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Post by hawkinmontreal on Oct 26, 2021 16:28:50 GMT -6
How is Stan possibly a better person than McD, both are guilty on all levels, they, as a tandem with others involved ruined one kids life. If Stan was possibly a good person as you described him, this sexual allegation should not have went on for 8 years and should have been taken care of immediately. All executive members are worth no more than the scum under my shoe. No one gets a pass on this. You can not tell me, that everyone involved did not know, Stan throwing McD under the bus is typically Blowman style. Has Bowman even made an apology for his wrong doings, his mistreatment of the whole situation, the embarrassment that he has caused for the Blackhawks organization, of course not he is a dog, good bye and good riddance to that guy. Same old HIM...letting your emotions getting the best of you. Hey, I never said Stan was an angel! I only said he's better than McD and that's not saying much! Reread. Hey GIG, I wouldn’t have any other way, in this situation my emotions will get the best of me. You are still claiming Stan is better than MCDo, but how, and why, Bowman is a piece of shit, know one is better in this situation, you can’t honestly believe that, both individuals are guilty as they deserve to be. |
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Post by number9 on Oct 26, 2021 16:31:52 GMT -6
It’s been quit sometime since I have been around these parts, I certainly want to celebrate the fact that Blowman is gone, but under the circumstances this is a very ugly situation, Rocky and Danny did the right thing today. Hopefully Stan never gets a GM job for the rest of his career, and as for Q and Chevaldayoff, both need to be hung out to dry as well, even if they were told to keep there mouth closed. All those involved need to be vanquished from the NHL, there is no good coming out of this. After all this lost time the Chicago Blackhawks organization finally got it right, the world has no place for people like Bowman and company, fuck him, hope he rots in hell. I hope he goes to the Blues |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Oct 26, 2021 16:37:34 GMT -6
It’s been quit sometime since I have been around these parts, I certainly want to celebrate the fact that Blowman is gone, but under the circumstances this is a very ugly situation, Rocky and Danny did the right thing today. Hopefully Stan never gets a GM job for the rest of his career, and as for Q and Chevaldayoff, both need to be hung out to dry as well, even if they were told to keep there mouth closed. All those involved need to be vanquished from the NHL, there is no good coming out of this. After all this lost time the Chicago Blackhawks organization finally got it right, the world has no place for people like Bowman and company, fuck him, hope he rots in hell. Good to see you again! The only thing I’ll say as to Chevy and Q. I could see them absolving themselves from it as management is to deal with it. And they were probably under the impression that was the case. Q was supposedly in a meeting with McD. Q probably didn’t care about the situation as he had a team to run. Also that McD said he was taking care of it. If Chevy and Q are to take a lot of the fall, then it won’t stop and Kane and Toews will take a lot of it too. As Mike pointed out. How did this escape ownership for 11 years? Plus if you watch the video they all but clear Bowman of all wrong doing, and say that Stan was in his first year and didn’t know any better. Something kinda stinks here. But at the end of the day Scambo is done!!! Hey T, hope your doing well, I agree with you something does stink here, Did Rocky and Danny choose to keep the Bowman name clean and try not tainting it with all the wrong doings that have occurred, and yea how did this escape ownership for all these years, or was pure pressure so intense that Rocky and Danny needed to come clean. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 26, 2021 16:41:37 GMT -6
Another thing that stinks horribly is the fact that not only did Aldick keep his job momentarily. He got his day with the Cup, got to go to Cup parties etc. He was at those parties with John Doe.
So Scambo as the leader of the team, was ok with this? I can understand the org putting of an investigation until the season was over, not saying it’s right, but if they did that and fired the guy, they’d at least look like they did they’re due diligence. A couple months is much much better than a gawd damn decade!!!
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Post by BigT on Oct 26, 2021 16:49:14 GMT -6
So as I heard earlier. Scambo steps down from the USA Olympic team. So as of now, he’s out of hockey and I think that’s a good thing!!!
