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Post by hsbob on Feb 8, 2020 17:50:26 GMT -6
We will see. No one is hoping that Seabs can come back and be a solid player more than me. But I’d have to think at 35 and half a season off doesn’t bode well for him. The org is more than likely on top of this situation, just like with Hossa. I just don’t think the Hawks are willing to pay 7 million a year for a 2 million a year guy. I’m hoping he comes back as the Seabs we know and love!!! None of us know how it works out T,I'm just spitballin'...... If Seabs suffered a few recent concussions or other serious injurie(s),I'd understand a willingness to walk away but the guy's been good to go up until his procedures. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 8, 2020 18:14:16 GMT -6
hopefully very good news. I was worried watching the replay. awkward fall, caught his arm in a vulnerable position.... good to hear he could be playing soon. boqvist was "a full participant in hawk's practice saturday" but that right shoulder of his is worrisome. or on the flip side, maybe it's a good omen about his durability. anyhoo....JC still non-committal if he's a player against the jets tomorrow. |
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Post by Tater on Feb 9, 2020 2:42:19 GMT -6
hopefully very good news. I was worried watching the replay. awkward fall, caught his arm in a vulnerable position.... good to hear he could be playing soon. boqvist was "a full participant in hawk's practice saturday" but that right shoulder of his is worrisome. or on the flip side, maybe it's a good omen about his durability. anyhoo....JC still non-committal if he's a player against the jets tomorrow. Appreciate the update. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 9, 2020 10:22:27 GMT -6
hopefully very good news. I was worried watching the replay. awkward fall, caught his arm in a vulnerable position.... good to hear he could be playing soon. boqvist was "a full participant in hawk's practice saturday" but that right shoulder of his is worrisome. or on the flip side, maybe it's a good omen about his durability. anyhoo....JC still non-committal if he's a player against the jets tomorrow. Smith put a big hit on 'Pasta' last time we saw the Bruins www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n259908 and was immediately called to answer for it,this time 'Pasta' returned the favor with a dangerous hit on our 19yro,1st rounder...….there was no call to answer this time. |
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Post by irmaks on Feb 9, 2020 14:19:00 GMT -6
boqvist was "a full participant in hawk's practice saturday" but that right shoulder of his is worrisome. or on the flip side, maybe it's a good omen about his durability. anyhoo....JC still non-committal if he's a player against the jets tomorrow. Smith put a big hit on 'Pasta' last time we saw the Bruins www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n259908 and was immediately called to answer for it,this time 'Pasta' returned the favor with a dangerous hit on our 19yro,1st rounder...….there was no call to answer this time. Bob, I thought it was Krejci, but regardless there should be response from the team, even if that hit was legal which wasn't a case. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 9, 2020 17:33:08 GMT -6
Smith put a big hit on 'Pasta' last time we saw the Bruins www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n259908 and was immediately called to answer for it,this time 'Pasta' returned the favor with a dangerous hit on our 19yro,1st rounder...….there was no call to answer this time. Bob, I thought it was Krejci, but regardless there should be response from the team, even if that hit was legal which wasn't a case. Good catch,it was Krajci and after watching it again,I noticed a few Bruins milling around their team mate in anticipation of a scrum or someone taking exception right after but it wasn't necessary on their part...…...absolutely no exception was taken. Same with every time Dach's been targeted. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 9, 2020 20:53:47 GMT -6
Bob, I thought it was Krejci, but regardless there should be response from the team, even if that hit was legal which wasn't a case. Good catch,it was Krajci and after watching it again,I noticed a few Bruins milling around their team mate in anticipation of a scrum or someone taking exception right after but it wasn't necessary on their part...…...absolutely no exception was taken. Same with every time Dach's been targeted. Dach took a few lumps again tonight. No one on the ice in a Hawks uni even looked his way!!! |
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Post by Tater on Feb 10, 2020 2:29:09 GMT -6
Good catch,it was Krajci and after watching it again,I noticed a few Bruins milling around their team mate in anticipation of a scrum or someone taking exception right after but it wasn't necessary on their part...…...absolutely no exception was taken. Same with every time Dach's been targeted. Dach took a few lumps again tonight. No one on the ice in a Hawks uni even looked his way!!! Yeah, something big needs to change with this team starting with Stan and the grinch.
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Post by BigT on Feb 10, 2020 4:38:08 GMT -6
Dach took a few lumps again tonight. No one on the ice in a Hawks uni even looked his way!!! Yeah, something big needs to change with this team starting with Stan and the grinch.
