Kirby Dach

[BigT]

I look for him to utterly dominate this tourney. He is the reason why I don’t think kids like Shane Wright should be there. Playing against 19 year olds that can run you the F*** over isn’t always the best thing for you. I’m sure the kid will survive, but he’ll likely get 1-2 points the whole tourney and it’s pointless for him to be benched all the time.

Dach will probably take a few penalties too due to the rules of IIHF. They changed all the rules to stop Canadian teams running teams over. I understand, not sure I’m all for it, but I understand. As long as he has the puck, probably no worries. But remember, he’s used to leaning on NHL guys.

I can see him getting 6 goals 8 assists here. But vs bad teams, he may end up getting 6-7 points in a game. I think he’ll be quite dominant!!!

[ebonyraptor]

Nov 24, 2020 13:06:15 GMT -6 BigT said:

I look for him to utterly dominate this tourney. He is the reason why I don’t think kids like Shane Wright should be there. Playing against 19 year olds that can run you the F*** over isn’t always the best thing for you. I’m sure the kid will survive, but he’ll likely get 1-2 points the whole tourney and it’s pointless for him to be benched all the time.

Dach will probably take a few penalties too due to the rules of IIHF. They changed all the rules to stop Canadian teams running teams over. I understand, not sure I’m all for it, but I understand. As long as he has the puck, probably no worries. But remember, he’s used to leaning on NHL guys.

I can see him getting 6 goals 8 assists here. But vs bad teams, he may end up getting 6-7 points in a game. I think he’ll be quite dominant!!!

I've been on the "trade Kane to Buffalo for Cozens+" bandwagon, and nothing I've seen in the first two games has made me change my opinion that he has a chance to be a very good top-6 NHL player, but the player who has impressed me the most is Krebs. He doesn't have good size but he's got everything else working. If I got to pick any player from the Canada junior team I would most like to have the Hawks acquire - it would be Krebs.

[galaxytrash]

fook me...is it april 1st already?





54$ while supplies last.

[galaxytrash]

dach led both teams with 2g and 2a in an intrasquad scrimmage today.
according to the lineup he played wing with dylan cozens at center.

[ebonyraptor]

Dec 9, 2020 21:28:58 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

dach led both teams with 2g and 2a in an intrasquad scrimmage today.
according to the lineup he played wing with dylan cozens at center.

I'd love to watch it - do you know if it will be on youtube like the first 2 scrimmages before the covid quarantine? 

[galaxytrash]

Dec 9, 2020 22:38:51 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

Dec 9, 2020 21:28:58 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

dach led both teams with 2g and 2a in an intrasquad scrimmage today.
according to the lineup he played wing with dylan cozens at center.

I'd love to watch it - do you know if it will be on youtube like the first 2 scrimmages before the covid quarantine? 

If i see any links i will most definitely pass them on.

[ebonyraptor]

Dec 9, 2020 23:32:26 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Dec 9, 2020 22:38:51 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

I'd love to watch it - do you know if it will be on youtube like the first 2 scrimmages before the covid quarantine? 

If i see any links i will most definitely pass them on.

Thank you sir.

I'm kind of surprised they have Dach playing wing because aside from being weak at the dot I think he plays a pretty good defensive game at the center position. But, it may end up being a good thing because it will show if he's comfortable and effective on the wing which would be good to know for the Hawks.

Again ... I know I'm a screechy broken record with this - but man-o-man I would love for the Hawks to steal Cozens away from Buffalo. I wasn't sold on him before the 2019 draft in terms of being at the same level as Turcotte, Byram and Dach but I like him a whole lot more now. Having he and Dach as the #1-#2 centers of the future would be awesome sauce.

[galaxytrash]

Dec 10, 2020 0:11:26 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

Dec 9, 2020 23:32:26 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

If i see any links i will most definitely pass them on.

 I know I'm a screechy broken record with this - but man-o-man I would love for the Hawks to steal Cozens away from Buffalo. I wasn't sold on him before the 2019 draft in terms of being at the same level as Turcotte, Byram and Dach but I like him a whole lot more now. Having he and Dach as the #1-#2 centers of the future would be awesome sauce.

i have to admit i don't know much about him other than he comes from waaayy up north...but you've definitely piqued my interest and my eyes will be peeled if i can watch some of these games.

