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Post by doogiew on Feb 18, 2020 16:47:52 GMT -6
The Hawks should see some highly touted young Dmen. So there is hoped regardless on defense no matter who is dealt in goal the return should be good. I think Crow has a NMC.
So who does SB trade first well Gus duh. None other tha Duncan Kieth is rumored to have said he might move to another team. I just heard it today on a sports station show. A 23 minute Dman of his stature does come available often.
Take care of the offense in the off season unless less you get a great offer.
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 18, 2020 17:11:39 GMT -6
The Kings got crap back when I see the return Coleman and Zucker brought......nice move for the Nucks. We only get long term gain if the right trades are made and the right players are picked in the draft...….right? The short term pain is goin' on three years now. don't expect to get a haul from trading Lehner. Both Coleman and Zucker are not UFAs after this season. They both have cap-friendly long term deal (at least for Zucker). Coleman is only making 1.8 and wont expire until after next season.
I doubt many would give a lot for a rental. I think we'd get a 1st rounder for Lehner if there are salary/caphit retained. Saad might get more than Lehner
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 18, 2020 19:19:58 GMT -6
Reading all these suggestions does one thing for me and I say this without any intent to criticize anyone's suggestion because I am not doing that. Also, what I will say is not intended to make any substantive contribution because I can't do that either. But, all the different suggestions and uncertainties confirm for me what a mess this team is, although as a result of the fact that there is a pack this year chowing down on the downed deer, they might still get a bite at the tenderloin. Otherwise, they are such a mess that it is near impossible to determine how to make them the alpha wolf.
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Post by vadarx on Feb 18, 2020 20:06:40 GMT -6
with toffoli going to Van and not Boston or st loo, I would expect that one Brandon Saad (perhaps with a little salary retained) would be worth a pretty penny before the deadline. I'm 50/50 on moving him before others, but obviously we should listen to offers.
Lehner probably will not bring as much back, his ufa status being previously mentioned, but imo anything he brings back is a win for a guy we probably aren't going to bring back next season. retain some salary and he might turn into a good return.
Smith is going nowhere, he has a m-ntc this season and next. I anticipate he will be skating on the 4th line and pk again next season.
Maata is someone we should listen to offers for, but I don't see him being moved. Keith (if the rumors are true) is someone I would only trade if he asked to be traded, otherwise you keep him. Gus should obviously be traded as soon as possible for whatever we can get for him.
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Post by tincup on Feb 18, 2020 20:27:27 GMT -6
The Hawks should see some highly touted young Dmen. So there is hoped regardless on defense no matter who is dealt in goal the return should be good. I think Crow has a NMC. So who does SB trade first well Gus duh. None other tha Duncan Kieth is rumored to have said he might move to another team. I just heard it today on a sports station show. A 23 minute Dman of his stature does come available often. Take care of the offense in the off season unless less you get a great offer. I watched the Keith interview on HNIC AfterHours. While very noncommittal when asked about being moved he did seem to be leaning towards preferring to stay and have another shot with the Hawks. He didn’t strike me as that interested in Cup chasing with another club. He also mentioned his great friendship with Seabrook though, even their kids hang out, so a lot may be how Seabrook is handled by management going forward. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 18, 2020 20:32:31 GMT -6
The Hawks should see some highly touted young Dmen. So there is hoped regardless on defense no matter who is dealt in goal the return should be good. I think Crow has a NMC. So who does SB trade first well Gus duh. None other tha Duncan Kieth is rumored to have said he might move to another team. I just heard it today on a sports station show. A 23 minute Dman of his stature does come available often. Take care of the offense in the off season unless less you get a great offer. I watched the Keith interview on HNIC AfterHours. While very noncommittal when asked about being moved he did seem to be leaning towards preferring to stay and have another shot with the Hawks. He didn’t strike me as that interested in Cup chasing with another club. He also mentioned his great friendship with Seabrook though, even their kids hang out, so a lot may be how Seabrook is handled by management going forward.  Here they are. |
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Post by tincup on Feb 18, 2020 20:42:46 GMT -6
I watched the Keith interview on HNIC AfterHours. While very noncommittal when asked about being moved he did seem to be leaning towards preferring to stay and have another shot with the Hawks. He didn’t strike me as that interested in Cup chasing with another club. He also mentioned his great friendship with Seabrook though, even their kids hang out, so a lot may be how Seabrook is handled by management going forward. Here they are. Now that’s pretty cute. They showed the two of them on HNIC , they’re somewhat older now but still preschool. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 18, 2020 21:48:19 GMT -6
don't expect to get a haul from trading Lehner. Both Coleman and Zucker are not UFAs after this season. They both have cap-friendly long term deal (at least for Zucker). Coleman is only making 1.8 and wont expire until after next season.
