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Post by BigT on Jan 14, 2020 9:34:30 GMT -6
pretty good term for a guy whose 32. not far off a point a game for his career. 908 points in 934 reg. season games, all with the caps. This is good news for the rest of the league. Too many guys would want a 6-8 year deal there with a NMC. I think that is a reasonable contract for a guy that’s still playing at a high level. He can retire at any time during it and it won’t affect the cap. I would like to see more guys take a fair contract. Ya he’ll be 37 when it’s done and no where near the player he was and still cranking in a 9.2 million salary. I’m sure at that point the caps will be just about ready to rebuild and can absorb his and Ovies salaries while they groom in some kids!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jan 14, 2020 9:39:50 GMT -6
Bob you know I like my skilled hockey, I argue with people I coach with over that too. But I don’t mind what Tkachuk did and I sure as hell don’t mind what Kassian did. At the pro level it’s a different beast. It’s a tough sport, and what Kassian did wasn’t really hockey, but it was a necessary evil that needed to happen. I’m actually glad that Kassian said he’d do it again. Cuz you and I both know damn well Tkachuk will do it again. I truly think Tkachuk is a headhunter and plays very very wreckless. If someone hit him like that, you can bet that he’d be the first to say they were dirty. My good friends cousin is on the Flames. I ask him how it is to deal with a guy like that, and he just says you love him on your team, but you’d seriously think of jail time if he was on the other team. It’s gotta be hard to stick up for a teammate like that, and we just seen that even the linesman didn’t even offer much help to Tkachuk. But let’s hope that the league starts coming down on the “aggressive perfector”. If he hit Toews or Kane or Dcat like that, I’d expect a huge response, but Stans guys are more of passengers these days!!! As accustomed as I am to watching the Hawks get plastered,I was still disappointed to see Dach's linemates skate away after Tkachuk's late hit on the 18yro. As much as I like and complement Dach,I was a bit disappointed in him there too...….18 or not. I didn't have a chance to see much of Dach's junior play but I'd bet he woulda took exception to something like that in the WHL or at least I hope he did. With Shaw's injury,Gilbert's benching and Smith's lack of interest in the physical game he used to play,we're once again soft as ever. Possibly by design! I agree, we’re the ONLY team in the league that does this. Any other team that has rookies will have a protector there. Maybe not like the old days, but a guy like Gilbert is just fine sticking up for an 18 year old. I thought someone for sure would of stepped in and at least got in his face. But they basically let Tkachuk walk off only to do it again!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 14, 2020 9:56:20 GMT -6
As accustomed as I am to watching the Hawks get plastered,I was still disappointed to see Dach's linemates skate away after Tkachuk's late hit on the 18yro. As much as I like and complement Dach,I was a bit disappointed in him there too...….18 or not. I didn't have a chance to see much of Dach's junior play but I'd bet he woulda took exception to something like that in the WHL or at least I hope he did. With Shaw's injury,Gilbert's benching and Smith's lack of interest in the physical game he used to play,we're once again soft as ever. Possibly by design! I agree, we’re the ONLY team in the league that does this. Any other team that has rookies will have a protector there. Maybe not like the old days, but a guy like Gilbert is just fine sticking up for an 18 year old. I thought someone for sure would of stepped in and at least got in his face. But they basically let Tkachuk walk off only to do it again!!! Can anyone honestly say they'd be surprised to see Gilbert included in a deal soon,I'm not sure the Org liked what Gilbert was cookin'! IMO,Gilbert came in and played well,played physical and was quick to stick up for anyone and everyone,he's also made no more mistakes than the rest of the D-men yet he's been the odd man out for SOME reason. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 14, 2020 11:31:06 GMT -6