[BigT]

Dach is really looking like the real deal. I’d also like to see him at center. Sometimes not getting the first pick ends up being a good thing. Just like Van when they took Petterson. Heiskanen and Makar maybe deserved to go ahead of him, but not Patrick and Hischer.

I’m very happy we didn’t take Turcotte. He struggled at the NCAA last year. I do hope the kid gets it together. But I never really liked his game. He never seemed to stand out and do much more than he had to. I think that US team was a stacked team and they played well together. But so far, the top guys from that team have struggled, Hughes, Turcotte, Caufield etc. All smaller guys that probably see a Dach sized player to help them out in the NHL!!!

[BigT]

I don’t know if anyone listens to any of the podcasts out there. But everyone on there raves about Dach. Spittin Chickletts, Missing Curfew, Bieksa and Kessler have one too. They all talk about Dach a lot. Even Getzlaf has said the kid is gonna be good. He was just cut out for this. I think we’ll be happy with him. And yes, I’ll give credit when due. It’s good Stan had the chance to draft him and did. I thought for sure he was taking Turcotte, I really did. I was sick to my stomach thinking that Stan would take a kid that’s probably gonna be a bust. But he did the right thing....... for once. We’ve got a good one here folks. He’s gonna help any team, rebuild or no rebuild!!!

[galaxytrash]

Dec 9, 2020 22:38:51 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

Dec 9, 2020 21:28:58 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

dach led both teams with 2g and 2a in an intrasquad scrimmage today.
according to the lineup he played wing with dylan cozens at center.

I'd love to watch it - do you know if it will be on youtube like the first 2 scrimmages before the covid quarantine? 

couple intrasquad games from back in november.
i just watched a tiny bit but the coverage/camera work is quite good for scrimmages.

[ebonyraptor]

Dec 10, 2020 19:51:03 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Dec 9, 2020 22:38:51 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

I'd love to watch it - do you know if it will be on youtube like the first 2 scrimmages before the covid quarantine? 

couple intrasquad games from back in november.
i just watched a tiny bit but the coverage/camera work is quite good for scrimmages.

Yep, I watched those a couple days after they played the games back in November. I was hoping they filmed the scrimmage from yesterday and uploaded it to youtube - but so far haven't seen it. I think there's supposed to be a second post-covid scrimmage either today or tomorrow also.

[galaxytrash]

Dec 10, 2020 19:56:28 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

Dec 10, 2020 19:51:03 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

couple intrasquad games from back in november.
i just watched a tiny bit but the coverage/camera work is quite good for scrimmages.

Yep, I watched those a couple days after they played the games back in November. I was hoping they filmed the scrimmage from yesterday and uploaded it to youtube - but so far haven't seen it. I think there's supposed to be a second post-covid scrimmage either today or tomorrow also.

i think there's a game on right now that started at 8 pm eastern but cannot find any live coverage on YT.

btw, cozens is centering dach on RW and jack quinn on the left side tonight.

i believe this is the last intrasquad game.

www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/team-canada/men/junior/2020-21

edit: no points for dach, his team loses 4-0.

[Tater]

I hope they at least give Dach SOME time at center. I'd like to see how he does on faceoffs in more high pressure situations. I think he's be a great wing, but I really hope he sticks as a center.

[acesandeights]

^^
I agree it would be good to see Dach get some time at C. He needs to take some faceoffs in real games against players other than his own teammates. Practice will help some but real games are better since you'll get to go against a lot of different guys.
We also better hope Dach can eventually play center. If he can't and ends up at wing, then the Hawks are going to be right back in the same boat as they were in leading up to the Dach draft; they'll have a big need once again for a future #1 C. And what are the chances of getting one if they don't draft until around middle of the first?

[hsbob]

Dec 10, 2020 16:38:33 GMT -6 BigT said:

I don’t know if anyone listens to any of the podcasts out there. But everyone on there raves about Dach. Spittin Chickletts, Missing Curfew, Bieksa and Kessler have one too. They all talk about Dach a lot. Even Getzlaf has said the kid is gonna be good. He was just cut out for this. I think we’ll be happy with him. And yes, I’ll give credit when due. It’s good Stan had the chance to draft him and did. I thought for sure he was taking Turcotte, I really did. I was sick to my stomach thinking that Stan would take a kid that’s probably gonna be a bust. But he did the right thing....... for once. We’ve got a good one here folks. He’s gonna help any team, rebuild or no rebuild!!!

