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Post by Tater on Dec 24, 2020 13:14:36 GMT -6
SB note to JC-"Kirby should never check anyone" Sad but true. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 13:25:28 GMT -6
Another fireable offense by Stan loaning your top future player out for a meaningless tournament when you're counting on them for a big contribution.
Did the Rangers loan Kakko or Lafreniere?
Did Devils loan Hughes?
Why did Stan even bother risking something like this?
Does he just not give a crap???
Hopefully president Bowman will fire GM Bowman
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 24, 2020 14:41:48 GMT -6
Another fireable offense by Stan loaning your top future player out for a meaningless tournament when you're counting on them for a big contribution. Did the Rangers loan Kakko or Lafreniere? Did Devils loan Hughes? Why did Stan even bother risking something like this? Does he just not give a crap??? Hopefully president Bowman will fire GM Bowman They both played in the tourney before they got drafted. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 24, 2020 15:00:08 GMT -6
SB note to JC-"Kirby should never check anyone" All honesty I’ve bumped into people in malls harder than that. It was a play that’s not exactly uncommon in games. Sometimes s@#t happens. I wouldn’t want him to change his style over something so bizarre. Some of the hits he took last year show that he’s not all that brittle. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 15:05:18 GMT -6
Another fireable offense by Stan loaning your top future player out for a meaningless tournament when you're counting on them for a big contribution. Did the Rangers loan Kakko or Lafreniere? Did Devils loan Hughes? Why did Stan even bother risking something like this? Does he just not give a crap??? Hopefully president Bowman will fire GM Bowman They both played in the tourney before they got drafted. Yes. That’s fine. No team has them yet. You’re completely missing my point. Once drafted you are “owned” by a team and a big part of said teams future. Dach didn’t need this tournament. He’s already had NHL experience and was going to be a big part of the NHL team this year as well. There’s nothing to be gained for him and everything to lose. It’s a stupid decision to put your players at risk. Please try following along with my frustration. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 24, 2020 15:30:03 GMT -6
They both played in the tourney before they got drafted. Yes. That’s fine. No team has them yet. You’re completely missing my point. Once drafted you are “owned” by a team and a big part of said teams future. Dach didn’t need this tournament. He’s already had NHL experience and was going to be a big part of the NHL team this year as well. There’s nothing to be gained for him and everything to lose. It’s a stupid decision to put your players at risk. Please try following along with my frustration. I get your frustration but there are a lot of high end kids in this tournament, many repeaters as well who have legitimate shots at making their teams. Ninety nine percent of these kids come out of this healthy. It was a fluke. Dach was graced with the “C”, a huge step up in responsibility if you’re under the glass like you are playing for Canada, the whole country gets absorbed by this after all, and a major step in his maturity if he’s expected to be the heir to Toews. If Dach came out of this as a top scorer or tournament MVP we’d all be on the other side of the fence. Plus, if the NHL were playing he’d be a thousand miles from Edmonton. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 17:06:59 GMT -6
Yes. That’s fine. No team has them yet. You’re completely missing my point. Once drafted you are “owned” by a team and a big part of said teams future. Dach didn’t need this tournament. He’s already had NHL experience and was going to be a big part of the NHL team this year as well. There’s nothing to be gained for him and everything to lose. It’s a stupid decision to put your players at risk. Please try following along with my frustration. I get your frustration but there are a lot of high end kids in this tournament, many repeaters as well who have legitimate shots at making their teams. Ninety nine percent of these kids come out of this healthy. It was a fluke. Dach was graced with the “C”, a huge step up in responsibility if you’re under the glass like you are playing for Canada, the whole country gets absorbed by this after all, and a major step in his maturity if he’s expected to be the heir to Toews. If Dach came out of this as a top scorer or tournament MVP we’d all be on the other side of the fence. Plus, if the NHL were playing he’d be a thousand miles from Edmonton. I am sorry but I don't give a crap about other prospects in the tournament or how Canada the country feels about this tournament. The others you mention are still prospects, not locked into a top-6 spot on a NHL team. He's a NHL player and signed a multi-million dollar NHL contract. His responsibility is to the Blackhawks not Canada. If he or the country feels strongly opposed then give up the money and go play in international tournaments only and the Blackhawks can spend the money elsewhere. I also get injuries are a fluke, but you know how you assure yourself an injury like this doesn't occur? BY NOT LOANING OUT YOUR BRIGHTEST YOUNG STAR TO PLAY IN A MEANINGLESS TOURNAMENT!!! and no, if he came out of this healthy and looking great I wouldn't be on the other side of the fence, I've always hated loaning players to this crap and was livid when Stan did it with Joker 2 years ago, as well if he wouldn't have been there with NHL season currently going he shouldn't have been there now... period |
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Post by tincup on Dec 24, 2020 17:33:11 GMT -6
