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Post by BigT on Dec 27, 2020 6:05:01 GMT -6
So a question regarding Dach's ELC.....if he misses the entire season does that delay the 2nd year on his ELC? And if so, what if he plays even 1 game this coming season? How does that affect ELC? His contract has already kicked in. Nothing can be done now. I have no problem with Dach playing in the WJC, it just should’ve been last year!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 27, 2020 9:50:33 GMT -6
This could be the year that the Hawks could bottom right out. Top sniper Nylander is out. That’s gonna hurt the AHL. Now with Dach out. Is this still a “turn to the youth” year? Signing Soderberg is a great signing if you’re going for it. He’s got some game. Wouldn’t that take away from a kid getting a look? This year already looks terrible for the Hawks already!!! Big T - I'm on your page as far as development. This year is better be unsettling. And an opportunity to make certain what the Hawks have in the contractual-pipeline is worthwhile. A cleansing, so to speak, is at hand. I can see Nylander getting a 1 year "show us" after this lost year if Stanbo feels his head and heart is overall is right, for a 23 y/o., $750K-1M slot. Assuming the f/o remains the same, of course. I have to think that is at least half the issue with Nylander so far - whether it's being aggressive to play every shift, every game, or if he gets himself psyched out after a bad shift and is not ready for the next one. Because if he worked those attributes every night, with average skill, he's at minimum the Drake. Given the $1M for 1 year signing of Soderberg, I am guessing 50-50 that that was the last counter offer by Soderberg's agent and Stan grabbed it as soon as news of Dach hit (quite a drop from Carl's $4.75M the last few years, I believe; COVID effect, he's now stuck battling rookies/ELCs for that salary slot at his age). And if that is partially-accurate, I'm guessing that counter was 50-50 being used by Stan to squeeze Strome's agent on a new contract for Strome - god I hope it was. Leverage. In short, Soderberg seems a solid signing - but odd if you are in a TRUE rebuild (to me, a "Michael Handzus" like signing with value as a trade deadline trade addition by another team). If the Hawks are in a true rebuild, Dylan is elsewhere this upcoming season - seems a good kid, but not a lasting foundational piece here. 3C with skill on a good team. And if Carl does well, he is traded before the deadline for a pick. IMHO. You really don't think a 23yro Strome could be part of a team's rebuild? What this team HAS to do this year is figure out if Strome is the player from two years ago or from last year IMO. Sign him on a one year,put him between D-Cat and Kane for the majority of the season and know for sure or move him with zero center depth? I didn't see 'fluke' when I saw Strome and D-Cat gel to the point of career highs playing together the year before last and they did that w/o Kane and with Perlini......I think you'd re-explore that before you throw it away. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 27, 2020 11:00:07 GMT -6
This Dach injury is going to insure that this will be another pitiful year of Hawk hockey. It isn't that I think he is such a great scorer, as he isn't so far, but he is better than anyone that will get to replace him. Just another step in the long collapse of this franchise. Adios, Hawks, it was fun while it lasted.