Heir apparent.....what more can a guy say. I'll be sick to MY stomach if the kid doesn't improve at the dot,I can't imagine what you woulda said about Schmaltz winnin' a 1/3 of his draws. 

I'll take your money on Turcotte bein' a bust too,he had 26pts in his first 29 NCAA games mostly as a 18yro and that says bust to you?       

[ebonyraptor]

Dec 11, 2020 8:08:54 GMT -6 acesandeights said:

^^
I agree it would be good to see Dach get some time at C. He needs to take some faceoffs in real games against players other than his own teammates. Practice will help some but real games are better since you'll get to go against a lot of different guys.
We also better hope Dach can eventually play center. If he can't and ends up at wing, then the Hawks are going to be right back in the same boat as they were in leading up to the Dach draft; they'll have a big need once again for a future #1 C. And what are the chances of getting one if they don't draft until around middle of the first?

I can't divine the reasons of the Canadian Team coaches to play Dach at wing, but my guess is they like Cozens and Dach playing together and Cozens is less effective at wing than Dach is. I doubt Dach playing wing in World Juniors portends the same for the Hawks. His deficiency at the dot does not disqualify his otherwise fine play at center in other areas - most notably on defense where he is very good in the role of "3rd d-man" around the crease and behind his net.

[BigT]

Dec 11, 2020 8:31:44 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Dec 10, 2020 16:38:33 GMT -6 BigT said:

I don’t know if anyone listens to any of the podcasts out there. But everyone on there raves about Dach. Spittin Chickletts, Missing Curfew, Bieksa and Kessler have one too. They all talk about Dach a lot. Even Getzlaf has said the kid is gonna be good. He was just cut out for this. I think we’ll be happy with him. And yes, I’ll give credit when due. It’s good Stan had the chance to draft him and did. I thought for sure he was taking Turcotte, I really did. I was sick to my stomach thinking that Stan would take a kid that’s probably gonna be a bust. But he did the right thing....... for once. We’ve got a good one here folks. He’s gonna help any team, rebuild or no rebuild!!!

Heir apparent.....what more can a guy say. I'll be sick to MY stomach if the kid doesn't improve at the dot,I can't imagine what you woulda said about Schmaltz winnin' a 1/3 of his draws. 

I'll take your money on Turcotte bein' a bust too,he had 26pts in his first 29 NCAA games mostly as a 18yro and that says bust to you?       

He was a minus 10 on a decent team. He may make the NHL, as I’ve said, I hope he does. I really do. But as a 3rd overall, he’d probably be a bust and rushed into the lineup.

Every report I read on the kid was that he was struggling with the NCAA speed and size. Ya he got some points, but he sure as hell was on the ice for a lot more against the he was for. He got every opportunity to succeed there. He still may. But when looking at numbers like 26 points in 29 games sounds great, but he obviously struggled if he was a -10. With his team mates scoring goals that he didn’t get points on he was probably on the ice for 45-50 goals for last year. That’s reasonable to think that. So that means he was n the ice for 55-65 goals against in 29 games. That’s awful. Like we’ve always said, numbers only tell part of the story!!!

[hsbob]

Dec 11, 2020 9:39:58 GMT -6 BigT said:

Dec 11, 2020 8:31:44 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Heir apparent.....what more can a guy say. I'll be sick to MY stomach if the kid doesn't improve at the dot,I can't imagine what you woulda said about Schmaltz winnin' a 1/3 of his draws. 

I'll take your money on Turcotte bein' a bust too,he had 26pts in his first 29 NCAA games mostly as a 18yro and that says bust to you?       

He was a minus 10 on a decent team. He may make the NHL, as I’ve said, I hope he does. I really do. But as a 3rd overall, he’d probably be a bust and rushed into the lineup.