I get your frustration but there are a lot of high end kids in this tournament, many repeaters as well who have legitimate shots at making their teams. Ninety nine percent of these kids come out of this healthy. It was a fluke. Dach was graced with the “C”, a huge step up in responsibility if you’re under the glass like you are playing for Canada, the whole country gets absorbed by this after all, and a major step in his maturity if he’s expected to be the heir to Toews. If Dach came out of this as a top scorer or tournament MVP we’d all be on the other side of the fence. Plus, if the NHL were playing he’d be a thousand miles from Edmonton. I am sorry but I don't give a crap about other prospects in the tournament or how Canada the country feels about this tournament. The others you mention are still prospects, not locked into a top-6 spot on a NHL team. He's a NHL player and signed a multi-million dollar NHL contract. His responsibility is to the Blackhawks not Canada. If he or the country feels strongly opposed then give up the money and go play in international tournaments only and the Blackhawks can spend the money elsewhere. I also get injuries are a fluke, but you know how you assure yourself an injury like this doesn't occur? BY NOT LOANING OUT YOUR BRIGHTEST YOUNG START TO PLAY IN A MEANINGLESS TOURNAMENT!!! and no, if he came out of this healthy and looking great I wouldn't be on the other side of the fence, I've always hated loaning players to this crap and was livid when Stan did it with Joker 2 years ago, as well if he wouldn't have been there with NHL season currently going he shouldn't have been there now... period So end participation in the Olympics as well, or the World’s for the non playoff players. Maybe a contract clause against everyday risks, riding, sledding, boating then. I’ve seen a lot of players take themselves out for months by over training. It’s life. Not everybody feels like you. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 18:30:51 GMT -6
I am sorry but I don't give a crap about other prospects in the tournament or how Canada the country feels about this tournament. The others you mention are still prospects, not locked into a top-6 spot on a NHL team. He's a NHL player and signed a multi-million dollar NHL contract. His responsibility is to the Blackhawks not Canada. If he or the country feels strongly opposed then give up the money and go play in international tournaments only and the Blackhawks can spend the money elsewhere. I also get injuries are a fluke, but you know how you assure yourself an injury like this doesn't occur? BY NOT LOANING OUT YOUR BRIGHTEST YOUNG START TO PLAY IN A MEANINGLESS TOURNAMENT!!! and no, if he came out of this healthy and looking great I wouldn't be on the other side of the fence, I've always hated loaning players to this crap and was livid when Stan did it with Joker 2 years ago, as well if he wouldn't have been there with NHL season currently going he shouldn't have been there now... period So end participation in the Olympics as well, or the World’s for the non playoff players. Maybe a contract clause against everyday risks, riding, sledding, boating then. I’ve seen a lot of players take themselves out for months by over training. It’s life. Not everybody feels like you. yeah people apparently don't care about their favorite teams like I do and yes I am 100% ok with ending participation for NHL players in the Olympics and World's |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 24, 2020 21:15:10 GMT -6
I can't blame the Hawks for allowing Dach to live a life long dream to play for his country in a premier international tournament. Dach is more than a Hawks' asset - he's a person who had an opportunity to do one of the coolest things a Canadian boy could do and he was within his rights to do so and the Hawks were right to allow it. Stuff happens. You can't live your life in fear.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 21:23:51 GMT -6
I can't blame the Hawks for allowing Dach to live a life long dream to play for his country in a premier international tournament. Dach is more than a Hawks' asset - he's a person who had an opportunity to do one of the coolest things a Canadian boy could do and he was within his rights to do so and the Hawks were right to allow it. Stuff happens. You can't live your life in fear. guess we'll have to agree to disagree he is right to dream and ask to do it the hawks are not right to allow it again, if it meant more to him to do it then playing for the team that is making him a very wealthy kid than he could not sign his contract or wait to be drafted another year again, why did the rangers not allow their kids to play? or the devils? simple: they value their young assets who they are paying millions to and care about winning it is, once again, obvious stan doesn't care about winning anymore or value the few assets this team currently has on a side note, what is dach... who clearly has no sense of loyalty to the Blackhawks so screw him... even doing going for a hit in an exhibition game of a BS tournament? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 21:47:40 GMT -6
anyway, on that note i am checking out again... my anger is at bad levels any my hatred of this franchise and most players is at a new high
talk to you all again when bowman is gone
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Post by vadarx on Dec 24, 2020 21:56:10 GMT -6
