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Post by BigT on Feb 14, 2020 16:12:46 GMT -6
I think the worst thing right now would be another 2-3 game winning streak. This team will not make the playoffs and I’d hope Stan is ready to start selling. Like sell everything not nailed down with a NMC. I really don’t see the point to giving up assets to try and go for broke, cuz we will go broke. What will happen is we will end up not making the playoffs, and have less assets to move forward, it’s a double edged sword covered in fece’s. We need to steer clear of that path. I think we could get a nice draft pick from the Bruins ( 1st) and also a decent prospect for Saad. If we retained half his salary, we’d be able to probably get 2 first rounders for him as the Bruins would be able to go for it for 2 years. Also I’ve heard many rumours of the Bruins wanting to move Krug. In that case I’d give them Saad, Gustafsson for Krug, a 1st rounder and the Hawks retain salary on both. Even if we have to throw in Sikura or another redundant prospect, so be it!!!
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 14, 2020 16:52:44 GMT -6
I think the worst thing right now would be another 2-3 game winning streak. This team will not make the playoffs and I’d hope Stan is ready to start selling. Like sell everything not nailed down with a NMC. I really don’t see the point to giving up assets to try and go for broke, cuz we will go broke. What will happen is we will end up not making the playoffs, and have less assets to move forward, it’s a double edged sword covered in fece’s. We need to steer clear of that path. I think we could get a nice draft pick from the Bruins ( 1st) and also a decent prospect for Saad. If we retained half his salary, we’d be able to probably get 2 first rounders for him as the Bruins would be able to go for it for 2 years. Also I’ve heard many rumours of the Bruins wanting to move Krug. In that case I’d give them Saad, Gustafsson for Krug, a 1st rounder and the Hawks retain salary on both. Even if we have to throw in Sikura or another redundant prospect, so be it!!! Krug is going to eat up more capspace and I doubt SB is looking for a Dman.
I doubt he trades for a Dman because the team is loaded with it; Keith and Seabs are not going anywhere Maatta, DeHaan, Murphy are SB's "pet projects", I doubt he trades them Bqovist, Mitchell, Beaudin, Gilbert - shouldn't be traded, maybe Gilbert Seeler, Koko
I'm for trading out Saad, but it will leave a blank space in the roster. SB has been going after players with long terms in their contract. How about this trade
to NJ - Saad, Smith, 2nd rounder to Chicago - Palmieri, Coleman, late pick
that's 9.25m coming out, 6.45 coming in. All contracts ends at the same time (after 20-21). Palmieri and Saad is almost a wash. Palmieri is good defensively and has a higher goal average per year than Saad. NJ might go for this because of Saad's cups experience and hes younger than Palms (a year or two?). Coleman is another defensive forward that already has 22 goals this season. He is a late-bloomer (currently 28) but is better than Smith. NJ might want a young Dman, give them Gilbert or Beaudin (but ask for the Boqvist brother and/or a lower pick going to them)
possible lines; Kubalik - Toews - Caggs Dcat- Strome - Coleman Palmieri - Dach - Kane Carp - Kampf - Nylander
you can switch Kuba/Palmieri if needed
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 14, 2020 17:03:34 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 14, 2020 17:25:08 GMT -6
I think the worst thing right now would be another 2-3 game winning streak. This team will not make the playoffs and I’d hope Stan is ready to start selling. Like sell everything not nailed down with a NMC. I really don’t see the point to giving up assets to try and go for broke, cuz we will go broke. What will happen is we will end up not making the playoffs, and have less assets to move forward, it’s a double edged sword covered in fece’s. We need to steer clear of that path. I think we could get a nice draft pick from the Bruins ( 1st) and also a decent prospect for Saad. If we retained half his salary, we’d be able to probably get 2 first rounders for him as the Bruins would be able to go for it for 2 years. Also I’ve heard many rumours of the Bruins wanting to move Krug. In that case I’d give them Saad, Gustafsson for Krug, a 1st rounder and the Hawks retain salary on both. Even if we have to throw in Sikura or another redundant prospect, so be it!!! Krug is going to eat up more capspace and I doubt SB is looking for a Dman.
