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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 15, 2021 9:19:51 GMT -6
I was going to erase my post but you quoted it lol If Hawks management helped this sick predator with a good recommendation and keeping players from going to the police, they should be let go and clean house. He might not have physically abused players in Chicago but he did before and after. McD was let go, Bowman should be as well. I know this doesn’t pertain to a lot of people. When you have kids, no matter how old they are. Your life’s work is to protect them. As a parent I could not accept that the Hawks knew about this and let him go Scott free. I’m not even talking about the letter of recommendation, if that happened, someone’s gotta go “hunting”. Even a kid in their early 20’s is a target. They’re impressionable. To make the Hawks, I can see how a kid would do so shit they normally wouldn’t do. It’s terrible to think anyone in the Hawks org would let a predator like that go free. Blaming the players and coaches is a moot point. They had zero power to fire the guy or make any decision on the losers future. Management did. They did nothing. No excuses. All of them should be shitcanned!!! A lot of people don't get this--especially those within the über-macho mindset. Kids who grow up with a track to actually become a professional sports athlete, especially those in the major sports where million dollar contracts are the norm, are raised to listen to and defer to all of their coaches as well as do everything they say. This happens from a very young age so it's a task to break out of that mindframe. Plus, when you think about a kid who does indeed have the potential to become a sports star a lot of other things in life tend to fall by the wayside. Doing what they can to make the big leagues becomes all-consuming not just for the kid, but for their parents as well, so that "Do everything your coaches tell you" is reinforced. After all, regardless of your actual skill and potential ceiling, if a coach doesn't like you they can torpedo a scouting report for the next level. Unfortunately, there are some coaches that take advantage of that for their own disgusting purposes (see also: Theo Fleury among others). Further, you can have parents like Jack Johnson's who look at their kid as a meal ticket again reinforcing that mindframe. That attitude doesn't go away the moment a kid hits 18 years old. Like everyone else their childhood baggage can take years to sort through, so even a young pro athlete is vulnerable. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that asshole Aldrich could try to hold a player's career hostage and possibly told his victims that if they didn't do what they said, that he had Q's, Stan's etc. ears and would make sure they'd never play hockey again...and given that many pro athletes enter the pro leagues with no real plan B as to what to do with their lives if sports doesn't work out, it does make them vulnerable to predatory coaches. Seriously think about things for a moment: Imagine if Kane had a career-ending injury back in 2008 before he won the Calder. What do you think he would be doing for a living now compared to what he's done in his career and how much he's made? Thus, I really have to question everyone who claims they would have beat the shit out of Aldrich in that situation. Realistically (and assuming Aldrich wasn't armed), a player does that--Aldrich came onto them and the player gives Aldrich a deserved beatdown. What then? Unless someone else can corroborate a past behavior it's going to come down to Aldrich saying the player attacked him--and likely saying the player did so unprovoked and play up the angle of the testosterone-fueled player beating up their elders, vs a scared young adult in a society that still doesn't take sexual assault against men seriously trying to claim Aldrich was sexually menacing him. I really don't see that turning out well for the player unless Aldrich has history and others come forward. As for the rest, look at Gary's alleged comments. It is terrible to think that people in the 'hawks organization would take that attitude, but it's not surprising the 'hawks allegedly took the Catholic way out. A lot of upper management in all organizations tend to look at those on the bottom rungs as assets and not humans, and a rape scandal affects the bottom line. |
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Post by squishy24 on Sept 15, 2021 10:47:39 GMT -6
it seems like there is a big chance that Bowman (or current management) might be out the door before the end of the season. And could be even before the Olympics and Bowman might get stripped off of being USA GM.