He took that one hit right by the penalty box by Pionk (I believe it was), he came way out of his way to throw that hit on a rookie and Dach went down hard. I know he’s only 18, but if he keeps taking hits like that, he won’t be in the league very long. He’ll be injured in no time, and probably concussed horribly. I’d like to see next time we play the Jets in a week or whenever it is, to have Seeler or Smith go give Pionk the tap on the shinpads and tell him “we’re going”!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 10, 2020 7:04:08 GMT -6
Good catch,it was Krajci and after watching it again,I noticed a few Bruins milling around their team mate in anticipation of a scrum or someone taking exception right after but it wasn't necessary on their part...…...absolutely no exception was taken. Same with every time Dach's been targeted. Dach took a few lumps again tonight. No one on the ice in a Hawks uni even looked his way!!! Dach also dished out a couple solid hits himself. He's not a 5'10" guy , he's 6' 3" and needs to show the league himself he can dish it out too. He needs to work on building his upper and lower body strength this summer and pack on about 20 LBS. He's not playing with 16-17 year olds anymore. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 10, 2020 7:58:51 GMT -6
Dach took a few lumps again tonight. No one on the ice in a Hawks uni even looked his way!!! Dach also dished out a couple solid hits himself. He's not a 5'10" guy , he's 6' 3" and needs to show the league himself he can dish it out too. He needs to work on building his upper and lower body strength this summer and pack on about 20 LBS. He's not playing with 16-17 year olds anymore. Sure, but he’s also an 18 year old child. It would be nice to see his team mates stick up for him and make him feel more welcomed. If he was 20 or 21, then I’d agree. This is why I don’t like many 18 year olds in the NHL. Imagine if McDavid took that hit at 18. Or Hughes? I’m sure their team would be there to have his back. We have a bunch of on lookers, it’s kinda sad to be honest. Any team I’ve been on would have your back. If we had a younger kid, they’d be protected. I don’t think the times have changed that much, just the Hawks!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 10, 2020 11:12:03 GMT -6
Dach also dished out a couple solid hits himself. He's not a 5'10" guy , he's 6' 3" and needs to show the league himself he can dish it out too. He needs to work on building his upper and lower body strength this summer and pack on about 20 LBS. He's not playing with 16-17 year olds anymore. Sure, but he’s also an 18 year old child. It would be nice to see his team mates stick up for him and make him feel more welcomed. If he was 20 or 21, then I’d agree. This is why I don’t like many 18 year olds in the NHL. Imagine if McDavid took that hit at 18. Or Hughes? I’m sure their team would be there to have his back. We have a bunch of on lookers, it’s kinda sad to be honest. Any team I’ve been on would have your back. If we had a younger kid, they’d be protected. I don’t think the times have changed that much, just the Hawks!!! The problem is that's how it's been for a few years now...arguably since 2016. The lack of pack mentality is disturbing. |
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Post by doogiew on Feb 10, 2020 17:46:48 GMT -6
Sure, but he’s also an 18 year old child. It would be nice to see his team mates stick up for him and make him feel more welcomed. If he was 20 or 21, then I’d agree. This is why I don’t like many 18 year olds in the NHL. Imagine if McDavid took that hit at 18. Or Hughes? I’m sure their team would be there to have his back. We have a bunch of on lookers, it’s kinda sad to be honest. Any team I’ve been on would have your back. If we had a younger kid, they’d be protected. I don’t think the times have changed that much, just the Hawks!!! The problem is that's how it's been for a few years now...arguably since 2016. The lack of pack mentality is disturbing. The problem does lay somewhere but it isn't the players. Smith, Caggulia, Murphy, now Seeler to replace Gilbert who toughness seemed to peter out. Even Toews takes care f himself and would stand up for a team mate. These guys seldom dropped the gloves even though I believe there is a willingness if tapped on the shoulder. The tap they never seem o get. Yup some toughness is certainly lacking in Chi Town my guess is it isn't the players but something or someone else. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 10, 2020 18:20:42 GMT -6
The problem is that's how it's been for a few years now...arguably since 2016. The lack of pack mentality is disturbing. The problem does lay somewhere but it isn't the players. Smith, Caggulia, Murphy, now Seeler to replace Gilbert who toughness seemed to peter out. Even Toews takes care f himself and would stand up for a team mate. These guys seldom dropped the gloves even though I believe there is a willingness if tapped on the shoulder. The tap they never seem o get. Yup some toughness is certainly lacking in Chi Town my guess is it isn't the players but something or someone else. Everybody's toughness "peters out' after they're here for a while,Gilbert's poundin' lumps on somebody's head every other game in Rockford. Smith is a guy who played with an edge in the past but that edge wouldn't cut butter these days. He had one fight this year and that was when Boston called him on a hit HE threw,he's stuck up for no one so far and he was out with Dach a few times when he got crushed. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 10, 2020 18:57:08 GMT -6