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Post by BigT on Dec 27, 2020 15:20:13 GMT -6
This Dach injury is going to insure that this will be another pitiful year of Hawk hockey. It isn't that I think he is such a great scorer, as he isn't so far, but he is better than anyone that will get to replace him. Just another step in the long collapse of this franchise. Adios, Hawks, it was fun while it lasted. My biggest fear is that they just miss the playoffs or get in and get beat out 4-1. Then the draft picks are anywhere from 16-22 and they just won’t rebuild a team like that. Unfortunately, without much youth and aging stars, it’s just gonna be more of the last few years for the next decade!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 16:23:11 GMT -6
So a question regarding Dach's ELC.....if he misses the entire season does that delay the 2nd year on his ELC? And if so, what if he plays even 1 game this coming season? How does that affect ELC? His contract has already kicked in. Nothing can be done now. I have no problem with Dach playing in the WJC, it just should’ve been last year!!! That is my big issue. He is no longer an amateur and should not have been allowed to play in an amateur tournament, period. I don't care about the "C" and helping develop leadership. He is being paid millions by the Chicago Blackhawks not by Team Canada. Sometimes we don't all get what we want in life. IMHO, it was selfish of him to even ask to go and stupid of Stan to allow it. Again, there's a good reason other teams didn't let similarly-aged young players go play. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 27, 2020 19:14:12 GMT -6
His contract has already kicked in. Nothing can be done now. I have no problem with Dach playing in the WJC, it just should’ve been last year!!! That is my big issue. He is no longer an amateur and should not have been allowed to play in an amateur tournament, period. I don't care about the "C" and helping develop leadership. He is being paid millions by the Chicago Blackhawks not by Team Canada. Sometimes we don't all get what we want in life. IMHO, it was selfish of him to even ask to go and stupid of Stan to allow it. Again, there's a good reason other teams didn't let similarly-aged young players go play. When you say "amateur" are you meaning non-payed player? Since all 31 teams have at least one player in the tourney. All under contract and being paid ELC contracts whether at the NHL, AHL, WHL, QMJHL, etc. Only ones not are the ones going to college, drafted but not yet signed to contracts. So yes we don't like it, but to say it's all on SB is to ignore that all the GM's do this and have for years. www.nhl.com/news/2021-world-junior-championship-rosters/c-319801144 |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 27, 2020 20:13:59 GMT -6
That is my big issue. He is no longer an amateur and should not have been allowed to play in an amateur tournament, period. I don't care about the "C" and helping develop leadership. He is being paid millions by the Chicago Blackhawks not by Team Canada. Sometimes we don't all get what we want in life. IMHO, it was selfish of him to even ask to go and stupid of Stan to allow it. Again, there's a good reason other teams didn't let similarly-aged young players go play. So yes we don't like it, but to say it's all on SB is to ignore that all the GM's do this and have for years. it's not all on bowman. don't forget dach's selfishness comes into play here too. : ) |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 27, 2020 21:29:26 GMT -6
His contract has already kicked in. Nothing can be done now. I have no problem with Dach playing in the WJC, it just should’ve been last year!!! That is my big issue. He is no longer an amateur and should not have been allowed to play in an amateur tournament, period. I don't care about the "C" and helping develop leadership. He is being paid millions by the Chicago Blackhawks not by Team Canada. Sometimes we don't all get what we want in life. IMHO, it was selfish of him to even ask to go and stupid of Stan to allow it. Again, there's a good reason other teams didn't let similarly-aged young players go play. Merp: You got my vote for all the reasons you stated. But, how do you feel about NHL players being allowed to participate in the Olympics? Frankly, I don't see much difference as the WJC is like the Olympics for kiddies. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 27, 2020 21:31:57 GMT -6
