 10, 2020 22:47:33 GMT -6
I already ate some candy and had some of the oil to help with it today and the thought of them not showing AT LEAST the qualifiers and first round to those of us who gave them their money still pisses me off..... 😏 you can always go slumming with me watching those dodgy game links i post. i hope if the games are played that the hawks' games are showed at a normal evening time, or at least any time other than the early or mid afternoon. O, I'll be joining ya for sure if it ain't on nbcsn. that's probably how we watch 50% of what we watch now anyway, so no biggie. I always like free. but dammit, I think they owe us a couple rounds. I paid for 82 games. I've seen a bunch of people asking about it online, though, so hopefully the league decides not to be dicks about it.... |
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Post by nighbor on Jul 10, 2020 23:09:25 GMT -6
In his last year of junior Dach was a man among boys so there was nothing to be gained by repeating a year. Dach is a very talented player and has always played against older players. When he was 13-years-old playing in his second season of Bantam AAA– despite being the age of a “first year” bantam, Dach exploded onto the hockey world’s radar as an elite talent. In just 33 games, Kirby scored 100 points to lead the Alberta Major Bantam League in scoring. He had 20 more points than the next closest player, who also happened to be his line mate. This achievement shattered the previous league scoring record of 84 points set by Tyler Benson. I wondered why Dach only played 19 games in his rookie junior season and I discovered that Dach was considered an elite talent by the WHL and was allowed to play 19 games rather than the league maximum 5 games in their rookie season as an underage player. His 6 goals and 4 assists while playing against players 16-20 so his .5 points per game was quite respectable. It is the NHL team and not the junior team that decides what returning players work on. I am not part of the team brain trust so the grooming of Dach is my idea and my idea alone.
You have low expectations of Dach because he was drafted by Stan and therefore a bust. Dach is not intimidated by the NHL. His numbers are low because he is learning the league, playing on the bottom two lines and doing the dirty work. His numbers and amount of hits taken are not a testament to his adolescence or his readiness but rather Dach gets hit because of his willingness to go to the dirty areas. He is not a wall flower or a perimeter player. He goes to the dirty areas. As I am doing this post I had a vision of a less destructive Byfuglien. You always knew where he was or was going to be.
I’m sorry. This is half the story. And you used the wrong half to prove a point. Who cares what the hell he did in AAA 6 years ago? That has absolutely nothing to do with the player he is now. He’s a man now and not a kid. He gets hit because he does things that Jr players do, hence he was still a Jr player. Let’s say he was drafted in the 3rd round. Does he even sniff the NHL this year or next? He got 23 points. That’s not good for any rookie unless they’re a dman. No one is saying he’s a bust. I’m personally saying that he would have been better off playing an actual full year of Jrs and going to the WJC instead of playing above his head. He was 18 playing against the worlds best. He just wasn’t ready for this. Plus this team has been an utter wreck on the side of the road. I’ve never ever seen a team not stick up for a rookie when they get liberties taken on them. I can say the same exact thing about you. You only care for Dach because Stan picked him. I think that’s redundant and it should never ever be brought up again. I personally feel it’s better the kid gets 100+ in Jrs and wins a WJC gold (like Toews) instead of rushing kids to have their worst season in their life. If you feel he wasn’t rushed, cool. The numbers this year tell a different story. If he falters next year. The pressure will be massive on this kid that’s been sold as “the next one”. It’d be a lot easier for him coming in as “the best player in Jrs” instead of the kid who struggled last year!!! There is never a true story without all the elements. It is like saying that it did not matter that Dach learned how to skate or ever picked up a hockey stick. Yes he is a man and like all men you included are the sum of all our parts. We are shaped by circumstances, events and the people that crossed our paths.
If Dach was drafted in the 3rd round you would have gotten your wish. Stan and the rest of the GM's would have been fired. At 6'4" and 197 lbs Dach not only would have gotten a sniff he would have been given the opportunity to make the team. The book on Dach is that he is a two way center so it is more than just about 23 points in a shortened season.