I agree, we’re the ONLY team in the league that does this. Any other team that has rookies will have a protector there. Maybe not like the old days, but a guy like Gilbert is just fine sticking up for an 18 year old. I thought someone for sure would of stepped in and at least got in his face. But they basically let Tkachuk walk off only to do it again!!! Can anyone honestly say they'd be surprised to see Gilbert included in a deal soon,I'm not sure the Org liked what Gilbert was cookin'! IMO,Gilbert came in and played well,played physical and was quick to stick up for anyone and everyone,he's also made no more mistakes than the rest of the D-men yet he's been the odd man out for SOME reason. Let's hope they're showcasing Coco Puffs. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 14, 2020 11:40:43 GMT -6
Can anyone honestly say they'd be surprised to see Gilbert included in a deal soon,I'm not sure the Org liked what Gilbert was cookin'! IMO,Gilbert came in and played well,played physical and was quick to stick up for anyone and everyone,he's also made no more mistakes than the rest of the D-men yet he's been the odd man out for SOME reason. Let's hope they're showcasing Coco Puffs. I've been hopin' they were showcasing Gus the last few months but I believe that ship has sailed. With Boqvist taking his PP spot,I see almost no value in Gus what so ever at this point and I warned of this during the summer. |
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Post by Modry-Jazyk on Jan 14, 2020 18:55:27 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jan 14, 2020 18:57:38 GMT -6
I agree, we’re the ONLY team in the league that does this. Any other team that has rookies will have a protector there. Maybe not like the old days, but a guy like Gilbert is just fine sticking up for an 18 year old. I thought someone for sure would of stepped in and at least got in his face. But they basically let Tkachuk walk off only to do it again!!! Can anyone honestly say they'd be surprised to see Gilbert included in a deal soon,I'm not sure the Org liked what Gilbert was cookin'! IMO,Gilbert came in and played well,played physical and was quick to stick up for anyone and everyone,he's also made no more mistakes than the rest of the D-men yet he's been the odd man out for SOME reason. Honest question. Do you think the org is purposely trying to piss off the core guys to get them outta here? I only ask this cuz when Gilbo stuck up for his team mates, the core guys were the first to have their sticks over the boards tapping away, and I seen after the game when they won Toews gave him a high five and a hug. Kane was waiting in the tunnel and gave him a hug. It’s more than clear the core guys are happy with guys like that. Smith has been very physical in the past, and he’s been non existent in that dept. I believe it was one game we were physical, I believe it was the Avs game they came out hitting and won like 5-2 or 5-3. Then the org must of said enough of that, and back to being pussies. I think there’s something going on here that none of us know about, or at least our speculation is close!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 14, 2020 21:19:48 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jan 14, 2020 21:41:50 GMT -6
someone call Stan and tell him to sign Zach up this summer....
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Post by hsbob on Jan 15, 2020 0:18:47 GMT -6
Can anyone honestly say they'd be surprised to see Gilbert included in a deal soon,I'm not sure the Org liked what Gilbert was cookin'! IMO,Gilbert came in and played well,played physical and was quick to stick up for anyone and everyone,he's also made no more mistakes than the rest of the D-men yet he's been the odd man out for SOME reason. Honest question. Do you think the org is purposely trying to piss off the core guys to get them outta here? I only ask this cuz when Gilbo stuck up for his team mates, the core guys were the first to have their sticks over the boards tapping away, and I seen after the game when they won Toews gave him a high five and a hug. Kane was waiting in the tunnel and gave him a hug. It’s more than clear the core guys are happy with guys like that. Smith has been very physical in the past, and he’s been non existent in that dept. I believe it was one game we were physical, I believe it was the Avs game they came out hitting and won like 5-2 or 5-3. Then the org must of said enough of that, and back to being pussies. I think there’s something going on here that none of us know about, or at least our speculation is close!!! Can anyone point to a play or series of plays by Gilbert that led to this prolonged benching? This big physical kid was playing well by nearly all accounts and pumping some much needed energy and backbone into a team with little far too often. Is there any longer a doubt that Gilbert’s style of play is unwelcome here? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 15, 2020 0:26:51 GMT -6
crosby's back playing, still has to shake the rust off. (4 points on the night)
the penguins weren't exactly struggling in his absence.