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Post by number9 on Oct 26, 2021 16:54:36 GMT -6
I wonder if it's possible that Q and some of the players don't get into the HOF because of this
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Post by BigT on Oct 26, 2021 16:58:10 GMT -6
I wonder if it's possible that Q and some of the players don't get into the HOF because of this Well, we don’t know all of it yet. I still find it very concerning how EVERYONE got blamed except ownership and Scam Bowman. I don’t like that at all. Danny actually praised him. I would doubt that after a couple years they bring him back in some capacity. Seriously!!! |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Oct 26, 2021 16:58:50 GMT -6
This is a epic fail on all levels, to me, imagine if this was your child, who was paid to go away and it was not investigated. The organization let a predator loose, without stopping him from doing this to others in society. I am sorry if I am firing on all cylinders after all this time, but I can’t help but feel disappointed towards the organization, guys like Aldridge have no place in our world, the Hawks should feel ashamed for what has occurred, no apology or amount of money will change what that individual is going through and has went through.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Oct 26, 2021 17:37:35 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 26, 2021 18:07:50 GMT -6
So after this, who is the highest actual hockey mind remaining on the team? Tazer?  When's the last time there's been a player-coach in the NHL? JK P.S. I was only thinking about the coaching spot that might--hopefully--be available soon. GM? I don't think he's in the organization. At least until November 9th. It’s been quit sometime since I have been around these parts, I certainly want to celebrate the fact that Blowman is gone, but under the circumstances this is a very ugly situation, Rocky and Danny did the right thing today. Hopefully Stan never gets a GM job for the rest of his career, and as for Q and Chevaldayoff, both need to be hung out to dry as well, even if they were told to keep there mouth closed. All those involved need to be vanquished from the NHL, there is no good coming out of this. After all this lost time the Chicago Blackhawks organization finally got it right, the world has no place for people like Bowman and company, fuck him, hope he rots in hell. Good to see you again! The only thing I’ll say as to Chevy and Q. I could see them absolving themselves from it as management is to deal with it. And they were probably under the impression that was the case. Q was supposedly in a meeting with McD. Q probably didn’t care about the situation as he had a team to run. Also that McD said he was taking care of it. If Chevy and Q are to take a lot of the fall, then it won’t stop and Kane and Toews will take a lot of it too. As Mike pointed out. How did this escape ownership for 11 years? Plus if you watch the video they all but clear Bowman of all wrong doing, and say that Stan was in his first year and didn’t know any better. Something kinda stinks here. But at the end of the day Scambo is done!!! I think the stink should stick to them as well. They were in a position to do something, and they did nothing. They, Bowman, McD, et. al. should have this stuck to them their entire careers. I'm reading through this..it isn't pretty. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 26, 2021 18:23:17 GMT -6
There's only 3 Icehogs that would've been 20 during the Western Finals, Beach, Aliu, and Shawn Lalonde. I have a feeling Lalonde is John Doe, I remember him being a black ace. Beach might've been a black ace as well but I can't find who the 2010 aces were.
Shawn had the tools to be a good dman but he never got a chance then went overseas, that might've been why.
They shouldn't have said it was a 20yr old black ace, easy to deduce who it might've been.
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Oct 26, 2021 18:23:26 GMT -6
The bottom line of the report is a coach threatened a young player with career ruin and essentially raped him. When others in charge found out, they waited until the Cup was won, partied with the rapist, and wrote nice reviews for his work performance. When the party was over, they sent it to HR, who promptly mishandled it, and didn't call the police. Everyone else just forgot about it, so the rapist went to Michigan and raped a kid.
Fuck all of them: Q, Bowman, McDonough, Chevy, Torchetti, Havilland, Blunk, the psychologist, the HR lady, all of them.