I doubt many would give a lot for a rental. I think we'd get a 1st rounder for Lehner if there are salary/caphit retained. Saad might get more than Lehner
There can't be any salary or cap hit retained since he is UFA July 1. Now there could be a clause that what team he is traded too the return draft pick will depend if that team signs Lehner during off season. The Hawks can retain up to 50% of Lehner’s remaining salary for this season. So if they trade him, and 3/4 has already been paid. Or 3.75 of the 5 million. They can retain 50% of the remaining 1.25, or 612.5k!!! |
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Post by BigT on Feb 18, 2020 21:58:30 GMT -6
The Hawks should see some highly touted young Dmen. So there is hoped regardless on defense no matter who is dealt in goal the return should be good. I think Crow has a NMC. So who does SB trade first well Gus duh. None other tha Duncan Kieth is rumored to have said he might move to another team. I just heard it today on a sports station show. A 23 minute Dman of his stature does come available often. Take care of the offense in the off season unless less you get a great offer. I watched the Keith interview on HNIC AfterHours. While very noncommittal when asked about being moved he did seem to be leaning towards preferring to stay and have another shot with the Hawks. He didn’t strike me as that interested in Cup chasing with another club. He also mentioned his great friendship with Seabrook though, even their kids hang out, so a lot may be how Seabrook is handled by management going forward. I doubt that Keith goes, especially in season. And rightly so. He’s earned this right and he should use it the way he likes. I actually can see Keith playing out his contract. So he has 3 years left, and I don’t see him quitting during the contract. No use uprooting to chase another Cup, I think he’s much more valuable if he stays!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 19, 2020 8:48:44 GMT -6
Reading all these suggestions does one thing for me and I say this without any intent to criticize anyone's suggestion because I am not doing that. Also, what I will say is not intended to make any substantive contribution because I can't do that either. But, all the different suggestions and uncertainties confirm for me what a mess this team is, although as a result of the fact that there is a pack this year chowing down on the downed deer, they might still get a bite at the tenderloin. Otherwise, they are such a mess that it is near impossible to determine how to make them the alpha wolf. I love when you wax poetic jack!LOL! The suggestions are interesting and make for good hockey banter and you contribute your share of it around here. I can't take exception to your characterization of the team being a "mess"......it is a bit of a mess. Stayin' on top is a tall order but other teams have done it. The only analogy I can think of as far as the wolf enjoying his kill,is the 'gut pile' left over.....I see little tenderloin but a little's better than none I guess. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 19, 2020 9:19:57 GMT -6
Reading all these suggestions does one thing for me and I say this without any intent to criticize anyone's suggestion because I am not doing that. Also, what I will say is not intended to make any substantive contribution because I can't do that either. But, all the different suggestions and uncertainties confirm for me what a mess this team is, although as a result of the fact that there is a pack this year chowing down on the downed deer, they might still get a bite at the tenderloin. Otherwise, they are such a mess that it is near impossible to determine how to make them the alpha wolf. I love when you wax poetic jack!LOL! The suggestions are interesting and make for good hockey banter and you contribute your share of it around here. I can't take exception to your characterization of the team being a "mess"......it is a bit of a mess. Stayin' on top is a tall order but other teams have done it. The only analogy I can think of as far as the wolf enjoying his kill,is the 'gut pile' left over.....I see little tenderloin but a little's better than none I guess. I agree that speculating on what to do is good banter and a fun task. However, I was simply overwhelmed by all the different suggestions when I made my comment. The number of suggestions regarding all positions was an indicator to me that there are so many problems to solve that it is truly a mess. An unsolvable mess? Time will tell and that is about as poetic as I am going to get with this one. I hope they can figure it out as it is a lot more fun cheering for the Hawks than figuring out which team not from St. Louis I can cheer for in the upcoming playoffs. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 19, 2020 9:48:33 GMT -6