Smith is a guy who played with an edge in the past but that edge wouldn't cut butter these days. He had one fight this year and that was when Boston called him on a hit HE threw,he's stuck up for no one so far and he was out with Dach a few times when he got crushed. this season, smith leads the team in hits (109) despite being 13th in hawks' forwards in TOI/game. (11:49) as far as fighting goes, the average majors per team this year is 9.9 each. we are currently 18th in the league with 9. fighting majors are a good indicator of fights but not a true indicator of team toughness. case in point, this year st. loo has the 2nd least majors in the league with 4. but this team is perennially a team that doesn't tend to drop 'em. in 18/19 we were 21st in majors 17/18 24th 16/17 28th 15/16 25th 14/15 29th 13/14 27th 12/13 26th 11/12 9th 10/11 23rd not arguing your point one bit about a lack of team toughness or pack mentality. just playing around with some numbers here. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 10, 2020 19:00:56 GMT -6
The problem does lay somewhere but it isn't the players. Smith, Caggulia, Murphy, now Seeler to replace Gilbert who toughness seemed to peter out. Even Toews takes care f himself and would stand up for a team mate. These guys seldom dropped the gloves even though I believe there is a willingness if tapped on the shoulder. The tap they never seem o get. Yup some toughness is certainly lacking in Chi Town my guess is it isn't the players but something or someone else. Everybody's toughness "peters out' after they're here for a while,Gilbert's poundin' lumps on somebody's head every other game in Rockford. Smith is a guy who played with an edge in the past but that edge wouldn't cut butter these days. He had one fight this year and that was when Boston called him on a hit HE threw,he's stuck up for no one so far and he was out with Dach a few times when he got crushed. Bob, something is awry here. We all know hockey players have that pack mentality. Then they get here and it dies a quick death. I’m not saying we need to lead the league in hits and fights. But these guys don’t even get into a scrum. I’ll be the first to admit I love the finesse game of Kane and the many others in our game. But I also don’t like to be walked all over. Star players need to be protected at all costs. We need a change in philosophy here. What star player is gonna want to play under these conditions? I know I wouldn’t be happy playing under these conditions. If I get railroaded, I have to get up and fight for myself and prove my worth. I don’t think it’s worth my time when there’s 30 other teams that would want me!!! |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 11, 2020 9:14:56 GMT -6
Everybody's toughness "peters out' after they're here for a while,Gilbert's poundin' lumps on somebody's head every other game in Rockford. Smith is a guy who played with an edge in the past but that edge wouldn't cut butter these days. He had one fight this year and that was when Boston called him on a hit HE threw,he's stuck up for no one so far and he was out with Dach a few times when he got crushed. Bob, something is awry here. We all know hockey players have that pack mentality. Then they get here and it dies a quick death. I’m not saying we need to lead the league in hits and fights. But these guys don’t even get into a scrum. I’ll be the first to admit I love the finesse game of Kane and the many others in our game. But I also don’t like to be walked all over. Star players need to be protected at all costs. We need a change in philosophy here. What star player is gonna want to play under these conditions? I know I wouldn’t be happy playing under these conditions. If I get railroaded, I have to get up and fight for myself and prove my worth. I don’t think it’s worth my time when there’s 30 other teams that would want me!!! maybe they need to go to "Keith's school of toughness". nothing against Sedin or injuring players, but Keith went out of his way to retaliate and elbow him to the face. Granted he was suspended, but it sends a message. Maybe its a coincidence but you rarely see players take liberties on Keith. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 11, 2020 10:28:36 GMT -6
The problem is that's how it's been for a few years now...arguably since 2016. The lack of pack mentality is disturbing. The problem does lay somewhere but it isn't the players. Smith, Caggulia, Murphy, now Seeler to replace Gilbert who toughness seemed to peter out. Even Toews takes care f himself and would stand up for a team mate. These guys seldom dropped the gloves even though I believe there is a willingness if tapped on the shoulder. The tap they never seem o get. Yup some toughness is certainly lacking in Chi Town my guess is it isn't the players but something or someone else. I partially disagree. I don't think players with a good sense of pack mentality need a "tap on the shoulder". They just do. Panarin didn't need a tap on the shoulder to take a player to task for running Kane. Debrincat didn't need a tap on the shoulder for a guy running Keith. Further--guys in leadership roles probably don't have the dark cloud of pussy brass benching them or trading them. Do you think if Toews or Keith stood up for a guy who got ran that JC, Stan, or McDonut would do anything? I don't think so. |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 11, 2020 12:15:28 GMT -6