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Post by vadarx on Oct 26, 2021 18:31:15 GMT -6
as to the why... what a terrible and disgusting situation this all is. true justice will likely never be done for the victims, but at least some steps in the right direction were taking today. that being said...
awoke early this morning to start packing for the big drive (today is day 1 of 4) and then spent the day driving (obviously). grabbed the phone and wiped the sleep out my eyes whilst reading the missive... a pep in my step for the rest of the day and not one incident of road rage... I've been wanting to get on here and read and comment for hours now. mostly to say this:
I understand the circumstances are terrible, but the news this am has brought me a day long bout of incredible joy knowing that that silver spoon suckin, coattail ridin, snake oil sellin, back stabbin, narcissistic, lying sack of human shit has FINALLY gotten him damn comeuppance! finally finally finally we are rid of this TURD of a person. he has fucked over so many people in the organization and today was his big day. no more cushy job cuz daddy was a HOF coach. no more chance at ruining the Olympics for team USA. no more running the team into the ground because he is smarter than everyone else..
he did his very bestest to remove anyone and everyone that could point the finger at him. he was thisclose to having full control, too. I'm sooooo happy this fucking smug prick finally got what he deserved. I hope he never ever has anything to do with hockey ever again (unless he goes to his alma mater, they can have him there).
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Oct 26, 2021 18:37:57 GMT -6
The bottom line of the report is a coach threatened a young player with career ruin and essentially raped him. When others in charge found out, they waited until the Cup was won, partied with the rapist, and wrote nice reviews for his work performance. When the party was over, they sent it to HR, who promptly mishandled it, and didn't call the police. Everyone else just forgot about it, so the rapist went to Michigan and raped a kid. Fuck all of them: Q, Bowman, McDonough, Chevy, Torchetti, Havilland, Blunk, the psychologist, the HR lady, all of them. I wouldn’t say they forgot, they swept it so far under the rug they never thought for a second it would make its way into the public eye. In most situations they always try to pay the victim a Lump sum of money and hope they go away and shut up. I imagine there are a lot more stories that have occurred through the years that have been swept under the rug by many organizations in all sports landscapes, I hope this becomes a eye opener and for those who possibly have gone through what JohnDoe is going through come forward. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 26, 2021 18:38:39 GMT -6
as to the why... what a terrible and disgusting situation this all is. true justice will likely never be done for the victims, but at least some steps in the right direction were taking today. that being said... awoke early this morning to start packing for the big drive (today is day 1 of 4) and then spent the day driving (obviously). grabbed the phone and wiped the sleep out my eyes whilst reading the missive... a pep in my step for the rest of the day and not one incident of road rage... I've been wanting to get on here and read and comment for hours now. mostly to say this: I understand the circumstances are terrible, but the news this am has brought me a day long bout of incredible joy knowing that that silver spoon suckin, coattail ridin, snake oil sellin, back stabbin, narcissistic, lying sack of human shit has FINALLY gotten him damn comeuppance! finally finally finally we are rid of this TURD of a person. he has fucked over so many people in the organization and today was his big day. no more cushy job cuz daddy was a HOF coach. no more chance at ruining the Olympics for team USA. no more running the team into the ground because he is smarter than everyone else.. he did his very bestest to remove anyone and everyone that could point the finger at him. he was thisclose to having full control, too. I'm sooooo happy this fucking smug prick finally got what he deserved. I hope he never ever has anything to do with hockey ever again (unless he goes to his alma mater, they can have him there). He did have full control already when McD was fired/reigned. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 26, 2021 18:40:02 GMT -6