I love when you wax poetic jack!LOL! The suggestions are interesting and make for good hockey banter and you contribute your share of it around here. I can't take exception to your characterization of the team being a "mess"......it is a bit of a mess. Stayin' on top is a tall order but other teams have done it. The only analogy I can think of as far as the wolf enjoying his kill,is the 'gut pile' left over.....I see little tenderloin but a little's better than none I guess. I agree that speculating on what to do is good banter and a fun task. However, I was simply overwhelmed by all the different suggestions when I made my comment. The number of suggestions regarding all positions was an indicator to me that there are so many problems to solve that it is truly a mess. An unsolvable mess? Time will tell and that is about as poetic as I am going to get with this one. I hope they can figure it out as it is a lot more fun cheering for the Hawks than figuring out which team not from St. Louis I can cheer for in the upcoming playoffs. An unsolvable mess? That depends who's makin' the decisions going forward. I haven't done a lot of speculating on trades lately because I'm not sure if they're sellin' or buyin' and I'm still not sure if the FO is either with five days to go. I did speculate a lot last summer and the most of the moves made didn't work out,I don't have to speculate to see that. What has 8.5M,a 2nd and a 3rd done for the team with Shaw and de Haan unable to play? Both guys were damaged goods and the league knew it. AA had his 12th and 13th last night even though he missed the first 18 games,SB moved a legit NHL center for a 4th line wing to save a million bucks......what does that million bucks do for the team? Throw in the 'Joker' trade and the regression of good,young forwards like D-Cat and Strome and it's hard to have a lot of faith in our 'brain trust'! |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 19, 2020 15:34:24 GMT -6
don't expect to get a haul from trading Lehner. Both Coleman and Zucker are not UFAs after this season. They both have cap-friendly long term deal (at least for Zucker). Coleman is only making 1.8 and wont expire until after next season.
I doubt many would give a lot for a rental. I think we'd get a 1st rounder for Lehner if there are salary/caphit retained. Saad might get more than Lehner
since he is UFA July 1. Now there could be a clause that what team he is traded too the return draft pick will depend if that team signs Lehner during off season. no, they can. Just for the last months of this season. So teams don't have to take the full caphit and can fit him, the rest of this season
*edit- what T said above. LOL sorry, I didn't see it before I replied
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 19, 2020 17:50:53 GMT -6
I agree that speculating on what to do is good banter and a fun task. However, I was simply overwhelmed by all the different suggestions when I made my comment. The number of suggestions regarding all positions was an indicator to me that there are so many problems to solve that it is truly a mess. An unsolvable mess? Time will tell and that is about as poetic as I am going to get with this one. I hope they can figure it out as it is a lot more fun cheering for the Hawks than figuring out which team not from St. Louis I can cheer for in the upcoming playoffs. An unsolvable mess? That depends who's makin' the decisions going forward. I haven't done a lot of speculating on trades lately because I'm not sure if they're sellin' or buyin' and I'm still not sure if the FO is either with five days to go. I did speculate a lot last summer and the most of the moves made didn't work out,I don't have to speculate to see that. What has 8.5M,a 2nd and a 3rd done for the team with Shaw and de Haan unable to play? Both guys were damaged goods and the league knew it. AA had his 12th and 13th last night even though he missed the first 18 games,SB moved a legit NHL center for a 4th line wing to save a million bucks......what does that million bucks do for the team? Throw in the 'Joker' trade and the regression of good,young forwards like D-Cat and Strome and it's hard to have a lot of faith in our 'brain trust'! You make an excellent point about AA as well as the other last summer moves which you have criticized previously. Maybe it is not an unsolvable mess with the right GM, but this one sure doesn't seem to inspire much confidence. Maybe some of the younger guys are better than they have shown so far, but they are young. However, I just can't see them playing like Kane, Toews, Keith and Seabrook played in their early years and that makes it hard for me to see them carry the team. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 19, 2020 18:24:12 GMT -6
rumblings out there in twitterville that the knights are interested in gus and the avs are looking at crow.