I doubt he trades for a Dman because the team is loaded with it; Keith and Seabs are not going anywhere Maatta, DeHaan, Murphy are SB's "pet projects", I doubt he trades them Bqovist, Mitchell, Beaudin, Gilbert - shouldn't be traded, maybe Gilbert Seeler, Koko
I'm for trading out Saad, but it will leave a blank space in the roster. SB has been going after players with long terms in their contract. How about this trade
to NJ - Saad, Smith, 2nd rounder to Chicago - Palmieri, Coleman, late pick
that's 9.25m coming out, 6.45 coming in. All contracts ends at the same time (after 20-21). Palmieri and Saad is almost a wash. Palmieri is good defensively and has a higher goal average per year than Saad. NJ might go for this because of Saad's cups experience and hes younger than Palms (a year or two?). Coleman is another defensive forward that already has 22 goals this season. He is a late-bloomer (currently 28) but is better than Smith. NJ might want a young Dman, give them Gilbert or Beaudin (but ask for the Boqvist brother and/or a lower pick going to them)
possible lines; Kubalik - Toews - Caggs Dcat- Strome - Coleman Palmieri - Dach - Kane Carp - Kampf - Nylander
you can switch Kuba/Palmieri if needed
possible lines; Kubalik - Toews - KANEDcat- Strome - KANEPalmieri - Dach - Kane Carp - Kampf - KANE
There, fixed it for you. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 14, 2020 19:59:44 GMT -6
I think the worst thing right now would be another 2-3 game winning streak. This team will not make the playoffs and I’d hope Stan is ready to start selling. Like sell everything not nailed down with a NMC. I really don’t see the point to giving up assets to try and go for broke, cuz we will go broke. What will happen is we will end up not making the playoffs, and have less assets to move forward, it’s a double edged sword covered in fece’s. We need to steer clear of that path. I think we could get a nice draft pick from the Bruins ( 1st) and also a decent prospect for Saad. If we retained half his salary, we’d be able to probably get 2 first rounders for him as the Bruins would be able to go for it for 2 years. Also I’ve heard many rumours of the Bruins wanting to move Krug. In that case I’d give them Saad, Gustafsson for Krug, a 1st rounder and the Hawks retain salary on both. Even if we have to throw in Sikura or another redundant prospect, so be it!!! Krug is going to eat up more capspace and I doubt SB is looking for a Dman.
I doubt he trades for a Dman because the team is loaded with it; Keith and Seabs are not going anywhere Maatta, DeHaan, Murphy are SB's "pet projects", I doubt he trades them Bqovist, Mitchell, Beaudin, Gilbert - shouldn't be traded, maybe Gilbert Seeler, Koko
I'm for trading out Saad, but it will leave a blank space in the roster. SB has been going after players with long terms in their contract. How about this trade
to NJ - Saad, Smith, 2nd rounder to Chicago - Palmieri, Coleman, late pick
that's 9.25m coming out, 6.45 coming in. All contracts ends at the same time (after 20-21). Palmieri and Saad is almost a wash. Palmieri is good defensively and has a higher goal average per year than Saad. NJ might go for this because of Saad's cups experience and hes younger than Palms (a year or two?). Coleman is another defensive forward that already has 22 goals this season. He is a late-bloomer (currently 28) but is better than Smith. NJ might want a young Dman, give them Gilbert or Beaudin (but ask for the Boqvist brother and/or a lower pick going to them)
possible lines; Kubalik - Toews - Caggs Dcat- Strome - Coleman Palmieri - Dach - Kane Carp - Kampf - Nylander
you can switch Kuba/Palmieri if needed
I just don’t think that helps either team very much. Hawks need youth and picks for a rebuild, Palmieri is not needed here at all. We have our vets. The rebuild is on here, whether we like it or not. Hopefully Stan doesn’t make any moves, cuz that probably means the org has put handcuffs on him and he’ll be gone at the seasons end. But absolutely no lateral moves are needed at this point. We need moves for youth and picks. Something Stan isn’t all that versed in!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 14, 2020 20:33:04 GMT -6
I'll pass on the NJ trade, that doesn't seem like a great return for Saad, plus we don't have a 2nd rounder this year. i want picks and prospects for trades, personally.
maybe on Krug, I guess the last sharty d-man we got is doin ok.... but he is oft injured the past couple seasons it seems, so I would be wary of that. he is also an ufa after the season. I'd rather have a first rounder or two from the B's myself.