I mean, from what everything i've read in the internet, the Hawks defense on this has been on two things. 1- theyre not responsible for reporting it (because the victim is an adult) and 2- they didnt send a letter of recommendation. (there is a 3rd one- statue of limitation, why this took a decade)
I have yet to read if there is any proof that the sexual assault allegations didnt happen or at least a denial that it didnt happen. There are also no reports/rebuttals that they didnt hide it or didnt know about it. They might get this thrown out of court and win "legally", but the morality issue of this will linger. US hockey and NHL have their own set of "rules" and they can punish the Hawks management even if the law couldnt.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 15, 2021 19:38:29 GMT -6
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Post by squishy24 on Sept 16, 2021 11:55:43 GMT -6
thank you for the links GT! im confused about this part of the article "The Blackhawks have claimed in court documents that the team investigated the allegations and found them to be meritless." would be nice to know why or what's "meritless". Followed by "The team said in a court filing on Friday that the former Blackhawks player’s lawsuit should be dismissed because of limitation periods" did the sexual abuse happened or didnt happen? we'll just have to wait and see what the result of the investigation is |
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Post by BigT on Sept 16, 2021 12:13:35 GMT -6
With the US women’s gymnastics debacle and sex abuse scandal involving Simone Biles and a bunch of others, you’d think this Scambo thing would be not taken lightly. I don’t have any inside info. But I think this will be gaining steam since he’s the GM of team USA, and the gymnastics horrendous abuse. I feel this will start to gain strength on a national level really soon. And big time too!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 30, 2021 20:09:44 GMT -6
so....maybe no actual letter of recommendation? but it appears they still engraved that prick's name on the cup knowing of the allegations against him. that doesn't ease my mind very much. but will it might be enough of a technicality to get the organization off the hook? “Most definitely there was communication between the Blackhawks and Houghton,” Loggans wrote in a 41-page court filing. “At the very least, there was non-verbal communication. The Blackhawks gave Mr. Aldrich the actual Stanley Cup to take to Houghton to show it off. The Cup was inscribed with Mr. Aldrich’s name. Standing alone, this communication vouches for Mr. Aldrich’s suitability as a coach… In other words, the Blackhawks ‘sent’ Mr. Aldrich to Houghton with the most positive reference available – the Stanley Cup, engraved with his name. They did this at a time when they knew of Aldrich’s sexual exploitation of its players.”www.tsn.ca/rick-westhead-aldrich-s-day-with-cup-the-most-positive-job-reference-blackhawks-could-give-lawye-1.1700663 |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 1, 2021 8:40:50 GMT -6
With the US women’s gymnastics debacle and sex abuse scandal involving Simone Biles and a bunch of others, you’d think this Scambo thing would be not taken lightly. I don’t have any inside info. But I think this will be gaining steam since he’s the GM of team USA, and the gymnastics horrendous abuse. I feel this will start to gain strength on a national level really soon. And big time too!!! I'm not looking to give the Org a pass T but the depth and breath of the women's(girls actually,many only 14-16)gymnastics scandal and the UNBELIEVABLE length of time it existed is just a different animal. The FBI were told and did next to nothing I read which is a massive disappointment. Yeah a possible reference letter or letting the perp have his day with the cup is bad news but US gymnastics were aware of allegations for years and still let a monster continue his dirty deeds. Yes,it's bad enough when an assistant coach preys on young men in their early 20's.....REAL BAD but a governing body allowing a what should be the most trusted and respected individual in one's life,a DOCTOR have his way with LITTLE GIRLS for YEARS after already being aware of allegations is without comparison and more than the perp himself should be behind bars for it! I dunno how it all shakes out for the Hawks but I still suspect the impact will be less than most of us think when it's said and done. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 1, 2021 14:36:50 GMT -6
With the US women’s gymnastics debacle and sex abuse scandal involving Simone Biles and a bunch of others, you’d think this Scambo thing would be not taken lightly. I don’t have any inside info. But I think this will be gaining steam since he’s the GM of team USA, and the gymnastics horrendous abuse. I feel this will start to gain strength on a national level really soon. And big time too!!! I'm not looking to give the Org a pass T but the depth and breath of the women's(girls actually,many only 14-16)gymnastics scandal and the UNBELIEVABLE length of time it existed is just a different animal. The FBI were told and did next to nothing I read which is a massive disappointment. Yeah a possible reference letter or letting the perp have his day with the cup is bad news but US gymnastics were aware of allegations for years and still let a monster continue his dirty deeds. Yes,it's bad enough when an assistant coach preys on young men in their early 20's.....REAL BAD but a governing body allowing a what should