not quite rumors really...just rumblings.
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Post by vadarx on Feb 19, 2020 18:54:26 GMT -6
rumblings out there in twitterville that the knights are interested in gus and the avs are looking at crow. not quite rumors really...just rumblings. interesting..... I'm glad to hear that anyone is interested in Gus, we need another 2nd or 3rd rounder to make up for the Shaw trade now (which I liked when it happened and still don't hate). as far as Crow to the Avs.... I dunno why they wouldn't prefer Lehner, personally. just my $0.02.... |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 19, 2020 22:43:08 GMT -6
rumblings out there in twitterville that the knights are interested in gus and the avs are looking at crow. not quite rumors really...just rumblings. Kings beat us to it,Martinez to LV for two 2nd's...….Stan's phone plugged in? |
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Post by BigT on Feb 19, 2020 22:53:31 GMT -6
rumblings out there in twitterville that the knights are interested in gus and the avs are looking at crow. not quite rumors really...just rumblings. Kings beat us to it,Martinez to LV for two 2nd's...….Stan's phone plugged in? You know what the worst is? A lot of people always say “how do we know Stan wasn’t in on a trade with the said team?”. Well, nothing ever gets done, or accomplished with the “rumblings” or “rumours”. At some point they would happen if he was ever involved. Every trade he makes starts off ok, then flames out and here we are again!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 19, 2020 23:01:44 GMT -6
Kings beat us to it,Martinez to LV for two 2nd's...….Stan's phone plugged in? You know what the worst is? A lot of people always say “how do we know Stan wasn’t in on a trade with the said team?”. Well, nothing ever gets done, or accomplished with the “rumblings” or “rumours”. At some point they would happen if he was ever involved. Every trade he makes starts off ok, then flames out and here we are again!!! And every time I've suggested a FA that signed reasonably elsewhere,I'm told "how do we know they wanted to come here"...…..if it's true and players no longer want to come here then we better see major changes and quick! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 19, 2020 23:14:27 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 19, 2020 23:18:49 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Feb 19, 2020 23:37:33 GMT -6
rumblings out there in twitterville that the knights are interested in gus and the avs are looking at crow. not quite rumors really...just rumblings. Kings beat us to it,Martinez to LV for two 2nd's...….Stan's phone plugged in? farking hell, man..... 2 seconds for Martinez..... that is crazy. we need to get in on this insanity pronto.... |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 20, 2020 9:51:33 GMT -6
rumblings out there in twitterville that the knights are interested in gus and the avs are looking at crow. not quite rumors really...just rumblings. Kings beat us to it,Martinez to LV for two 2nd's...….Stan's phone plugged in? don't make the hate make you unreasonable. if you were Vegas, would you give 2 second rounders for Gus? or for Martinez?
Anyway, Gus mentioned that not having a secure contract like Dcat signed in the offseason, affected his game (Strome said that same thing). Gus also mentioned that he is willing to take a paycut to stay in Chicago. His family lives here and loves it here.