Every report I read on the kid was that he was struggling with the NCAA speed and size. Ya he got some points, but he sure as hell was on the ice for a lot more against the he was for. He got every opportunity to succeed there. He still may. But when looking at numbers like 26 points in 29 games sounds great, but he obviously struggled if he was a -10. With his team mates scoring goals that he didn’t get points on he was probably on the ice for 45-50 goals for last year. That’s reasonable to think that. So that means he was n the ice for 55-65 goals against in 29 games. That’s awful. Like we’ve always said, numbers only tell part of the story!!!

You've really gone outta your way to make a case against the American kid after one NCAA season played mostly @18yrs old. I'll take you money on whether he's a bust too.....just say the word.

[BigT]

Dec 11, 2020 10:07:49 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Dec 11, 2020 9:39:58 GMT -6 BigT said:

He was a minus 10 on a decent team. He may make the NHL, as I’ve said, I hope he does. I really do. But as a 3rd overall, he’d probably be a bust and rushed into the lineup.

Every report I read on the kid was that he was struggling with the NCAA speed and size. Ya he got some points, but he sure as hell was on the ice for a lot more against the he was for. He got every opportunity to succeed there. He still may. But when looking at numbers like 26 points in 29 games sounds great, but he obviously struggled if he was a -10. With his team mates scoring goals that he didn’t get points on he was probably on the ice for 45-50 goals for last year. That’s reasonable to think that. So that means he was n the ice for 55-65 goals against in 29 games. That’s awful. Like we’ve always said, numbers only tell part of the story!!!

You've really gone outta your way to make a case against the American kid after one NCAA season played mostly @18yrs old. I'll take you money on whether he's a bust too.....just say the word.

It doesn’t matter where he comes from Bob. The kid was on the ice for about 2 goals against per game. He struggled. Would you prefer him over Dach? You do your share of complaining about “another small player”. Turcotte is 5’11” and 185. Not exactly the size we’re looking for, and definitely not the heir apparent to Toews. I think Dach is a solid pick and possibly the best in that draft. Just like Toews was in his draft!!!

[ebonyraptor]

Dec 11, 2020 10:07:49 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Dec 11, 2020 9:39:58 GMT -6 BigT said:

He was a minus 10 on a decent team. He may make the NHL, as I’ve said, I hope he does. I really do. But as a 3rd overall, he’d probably be a bust and rushed into the lineup.

Every report I read on the kid was that he was struggling with the NCAA speed and size. Ya he got some points, but he sure as hell was on the ice for a lot more against the he was for. He got every opportunity to succeed there. He still may. But when looking at numbers like 26 points in 29 games sounds great, but he obviously struggled if he was a -10. With his team mates scoring goals that he didn’t get points on he was probably on the ice for 45-50 goals for last year. That’s reasonable to think that. So that means he was n the ice for 55-65 goals against in 29 games. That’s awful. Like we’ve always said, numbers only tell part of the story!!!

You've really gone outta your way to make a case against the American kid after one NCAA season played mostly @18yrs old. I'll take you money on whether he's a bust too.....just say the word.

At the risk of being "Mr. Buttinski" - I'm going to shove my considerable shnozz into the conversation ... not that "T" needs me to "fight his battles", but I think the implication he has a bias against American players is not correct. He certainly has a bias in favor of the CHL against the NCAA and has made no bones about that, but he cites the level of play being better for player development for the reason he favors the CHL - not where a player is born. And, I generally agree with him on that. I think I might not be as adamant or rigid in that view as he is but from a numbers standpoint the CHL tops the NCAA and every other NHL "feeder league". 

[gigecj]

Dec 11, 2020 10:41:10 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

Dec 11, 2020 10:07:49 GMT -6 hsbob said:

You've really gone outta your way to make a case against the American kid after one NCAA season played mostly @18yrs old. I'll take you money on whether he's a bust too.....just say the word.

At the risk of being "Mr. Buttinski" - I'm going to shove my considerable shnozz into the conversation ... not that "T" needs me to "fight his battles", but I think the implication he has a bias against American players is not correct. He certainly has a bias in favor of the CHL against the NCAA and has made no bones about that, but he cites the level of play being better for player development for the reason he favors the CHL - not where a player is born. And, I generally agree with him on that. I think I might not be as adamant or rigid in that view as he is but from a numbers standpoint the CHL tops the NCAA and every other NHL "feeder league". 