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 14, 2020 21:51:07 GMT -6
I would like to see a lot more go before Saad , I think he will be hard to replace,
It bugs me Stan is sitting all this money,for this year,why he doesn't get an expiring contract, of a team against the cap,
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Post by tincup on Feb 14, 2020 22:02:55 GMT -6
How about Carolina as a destination for Lehner. Mrazek’s numbers are a little off. I’d take him back in return and maybe target Bokk as part of it.
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 14, 2020 22:14:16 GMT -6
How about Carolina as a destination for Lehner. Mrazek’s numbers are a little off. I’d take him back in return and maybe target Bokk as part of it. gotta' say i was thinking about a mrazek/lehner swap also as a possibility but never considered who else the 'canes would send back. |
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Post by tincup on Feb 14, 2020 22:22:17 GMT -6
How about Carolina as a destination for Lehner. Mrazek’s numbers are a little off. I’d take him back in return and maybe target Bokk as part of it. gotta' say i was thinking about a mrazek/lehner swap also as a possibility but never considered who else the 'canes would send back. I liked Bokk’s performance at the WJC’s. A late first rounder that St. Louis traded to the ‘Canes. Second line potential as a RW. Mrazek has one year left at $3 million and change. If you sign Crawford for one more that’s a pretty good tandem until they figure out which Icehogs goalie is worth promoting. Mind you, Tompkins and Delia are both signed past this season and Lankinen, still my favourite, is RFA. So maybe the organization has already made up their mind on who to keep. |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 15, 2020 1:13:01 GMT -6
How about Carolina as a destination for Lehner. Mrazek’s numbers are a little off. I’d take him back in return and maybe target Bokk as part of it. gotta' say i was thinking about a mrazek/lehner swap also as a possibility but never considered who else the 'canes would send back. Maybe add a 2nd rounder with mrazek, conditional to 1st if Canes wins the east. Also, isnt Reimer doing better statisticly than Mrazek? |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 15, 2020 1:17:31 GMT -6
I'll pass on the NJ trade, that doesn't seem like a great return for Saad, plus we don't have a 2nd rounder this year. i want picks and prospects for trades, personally. maybe on Krug, I guess the last sharty d-man we got is doin ok.... but he is oft injured the past couple seasons it seems, so I would be wary of that. he is also an ufa after the season. I'd rather have a first rounder or two from the B's myself. Cant just trade Saad for picks/prospects. There is literally no one in the roster that would take his place. It will sink the team further down next season. The NJ idea is a 2-for-1 with extra capspace earned, potentially making the team better, not a rebuild type of trade. Funny thing, i suggested the same trade in a NJ board and they all said that its too much for Saad lol |
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Post by BigT on Feb 15, 2020 4:03:18 GMT -6
How about Carolina as a destination for Lehner. Mrazek’s numbers are a little off. I’d take him back in return and maybe target Bokk as part of it. gotta' say i was thinking about a mrazek/lehner swap also as a possibility but never considered who else the 'canes would send back. Is it this year that the Kanes have an extra first rounder? The one from Toronta for Marleau? If so, we could easily get that first rounder from them, or one of the two. Toronta’s first rounder may indeed be a lotto pick!!! |
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Post by BigT on Feb 15, 2020 4:10:52 GMT -6
I'll pass on the NJ trade, that doesn't seem like a great return for Saad, plus we don't have a 2nd rounder this year. i want picks and prospects for trades, personally. maybe on Krug, I guess the last sharty d-man we got is doin ok.... but he is oft injured the past couple seasons it seems, so I would be wary of that. he is also an ufa after the season. I'd rather have a first rounder or two from the B's myself. Cant just trade Saad for picks/prospects. There is literally no one in the roster that would take his place. It will sink the team further down next season. The NJ idea is a 2-for-1 with extra capspace earned, potentially making the team better, not a rebuild type of trade. Funny thing, i suggested the same trade in a NJ board and they all said that its too much for Saad lol I think that’s the point Squish. We need to sink down and stop being mediocre. Go to the bottom get a couple high picks, and rise back up. We have to stop thinking about how to make the playoffs, and how to properly rebuild. Getting trades like that NJ one is a race to the bottom. It’s not a bad trade per se, just not what we need at all, or NJ. We both need picks and prospects. Right now the “sexy” moves will have to wait for another year, we need first rounders. Boston traded a lot of their guys like Lucic Siedenberg etc and had 3 first rounders in 15 and a few second rounders over the course of a couple years and rebuilt through the draft with guys like Mcavoy, Debrusk, Carlo and a few others, and now they’re back on top. We need to do the same. We have a solid opportunity to get 2-3 more first rounders this year, it’s a deep draft and it’s time to take advantage of it!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 15, 2020 8:44:14 GMT -6