While people were wetting themselves over Bowen Byram after one good season I recognized the need for a center. Not only did we need a big center we needed one that had a chance to play right away and that was Dach. As a side note Byram went back to juniors and did not tear it up. This shows that returning an extra year guarantees nothing. None of our GM's were perfect and without each other and everyone else in the organization we would not have won the 3 cups.
It was Toews who decided to take another year so he could continue his schooling otherwise the team was ready to sign Toews his draft year. As you said Dach was a man and he will be ready and able to handle whatever happens. The preliminary round will be a great experience for Dach and the other young men. They have nothing to lose. I am living in the now and choose to believe that the younger players will be that much better for
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 11, 2020 7:41:14 GMT -6
Thanks for making it worse! Hahahahaha. I think it’s a shame that a team who really doesn’t deserve the 1st overall is going to get it. Honestly, I think it would be sad if the Hawks won the lotto last year and it would be even worse if it happened this year. Last year was luck, this year would be a scam. Even if the Habs got it!!! Let’s not talk about the behind closed doors lotto win by the Penguins to score Crosby, another team at the time battling financial insecurity, then drafting Malkin on top of that. This year will be no different, Bettman knows which team he wants that lotto pick to appear on, it’s all about money and marketing. And don't forget Fleury, plus they could've had Toews but took Staal. Oilers and Pens were going bankrupt and got a lot of help in a short period 🤔 |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 11, 2020 8:14:08 GMT -6
Just saw the schedule for the qualifying round. The Blackhawks are as follows: Aug. 1st Hawks at Oilers Aug. 3rd Hawks at Oilers Aug. 5th Oilers at Hawks Aug. 7th Oilers at Hawks (if needed) Aug. 8th Hawks at Oilers (if needed) No times were listed yet. I hope that Center Ice carries games that may not be covered nationally, to make up for the lost games that we paid for. they damn well better. if not, someone is gonna have to deal with my cantankerous ass on the phone and/or online..... Good luck with that my friend! I was on the phone for a TORTUROUS amount of time with Comcast the other day about services goin in and out,the only way to get past the automated system with the virus situation was an estimated hour and half wait.....they left me a broken,sobbing heap of a man!LOL! |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 11, 2020 8:17:02 GMT -6
Think they have ointments to help with that I already ate some candy and had some of the oil to help with it today and the thought of them not showing AT LEAST the qualifiers and first round to those of us who gave them their money still pisses me off..... 😏 I call that a 'now and later'! |
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Post by BigT on Jul 11, 2020 8:45:03 GMT -6
I’m sorry. This is half the story. And you used the wrong half to prove a point. Who cares what the hell he did in AAA 6 years ago? That has absolutely nothing to do with the player he is now. He’s a man now and not a kid. He gets hit because he does things that Jr players do, hence he was still a Jr player. Let’s say he was drafted in the 3rd round. Does he even sniff the NHL this year or next? He got 23 points. That’s not good for any rookie unless they’re a dman. No one is saying he’s a bust. I’m personally saying that he would have been better off playing an actual full year of Jrs and going to the WJC instead of playing above his head. He was 18 playing against the worlds best. He just wasn’t ready for this. Plus this team has been an utter wreck on the side of the road. I’ve never ever seen a team not stick up for a rookie when they get liberties taken on them. I can say the same exact thing about you. You only care for Dach because Stan picked him. I think that’s redundant and it should never ever be brought up again. I personally feel it’s better the kid gets 100+ in Jrs and wins a WJC gold (like Toews) instead of rushing kids to have their worst season in their life. If you feel he wasn’t rushed, cool. The numbers this year tell a different story. If he falters next year. The pressure will be massive on this kid that’s been sold as “the next one”. It’d be a lot easier for him coming in as “the best player in Jrs” instead of the kid who struggled last year!!! There is never a true story without all the elements. It is like saying that it did not matter that Dach learned how to skate or ever picked up a hockey stick. Yes he is a man and like all men you included are the sum of all our parts. We are shaped by circumstances, events and the people that crossed our paths.