I agree concerning T's charge concerning CHL v. NCAA.  For example, Patrick Kane, an American, of course, played in the CHL and I don't recall a bias against Kaner over the years especially for that reason. Then, there's been DCat and others.  DCat has had his issues, but I haven't detected a bias from T even there.

[acesandeights]

Dec 11, 2020 9:16:38 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

Dec 11, 2020 8:08:54 GMT -6 acesandeights said:

^^
I agree it would be good to see Dach get some time at C. He needs to take some faceoffs in real games against players other than his own teammates. Practice will help some but real games are better since you'll get to go against a lot of different guys.
We also better hope Dach can eventually play center. If he can't and ends up at wing, then the Hawks are going to be right back in the same boat as they were in leading up to the Dach draft; they'll have a big need once again for a future #1 C. And what are the chances of getting one if they don't draft until around middle of the first?

I can't divine the reasons of the Canadian Team coaches to play Dach at wing, but my guess is they like Cozens and Dach playing together and Cozens is less effective at wing than Dach is. I doubt Dach playing wing in World Juniors portends the same for the Hawks. His deficiency at the dot does not disqualify his otherwise fine play at center in other areas - most notably on defense where he is very good in the role of "3rd d-man" around the crease and behind his net.

True enough. Being the wjc's, the coaches goal would be to ice the best team they can and maybe they feel Dach at wing instead of C makes them better.  

[hsbob]

Dec 11, 2020 10:36:31 GMT -6 BigT said:

Dec 11, 2020 10:07:49 GMT -6 hsbob said:

You've really gone outta your way to make a case against the American kid after one NCAA season played mostly @18yrs old. I'll take you money on whether he's a bust too.....just say the word.

It doesn’t matter where he comes from Bob. The kid was on the ice for about 2 goals against per game. He struggled. Would you prefer him over Dach? You do your share of complaining about “another small player”. Turcotte is 5’11” and 185. Not exactly the size we’re looking for, and definitely not the heir apparent to Toews. I think Dach is a solid pick and possibly the best in that draft. Just like Toews was in his draft!!!

So you're gonna spike the football over an eight goal 33%FO regular season? One goal and 30% at the dot in the PO's says what?

[hsbob]

Dec 11, 2020 10:41:10 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

Dec 11, 2020 10:07:49 GMT -6 hsbob said:

You've really gone outta your way to make a case against the American kid after one NCAA season played mostly @18yrs old. I'll take you money on whether he's a bust too.....just say the word.

At the risk of being "Mr. Buttinski" - I'm going to shove my considerable shnozz into the conversation ... not that "T" needs me to "fight his battles", but I think the implication he has a bias against American players is not correct. He certainly has a bias in favor of the CHL against the NCAA and has made no bones about that, but he cites the level of play being better for player development for the reason he favors the CHL - not where a player is born. And, I generally agree with him on that. I think I might not be as adamant or rigid in that view as he is but from a numbers standpoint the CHL tops the NCAA and every other NHL "feeder league". 

I could say the sun comes up in the F'n east and probably not have you on my side and I'm GOOD with that. T's basically called NCAA hockey players spoiled drug addicts(the posts are there),that might be okay with you but I'll take exception every time.
No one's argued the NCAA is a better feeder than the CHL,I've said so many times myself. I just don't settle for personal attacks against young hockey players and I'm disappointed other do. 
NCAA players are American by a WIDE margin and that's not lost on me.

Calling a 19yro kid a bust before he ever gets a chance to play the NHL game is bullshit and somehow Hughes' 7 goals last year is a massive failure but 8 for our guy's a sure trip to the Hof. WTF is that.   

[hsbob]

Dec 11, 2020 11:52:06 GMT -6 gigecj said:

Dec 11, 2020 10:41:10 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

At the risk of being "Mr. Buttinski" - I'm going to shove my considerable shnozz into the conversation ... not that "T" needs me to "fight his battles", but I think the implication he has a bias against American players is not correct. He certainly has a bias in favor of the CHL against the NCAA and has made no bones about that, but he cites the level of play being better for player development for the reason he favors the CHL - not where a player is born. And, I generally agree with him on that. I think I might not be as adamant or rigid in that view as he is but from a numbers standpoint the CHL tops the NCAA and every other NHL "feeder league". 