Cant just trade Saad for picks/prospects. There is literally no one in the roster that would take his place. It will sink the team further down next season. The NJ idea is a 2-for-1 with extra capspace earned, potentially making the team better, not a rebuild type of trade. Funny thing, i suggested the same trade in a NJ board and they all said that its too much for Saad lol I think that’s the point Squish. We need to sink down and stop being mediocre. Go to the bottom get a couple high picks, and rise back up. We have to stop thinking about how to make the playoffs, and how to properly rebuild. Getting trades like that NJ one is a race to the bottom. It’s not a bad trade per se, just not what we need at all, or NJ. We both need picks and prospects. Right now the “sexy” moves will have to wait for another year, we need first rounders. Boston traded a lot of their guys like Lucic Siedenberg etc and had 3 first rounders in 15 and a few second rounders over the course of a couple years and rebuilt through the draft with guys like Mcavoy, Debrusk, Carlo and a few others, and now they’re back on top. We need to do the same. We have a solid opportunity to get 2-3 more first rounders this year, it’s a deep draft and it’s time to take advantage of it!!! As much as I want to see the vets get another shot in the postseason and as valuable that experience would be for guys like D-Cat,Dach,Boqvist,Strome and Kubalik,I see almost no chance of advancing so I reluctantly agree with you. You n me ain't leading the SB fan club and I still see a lack of quality forward prospects but Ol' Stanbo did pretty well with a few recent high picks and you'd think he'd want more. It's still hard to wrap my head around any GM trading his own 1st round,D-man who made the league at 19 for such a paltry return.....Joker's seein' 22mins+ now. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 15, 2020 9:31:28 GMT -6
Cant just trade Saad for picks/prospects. There is literally no one in the roster that would take his place. It will sink the team further down next season. The NJ idea is a 2-for-1 with extra capspace earned, potentially making the team better, not a rebuild type of trade. Funny thing, i suggested the same trade in a NJ board and they all said that its too much for Saad lol I think that’s the point Squish. We need to sink down and stop being mediocre. Go to the bottom get a couple high picks, and rise back up. We have to stop thinking about how to make the playoffs, and how to properly rebuild. Getting trades like that NJ one is a race to the bottom. It’s not a bad trade per se, just not what we need at all, or NJ. We both need picks and prospects. Right now the “sexy” moves will have to wait for another year, we need first rounders. Boston traded a lot of their guys like Lucic Siedenberg etc and had 3 first rounders in 15 and a few second rounders over the course of a couple years and rebuilt through the draft with guys like Mcavoy, Debrusk, Carlo and a few others, and now they’re back on top. We need to do the same. We have a solid opportunity to get 2-3 more first rounders this year, it’s a deep draft and it’s time to take advantage of it!!! T: I am not disagreeing with you. In fact, I probably agree, but I would like your opinion on how the rebuild would handle the problem of the young draft picks not developing at a fast enough rate to play well while Kane and Toews still have something left to give. I'll use Dach as an example. He is fine player for a 18-19 year old and shows he can hang in there. But, look at his stats and his point total is nowhere. How far is he away from 25 goals and 40 assists? Hard for me to believe that any 2020 draft picks will come right in and contribute to a team that will not only make the playoffs, but have a realistic chance of advancing. Meanwhile, the young guys on other teams will be moving into their 3rd, 4th and 5th years in the league and playing well. Besides, they aren't going to be able to draft anyone like Kane, Toews or Keith who will start making serious contributions in their 2d or 3rd years. Look at DCat, what's up with him this year? I never felt he was a playmaker. I always he thought he benefited mostly from getting set up well, but he also had a great shot to finish it up. As you, I do think they have no real alternative except to flop and get good draft picks. But, I wonder how this team could ever see the young draft picks develop fast enough to take advantage of whatever it is that Toews and Kane have left. I also have a hard time believing the draft picks will carry the team without Kane and Toews, as, to me, DCat has proven this year. What do you think? |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 15, 2020 10:48:33 GMT -6