That is my big issue. He is no longer an amateur and should not have been allowed to play in an amateur tournament, period. I don't care about the "C" and helping develop leadership. He is being paid millions by the Chicago Blackhawks not by Team Canada. Sometimes we don't all get what we want in life. IMHO, it was selfish of him to even ask to go and stupid of Stan to allow it. Again, there's a good reason other teams didn't let similarly-aged young players go play. When you say "amateur" are you meaning non-payed player? Since all 31 teams have at least one player in the tourney. All under contract and being paid ELC contracts whether at the NHL, AHL, WHL, QMJHL, etc. Only ones not are the ones going to college, drafted but not yet signed to contracts. So yes we don't like it, but to say it's all on SB is to ignore that all the GM's do this and have for years. www.nhl.com/news/2021-world-junior-championship-rosters/c-319801144Maybe it should only be for players who are not under contract somewhere. I am not saying that should be the WJC rule, but maybe smart GMs should adopt it. On the other hand, I would guess that not many young players in the WJC have suffered the gruesome injury that Dach suffered. From the looks of that photo, he may never again be the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 23:05:09 GMT -6
That is my big issue. He is no longer an amateur and should not have been allowed to play in an amateur tournament, period. I don't care about the "C" and helping develop leadership. He is being paid millions by the Chicago Blackhawks not by Team Canada. Sometimes we don't all get what we want in life. IMHO, it was selfish of him to even ask to go and stupid of Stan to allow it. Again, there's a good reason other teams didn't let similarly-aged young players go play. Merp: You got my vote for all the reasons you stated. But, how do you feel about NHL players being allowed to participate in the Olympics? Frankly, I don't see much difference as the WJC is like the Olympics for kiddies. I was never a huge fan of it for the same reasons. Yes, I'll admit in hindsight, it was cool seeing players play together on the biggest international stage and Canada vs USA final in 2010 was pretty amazing. But the entire time it was going on I was always concerned about injuries the same as this. WHAT IF... Kane or Keith or Toews in 2010 or 2014 suffered a significant injury that put them out for the rest of the season and playoffs and totally altered their careers? No 2010 Cup, maybe no 2015 Cup. Hell, if they don't win it in 2010 who knows if they win any after because the mentality and everything would have been different. Now, the one other caveat I'll throw in there is this: the Blackhawks players who went to play in the Olympics earned the right to do so by what they had already done for the franchise. Especially in 2014 after already winning 2 Cups. What has Dach done to earn that? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 23:09:05 GMT -6
That is my big issue. He is no longer an amateur and should not have been allowed to play in an amateur tournament, period. I don't care about the "C" and helping develop leadership. He is being paid millions by the Chicago Blackhawks not by Team Canada. Sometimes we don't all get what we want in life. IMHO, it was selfish of him to even ask to go and stupid of Stan to allow it. Again, there's a good reason other teams didn't let similarly-aged young players go play. When you say "amateur" are you meaning non-payed player? Since all 31 teams have at least one player in the tourney. All under contract and being paid ELC contracts whether at the NHL, AHL, WHL, QMJHL, etc. Only ones not are the ones going to college, drafted but not yet signed to contracts. So yes we don't like it, but to say it's all on SB is to ignore that all the GM's do this and have for years. www.nhl.com/news/2021-world-junior-championship-rosters/c-319801144sorry I am throwing the term amateur around too loosely. In my view it's any player who isn't under contract with a NHL team yet or any player who has not played at least a significant part of a rookie season at the NHL level Basically guys who are not tied to a franchise directly or who obviously need experience/games under their belt to get more seasoning for the NHL. Dach didn't need that. I'm not saying he's Ovechkin-level rookie year good but clearly he was already plenty capable of playing in the NHL. Everything I have read the last few days says they wanted him to go to get "experience" wearing the "C" and gain "leadership qualities"... either you're a leader or you're not and either you're going to one day wear the C or you're not... they aren't going to interview a bunch of guys on this Canadian team and see if Dach was a good captain and deserves the C down the road nor does how he leads a group of teenagers have any bearing on how he'll one day lead a group of grown men whenever Toews is done here. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 27, 2020 23:34:21 GMT -6
Merp: You got my vote for all the reasons you stated. But, how do you feel about NHL players being allowed to participate in the Olympics? Frankly, I don't see much difference as the WJC is like the Olympics for kiddies. What has Dach done to earn that? if dach hasn't "earned" it, why would anyone else on this list earn it? there's another thread here about dach missing last year's WJC. i was in the minority among posters here of being okay with the hawks keeping him in chicago. this year i was all for him going. he would have come back to chicago in prime game shape and i was thinking it might help jump start him to a fast start. and he wouldn't have missed a game. to each their own, but i have to say it bugs me when you call someone selfish for wanting to represent their country in any sport. but it's your opinion and you're most welcome to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 0:30:43 GMT -6