I agree concerning T's charge concerning CHL v. NCAA.  For example, Patrick Kane, an American, of course, played in the CHL and I don't recall a bias against Kaner over the years especially for that reason. Then, there's been DCat and others.  DCat has had his issues, but I haven't detected a bias from T even there.

The derogatory insults were directed at NCAA hockey players in general and the entire US hockey development system and those KIDS are American kids by a wide margin. 

There's a bunch of great players in the league that went the college route no matter who likes it.


 

[vadarx]

Dec 11, 2020 9:16:38 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

Dec 11, 2020 8:08:54 GMT -6 acesandeights said:

^^
I agree it would be good to see Dach get some time at C. He needs to take some faceoffs in real games against players other than his own teammates. Practice will help some but real games are better since you'll get to go against a lot of different guys.
We also better hope Dach can eventually play center. If he can't and ends up at wing, then the Hawks are going to be right back in the same boat as they were in leading up to the Dach draft; they'll have a big need once again for a future #1 C. And what are the chances of getting one if they don't draft until around middle of the first?

I can't divine the reasons of the Canadian Team coaches to play Dach at wing, but my guess is they like Cozens and Dach playing together and Cozens is less effective at wing than Dach is. I doubt Dach playing wing in World Juniors portends the same for the Hawks. His deficiency at the dot does not disqualify his otherwise fine play at center in other areas - most notably on defense where he is very good in the role of "3rd d-man" around the crease and behind his net.

this is probably a strong possibility here, but at the same time his lack of proficiency at the dot has been something that has been talked about since before he was drafted. I personally thought he wouldn't be an option and was surprised when they took him at 3, because it seemed to me, from what I had seen/read, that he looked like wing would be his best position in NHL.

having said this, now that we've had him for a year and I've been able to watch him closer, I understand why they took him. if he can work on his face offs, he has all the rest of the tools he needs to be a top line center in the league. his defensive play will only get better and it is already pretty good. not to mention he seems to take pride in working in the defensive end. however, should he not be able to get a handle on things at the dot, he could be a very Hossa-like winger with his size/speed/reach and willingness to work to get the biscuit back. I would be fine with either development. he is firmly entrenched as the first piece of the rebuild going forward.

[ebonyraptor]

Dec 11, 2020 13:27:55 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Dec 11, 2020 10:41:10 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

At the risk of being "Mr. Buttinski" - I'm going to shove my considerable shnozz into the conversation ... not that "T" needs me to "fight his battles", but I think the implication he has a bias against American players is not correct. He certainly has a bias in favor of the CHL against the NCAA and has made no bones about that, but he cites the level of play being better for player development for the reason he favors the CHL - not where a player is born. And, I generally agree with him on that. I think I might not be as adamant or rigid in that view as he is but from a numbers standpoint the CHL tops the NCAA and every other NHL "feeder league". 

I could say the sun comes up in the F'n east and probably not have you on my side and I'm GOOD with that. T's basically called NCAA hockey players spoiled drug addicts(the posts are there),that might be okay with you but I'll take exception every time.
No one's argued the NCAA is a better feeder than the CHL,I've said so many times myself. I just don't settle for personal attacks against young hockey players and I'm disappointed other do. 
NCAA players are American by a WIDE margin and that's not lost on me.

Calling a 19yro kid a bust before he ever gets a chance to play the NHL game is bullshit and somehow Hughes' 7 goals last year is a massive failure but 8 for our guy's a sure trip to the Hof. WTF is that.   

Bob, I suppose you're right that I've been  ... shall we say ... a little acerbic in my replies to your posts lately. Apologies - nothing "internet-personal" - I just seem to be on the other side of your views lately. In any case - I'm glad you're good with it because I think it's pretty silly to get angry or butthurt by some goof (me) on the internet.

But, just to burnish by goof bona fides - the sun doesn't actually come up in the east - the Earth rotates from east to west towards the sun, giving the appearance the sun moves in relation to the Earth ... just sayin ...