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 20, 2020 11:41:00 GMT -6
rumblings out there in twitterville that the knights are interested in gus and the avs are looking at crow. not quite rumors really...just rumblings. interesting..... I'm glad to hear that anyone is interested in Gus, we need another 2nd or 3rd rounder to make up for the Shaw trade now (which I liked when it happened and still don't hate). as far as Crow to the Avs.... I dunno why they wouldn't prefer Lehner, personally. just my $0.02.... Assuming Crawford waives or it's on his 10-team list. Right now the underlying numbers are telling. Since the ASG Crawford in 5 games is posting a .922 SV% and Lehner in his 4 games is a .895 SV%. The other difference is the Team O has been converting at 11.45% Shooting percentage, while for Crawford it's only 4.42%. Thus, Crawford has recent great numbers to back it up, while the Avs would be taking a chance that Lehner's recent woes would end after a trade. Crawford looks like he's peaking at the right time, Lehner looks like he's choking. One could also make a good argument that if the Team O showed up for Crawford some of his losses recent would have been wins. As a 'hawk fan right now though? Lehner's recent play makes me question him getting his current salary in the UFA market--much less a non-sweetheart deal he wants. Meanwhile Crawford's been very decent. Next season I'm leaning more towards re-singing Crawford on something like a 2.5 for 2 and giving another young goalie a shot by being a 1B as opposed to signing Lehner high and long-term, especially since Kubalik has been great. I'm more game for Trying to palm Lehner off and get something for him, but who knows. I can say I have full confidence that Bowman the Lesser will manage to do the wrong thing. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Feb 20, 2020 14:50:22 GMT -6
interesting..... I'm glad to hear that anyone is interested in Gus, we need another 2nd or 3rd rounder to make up for the Shaw trade now (which I liked when it happened and still don't hate). as far as Crow to the Avs.... I dunno why they wouldn't prefer Lehner, personally. just my $0.02.... Assuming Crawford waives or it's on his 10-team list. Right now the underlying numbers are telling. Since the ASG Crawford in 5 games is posting a .922 SV% and Lehner in his 4 games is a .895 SV%. The other difference is the Team O has been converting at 11.45% Shooting percentage, while for Crawford it's only 4.42%. Thus, Crawford has recent great numbers to back it up, while the Avs would be taking a chance that Lehner's recent woes would end after a trade. Crawford looks like he's peaking at the right time, Lehner looks like he's choking. One could also make a good argument that if the Team O showed up for Crawford some of his losses recent would have been wins. As a 'hawk fan right now though? Lehner's recent play makes me question him getting his current salary in the UFA market--much less a non-sweetheart deal he wants. Meanwhile Crawford's been very decent. Next season I'm leaning more towards re-singing Crawford on something like a 2.5 for 2 and giving another young goalie a shot by being a 1B as opposed to signing Lehner high and long-term, especially since Kubalik has been great. I'm more game for Trying to palm Lehner off and get something for him, but who knows. I can say I have full confidence that Bowman the Lesser will manage to do the wrong thing. He can't screw up trading Lehner. Whatever he gets is good enough. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 20, 2020 15:26:17 GMT -6
Assuming Crawford waives or it's on his 10-team list. Right now the underlying numbers are telling. Since the ASG Crawford in 5 games is posting a .922 SV% and Lehner in his 4 games is a .895 SV%. The other difference is the Team O has been converting at 11.45% Shooting percentage, while for Crawford it's only 4.42%. Thus, Crawford has recent great numbers to back it up, while the Avs would be taking a chance that Lehner's recent woes would end after a trade. Crawford looks like he's peaking at the right time, Lehner looks like he's choking. One could also make a good argument that if the Team O showed up for Crawford some of his losses recent would have been wins. As a 'hawk fan right now though? Lehner's recent play makes me question him getting his current salary in the UFA market--much less a non-sweetheart deal he wants. Meanwhile Crawford's been very decent. Next season I'm leaning more towards re-singing Crawford on something like a 2.5 for 2 and giving another young goalie a shot by being a 1B as opposed to signing Lehner high and long-term, especially since Kubalik has been great. I'm more game for Trying to palm Lehner off and get something for him, but who knows. I can say I have full confidence that Bowman the Lesser will manage to do the wrong thing. He can't screw up trading Lehner. Whatever he gets is good enough. I think he could. Not on the aspect of trading Lehner for a used puck bag (Quenneville only scratched it on Sundays), but bringing cap in which is on the books for next year. Do you think he would sign a player who's high-cost-not-as-good-output or bringing back a retread with Lehner's cap? I can. IMHO we gotta make sure we have enough cap for a proven goalie (2.5-3M), and Kubalik. I think Stan can screw that up. |
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Post by doogiew on Feb 20, 2020 15:49:15 GMT -6
Stan can and will screw anything up just look how well his trades panned out the past off season. Speculation has the Hawks trading Keith to Florida should they lose Friday night and should Stan make such a trade you can bet he'll get handed his hat. Q may want Keith but no way Uncle Dale lets Stan win.Just about any team headed to the playoffs would give a 1st plus to have old Duncs play 25 minutes a game for him. They know they're dealing with Stanley though.