^of that list none except Kakko and Hughes have logged enough NHL time in my opinion and the rangers didn't let kakko go and devils didn't let Hughes go
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 28, 2020 0:39:34 GMT -6
^of that list none except Kakko and Hughes have logged enough NHL time in my opinion and the rangers didn't let kakko go and devils didn't let Hughes go that list wasn't the best thing to use. in fact i shouldn't have bothered with it. it just happened to turn up as i was writing the post. the point i was trying to make that if dach didn't do anything to earn a trip to the WJC's, what did the rest of the players do to earn one? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 3:06:00 GMT -6
^of that list none except Kakko and Hughes have logged enough NHL time in my opinion and the rangers didn't let kakko go and devils didn't let Hughes go that list wasn't the best thing to use. in fact i shouldn't have bothered with it. it just happened to turn up as i was writing the post. the point i was trying to make that if dach didn't do anything to earn a trip to the WJC's, what did the rest of the players do to earn one? maybe I am not explaining myself well enough and for that I apologize if Dach had gone before signing with the Blackhawks I'd have no problem with that, he's a "free agent" if you will, so had he played last year that's cool I don't like him (or anyone frankly) playing after they have signed a lucrative professional contract and he's done nothing to earn the right to ask the Blackhawks to go play and to be allowed going to play. Neither has Kakko or Hughes during their time with the Rangers and Devils, and neither of them are in this tournament. my view is that once signed to a contract and being paid millions by your team you should not risk injury playing hockey elsewhere, or as the Olympics scenario was presented to me, if it's a foregone conclusion that dozens of players all around the league are going to go (warranting a multi-week stoppage mid-season) than ok, at least the players who went earned the right to go with what they had previously accomplished with said team looking at things now, one other difference with the Olympics would be if the top players from every team are going the risk of injury is the same for all contending teams. In this specific case, unless I am way off base, Dach was the highest profile player in this tournament with previous NHL experience so the Blackhawks had a whole lot to lose and not all that much to gain here |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 28, 2020 8:56:27 GMT -6
that list wasn't the best thing to use. in fact i shouldn't have bothered with it. it just happened to turn up as i was writing the post. the point i was trying to make that if dach didn't do anything to earn a trip to the WJC's, what did the rest of the players do to earn one? maybe I am not explaining myself well enough and for that I apologize if Dach had gone before signing with the Blackhawks I'd have no problem with that, he's a "free agent" if you will, so had he played last year that's cool I don't like him (or anyone frankly) playing after they have signed a lucrative professional contract and he's done nothing to earn the right to ask the Blackhawks to go play and to be allowed going to play.
Neither has Kakko or Hughes during their time with the Rangers and Devils, and neither of them are in this tournament. my view is that once signed to a contract and being paid millions by your team you should not risk injury playing hockey elsewhere, or as the Olympics scenario was presented to me, if it's a foregone conclusion that dozens of players all around the league are going to go (warranting a multi-week stoppage mid-season) than ok, at least the players who went earned the right to go with what they had previously accomplished with said team looking at things now, one other difference with the Olympics would be if the top players from every team are going the risk of injury is the same for all contending teams. In this specific case, unless I am way off base, Dach was the highest profile player in this tournament with previous NHL experience so the Blackhawks had a whole lot to lose and not all that much to gain here to the bolded, this isn't the nhl in the 1940's. "nothing to earn the right to ask to play in the WJCs"? i just have to disagree. dach won't learn anything skill wise but you don't think captaining one of the top teams in the tournament won't reap rewards down the road? toews might have something to say about that. you can't bubble wrap these guys. you can't play kane 12 minutes a game, plugging him in just when you need him. what about the lesser lights hagel and kurashev among others playing in europe in the off season? selfish? it was a fckn shame kirby busted his wrist but you have to let talent like do their thing. heaps of great nhlers played in the WJCs. it's far from being a "meaningless" tournament. you won't change my mind and i likely won't change yours so we may as well leave it there. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 28, 2020 9:29:52 GMT -6