Cant just trade Saad for picks/prospects. There is literally no one in the roster that would take his place. It will sink the team further down next season. The NJ idea is a 2-for-1 with extra capspace earned, potentially making the team better, not a rebuild type of trade. Funny thing, i suggested the same trade in a NJ board and they all said that its too much for Saad lol I think that’s the point Squish. We need to sink down and stop being mediocre. Go to the bottom get a couple high picks, and rise back up. We have to stop thinking about how to make the playoffs, and how to properly rebuild. Getting trades like that NJ one is a race to the bottom. It’s not a bad trade per se, just not what we need at all, or NJ. We both need picks and prospects. Right now the “sexy” moves will have to wait for another year, we need first rounders. Boston traded a lot of their guys like Lucic Siedenberg etc and had 3 first rounders in 15 and a few second rounders over the course of a couple years and rebuilt through the draft with guys like Mcavoy, Debrusk, Carlo and a few others, and now they’re back on top. We need to do the same. We have a solid opportunity to get 2-3 more first rounders this year, it’s a deep draft and it’s time to take advantage of it!!! Yea, i understand completely what youre going for. For me, a real rebuild will take another 2-3 yrs. ME, i dont like seeing them tanking, just me. But youre probably more right on this one. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 15, 2020 11:21:58 GMT -6
I think that’s the point Squish. We need to sink down and stop being mediocre. Go to the bottom get a couple high picks, and rise back up. We have to stop thinking about how to make the playoffs, and how to properly rebuild. Getting trades like that NJ one is a race to the bottom. It’s not a bad trade per se, just not what we need at all, or NJ. We both need picks and prospects. Right now the “sexy” moves will have to wait for another year, we need first rounders. Boston traded a lot of their guys like Lucic Siedenberg etc and had 3 first rounders in 15 and a few second rounders over the course of a couple years and rebuilt through the draft with guys like Mcavoy, Debrusk, Carlo and a few others, and now they’re back on top. We need to do the same. We have a solid opportunity to get 2-3 more first rounders this year, it’s a deep draft and it’s time to take advantage of it!!! T: I am not disagreeing with you. In fact, I probably agree, but I would like your opinion on how the rebuild would handle the problem of the young draft picks not developing at a fast enough rate to play well while Kane and Toews still have something left to give. I'll use Dach as an example. He is fine player for a 18-19 year old and shows he can hang in there. But, look at his stats and his point total is nowhere. How far is he away from 25 goals and 40 assists? Hard for me to believe that any 2020 draft picks will come right in and contribute to a team that will not only make the playoffs, but have a realistic chance of advancing. Meanwhile, the young guys on other teams will be moving into their 3rd, 4th and 5th years in the league and playing well. Besides, they aren't going to be able to draft anyone like Kane, Toews or Keith who will start making serious contributions in their 2d or 3rd years. Look at DCat, what's up with him this year? I never felt he was a playmaker. I always he thought he benefited mostly from getting set up well, but he also had a great shot to finish it up. As you, I do think they have no real alternative except to flop and get good draft picks. But, I wonder how this team could ever see the young draft picks develop fast enough to take advantage of whatever it is that Toews and Kane have left. I also have a hard time believing the draft picks will carry the team without Kane and Toews, as, to me, DCat has proven this year. What do you think? I guess the simple answer is this.... it doesn’t matter what the timeline is for the kids to develop, they’ll develop as they do. I believe it’s easier with guys that have been there done that. Look at Van. They seem to have turned the corner pretty quick. I think the fantasy of Toews and Kane leading this team to another Cup is over. I know it’s sold like that, and the media hype them. Reality is the team isn’t very good, and a better reality is this, are Strome and Dcat gonna be viable players moving forward? Especially Strome? Strome has had maybe 60-65 good NHL games so far and he’s already 23. I think Hawks fans may even be worse than Leaves fans when it comes to buying the hype. There’s only one way outta this mess, and that’s through the draft. We don’t need pick number 5 or 9. We need number one or 2. Time to tank and have a solid player to build around!!! |
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Post by BigT on Feb 15, 2020 11:24:16 GMT -6