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Post by vadarx on Jan 15, 2020 0:30:51 GMT -6
Honest question. Do you think the org is purposely trying to piss off the core guys to get them outta here? I only ask this cuz when Gilbo stuck up for his team mates, the core guys were the first to have their sticks over the boards tapping away, and I seen after the game when they won Toews gave him a high five and a hug. Kane was waiting in the tunnel and gave him a hug. It’s more than clear the core guys are happy with guys like that. Smith has been very physical in the past, and he’s been non existent in that dept. I believe it was one game we were physical, I believe it was the Avs game they came out hitting and won like 5-2 or 5-3. Then the org must of said enough of that, and back to being pussies. I think there’s something going on here that none of us know about, or at least our speculation is close!!! Can anyone point to a play or series of plays by Gilbert that led to this prolonged benching? This big physical kid was playing well by nearly all accounts and pumping some much needed energy and backbone into a team with little far too often. Is there any longer a doubt that Gilbert’s style of play is unwelcome here? I dunno if I can pick anything specific outta my brain at the moment, but he wasn't really playing well prior to the benching, imo. a lot of turnovers, maybe being too aggressive and taking himself out of plays at times, missing coverage in the d zone. I think the team doesn't mind him being aggressive but he has to be smarter about it. that being said, I think he should be playing. I think the main reason he hasn't is they won the last one , so JC sticks with the same lineup. kid has to play to get better and I feel like after the next loss he will draw back in. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 15, 2020 0:43:46 GMT -6
Can anyone point to a play or series of plays by Gilbert that led to this prolonged benching? This big physical kid was playing well by nearly all accounts and pumping some much needed energy and backbone into a team with little far too often. Is there any longer a doubt that Gilbert’s style of play is unwelcome here? I dunno if I can pick anything specific outta my brain at the moment, but he wasn't really playing well prior to the benching, imo. a lot of turnovers, maybe being too aggressive and taking himself out of plays at times, missing coverage in the d zone. I think the team doesn't mind him being aggressive but he has to be smarter about it. that being said, I think he should be playing. I think the main reason he hasn't is they won the last one , so JC sticks with the same lineup. kid has to play to get better and I feel like after the next loss he will draw back in. Do we see Gus turn the puck over and lose coverage every game too? Do we see Boqvist lose his guy too? We can agree to disagree but I feel playing physical is playing smart and I do think they mind the aggressiveness.....a lot. We lost back to back to the Flames and Preds but that didn’t get Gilbert back in the lineup. Do you think Koek is better? |
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Post by Tater on Jan 15, 2020 2:02:20 GMT -6
Honest question. Do you think the org is purposely trying to piss off the core guys to get them outta here? I only ask this cuz when Gilbo stuck up for his team mates, the core guys were the first to have their sticks over the boards tapping away, and I seen after the game when they won Toews gave him a high five and a hug. Kane was waiting in the tunnel and gave him a hug. It’s more than clear the core guys are happy with guys like that. Smith has been very physical in the past, and he’s been non existent in that dept. I believe it was one game we were physical, I believe it was the Avs game they came out hitting and won like 5-2 or 5-3. Then the org must of said enough of that, and back to being pussies. I think there’s something going on here that none of us know about, or at least our speculation is close!!! Exactly the same thoughts here. Hopefully with the back to back games he gets back in, but I see no reason he why he hasn't been in for the last few games. His hits and sticking up for teammates have sparked the team.
On that note, Sikura is almost invisible out there. Why not give Entwistle a shot instead?
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Post by vadarx on Jan 15, 2020 2:57:09 GMT -6
I dunno if I can pick anything specific outta my brain at the moment, but he wasn't really playing well prior to the benching, imo. a lot of turnovers, maybe being too aggressive and taking himself out of plays at times, missing coverage in the d zone. I think the team doesn't mind him being aggressive but he has to be smarter about it. that being said, I think he should be playing. I think the main reason he hasn't is they won the last one , so JC sticks with the same lineup. kid has to play to get better and I feel like after the next loss he will draw back in. Do we see Gus turn the puck over and lose coverage every game too? Do we see Boqvist lose his guy too? We can agree to disagree but I feel playing physical is playing smart and I do think they mind the aggressiveness.....a lot. We lost back to back to the Flames and Preds but that didn’t get Gilbert back in the lineup. Do you think Koek is better? good lord no. Koekkoek is definitely not better than him. as I said, I agree with you in that he should be playing. I also agree that others have made just as many mistakes. there are only so many spots and the top 5 are pretty much set at this point, however. unfortunately, it is his turn to warm a seat in the press box. he will get another go here soon, imo. hopefully he will grab the reins and ride off with that 6th odd-man spot. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 15, 2020 8:54:42 GMT -6
Do we see Gus turn the puck over and lose coverage every game too? Do we see Boqvist lose his guy too? We can agree to disagree but I feel playing physical is playing smart and I do think they mind the aggressiveness.....a lot. We lost back to back to the Flames and Preds but that didn’t get Gilbert back in the lineup. Do you think Koek is better? good lord no. Koekkoek is definitely not better than him. as I said, I agree with you in that he should be playing. I also agree that others have made just as many mistakes. there are only so many spots and the top 5 are pretty much set at this point, however. unfortunately, it is his turn to warm a seat in the press box. he will get another go here soon, imo. hopefully he will grab the reins and ride off with that 6th odd-man spot. The top five was set in stone a few weeks back too and Gilbert was easily in it at that point. I don't see Boq make fewer mistakes and he had an awful game a few back but stayed in. I could understand somewhat if Koek was a righty to even things out but that's not the case. Gilbert's better than a few guys that are in there and more physical than all of em put together and should be in the lineup every night for the good of the team in many ways. Gilbert isn't the 175lb slick skatin' prototype the team's been chasin' for years and don't be surprised to see him go in a trade because prospective partners might appreciate what he brings more than the choir boy crap we see here. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 15, 2020 9:50:26 GMT -6
Vegas fire Gallant, Deboer in.