If Dach was drafted in the 3rd round you would have gotten your wish. Stan and the rest of the GM's would have been fired. At 6'4" and 197 lbs Dach not only would have gotten a sniff he would have been given the opportunity to make the team. The book on Dach is that he is a two way center so it is more than just about 23 points in a shortened season.
While people were wetting themselves over Bowen Byram after one good season I recognized the need for a center. Not only did we need a big center we needed one that had a chance to play right away and that was Dach. As a side note Byram went back to juniors and did not tear it up. This shows that returning an extra year guarantees nothing. None of our GM's were perfect and without each other and everyone else in the organization we would not have won the 3 cups.
It was Toews who decided to take another year so he could continue his schooling otherwise the team was ready to sign Toews his draft year. As you said Dach was a man and he will be ready and able to handle whatever happens. The preliminary round will be a great experience for Dach and the other young men. They have nothing to lose. I am living in the now and choose to believe that the younger players will be that much better for
This is the last I’m gonna post on this as I feel I’m going in a circle and I really don’t get your thought patterns. I’m not putting words in your mouth. But you’re saying that Bowen Byram should have been in the NHL? His Jr team wasn’t very good last year and they were even worse this season. He was 3rd on his team and averaged over a point per game. He helped lead team Canada to a gold medal. He also said in many interviews that he worked on his defensive side this year a lot. That’s where you’re supposed to learn to play defense. As for the rest, I’m not even gonna comment!!! |
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Post by nighbor on Jul 11, 2020 12:32:44 GMT -6
There is never a true story without all the elements. It is like saying that it did not matter that Dach learned how to skate or ever picked up a hockey stick. Yes he is a man and like all men you included are the sum of all our parts. We are shaped by circumstances, events and the people that crossed our paths.
If Dach was drafted in the 3rd round you would have gotten your wish. Stan and the rest of the GM's would have been fired. At 6'4" and 197 lbs Dach not only would have gotten a sniff he would have been given the opportunity to make the team. The book on Dach is that he is a two way center so it is more than just about 23 points in a shortened season.
While people were wetting themselves over Bowen Byram after one good season I recognized the need for a center. Not only did we need a big center we needed one that had a chance to play right away and that was Dach. As a side note Byram went back to juniors and did not tear it up. This shows that returning an extra year guarantees nothing. None of our GM's were perfect and without each other and everyone else in the organization we would not have won the 3 cups.
It was Toews who decided to take another year so he could continue his schooling otherwise the team was ready to sign Toews his draft year. As you said Dach was a man and he will be ready and able to handle whatever happens. The preliminary round will be a great experience for Dach and the other young men. They have nothing to lose. I am living in the now and choose to believe that the younger players will be that much better for
This is the last I’m gonna post on this as I feel I’m going in a circle and I really don’t get your thought patterns. I’m not putting words in your mouth. But you’re saying that Bowen Byram should have been in the NHL? His Jr team wasn’t very good last year and they were even worse this season. He was 3rd on his team and averaged over a point per game. He helped lead team Canada to a gold medal. He also said in many interviews that he worked on his defensive side this year a lot. That’s where you’re supposed to learn to play defense. As for the rest, I’m not even gonna comment!!! It would be a boring world if there was only one thought pattern. It is not up to me to decide where anyone including Byram plays. My point about Byram was just that another year in junior is not always the answer. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 11, 2020 13:05:02 GMT -6
they damn well better. if not, someone is gonna have to deal with my cantankerous ass on the phone and/or online..... Good luck with that my friend! I was on the phone for a TORTUROUS amount of time with Comcast the other day about services goin in and out,the only way to get past the automated system with the virus situation was an estimated hour and half wait.....they left me a broken,sobbing heap of a man!LOL! yeah, unfortunately I have a feeling I'll have a hard time getting a hold of someone should I need to. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 11, 2020 13:05:31 GMT -6