be the most trusted and respected individual in one's life,a DOCTOR have his way with LITTLE GIRLS for YEARS after already being aware of allegations is without comparison and more than the perp himself should be behind bars for it! I dunno how it all shakes out for the Hawks but I still suspect the impact will be less than most of us think when it's said and done. I honestly never meant to compare the two. I hope it didn’t come across that way. I was just referencing that the horrible scandal of the gymnastics was out in the open and that the US Olympic squad would not want anything even close to that on their radar. I can’t see them wanting this hanging over USA sports. But I believe your last sentence to be the most likely. It’s very sad that it may actually come to that. I know I say this a lot. But as a parent, I don’t think I could sit by quietly or non violently if someone did that to my son or daughter. I thought Ms Biles handled herself in an utmost professional manner considering the shit she went through and having the media asking questions. Just horrifying for that young lady. Plus what she was going through during the Olympics etc. When kids are preyed on like what R Kelly did, and this gymnast prick and Aldrich dick, there’s really no use for them in society. I doubt you’ll ever rehabilitate people like that!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 1, 2021 21:32:38 GMT -6
I'm not looking to give the Org a pass T but the depth and breath of the women's(girls actually,many only 14-16)gymnastics scandal and the UNBELIEVABLE length of time it existed is just a different animal. The FBI were told and did next to nothing I read which is a massive disappointment. Yeah a possible reference letter or letting the perp have his day with the cup is bad news but US gymnastics were aware of allegations for years and still let a monster continue his dirty deeds. Yes,it's bad enough when an assistant coach preys on young men in their early 20's.....REAL BAD but a governing body allowing a what should be the most trusted and respected individual in one's life,a DOCTOR have his way with LITTLE GIRLS for YEARS after already being aware of allegations is without comparison and more than the perp himself should be behind bars for it! I dunno how it all shakes out for the Hawks but I still suspect the impact will be less than most of us think when it's said and done. I honestly never meant to compare the two. I hope it didn’t come across that way. I was just referencing that the horrible scandal of the gymnastics was out in the open and that the US Olympic squad would not want anything even close to that on their radar. I can’t see them wanting this hanging over USA sports. But I believe your last sentence to be the most likely. It’s very sad that it may actually come to that. I know I say this a lot. But as a parent, I don’t think I could sit by quietly or non violently if someone did that to my son or daughter. I thought Ms Biles handled herself in an utmost professional manner considering the shit she went through and having the media asking questions. Just horrifying for that young lady. Plus what she was going through during the Olympics etc. When kids are preyed on like what R Kelly did, and this gymnast prick and Aldrich dick, there’s really no use for them in society. I doubt you’ll ever rehabilitate people like that!!! The gymnastics doctor had so many victims,I'm surprised somebody didn't put him in a dumpster before his trial and I get what you said about the bad optics of another scandal during the upcoming Olympics. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 2, 2021 17:22:11 GMT -6
I honestly never meant to compare the two. I hope it didn’t come across that way. I was just referencing that the horrible scandal of the gymnastics was out in the open and that the US Olympic squad would not want anything even close to that on their radar. I can’t see them wanting this hanging over USA sports. But I believe your last sentence to be the most likely. It’s very sad that it may actually come to that. I know I say this a lot. But as a parent, I don’t think I could sit by quietly or non violently if someone did that to my son or daughter. I thought Ms Biles handled herself in an utmost professional manner considering the shit she went through and having the media asking questions. Just horrifying for that young lady. Plus what she was going through during the Olympics etc. When kids are preyed on like what R Kelly did, and this gymnast prick and Aldrich dick, there’s really no use for them in society. I doubt you’ll ever rehabilitate people like that!!! The gymnastics doctor had so many victims,I'm surprised somebody didn't put him in a dumpster before his trial and I get what you said about the bad optics of another scandal during the upcoming Olympics. One of the fathers went after him at the trail. IBEW t-shirt on. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 2, 2021 21:07:41 GMT -6
The gymnastics doctor had so many victims,I'm surprised somebody didn't put him in a dumpster before his trial and I get what you said about the bad optics of another scandal during the upcoming Olympics. One of the fathers went after him at the trail. IBEW t-shirt on. That’s good to know. Proud of that parent. Sometimes vigilante justice is the way to go!!! |
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Post by tincup on Oct 26, 2021 10:32:20 GMT -6
Wonder what this means “organizational changes”? Probably a new department of something or other to look proactive.