The bottom line of the report is a coach threatened a young player with career ruin and essentially raped him. When others in charge found out, they waited until the Cup was won, partied with the rapist, and wrote nice reviews for his work performance. When the party was over, they sent it to HR, who promptly mishandled it, and didn't call the police. Everyone else just forgot about it, so the rapist went to Michigan and raped a kid. Fuck all of them: Q, Bowman, McDonough, Chevy, Torchetti, Havilland, Blunk, the psychologist, the HR lady, all of them. I wouldn’t say they forgot, they swept it so far under the rug they never thought for a second it would make its way into the public eye. In most situations they always try to pay the victim a Lump sum of money and hope they go away and shut up. I imagine there are a lot more stories that have occurred through the years that have been swept under the rug by many organizations in all sports landscapes, I hope this becomes a eye opener and for those who possibly have gone through what JohnDoe is going through come forward. It couldn't have been swept to far since 2013 the guy was sent to prison for 9 months in the Michigan case. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 26, 2021 18:50:49 GMT -6
One thing to keep in mind. When all of this happened, they were just allegations. Though serious, but still just allegations. I still feel it was managements duty and not any of the subordinates. Yes they were all grown men and should have done better. But none of this is here today I’d management did their job. I feel like Bowman is getting off easy here. Was McD that difficult to deal with? Was he not approachable? Then go higher. Shame one McD, Scambo, MacIssac and Blunk. All were the upper brass and didn’t do what was needed. At least 2 should a turned on McCub, and got something done. They should have suspended the perpetrator and called it an investigation until the Cup was done and all would have been well. It disgusts me that when one didn’t do his job, it all the sudden becomes someone else’s problem. Disgusting.
You can tell Scambo was never on a team. Team players would t have done what he’s done.
Also, the involved management will have to see “reinstatement” from the league to ever work again. So we’ll see how that goes!!!
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Post by vadarx on Oct 26, 2021 18:56:29 GMT -6
as to the why... what a terrible and disgusting situation this all is. true justice will likely never be done for the victims, but at least some steps in the right direction were taking today. that being said... awoke early this morning to start packing for the big drive (today is day 1 of 4) and then spent the day driving (obviously). grabbed the phone and wiped the sleep out my eyes whilst reading the missive... a pep in my step for the rest of the day and not one incident of road rage... I've been wanting to get on here and read and comment for hours now. mostly to say this: I understand the circumstances are terrible, but the news this am has brought me a day long bout of incredible joy knowing that that silver spoon suckin, coattail ridin, snake oil sellin, back stabbin, narcissistic, lying sack of human shit has FINALLY gotten him damn comeuppance! finally finally finally we are rid of this TURD of a person. he has fucked over so many people in the organization and today was his big day. no more cushy job cuz daddy was a HOF coach. no more chance at ruining the Olympics for team USA. no more running the team into the ground because he is smarter than everyone else.. he did his very bestest to remove anyone and everyone that could point the finger at him. he was thisclose to having full control, too. I'm sooooo happy this fucking smug prick finally got what he deserved. I hope he never ever has anything to do with hockey ever again (unless he goes to his alma mater, they can have him there). He did have full control already when McD was fired/reigned. nah. he was getting closer once he got his promotion last year. if you think he didn't want Danny's job, well... he was working his way there... |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 26, 2021 19:13:08 GMT -6
He did have full control already when McD was fired/reigned. nah. he was getting closer once he got his promotion last year. if you think he didn't want Danny's job, well... he was working his way there... He never would have been Rocky's son. He got McD's job which was President. |
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Post by vanken on Oct 26, 2021 19:28:56 GMT -6
im seeing a Kyle Davidson is the interim GM for now, anyone know anything about this guy? No one knows much about him. He could be very smart. But I think for the Hawks they’d be best to hire a replacement quick. Kyle literally has 4 months of assistant GM work under his belt. So put him on the shelf soon. Don’t want him making a deal!!! I wouldn't mind having him sack the coach... because of his coaching ability, not because of this scandal. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Oct 26, 2021 19:41:45 GMT -6