that list wasn't the best thing to use. in fact i shouldn't have bothered with it. it just happened to turn up as i was writing the post. the point i was trying to make that if dach didn't do anything to earn a trip to the WJC's, what did the rest of the players do to earn one? maybe I am not explaining myself well enough and for that I apologize if Dach had gone before signing with the Blackhawks I'd have no problem with that, he's a "free agent" if you will, so had he played last year that's cool I don't like him (or anyone frankly) playing after they have signed a lucrative professional contract and he's done nothing to earn the right to ask the Blackhawks to go play and to be allowed going to play. Neither has Kakko or Hughes during their time with the Rangers and Devils, and neither of them are in this tournament. my view is that once signed to a contract and being paid millions by your team you should not risk injury playing hockey elsewhere, or as the Olympics scenario was presented to me, if it's a foregone conclusion that dozens of players all around the league are going to go (warranting a multi-week stoppage mid-season) than ok, at least the players who went earned the right to go with what they had previously accomplished with said team looking at things now, one other difference with the Olympics would be if the top players from every team are going the risk of injury is the same for all contending teams. In this specific case, unless I am way off base, Dach was the highest profile player in this tournament with previous NHL experience so the Blackhawks had a whole lot to lose and not all that much to gain here I just can't bring myself to blame the GM or the player merp but I think we all share your frustration. I might feel different if Dach got hurt goin' for a big hit or in a fight but there're few big hits and no fights in the WJ's to worry about these days. I will mention some surprise in the IIHF allowing a player who's three weeks from 20,big bodied,played a full year in the NHL and clearly belonged in the NHL to play against younger and much lesser experienced players. A nearly full season of NHL competition,NHL physical training,NHL coaching and NHL level nutrition(thanks Mrs Seabs) is a huge advantage IMO.........Canada's already winnin' games 16-1. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Dec 28, 2020 9:45:22 GMT -6
You really don't think a 23yro Strome could be part of a team's rebuild? What this team HAS to do this year is figure out if Strome is the player from two years ago or from last year IMO. Sign him on a one year,put him between D-Cat and Kane for the majority of the season and know for sure or move him with zero center depth? I didn't see 'fluke' when I saw Strome and D-Cat gel to the point of career highs playing together the year before last and they did that w/o Kane and with Perlini......I think you'd re-explore that before you throw it away. I'm not saying that Strome cannot be part of a rebuild. I see him as topping out though at being Artem Anisimov: solid, but not a foundational piece, but someone who can play and look good with Kane on the ice. Not worth D-Cat money on this contract - hence my point about hoping that Stan was using Soderberg as leverage with Strome's agent to agree to terms as favorable to the club and its salary cap position as possible. Then Dach goes down, Soderberg is signed quickly, now Strome has a little more leverage on terms. Don't throw the kid away, unless he holds out for D-Cat $ which I do not think he will in a COVID affected salary cap era. But I am not overall convinced that long term Strome exceeds what could be expected of AA, or even Michal Handzus, in their best years. To me, 2LC at best, 3LC probably better suited. I don't think he is a creator on his own and, therefore, fits on a line with Kane and Debrincat who can. Foot speed, to me, and sub-50% FO, are the obvious shortcomings. The other point was about the outlook on a rebuild - you don't sign Soderberg IMHO unless you want to win a few more games with Dach and Strome also on the roster, unless there is some added value (and I have no idea if there is) in Soderberg also being a mentor at the center position, beyond what Toews brings. Soderberg becomes a necessity without Dach, but if we are truly rebuilding, again - we probably win a few more games with Soderberg, lower draft positioning, etc. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 28, 2020 9:53:04 GMT -6
Still no definitive word on Dach's injury? I read something about there might be a break in the arm too - anyone see anything about that? It's worrisome we haven't heard anything more - makes me worry it's worse than originally thought when surgery sounded like only a possibility rather than certain.