I like when Keith said this team needs to be "mean" and he showed it the following game against the Avs. Unfortunately, that was it
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Post by tincup on Feb 11, 2020 13:17:51 GMT -6
Everybody's toughness "peters out' after they're here for a while,Gilbert's poundin' lumps on somebody's head every other game in Rockford. Smith is a guy who played with an edge in the past but that edge wouldn't cut butter these days. He had one fight this year and that was when Boston called him on a hit HE threw,he's stuck up for no one so far and he was out with Dach a few times when he got crushed. Bob, something is awry here. We all know hockey players have that pack mentality. Then they get here and it dies a quick death. I’m not saying we need to lead the league in hits and fights. But these guys don’t even get into a scrum. I’ll be the first to admit I love the finesse game of Kane and the many others in our game. But I also don’t like to be walked all over. Star players need to be protected at all costs. We need a change in philosophy here. What star player is gonna want to play under these conditions? I know I wouldn’t be happy playing under these conditions. If I get railroaded, I have to get up and fight for myself and prove my worth. I don’t think it’s worth my time when there’s 30 other teams that would want me!!! Look up and down the lineup. Except for Smith just nobody in that lineup touched 50 PIM’s in a season, including junior and college. Even the guys we consider able to fight rarely have. It’s one thing to say go and mix it up in a scrum but you have to be able to back it up when it escalates. I’m just saying that they just don’t have a lot of guys with that mentality in the lineup. Who wants to go start something when your teammates are all looking at their laces? You want that kind of toughness on this team, you’re going to have to draft it or trade for it. Most of these guys were used to being protected, they weren’t the protectors. But get a couple of guys like that and suddenly everyone is an inch taller. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 11, 2020 18:58:00 GMT -6
Bob, something is awry here. We all know hockey players have that pack mentality. Then they get here and it dies a quick death. I’m not saying we need to lead the league in hits and fights. But these guys don’t even get into a scrum. I’ll be the first to admit I love the finesse game of Kane and the many others in our game. But I also don’t like to be walked all over. Star players need to be protected at all costs. We need a change in philosophy here. What star player is gonna want to play under these conditions? I know I wouldn’t be happy playing under these conditions. If I get railroaded, I have to get up and fight for myself and prove my worth. I don’t think it’s worth my time when there’s 30 other teams that would want me!!! maybe they need to go to "Keith's school of toughness". nothing against Sedin or injuring players, but Keith went out of his way to retaliate and elbow him to the face. Granted he was suspended, but it sends a message. Maybe its a coincidence but you rarely see players take liberties on Keith. This is a good point Squish,he gave a couple dirty bastards a two-hander when necessary too. Makita opened guys up his first few years and he was pretty much left alone afterward and I remember Kane gettin' a little loose with his stick too a few years back. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 12, 2020 6:28:14 GMT -6
down 16% from 5 or so days ago.
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Post by vadarx on Feb 12, 2020 6:54:26 GMT -6
down 16% from 5 or so days ago. not moving in the right direction, boys.... |
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 12, 2020 12:32:29 GMT -6
we are done after those last two games , time to sell and get something useful
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 12, 2020 13:12:03 GMT -6
read somewhere that there hasn't been any talks with Gus, like a contract extension, so that's good news, right?
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 13, 2020 9:18:32 GMT -6
I think it is
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 13, 2020 9:39:49 GMT -6
read somewhere that there hasn't been any talks with Gus, like a contract extension, so that's good news, right? I would think so. Looking at this realistically--the only thing Gus brought to the table last year was O from the blueline. This year he's barely done that. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 13, 2020 10:15:38 GMT -6
Gus is terrible, lastnight he picked up the puck on the halfboards and could've dumped it down deep or shot it on net, instead he turns to go back to the blueline where Dach was covering him and ran into Dach and it created a 2 on 1.
This guy is a huge momentum killer and he needs to go.
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Post by hsbob on Feb 13, 2020 10:42:07 GMT -6
Gus is terrible, lastnight he picked up the puck on the halfboards and could've dumped it down deep or shot it on net, instead he turns to go back to the blueline where Dach was covering him and ran into Dach and it created a 2 on 1. This guy is a huge momentum killer and he needs to go. Gus ran into Toews BEHIND the Oilers net Tues night and it resulted in an Oil break away that Lehner stoped,he still does the things we just described on a consistent basis. |
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 13, 2020 22:11:45 GMT -6
thank GOD every one else is loosing also
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