There's only 3 Icehogs that would've been 20 during the Western Finals, Beach, Aliu, and Shawn Lalonde. I have a feeling Lalonde is John Doe, I remember him being a black ace. Beach might've been a black ace as well but I can't find who the 2010 aces were. Shawn had the tools to be a good dman but he never got a chance then went overseas, that might've been why. They shouldn't have said it was a 20yr old black ace, easy to deduce who it might've been. I don't believe that either Beach or Aliu were black aces. I think you're correct. As I recall, there were pretty high expectations of LaLonde. I hope it wasn't this incident that derailed his career. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 26, 2021 19:45:29 GMT -6
There's only 3 Icehogs that would've been 20 during the Western Finals, Beach, Aliu, and Shawn Lalonde. I have a feeling Lalonde is John Doe, I remember him being a black ace. Beach might've been a black ace as well but I can't find who the 2010 aces were. Shawn had the tools to be a good dman but he never got a chance then went overseas, that might've been why. They shouldn't have said it was a 20yr old black ace, easy to deduce who it might've been. I don't believe that either Beach or Aliu were black aces. I think you're correct. As I recall, there were pretty high expectations of LaLonde. I hope it wasn't this incident that derailed his career. Honestly, I think we should let John Doe continue to be John Doe |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Oct 26, 2021 20:00:34 GMT -6
I don't believe that either Beach or Aliu were black aces. I think you're correct. As I recall, there were pretty high expectations of LaLonde. I hope it wasn't this incident that derailed his career. Honestly, I think we should let John Doe continue to be John Doe True enough. It's not that important who John Doe was. Obviously, a more serious problem is what the Hawks management did, which was to try and hide what had happened. In that way, they are similar to most corporate management, except that they deal with still very young, ambitious, and vulnerable kids. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 26, 2021 20:02:03 GMT -6
nah. he was getting closer once he got his promotion last year. if you think he didn't want Danny's job, well... he was working his way there... He never would have been Rocky's son. He got McD's job which was President. eventually Rocky won't be around to be the owner/chairman... which would leave Danny's job open... ya know, the guy he spent the entire Covid Cup in Edmonton sucking up to... |
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Post by shooter61 on Oct 26, 2021 20:22:59 GMT -6
One thing to keep in mind. When all of this happened, they were just allegations. Though serious, but still just allegations. I still feel it was managements duty and not any of the subordinates. Yes they were all grown men and should have done better. But none of this is here today I’d management did their job. I feel like Bowman is getting off easy here. Was McD that difficult to deal with? Was he not approachable? Then go higher. Shame one McD, Scambo, MacIssac and Blunk. All were the upper brass and didn’t do what was needed. At least 2 should a turned on McCub, and got something done. They should have suspended the perpetrator and called it an investigation until the Cup was done and all would have been well. It disgusts me that when one didn’t do his job, it all the sudden becomes someone else’s problem. Disgusting. You can tell Scambo was never on a team. Team players would t have done what he’s done. Also, the involved management will have to see “reinstatement” from the league to ever work again. So we’ll see how that goes!!! and don't for get Q, he was in the middle and said a few damaging sentences, he was one, of the one's pushing for it to be kept quiet, until after the cup run |
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Post by BigT on Oct 26, 2021 20:51:18 GMT -6
One thing to keep in mind. When all of this happened, they were just allegations. Though serious, but still just allegations. I still feel it was managements duty and not any of the subordinates. Yes they were all grown men and should have done better. But none of this is here today I’d management did their job. I feel like Bowman is getting off easy here. Was McD that difficult to deal with? Was he not approachable? Then go higher. Shame one McD, Scambo, MacIssac and Blunk. All were the upper brass and didn’t do what was needed. At least 2 should a turned on McCub, and got something done. They should have suspended the perpetrator and called it an investigation until the Cup was done and all would have been well. It disgusts me that when one didn’t do his job, it all the sudden becomes someone else’s problem. Disgusting. You can tell Scambo was never on a team. Team players would t have done what he’s done. Also, the involved management will have to see “reinstatement” from the league to ever work again. So we’ll see how that goes!!! and don't for get Q, he was in the middle and said a few damaging sentences, he was one, of the one's pushing for it to be kept quiet, until after the cup run That doesn’t even bother me. For a few reasons. 