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 28, 2020 10:33:10 GMT -6
Merp: You got my vote for all the reasons you stated. But, how do you feel about NHL players being allowed to participate in the Olympics? Frankly, I don't see much difference as the WJC is like the Olympics for kiddies. I was never a huge fan of it for the same reasons. Yes, I'll admit in hindsight, it was cool seeing players play together on the biggest international stage and Canada vs USA final in 2010 was pretty amazing. But the entire time it was going on I was always concerned about injuries the same as this. WHAT IF... Kane or Keith or Toews in 2010 or 2014 suffered a significant injury that put them out for the rest of the season and playoffs and totally altered their careers? No 2010 Cup, maybe no 2015 Cup. Hell, if they don't win it in 2010 who knows if they win any after because the mentality and everything would have been different. Now, the one other caveat I'll throw in there is this: the Blackhawks players who went to play in the Olympics earned the right to do so by what they had already done for the franchise. Especially in 2014 after already winning 2 Cups. What has Dach done to earn that? I am not sure that "earning it" should be the determinant of whether someone gets to play outside the NHL games. The risk of injury is there whether or not one has "earned it". It seems to me that GMs/teams simply have to come to grips with answering the question of whether it is worth it to allow their players to play outside the confines of NHL play, given the risk of injury and harm to the NHL team for which they play. Even though, I would guess that serious injuries don't occur very often in the WJC/Olympics, the risk is still there. Maybe the Hawks are just cursed after 2015. It seemed unlikely that they would have put together a team to challenge for the Cup in the next 10 years anyway, but, now it sure ain't gonna happen. Dach ain't no superstar, but the Hawks needed him to have any hope of putting it together this year. Now, just another wasted year. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 28, 2020 11:48:29 GMT -6
You really don't think a 23yro Strome could be part of a team's rebuild? What this team HAS to do this year is figure out if Strome is the player from two years ago or from last year IMO. Sign him on a one year,put him between D-Cat and Kane for the majority of the season and know for sure or move him with zero center depth? I didn't see 'fluke' when I saw Strome and D-Cat gel to the point of career highs playing together the year before last and they did that w/o Kane and with Perlini......I think you'd re-explore that before you throw it away. I'm not saying that Strome cannot be part of a rebuild. I see him as topping out though at being Artem Anisimov: solid, but not a foundational piece, but someone who can play and look good with Kane on the ice. Not worth D-Cat money on this contract - hence my point about hoping that Stan was using Soderberg as leverage with Strome's agent to agree to terms as favorable to the club and its salary cap position as possible. Then Dach goes down, Soderberg is signed quickly, now Strome has a little more leverage on terms. Don't throw the kid away, unless he holds out for D-Cat $ which I do not think he will in a COVID affected salary cap era. But I am not overall convinced that long term Strome exceeds what could be expected of AA, or even Michal Handzus, in their best years. To me, 2LC at best, 3LC probably better suited. I don't think he is a creator on his own and, therefore, fits on a line with Kane and Debrincat who can. Foot speed, to me, and sub-50% FO, are the obvious shortcomings. The other point was about the outlook on a rebuild - you don't sign Soderberg IMHO unless you want to win a few more games with Dach and Strome also on the roster, unless there is some added value (and I have no idea if there is) in Soderberg also being a mentor at the center position, beyond what Toews brings. Soderberg becomes a necessity without Dach, but if we are truly rebuilding, again - we probably win a few more games with Soderberg, lower draft positioning, etc. All valid concerns after a year of regression but the chemistry Strome and D-Cat had together when they put up career numbers had nothing to do with Kane. He staked with Toews and the player formerly known as Dylan Sikura that year.......Strome and D-cat had Perlini as a linemate. Even if Strome does need Kane and D-Cat as linemates,why not if it gets Strome goin'.......might get D-Cat goin' too. I dunno who's playing hardball but one side has to or the payer's signed by now. I can't see Strom's camp lookin' for big money with so many vets signing cheap,hell......even Mike Hoffman had to do a PTO with the Blues. Soderberg will help the team but I didn't think being competitive was the mission this year.....I'm easily confused though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 11:56:37 GMT -6