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Oct 26, 2021 10:56:55 GMT -6
Report to be released one PM central time.
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Post by Tater on Oct 26, 2021 12:09:12 GMT -6
Has anyone been able to see the Rocky and Daniel press conference? There is nothing on the O site about it.
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Oct 26, 2021 12:12:39 GMT -6
Al Macissac pushed onto the sword for Prince Daniel and Stan Blowman.
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Oct 26, 2021 12:14:03 GMT -6
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Oct 26, 2021 12:28:40 GMT -6
Bowman quit!
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 26, 2021 12:32:17 GMT -6
I heard step aside as GM. Or is he gone from org. |
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Oct 26, 2021 12:34:04 GMT -6
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Oct 26, 2021 12:35:03 GMT -6
I heard step aside as GM. Or is he gone from org. Gone 100% |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 26, 2021 12:35:23 GMT -6
And they stated Joel knew about what was going on.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 26, 2021 12:39:10 GMT -6
And Cheveldayoff knew per investigation
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Post by number9 on Oct 26, 2021 12:39:51 GMT -6
I heard step aside as GM. Or is he gone from org. Gone 100% So is this going to be like when trump lost the election? Will there be dancing in the streets? |
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Post by squishy24 on Oct 26, 2021 12:43:43 GMT -6
Im happy hes gone and its very unfortunate that the sexual assault happen.
But it would even be sweeter if he was fired because of his hockey moves.
Also, should we expect the US hockey to kick him off as the GM? Whats going to happen to the coach?
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 26, 2021 12:44:55 GMT -6
I dont think so people will be glad buy then remember why he is being let go and thats a sad situation that happened to more then a few kids. Aldrich should be tortured on TV Ill pay to see.
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Post by BigT on Oct 26, 2021 12:45:02 GMT -6
And they stated Joel knew about what was going on. It sucks to hear that. But we have to see what the report says. Did Scambo tell them to shut their mouth? A lot more to consider here!!! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 26, 2021 12:47:33 GMT -6
Im happy hes gone and its very unfortunate that the sexual assault happen. But it would even be sweeter if he was fired because of his hockey moves. Also, should we expect the US hockey to kick him off as the GM? Whats going to happen to the coach? As far as coach thats Rockys call he might wait for a GM to be permanent. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 26, 2021 12:48:08 GMT -6
Im happy hes gone and its very unfortunate that the sexual assault happen. But it would even be sweeter if he was fired because of his hockey moves. Also, should we expect the US hockey to kick him off as the GM? Whats going to happen to the coach? My neighbour is a scout. He here’s everything. He said that Scambo more than likely is to step down from that. And he may never be seen again due to this. I also heard something about 12 mins ago about a possible GM replacement. I can’t say anything, but this fella would be sweet to have!!! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 26, 2021 12:51:27 GMT -6
Keep us posted T guess we have something to talk about tonight. My Fire Stan Tshirts dont get here for another 4 days...
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 26, 2021 12:54:26 GMT -6
Does this mean we can null and void Bowmans last 10 years of trades and get our players back?
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