[BigT]

Dec 11, 2020 13:27:55 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Dec 11, 2020 10:41:10 GMT -6 ebonyraptor said:

At the risk of being "Mr. Buttinski" - I'm going to shove my considerable shnozz into the conversation ... not that "T" needs me to "fight his battles", but I think the implication he has a bias against American players is not correct. He certainly has a bias in favor of the CHL against the NCAA and has made no bones about that, but he cites the level of play being better for player development for the reason he favors the CHL - not where a player is born. And, I generally agree with him on that. I think I might not be as adamant or rigid in that view as he is but from a numbers standpoint the CHL tops the NCAA and every other NHL "feeder league". 

I could say the sun comes up in the F'n east and probably not have you on my side and I'm GOOD with that. T's basically called NCAA hockey players spoiled drug addicts(the posts are there),that might be okay with you but I'll take exception every time.
No one's argued the NCAA is a better feeder than the CHL,I've said so many times myself. I just don't settle for personal attacks against young hockey players and I'm disappointed other do. 
NCAA players are American by a WIDE margin and that's not lost on me.

Calling a 19yro kid a bust before he ever gets a chance to play the NHL game is bullshit and somehow Hughes' 7 goals last year is a massive failure but 8 for our guy's a sure trip to the Hof. WTF is that.   

Bob this is absolutely ridiculous and offside. I’ve had enough of this shit. MVR is the one you had problem with and I never fuckin once called a kid a drug addict that wasn’t. I know you’re and older man now, and I do respect you and your thoughts. But this is nothing more than bullshit and you know it. If you knew my involvement in minor hockey and how much I praise kids, like I did with Dach, like I have with Dcat, Kubalik etc and the many kids I’ve coached and will continue to coach and coach against. I just got asked to coach the top kids in my sons age group in Ontario. They’ve also asked us both to represent North America in Finland and Sweden this summer. I’m pretty fuckin sure if I went around calling kids fuckin drug addicts I wouldn’t even be allowed In the fuckin room. Enough is enough. If you don’t like me, cool. But don’t make up stupid shit. I’d hope you’re much better than that!!!

[hsbob]

Dec 11, 2020 21:36:18 GMT -6 BigT said:

Dec 11, 2020 13:27:55 GMT -6 hsbob said:

I could say the sun comes up in the F'n east and probably not have you on my side and I'm GOOD with that. T's basically called NCAA hockey players spoiled drug addicts(the posts are there),that might be okay with you but I'll take exception every time.
No one's argued the NCAA is a better feeder than the CHL,I've said so many times myself. I just don't settle for personal attacks against young hockey players and I'm disappointed other do. 
NCAA players are American by a WIDE margin and that's not lost on me.

Calling a 19yro kid a bust before he ever gets a chance to play the NHL game is bullshit and somehow Hughes' 7 goals last year is a massive failure but 8 for our guy's a sure trip to the Hof. WTF is that.   

Bob this is absolutely ridiculous and offside. I’ve had enough of this shit. MVR is the one you had problem with and I never fuckin once called a kid a drug addict that wasn’t. I know you’re and older man now, and I do respect you and your thoughts. But this is nothing more than bullshit and you know it. If you knew my involvement in minor hockey and how much I praise kids, like I did with Dach, like I have with Dcat, Kubalik etc and the many kids I’ve coached and will continue to coach and coach against. I just got asked to coach the top kids in my sons age group in Ontario. They’ve also asked us both to represent North America in Finland and Sweden this summer. I’m pretty fuckin sure if I went around calling kids fuckin drug addicts I wouldn’t even be allowed In the fuckin room. Enough is enough. If you don’t like me, cool. But don’t make up stupid shit. I’d hope you’re much better than that!!!

Don't worry about my fuckin age Jr,I'll hold my own with you anywhere. My bad if that was mvr who brought up the drug issues but you've had terrible things to say about the NCAA,US development,USHL and American hockey in general......own it. 
Do you think I forget our back and forth about college players and college life in general? I don't.
You've derided every American college kid drafted here even though most of em made the league and call another 19yro American kid a bust after one decent NCAA season.
You call Hughes a bust for pottin 7 and Dach a can't miss for pottin 8......we'll see.  
I remember two summers ago too and your saying drafting Turcotte would have turned your stomach(which you repeated recently) and you wanted any one of three Canadian kids instead.