P.S Teams are looking for right hand Dmen So could possibly see some of them go.
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Post by hsbob on Feb 20, 2020 16:22:21 GMT -6
Kings beat us to it,Martinez to LV for two 2nd's...….Stan's phone plugged in? don't make the hate make you unreasonable. if you were Vegas, would you give 2 second rounders for Gus? or for Martinez?
Anyway, Gus mentioned that not having a secure contract like Dcat signed in the offseason, affected his game (Strome said that same thing). Gus also mentioned that he is willing to take a paycut to stay in Chicago. His family lives here and loves it here.
I was just noting a trade.....hateful and unreasonable? WTF? What's YOUR point,Gus is so worthless on the trade market that we should keep him? Playing in a contract year get's most guys goin',D-Cat's new deal didn't do anything for his play....did it? |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 20, 2020 17:51:53 GMT -6
don't make the hate make you unreasonable. if you were Vegas, would you give 2 second rounders for Gus? or for Martinez?
Anyway, Gus mentioned that not having a secure contract like Dcat signed in the offseason, affected his game (Strome said that same thing). Gus also mentioned that he is willing to take a paycut to stay in Chicago. His family lives here and loves it here.
I was just noting a trade.....hateful and unreasonable? WTF? What's YOUR point,Gus is so worthless on the trade market that we should keep him? Playing in a contract year get's most guys goin',D-Cat's new deal didn't do anything for his play....did it? hate is a strong word, sorry let me rephrase what i meant to say; dont make the dislike of SB (or wanting him gone) make you think that we would have received 2 second rounders for Gus (unreasonable) if only SB was on the phone with Vegas. But that wasnt your point, looking back, i can see where i misread you. my bad my second paragraph has nothing to do with the first one. I was just passing on interview notes i read in an article. He should be traded, he's not playing like he wants a new contract. But if what he says is true about taking a paycut, the possibility of him being re-sign becomes even more possible. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 20, 2020 19:35:59 GMT -6
Kings beat us to it,Martinez to LV for two 2nd's...….Stan's phone plugged in? don't make the hate make you unreasonable. if you were Vegas, would you give 2 second rounders for Gus? or for Martinez?
Anyway, Gus mentioned that not having a secure contract like Dcat signed in the offseason, affected his game (Strome said that same thing). Gus also mentioned that he is willing to take a paycut to stay in Chicago. His family lives here and loves it here.
I wouldn't trade 2 second rounders for either of them. I can't believe they gave up that much for Martinez. that being said, I hope he stays healthy for em and helps them challenge for the west. any opposition to the blows winning the west again is cool with me. my main annoyance is that they were interested and we didn't take whatever they offered for him. at this point we should take whatever we can get for him, he was a free agent signing to begin with and he is gone after this year for sure. we also need more draft picks. now there is one less team interested in him. as far as your second paragraph..... if Strome and Gus's seasons are being effected by a lack of an extension right now..... well, that just makes me want to give either of them an extension even less, although my desire to extend Gus is at 0%. Strome I would like to see brought back, but that comment kinda weakens that want. not having an extension should be motivating these guys, not holding them back.... |
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