I always thought the Knights are underachieving and theyre better than their current standings, but wow, I did not see this coming. Where's rinkrat?
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Post by vadarx on Jan 15, 2020 9:55:16 GMT -6
good lord no. Koekkoek is definitely not better than him. as I said, I agree with you in that he should be playing. I also agree that others have made just as many mistakes. there are only so many spots and the top 5 are pretty much set at this point, however. unfortunately, it is his turn to warm a seat in the press box. he will get another go here soon, imo. hopefully he will grab the reins and ride off with that 6th odd-man spot. The top five was set in stone a few weeks back too and Gilbert was easily in it at that point. I don't see Boq make fewer mistakes and he had an awful game a few back but stayed in. I could understand somewhat if Koek was a righty to even things out but that's not the case. Gilbert's better than a few guys that are in there and more physical than all of em put together and should be in the lineup every night for the good of the team in many ways. Gilbert isn't the 175lb slick skatin' prototype the team's been chasin' for years and don't be surprised to see him go in a trade because prospective partners might appreciate what he brings more than the choir boy crap we see here. sadly I won't be surprised if he is traded. the lack of response by the boys had been frustrating to say the least for the past few years. it is hard not to agree with ya that this lack of fightback is demanded from the brass, which just seems like a really silly thing, but not much would surprise me nowadays and that ain't something that would, as mind numbing as it would be.... |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 15, 2020 9:58:29 GMT -6
Vegas fire Gallant, Deboer in. I always thought the Knights are underachieving and theyre better than their current standings, but wow, I did not see this coming. Where's rinkrat? I knew he would wear out his welcome after a bit there. his coaching style only works for a couple seasons before the players get sick of it, ala Hitchcock and Yeo. at least that got to Finals once. let's see if this sparks a blows-like second half for em. I hope it does, cuz the blows need some more competition in the west right now and Vegas has a good team that is really underachieving. they should be winning that division handily right now, imo. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 15, 2020 10:05:44 GMT -6
Vegas fire Gallant, Deboer in. I always thought the Knights are underachieving and theyre better than their current standings, but wow, I did not see this coming. Where's rinkrat? WOW! The Knights are currently tied for the #1WC and a point out of the 3 spot in the Pacific and 3pts outta 1st with a better goal diff than the 2nd and 3rd place teams. Three of the game's best HC's have been bounced before the AS break. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 15, 2020 10:09:36 GMT -6
Vegas fire Gallant, Deboer in. I always thought the Knights are underachieving and theyre better than their current standings, but wow, I did not see this coming. Where's rinkrat? I knew he would wear out his welcome after a bit there. his coaching style only works for a couple seasons before the players get sick of it, ala Hitchcock and Yeo. at least that got to Finals once. let's see if this sparks a blows-like second half for em. I hope it does, cuz the blows need some more competition in the west right now and Vegas has a good team that is really underachieving. they should be winning that division handily right now, imo. ^ definitely agree.
they went to the cup with Smith - Karlsson - Marchessault as line 1. They still have those players now as line 2, and added a line of Pacioretty - Stastny - Stone, with basically the same roster.
crazy that theyre behind Arizona, Edmonton and Calgary!