I think that’s the point Squish. We need to sink down and stop being mediocre. Go to the bottom get a couple high picks, and rise back up. We have to stop thinking about how to make the playoffs, and how to properly rebuild. Getting trades like that NJ one is a race to the bottom. It’s not a bad trade per se, just not what we need at all, or NJ. We both need picks and prospects. Right now the “sexy” moves will have to wait for another year, we need first rounders. Boston traded a lot of their guys like Lucic Siedenberg etc and had 3 first rounders in 15 and a few second rounders over the course of a couple years and rebuilt through the draft with guys like Mcavoy, Debrusk, Carlo and a few others, and now they’re back on top. We need to do the same. We have a solid opportunity to get 2-3 more first rounders this year, it’s a deep draft and it’s time to take advantage of it!!! Yea, i understand completely what youre going for. For me, a real rebuild will take another 2-3 yrs. ME, i dont like seeing them tanking, just me. But youre probably more right on this one. Don’t forget, we are more than likely 50-55% through a rebuild. We just need 2 more years and we’ll be more than fine!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 14:25:00 GMT -6
My 2 cents, which may not meet with much approval. The worst things that could happen is either the Hawks make the playoffs, or they tank and end up with another high draft pick. The only way Bowman goes is if the Hawks just miss the playoffs, leaving them with a less then ideal draft position. That would likely be the best case scenario for brass saying enough is enough and giving Bowman/Colliton walking papers. Bowman can always earn some extra money in other ways: www.athletespeakers.com/speaker/stan-bowman |
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Post by tincup on Feb 15, 2020 14:30:58 GMT -6
gotta' say i was thinking about a mrazek/lehner swap also as a possibility but never considered who else the 'canes would send back. Is it this year that the Kanes have an extra first rounder? The one from Toronta for Marleau? If so, we could easily get that first rounder from them, or one of the two. Toronta’s first rounder may indeed be a lotto pick!!! Had to look it up. If the Toronto pick is top 10 it slides to ‘21. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 15, 2020 18:14:25 GMT -6
that piece of pie is getting smaller every day.
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 15, 2020 18:28:27 GMT -6
that piece of pie is getting smaller every day. That's OK, we got too FAT and full (of ourselves) the last 10 years. |
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 15, 2020 18:54:21 GMT -6
Was getting excited, about this team a week ago , now I'M just pissed off lol
Hope we get lucky at the draft
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Post by hsbob on Feb 15, 2020 20:15:38 GMT -6
T: I am not disagreeing with you. In fact, I probably agree, but I would like your opinion on how the rebuild would handle the problem of the young draft picks not developing at a fast enough rate to play well while Kane and Toews still have something left to give. I'll use Dach as an example. He is fine player for a 18-19 year old and shows he can hang in there. But, look at his stats and his point total is nowhere. How far is he away from 25 goals and 40 assists? Hard for me to believe that any 2020 draft picks will come right in and contribute to a team that will not only make the playoffs, but have a realistic chance of advancing. Meanwhile, the young guys on other teams will be moving into their 3rd, 4th and 5th years in the league and playing well. Besides, they aren't going to be able to draft anyone like Kane, Toews or Keith who will start making serious contributions in their 2d or 3rd years. Look at DCat, what's up with him this year? I never felt he was a playmaker. I always he thought he benefited mostly from getting set up well, but he also had a great shot to finish it up. As you, I do think they have no real alternative except to flop and get good draft picks. But, I wonder how this team could ever see the young draft picks develop fast enough to take advantage of whatever it is that Toews and Kane have left. I also have a hard time believing the draft picks will carry the team without Kane and Toews, as, to me, DCat has proven this year. What do you think? I guess the simple answer is this.... it doesn’t matter what the timeline is for the kids to develop, they’ll develop as they do. I believe it’s easier with guys that have been there done that. Look at Van. They seem to have turned the corner pretty quick. I think the fantasy of Toews and Kane leading this team to another Cup is over. I know it’s sold like that, and the media hype them. Reality is the team isn’t very good, and a better reality is this, are Strome and Dcat gonna be viable players moving forward? Especially Strome? Strome has had maybe 60-65 good NHL games so far and he’s already 23. I think Hawks fans may even be worse than Leaves fans when it comes to buying the hype. There’s only one way outta this mess, and that’s through the draft. We don’t need pick number 5 or 9. We need numb,then what chance do a coupkeer one or 2. Time to tank and have a solid player to build around!!! If Kane and Toews leading this team to another cup is fantasy(and it may be),then what chance do a few 18yros have of leading this team anywhere? If K&T are no longer able to lead the team,should they be moved? Hawk fans are worse that Leafe fans? Thought you were one of us. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 16, 2020 7:49:58 GMT -6