1) it’s not his say. If management did their gawd dam job, this conversation doesn’t happen. 2) if Aldick was suspended, even until after the Cup run, they could have done a better investigation and or turned it over to the police. Waiting the 3 weeks is no where near as bad as burying the guy for 10 plus years. And then trying to get it thrown out due to status of limitations. Just sickening all the way around. Trying to sewer Chevy and Q I think is unclassy. Sure they should’ve spoke up. But they more than likely thought McD and Stan took care of it and that was that. I hope they don’t come down on players now. It’s getting ugly!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 26, 2021 21:20:26 GMT -6
and don't for get Q, he was in the middle and said a few damaging sentences, he was one, of the one's pushing for it to be kept quiet, until after the cup run That doesn’t even bother me. For a few reasons. 1) it’s not his say. If management did their gawd dam job, this conversation doesn’t happen. 2) if Aldick was suspended, even until after the Cup run, they could have done a better investigation and or turned it over to the police. Waiting the 3 weeks is no where near as bad as burying the guy for 10 plus years. And then trying to get it thrown out due to status of limitations. Just sickening all the way around. Trying to sewer Chevy and Q I think is unclassy. Sure they should’ve spoke up. But they more than likely thought McD and Stan took care of it and that was that. I hope they don’t come down on players now. It’s getting ugly!!! One thing is it did not happen on Hawks property. I hate to say it but according to the hooker they had her story was different than both of theirs. They had gone out drinking and back to aldrichs place. According to her it happened a couple times they went out. Unfortunatly we will never find out if it was consenual or not. One says yes, the other says no. When he told the first Hawk guy what happened they should have gone straight to the police and the kid should have filed assault charges then and there. At that point is when the clusterfuck started with management got involved. They were in their win at any cost mode. Bad thing is none of this is criminal any longer. That time long passed. What Hawk management did was reprehensive by covering it instead of backing up the kid if he filed charges. Hawks would have weathered the storm if there was any. If it was ALL McD that wanted this covered up, then he most certainly is a douche. Dirtbag human. |
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Post by Tater on Oct 27, 2021 0:22:13 GMT -6
Tazer? When's the last time there's been a player-coach in the NHL? JK P.S. I was only thinking about the coaching spot that might--hopefully--be available soon. GM? I don't think he's in the organization.
I see what you did there! And yes. Hoss for coach!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 27, 2021 2:43:16 GMT -6
I don't believe that either Beach or Aliu were black aces. I think you're correct. As I recall, there were pretty high expectations of LaLonde. I hope it wasn't this incident that derailed his career. Honestly, I think we should let John Doe continue to be John Doe True, I was just curious but it doesn't matter who it was. The poor guy had his career ruined. I'm just glad it's out there now and the people who covered it up are gone, hopefully John Doe is well taken care of. |
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Post by jaty84 on Oct 27, 2021 6:32:26 GMT -6
It's very sad that the GM had to be changed due to the reasons like this one. On the other hand, FINALLY. Direction of the club was next to nothing and no signs of improvement towards the future. Only bright spot in the past years was drafting of Dcat and hopefully Dach. The years before Stanbo oriented the club at Dmen in the first rounds. So at this moment we were supposed to be stacked at Dmen, at least 1-4 positions, and in the years onward talented forwards were supposed to be picked in the first rounds.
On the contrary, all Dmen that were selected are either gone or wrongly developed. So Jones was brought in. At what price? At the price of the first round picks with which next "Toewss and Kanes" were supposed to be selected.
Sorry for John Doe. Hopefully he'll get a nice cheque as a retribution. I imagine that majority of sexual harrassment victims get zero retribution.
From my point of view, I am looking forward to new future of Blackhawks. I want to be positive and to believe that the new GM will be a hockey guy and will draw down a good plan for the years to come and will stick to it.
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