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 15, 2020 10:11:15 GMT -6
Vegas fire Gallant, Deboer in. I always thought the Knights are underachieving and theyre better than their current standings, but wow, I did not see this coming. Where's rinkrat? WOW! The Knights are currently tied for the #1WC and a point out of the 3 spot in the Pacific and 3pts outta 1st with a better goal diff than the 2nd and 3rd place teams. Three of the game's best HC's have been bounced before the AS break. ^ youre forgetting JC is still with us  |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 15, 2020 10:12:35 GMT -6
The top five was set in stone a few weeks back too and Gilbert was easily in it at that point. I don't see Boq make fewer mistakes and he had an awful game a few back but stayed in. I could understand somewhat if Koek was a righty to even things out but that's not the case. Gilbert's better than a few guys that are in there and more physical than all of em put together and should be in the lineup every night for the good of the team in many ways. Gilbert isn't the 175lb slick skatin' prototype the team's been chasin' for years and don't be surprised to see him go in a trade because prospective partners might appreciate what he brings more than the choir boy crap we see here. sadly I won't be surprised if he is traded. the lack of response by the boys had been frustrating to say the least for the past few years. it is hard not to agree with ya that this lack of fightback is demanded from the brass, which just seems like a really silly thing, but not much would surprise me nowadays and that ain't something that would, as mind numbing as it would be.... We've had this debate for a few years now and I admit that I don't know what's demanded from the players but we all see the same things and those things continue. If they're not the wishes of the brass,than the brass is being disobeyed because I see as little backbone and pushback as ever with Gilbert and Shaw out. We also discussed the fact that SOME level of 'pack mentality' is necessary for success but I still see almost none. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 15, 2020 10:14:55 GMT -6
sadly I won't be surprised if he is traded. the lack of response by the boys had been frustrating to say the least for the past few years. it is hard not to agree with ya that this lack of fightback is demanded from the brass, which just seems like a really silly thing, but not much would surprise me nowadays and that ain't something that would, as mind numbing as it would be.... We've had this debate for a few years now and I admit that I don't know what's demanded from the players but we all see the same things and those things continue. If they're not the wishes of the brass,than the brass is being disobeyed because I see as little backbone and pushback as ever with Gilbert and Shaw out. We also discussed the fact that SOME level of 'pack mentality' is necessary for success but I still see almost none. speaking of pack mentality, Gallant is a coach that is great with instilling that to a team. Would love to have him here, granted I also did say I want Deboer here. I guess anyone is good as long as it's replacing JC
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 15, 2020 10:19:56 GMT -6
just read somewhere that Gallant is the coach for the Pacific Team's All Star. I guess he needs to be replaced now. maybe San Jose (or one of the California teams) hire him before the ASG, so he can still coach, lol
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Post by hsbob on Jan 15, 2020 10:24:24 GMT -6
We've had this debate for a few years now and I admit that I don't know what's demanded from the players but we all see the same things and those things continue. If they're not the wishes of the brass,than the brass is being disobeyed because I see as little backbone and pushback as ever with Gilbert and Shaw out. We also discussed the fact that SOME level of 'pack mentality' is necessary for success but I still see almost none. speaking of pack mentality, Gallant is a coach that is great with instilling that to a team. Would love to have him here, granted I also did say I want Deboer here. I guess anyone is good as long as it's replacing JC
I dunno about "anyone" squish but if we're talikin' Gallant or Laviolet I'm in because they're two of the best HC's in the league over the last several years. Of course decisions like this depend on whether the FO sees their team as a contender or a lottery team and I doubt they're sure either way. It appears the direction of the Chicago Blackhawks(is that the proper spelling v?LOL) will once again hinge on what the team does over the course of 10-15 games and that's a hell of a way to run things as far as I'm concerned! |
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 15, 2020 10:31:05 GMT -6
speaking of pack mentality, Gallant is a coach that is great with instilling that to a team. Would love to have him here, granted I also did say I want Deboer here. I guess anyone is good as long as it's replacing JC
I dunno about "anyone" squish but if we're talikin' Gallant or Laviolet I'm in because they're two of the best HC's in the league over the last several years. Of course decisions like this depend on whether the FO sees their team as a contender or a lottery team and I doubt they're sure either way. It appears the direction of the Chicago Blackhawks(is that the proper spelling v?LOL) will once again hinge on what the team does over the course of 10-15 games and that's a hell of a way to run things as far as I'm concerned! I'm done with JC, that's why I said anyone can replace him lol. you know what I mean. Gallant would be perfect with the "pack mentality" that you mentioned. He did it with Vegas and Panthers. He also likes his team to have a physical game, or at least some kind of push-back. Unfortunately, that's probably why he wont be signed here.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 15, 2020 18:28:00 GMT -6
Vegas fire Gallant, Deboer in. |
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Post by Modry-Jazyk on Jan 16, 2020 10:21:20 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 16, 2020 20:35:11 GMT -6
it's just a hockey stick, but this kid will treasure it the rest of his life.
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