I guess the simple answer is this.... it doesn’t matter what the timeline is for the kids to develop, they’ll develop as they do. I believe it’s easier with guys that have been there done that. Look at Van. They seem to have turned the corner pretty quick. I think the fantasy of Toews and Kane leading this team to another Cup is over. I know it’s sold like that, and the media hype them. Reality is the team isn’t very good, and a better reality is this, are Strome and Dcat gonna be viable players moving forward? Especially Strome? Strome has had maybe 60-65 good NHL games so far and he’s already 23. I think Hawks fans may even be worse than Leaves fans when it comes to buying the hype. There’s only one way outta this mess, and that’s through the draft. We don’t need pick number 5 or 9. We need numb,then what chance do a coupkeer one or 2. Time to tank and have a solid player to build around!!! If Kane and Toews leading this team to another cup is fantasy(and it may be),then what chance do a few 18yros have of leading this team anywhere? If K&T are no longer able to lead the team,should they be moved? Hawk fans are worse that Leafe fans? Thought you were one of us. An 18 year old will not lead us anywhere. But when they’re 21/22/23 then we’re talking. It’s not that Toews and Kane cannot lead a team, just not this team. It needs rebuilding. All we’re doing here is chasing the dream that’s over. A lot of fans, and a lot of the media are spoiled and they believe whatever Stan says. Leaves fans do it too. They’re loyal as F***, but it’s of the blind variety. The media after last nights win will say, “if they can just sneak, they could upset someone’s and possibly get to the Cup”. I think that’s a pipe dream, and it leads to a bigger let down. I like to think realistically, now that doesn’t mean I’m wrong, but the Vegas odds pretty much say they’re done and they make a lot of money doing those things!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 16, 2020 9:28:52 GMT -6
If Kane and Toews leading this team to another cup is fantasy(and it may be),then what chance do a few 18yros have of leading this team anywhere? If K&T are no longer able to lead the team,should they be moved? Hawk fans are worse that Leafe fans? Thought you were one of us. An 18 year old will not lead us anywhere. But when they’re 21/22/23 then we’re talking. It’s not that Toews and Kane cannot lead a team, just not this team. It needs rebuilding. All we’re doing here is chasing the dream that’s over. A lot of fans, and a lot of the media are spoiled and they believe whatever Stan says. Leaves fans do it too. They’re loyal as F***, but it’s of the blind variety. The media after last nights win will say, “if they can just sneak, they could upset someone’s and possibly get to the Cup”. I think that’s a pipe dream, and it leads to a bigger let down. I like to think realistically, now that doesn’t mean I’m wrong, but the Vegas odds pretty much say they’re done and they make a lot of money doing those things!!! I'm not disagreeing with any of your ideas for the team's future T,just playing devil's advocate here. K&T.....I've had some stones thrown at me for unwavering support of both but both are still players who can impact games in a big way,if not taken em over. JT's been a monster most nights this year,I watch him intently......I need no one to agree with me although you probably do. His assists are on last year's pace since he's had a goal scorer on his line and sure,he should have a handful more goals...….he should also have a set up man. DC and Kubs have been very effective at their roles and their play has invigorated our captain. Who's led this team to glory the last decade? I'd say the guy who Kubalik pointed to after he finished another sweet dish and the guy Saad pointed to after he finished his last night......that's who. Will some fans get back into playoff 'hopes' mode after last night? I think that happens in a lot of NHL cities but at least the 'city by the lake' has seen a few recent parades. You know I'm not thrilled with the direction of the team myself and here we are,three games before the TDL and not sure what that direction is yet. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 16, 2020 12:55:53 GMT -6