I already ate some candy and had some of the oil to help with it today and the thought of them not showing AT LEAST the qualifiers and first round to those of us who gave them their money still pisses me off..... 😏 I call that a 'now and later'! 😅 that's exactly what I was going for! |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 11, 2020 16:18:23 GMT -6
This is the last I’m gonna post on this as I feel I’m going in a circle and I really don’t get your thought patterns. I’m not putting words in your mouth. But you’re saying that Bowen Byram should have been in the NHL? His Jr team wasn’t very good last year and they were even worse this season. He was 3rd on his team and averaged over a point per game. He helped lead team Canada to a gold medal. He also said in many interviews that he worked on his defensive side this year a lot. That’s where you’re supposed to learn to play defense. As for the rest, I’m not even gonna comment!!! It would be a boring world if there was only one thought pattern. It is not up to me to decide where anyone including Byram plays. My point about Byram was just that another year in junior is not always the answer. To be honest,none of us know if the year in Jr's for Byram OR the year in the bigs for Dach is the propper path for another year or even two but my suspicions are both young players could have good careers. The young D-man seems to be working on defense like Boqvist did for a year and Dach's gotta get better at FO's and do it fairly soon if he plans on being a center. Maybe Toews can teach him the cheater's mentality,all the good one have it and all the good ones get tossed because of it but you take it @56% |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 17:36:27 GMT -6
It would be a boring world if there was only one thought pattern. It is not up to me to decide where anyone including Byram plays. My point about Byram was just that another year in junior is not always the answer. To be honest,none of us know if the year in Jr's for Byram OR the year in the bigs for Dach is the propper path for another year or even two but my suspicions are both young players could have good careers. The young D-man seems to be working on defense like Boqvist did for a year and Dach's gotta get better at FO's and do it fairly soon if he plans on being a center. Maybe Toews can teach him the cheater's mentality,all the good one have it and all the good ones get tossed because of it but you take it @56% Here's my thought on the comparison between the 2. At some point during the season, even if it were late in the season after juniors were over, Byram could be brought up to play in the NHL, including playoff games where the intensity rises tenfold. While once he played in his 10th game, that option was no longer there for Dach. To rush an 18 year old kid, wasting a year of his ELC, on a team that was nowhere near a Stanley Cup contender is plain foolish.
So Byram gets a full season of juniors, still comes up to the NHL and gets playoff experience. While Dach gets relegated to the bottom 6 on a losing team, who only makes the playoffs due to the pandemic. I take scenario 1 any day.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 11, 2020 18:16:05 GMT -6
I agree that Dach should've started the season in the WHL to play with his younger brother, who was starting his first season, plus play for Canada. But he never and took his lumps playing very limited minutes mostly playing with 4th liners and learning what he can't do that he did in Juniors. He's a smart young man who loves the game and knows it well, listen to his interview from last year before the draft, when being questioned by Kelley he was asked about his offensive outburst from his previous season, he said he knew he had to get bigger, stronger, and play a complete game and his numbers showed that, +25 difference in his draft year from the previous season and over a point a game. He puts more pressure on himself than anyone else and wants to be an elite player and I think he can. It doesn't seem fair to say he had a bad season based on stats, watch the YouTube video that I took a screenshot of (can't post vids from my phone) maybe GT can upload it 😉 Dach kept working and learning from every game and every shift until the coaches had to give him more ice time, and he didn't look out of place. This time off will only help him and Boqvist, they got a taste of the NHL and now with the time off probably added some weight and studied highlights. Attachments:
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 11, 2020 18:33:55 GMT -6
...maybe GT can upload it 😉 |
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