I can't blame the Hawks for allowing Dach to live a life long dream to play for his country in a premier international tournament. Dach is more than a Hawks' asset - he's a person who had an opportunity to do one of the coolest things a Canadian boy could do and he was within his rights to do so and the Hawks were right to allow it. Stuff happens. You can't live your life in fear. guess we'll have to agree to disagree he is right to dream and ask to do it the hawks are not right to allow it again, if it meant more to him to do it then playing for the team that is making him a very wealthy kid than he could not sign his contract or wait to be drafted another year again, why did the rangers not allow their kids to play? or the devils? simple: they value their young assets who they are paying millions to and care about winning it is, once again, obvious stan doesn't care about winning anymore or value the few assets this team currently has on a side note, what is dach... who clearly has no sense of loyalty to the Blackhawks so screw him... even doing going for a hit in an exhibition game of a BS tournament? I gotta tell ya, merp, I think you are reaching here a little. I understand 100% what you are saying, but at the same time I think you are being overly harsh. we are in agreement that he shouldn't be playing in this tourney, but for different reasons. I think he should have already accomplished this dream last year, so he shouldn't be playing this year. however, that didn't happen, and with all the uncertainty surrounding the NHL season when he decided to participate, I don't think you can blame him for agreeing to or the Blackhawks for allowing him to. what happened last night was a freak occurrence, nada you can do about it. do I wish he wasn't there and wasn't now likely out for the season? yep. but, it is what is now. I can't fault him for wanting to pursue a dream of his when he wasn't able to last year as he was committed to playing in Chicago and I can't fault the 'hawks for allowing him to when it was no sure thing when or if a season was going to occur. had they told him no, I would've understood that as well. think of it this way, him missing a bunch of time might stunt his development a little, but it also should help the "rebuild" by making us worse this year. so there is that, I suppose. as far as other teams go, Lafreniere decided himself not to participate, as did others who could have. most of those guys had the chance to play in world juniors before, Dach did not. just an unfortunate series of events that wouldn't have occurred had the 'hawks just given him another year in juniors last season..... c'est la vie |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 24, 2020 21:57:18 GMT -6
anyway, on that note i am checking out again... my anger is at bad levels any my hatred of this franchise and most players is at a new high talk to you all again when bowman is gone feel free to come back well before then, man. your anger is completely understandable! |
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Post by Tater on Dec 25, 2020 0:51:17 GMT -6
anyway, on that note i am checking out again... my anger is at bad levels any my hatred of this franchise and most players is at a new high talk to you all again when bowman is gone feel free to come back well before then, man. your anger is completely understandable! No doubt. No need to check out. Hockey starts again in 3 weeks and there will be lots for all of us to bitch about.
Bonus, no Nylander or D. Sikura will mean my blood pressure drops a bunch.  |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 25, 2020 0:57:33 GMT -6
feel free to come back well before then, man. your anger is completely understandable! No doubt. No need to check out. Hockey starts again in 3 weeks and there will be lots for all of us to bitch about.
Bonus, no Nylander or D. Sikura will mean my blood pressure drops a bunch. ha! yeah, no shit..... |
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Dec 25, 2020 8:51:32 GMT -6
I'm not taking sides of if he should of played, but I'm sure he wanted to, and part of the reasons givin were to also develope leadership skills, being they have plans for him in the future,
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Post by hsbob on Dec 25, 2020 9:18:48 GMT -6
I can't blame the Hawks for allowing Dach to live a life long dream to play for his country in a premier international tournament. Dach is more than a Hawks' asset - he's a person who had an opportunity to do one of the coolest things a Canadian boy could do and he was within his rights to do so and the Hawks were right to allow it. Stuff happens. You can't live your life in fear. guess we'll have to agree to disagree he is right to dream and ask to do it the hawks are not right to allow it again, if it meant more to him to do it then playing for the team that is making him a very wealthy kid than he could not sign his contract or wait to be drafted another year again, why did the rangers not allow their kids to play? or the devils? simple: they value their young assets who they are paying millions to and care about winning it is, once again, obvious stan doesn't care about winning anymore or value the few assets this team currently has on a side note, what is dach... who clearly has no sense of loyalty to the Blackhawks so screw him... even doing going for a hit in an exhibition game of a BS tournament? I'll kick Ol' Scambo in the ass for just about anything these days merp but allowing Dach to be captain for team Canada could have been a massive developmental step that gave him all the confidence he needed to take the next step and the WJ's ain't really all that physical these days. I understand your opinion because there's no doubt he doesn't get hurt in a tourney he doesn't play in and I understand vadarx opinion as well but here we are. I watched that game and the replay in slo-mo a dozen times and I still can't figure out how he hurt himself but to your point........didn't he get concussed in a pre season Jr. tourney last year too. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 25, 2020 11:31:55 GMT -6
I myself hated when they started to let "professionals" start playing in the Olympics and other amateur sports.