An 18 year old will not lead us anywhere. But when they’re 21/22/23 then we’re talking. It’s not that Toews and Kane cannot lead a team, just not this team. It needs rebuilding. All we’re doing here is chasing the dream that’s over. A lot of fans, and a lot of the media are spoiled and they believe whatever Stan says. Leaves fans do it too. They’re loyal as F***, but it’s of the blind variety. The media after last nights win will say, “if they can just sneak, they could upset someone’s and possibly get to the Cup”. I think that’s a pipe dream, and it leads to a bigger let down. I like to think realistically, now that doesn’t mean I’m wrong, but the Vegas odds pretty much say they’re done and they make a lot of money doing those things!!! I'm not disagreeing with any of your ideas for the team's future T,just playing devil's advocate here. K&T.....I've had some stones thrown at me for unwavering support of both but both are still players who can impact games in a big way,if not taken em over. JT's been a monster most nights this year,I watch him intently......I need no one to agree with me although you probably do. His assists are on last year's pace since he's had a goal scorer on his line and sure,he should have a handful more goals...….he should also have a set up man. DC and Kubs have been very effective at their roles and their play has invigorated our captain. Who's led this team to glory the last decade? I'd say the guy who Kubalik pointed to after he finished another sweet dish and the guy Saad pointed to after he finished his last night......that's who. Will some fans get back into playoff 'hopes' mode after last night? I think that happens in a lot of NHL cities but at least the 'city by the lake' has seen a few recent parades. You know I'm not thrilled with the direction of the team myself and here we are,three games before the TDL and not sure what that direction is yet. Very fair. And I’ve been riding shotgun with you on the direction. We both know the money last summer should have been spent better. This is just another wasted opportunity and our duo will be 33 next year. They’re not ancient, and if done properly, in 3 years time when they’re 35, I truly think the team can be built back up and ready to go. That’s 2-3 years we have to get the ship right. I still feel Toews and especially Kane can be good for another few years. They’re gonna need top talent around them and a change in philosophy. I really feel that the team can be back quickly. The rebuild is more than likely 55% of the way complete with kids like Dach, Boqvist, Mitchell, Kubalik, Dcat, Strome. Now add in a four more first rounders over the next 2 years and some prospects from trades. I believe this could be built up super quick and it would surprise a lot of people!!! |
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 16, 2020 13:14:51 GMT -6
I'm not disagreeing with any of your ideas for the team's future T,just playing devil's advocate here. K&T.....I've had some stones thrown at me for unwavering support of both but both are still players who can impact games in a big way,if not taken em over. JT's been a monster most nights this year,I watch him intently......I need no one to agree with me although you probably do. His assists are on last year's pace since he's had a goal scorer on his line and sure,he should have a handful more goals...….he should also have a set up man. DC and Kubs have been very effective at their roles and their play has invigorated our captain. Who's led this team to glory the last decade? I'd say the guy who Kubalik pointed to after he finished another sweet dish and the guy Saad pointed to after he finished his last night......that's who. Will some fans get back into playoff 'hopes' mode after last night? I think that happens in a lot of NHL cities but at least the 'city by the lake' has seen a few recent parades. You know I'm not thrilled with the direction of the team myself and here we are,three games before the TDL and not sure what that direction is yet. Very fair. And I’ve been riding shotgun with you on the direction. We both know the money last summer should have been spent better. This is just another wasted opportunity and our duo will be 33 next year. They’re not ancient, and if done properly, in 3 years time when they’re 35, I truly think the team can be built back up and ready to go. That’s 2-3 years we have to get the ship right. I still feel Toews and especially Kane can be good for another few years. They’re gonna we’d top talent around them and a change in philosophy. I really feel that the team can be back quickly. The rebuild is more than likely 55% of the way complete with kids like Dach, Boqvist, Mitchell, Kubalik, Dcat, Strome. Now add in a four more first rounders over the next 2 years and some prospects from trades. I believe this could be built up super quick and it would surprise a lot of people!!! What you guy's say is correct, the big But is not who we draft, I have good faith in the scouts,is what that Bone Head Stan does in the trades that scare me , we've been sitting on over ten mill, since seabs and Hann went out, and all he has done is sit on it, I'm sure some one could have used quick cap relief for the year, and maybe he was told to sit on it I don't know,LOL he might fool us all and trade gus,smith,carp, and Hann at the draft , fellow can always dream, especially after the week he just had |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 16, 2020 23:12:31 GMT -6
Holy crap, NJ just got a 1st rounder and a prospect for Coleman. I guess i was underestimating his value. TB is going to be in caphell next season. I would try and go after Cirelli.
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