I'm not saying that Strome cannot be part of a rebuild. I see him as topping out though at being Artem Anisimov: solid, but not a foundational piece, but someone who can play and look good with Kane on the ice. Not worth D-Cat money on this contract - hence my point about hoping that Stan was using Soderberg as leverage with Strome's agent to agree to terms as favorable to the club and its salary cap position as possible. Then Dach goes down, Soderberg is signed quickly, now Strome has a little more leverage on terms. Don't throw the kid away, unless he holds out for D-Cat $ which I do not think he will in a COVID affected salary cap era. But I am not overall convinced that long term Strome exceeds what could be expected of AA, or even Michal Handzus, in their best years. To me, 2LC at best, 3LC probably better suited. I don't think he is a creator on his own and, therefore, fits on a line with Kane and Debrincat who can. Foot speed, to me, and sub-50% FO, are the obvious shortcomings. The other point was about the outlook on a rebuild - you don't sign Soderberg IMHO unless you want to win a few more games with Dach and Strome also on the roster, unless there is some added value (and I have no idea if there is) in Soderberg also being a mentor at the center position, beyond what Toews brings. Soderberg becomes a necessity without Dach, but if we are truly rebuilding, again - we probably win a few more games with Soderberg, lower draft positioning, etc. All valid concerns after a year of regression but the chemistry Strome and D-Cat had together when they put up career numbers had nothing to do with Kane. He staked with Toews and the player formerly known as Dylan Sikura that year.......Strome and D-cat had Perlini as a linemate. Even if Strome does need Kane and D-Cat as linemates,why not if it gets Strome goin'.......might get D-Cat goin' too. I dunno who's playing hardball but one side has to or the payer's signed by now. I can't see Strom's camp lookin' for big money with so many vets signing cheap,hell......even Mike Hoffman had to do a PTO with the Blues. Soderberg will help the team but I didn't think being competitive was the mission this year..... I'm easily confused though.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 12:33:16 GMT -6
Still no definitive word on Dach's injury? I read something about there might be a break in the arm too - anyone see anything about that? It's worrisome we haven't heard anything more - makes me worry it's worse than originally thought when surgery sounded like only a possibility rather than certain. I also heard there's a break in the arm and ligament damage in the wrist but it's nothing I am willing to say is 100% confirmed. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Dec 28, 2020 13:25:16 GMT -6
Still no definitive word on Dach's injury? I read something about there might be a break in the arm too - anyone see anything about that? It's worrisome we haven't heard anything more - makes me worry it's worse than originally thought when surgery sounded like only a possibility rather than certain. I also heard there's a break in the arm and ligament damage in the wrist but it's nothing I am willing to say is 100% confirmed. They reset the wrist at the hospital before he gets released, scheduled to be examined by Hawks' docs following 12/24/2020 (https://www.nhl.com/news/blackhawks-kirby-dach-injured-in-world-juniors/c-319883518). Good timing vis-a-vis a holiday - Boxer Day.  Hoping the delay is only due to swelling keeping a full immediate description of injury/treatment and not a prelude to announcement later this week of successful surgery to insert screw(s) and/or reattach ligaments. Either way...(groan). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 15:42:56 GMT -6
I also heard there's a break in the arm and ligament damage in the wrist but it's nothing I am willing to say is 100% confirmed. They reset the wrist at the hospital before he gets released, scheduled to be examined by Hawks' docs following 12/24/2020 (https://www.nhl.com/news/blackhawks-kirby-dach-injured-in-world-juniors/c-319883518). Good timing vis-a-vis a holiday - Boxer Day. Hoping the delay is only due to swelling keeping a full immediate description of injury/treatment and not a prelude to announcement later this week of successful surgery to insert screw(s) and/or reattach ligaments. Either way...(groan). Thanks for the update. Watch them be very secretive and quiet about it and just say "surgery successful" and "out indefinitely" LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 17:16:15 GMT -6
4-5 months, not your average broken wrist
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 17:19:37 GMT -6
4-5 months, not your average broken wrist So year 2 of ELC wasted. Maybe Bowman will consider this a blessing when Dach's next contract is due to save cap space |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 17:24:32 GMT -6
^ LOL Bowman will sign him to a max extension with a NMC, you know this
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Post by gigecj on Dec 28, 2020 17:27:54 GMT -6
I broke my wrist when I was nineteen. It was during a spar with my roommate at the time as we were practicing our Tae Kwon Do. This guy was 6ft7in. I received his kick at my chest and fell violently backward. I tried to break my fall with my right hand (I'm a righty). The knuckles of that hand touched my arm. The wrist swelled to at least five times its diameter. Stupidly, I thought myself indestructible and without need for a physician.
While I couldn't do certain things that really needed a good wrist, I think it was "usable" after about a month.
I would find out a year later when I had to get x-rays on that arm after a bicycle collision that that wrist had been severely shattered and appeared pieced together with cement.
Still, it's hard to believe that if I had gone to the doctor when I needed to that it would have taken 4-5 months.
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Post by BigT on Dec 28, 2020 17:28:29 GMT -6
4-5 months, not your average broken wrist So year 2 of ELC wasted. Maybe Bowman will consider this a blessing when Dach's next contract is due to save cap space Not a fan to hear that. Dach’s ELC will be a total waste, and we will get no cap savings for this kid!!! |
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