But there was nothing could be done when the players union wanted this to happen.
I guess they felt left out since they went the Pro route instead of amateur route then Pro.
Same as the NBA did with the "dream team" of the 90's.
I've had this debate with others forever now but I know it is what it is now.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 25, 2020 13:51:37 GMT -6
Looks nasty. Attachments:
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 25, 2020 14:01:50 GMT -6
That's gonna leave a mark. |
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Post by Tater on Dec 25, 2020 14:33:56 GMT -6
Not good!!! My wife said it looks like a turkey.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 14:36:15 GMT -6
if that thing doesn't heal/set correctly his career might be over
Kruger was never the same on faceoffs after he broke his wrist and he didn't rely on said wrist for ANY offense whatsoever, obviously
and if his career never lives up to the hype he'll only have himself and Bowman to blame
cause playing for canada was far more important than playing for the team that pays you millions
he should refund their money
selfish kid
ok, goodbye again
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Post by tincup on Dec 25, 2020 19:36:33 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 25, 2020 19:39:16 GMT -6
guess we'll have to agree to disagree he is right to dream and ask to do it the hawks are not right to allow it again, if it meant more to him to do it then playing for the team that is making him a very wealthy kid than he could not sign his contract or wait to be drafted another year again, why did the rangers not allow their kids to play? or the devils? simple: they value their young assets who they are paying millions to and care about winning it is, once again, obvious stan doesn't care about winning anymore or value the few assets this team currently has on a side note, what is dach... who clearly has no sense of loyalty to the Blackhawks so screw him... even doing going for a hit in an exhibition game of a BS tournament? I watched that game and the replay in slo-mo a dozen times and I still can't figure out how he hurt himself but to your point........ didn't he get concussed in a pre season Jr. tourney last year too.yeah....the bottom picture, at the traverse city tourney. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 25, 2020 20:21:44 GMT -6
Where did you get the pic from? Kirbys Instagram post. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 25, 2020 22:28:47 GMT -6
Is the official word still that he might require surgery - WHAT?- how in the world can that NOT require surgery? I'm surprised it didn't come through the skin. It looks like the aftermath of Dr. Frankenstein on a bender. MERCY! |
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Post by BigT on Dec 26, 2020 17:35:17 GMT -6
This could be the year that the Hawks could bottom right out. Top sniper Nylander is out. That’s gonna hurt the AHL. Now with Dach out. Is this still a “turn to the youth” year?
Signing Soderberg is a great signing if you’re going for it. He’s got some game. Wouldn’t that take away from a kid getting a look? This year already looks terrible for the Hawks already!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 20:36:57 GMT -6
So a question regarding Dach's ELC.....if he misses the entire season does that delay the 2nd year on his ELC? And if so, what if he plays even 1 game this coming season? How does that affect ELC?
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Post by mikeveisor on Dec 26, 2020 23:16:22 GMT -6
This could be the year that the Hawks could bottom right out. Top sniper Nylander is out. That’s gonna hurt the AHL. Now with Dach out. Is this still a “turn to the youth” year? Signing Soderberg is a great signing if you’re going for it. He’s got some game. Wouldn’t that take away from a kid getting a look? This year already looks terrible for the Hawks already!!! Big T - I'm on your page as far as development. This year is better be unsettling. And an opportunity to make certain what the Hawks have in the contractual-pipeline is worthwhile. A cleansing, so to speak, is at hand. I can see Nylander getting a 1 year "show us" after this lost year if Stanbo feels his head and heart is overall is right, for a 23 y/o., $750K-1M slot. Assuming the f/o remains the same, of course. I have to think that is at least half the issue with Nylander so far - whether it's being aggressive to play every shift, every game, or if he gets himself psyched out after a bad shift and is not ready for the next one. Because if he worked those attributes every night, with average skill, he's at minimum the Drake. Given the $1M for 1 year signing of Soderberg, I am guessing 50-50 that that was the last counter offer by Soderberg's agent and Stan grabbed it as soon as news of Dach hit (quite a drop from Carl's $4.75M the last few years, I believe; COVID effect, he's now stuck battling rookies/ELCs for that salary slot at his age). And if that is partially-accurate, I'm guessing that counter was 50-50 being used by Stan to squeeze Strome's agent on a new contract for Strome - god I hope it was. Leverage. In short, Soderberg seems a solid signing - but odd if you are in a TRUE rebuild (to me, a "Michael Handzus" like signing with value as a trade deadline trade addition by another team). If the Hawks are in a true rebuild, Dylan is elsewhere this upcoming season - seems a good kid, but not a lasting foundational piece here. 3C with skill on a good team. And if Carl does well, he is traded before the deadline for a pick. IMHO. |
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