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Post by vadarx on Feb 26, 2020 6:48:02 GMT -6
went back and looked at the past 2 seasons end of the year standings to compare them to this season.
2 years ago we finished 25th
last year we finished 20th
if the season ended today, we would finish.... 25th....
not exactly confidence building numbers, there.... still time to improve on our finish this year, but I would say chances are fair that we finish worse than we did last year.
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Post by vadarx on Feb 26, 2020 7:05:22 GMT -6
as an aside to that previous post, IF we do not finish this season with a better record than last season after all the talk about making the playoffs this year and all the money we had to improve the team last summer AND Stan and his boy wonder hire to replace the HOF coach we had are not shown the door, well.....
I will have lost the little faith that I have left that Rocky gives a shit about how well this team does anymore.
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 26, 2020 9:07:44 GMT -6
went back and looked at the past 2 seasons end of the year standings to compare them to this season. 2 years ago we finished 25th last year we finished 20th if the season ended today, we would finish.... 25th.... not exactly confidence building numbers, there.... still time to improve on our finish this year, but I would say chances are fair that we finish worse than we did last year. Thanks for the info. So, assuming that they were trying to become relevant and improve the team to be more competitive in the next year, or two, what do those numbers tell us about the chances of that happening? Shouldn't there be a gradual improvement each year as the team recovers from its demise? Or , are we to expect a sudden jump to relevance? Or would it be more realistic to expect continued mediocrity until Toews and Kane go away and then expect a trip to Red Wingville. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 26, 2020 10:06:05 GMT -6
went back and looked at the past 2 seasons end of the year standings to compare them to this season. 2 years ago we finished 25th last year we finished 20th if the season ended today, we would finish.... 25th.... not exactly confidence building numbers, there.... still time to improve on our finish this year, but I would say chances are fair that we finish worse than we did last year. Looking at the last 3 years also 19-20...25th...27-28-8 (currently) 18-19...20th...36-34-12 17-18...25th...33-39-10 16-17...3rd....50-23-9 Now let's see which is more the indicator as to where this team is/will be in the next few years. Is it wins/losses or standings? Are we trying to improve year to year? Overall standings kind of a misdirection IMO since it doesn't take into account other teams that may have 1 year hit wonders. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 26, 2020 10:31:54 GMT -6
Last summer was the summer SB had the picks and cap space that many said he never had before,let's explore.....
The picks look very good to good for a change after the #3 fell into our laps and Boqvist has a ways to go but might be a legit starter,other than that,all our prospects are yet to prove anything but a few do look good at their levels.
The cap space part of last summer is where things went off the rails and SB had 21M worth of it to squander along with a terrible,unforced error in trading his own 19yro,1st round D-man who the F does that?
Shaw and de Haan were 8.5M worth of damaged goods that didn't make the half way point of the season and this was a surprise to no one except SB.
Maata's OK at times and not at other times but that's another 4MX2 the team didn't have to spend if Joker is kept.....period. Boqvist will improve,Koek's been better,Gilbert wasn't bad at all and Carlsson looks ready possibly too with a few more young D-men in the pipe line...….gotta know what ya got!
Some disagree but IMO,trading a legit veteran center for a 4LW to save a million bucks was ridiculous and has resulted in Ryan Carpenter as the team's #2 center and that don't work against good teams.
Got a decent return for Lehner but committed another unforced error by not trading Gus last summer before he exposed himself further and most of us knew it.
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 26, 2020 14:23:12 GMT -6
Last summer was the summer SB had the picks and cap space that many said he never had before,let's explore..... The picks look very good to good for a change after the #3 fell into our laps and Boqvist has a ways to go but might be a legit starter,other than that,all our prospects are yet to prove anything but a few do look good at their levels. The cap space part of last summer is where things went off the rails and SB had 21M worth of it to squander along with a terrible,unforced error in trading his own 19yro,1st round D-man who the F does that? Shaw and de Haan were 8.5M worth of damaged goods that didn't make the half way point of the season and this was a surprise to no one except SB. Maata's OK at times and not at other times but that's another 4MX2 the team didn't have to spend if Joker is kept.....period. Boqvist will improve,Koek's been better,Gilbert wasn't bad at all and Carlsson looks ready possibly too with a few more young D-men in the pipe line...….gotta know what ya got! Some disagree but IMO,trading a legit veteran center for a 4LW to save a million bucks was ridiculous and has resulted in Ryan Carpenter as the team's #2 center and that don't work against good teams. Got a decent return for Lehner but committed another unforced error by not trading Gus last summer before he exposed himself further and most of us knew it. On the Gus thing, we are not sure he didn't try to trade Gus but may have been asking too much or teams offering too little. SB could have been asking for 1 or 2 and teams offered less. So maybe the 3 we got for him now was the best we could expect. If Gus had continued on the same pace as last season, we probably would have gotten a lot more now but he sucked and this is all we got. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 28, 2020 18:49:50 GMT -6
For the 2nd consecutive year,this part of it will be a SOB!
Down deep,I like seein' the boys win and I appreciate individual performances like CC and Kubalik's last night but every W lessens our chance at another top three pick. Still eight out but it's just a different team(two actually) and we'll see that the rest of the way with four of em all WELL in front of us......Ducks and Sharks are only six back and we oughta be waitin' for em.
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Post by BigT on Feb 29, 2020 7:55:57 GMT -6
For the 2nd consecutive year,this part of it will be a SOB! Down deep,I like seein' the boys win and I appreciate individual performances like CC and Kubalik's last night but every W lessens our chance at another top three pick. Still eight out but it's just a different team(two actually) and we'll see that the rest of the way with four of em all WELL in front of us......Ducks and Sharks are only six back and we oughta be waitin' for em. I agree here, it’s the smarter approach. Honest question. How do you as a lifelong Hawks accept seeing Stan Bowman as GM next year, and all he does is his cheap retooling that he always does and never actually addresses needs, come back to the Hawks and have anything to root for? I will always stay a Hawks fan, but I can go see Lafreniere next year in Detroit for 20$ and see a future star. Not that I’m a Wings fan, but they have an amazing new arena and will have an exciting young team to watch for. I never root for them or anything like that, but it’s cool to see stars play on either team. I was just at the Flames/Wings game with my buddy and our kids, his cousins plays for the Flames and the kids got to meet the Flames after. But it was entertaining. I guess my point is, I can focus my energy in many different places. Not just the Hawks if they’re gonna be stupid. My son has hockey 5 nights a week. I don’t have time to watch redundant NHL hockey with no hope. We also have Spitfires season tickets. So we watch a ton of hockey already. It’s stupidity like keeping Stan F****** Bowman around that drives fans away. And if they do that, I hope the UC goes quiet and empty!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 29, 2020 8:42:38 GMT -6
For the 2nd consecutive year,this part of it will be a SOB! Down deep,I like seein' the boys win and I appreciate individual performances like CC and Kubalik's last night but every W lessens our chance at another top three pick. Still eight out but it's just a different team(two actually) and we'll see that the rest of the way with four of em all WELL in front of us......Ducks and Sharks are only six back and we oughta be waitin' for em. I agree here, it’s the smarter approach. Honest question. How do you as a lifelong Hawks accept seeing Stan Bowman as GM next year, and all he does is his cheap retooling that he always does and never actually addresses needs, come back to the Hawks and have anything to root for? I will always stay a Hawks fan, but I can go see Lafreniere next year in Detroit for 20$ and see a future star. Not that I’m a Wings fan, but they have an amazing new arena and will have an exciting young team to watch for. I never root for them or anything like that, but it’s cool to see stars play on either team. I was just at the Flames/Wings game with my buddy and our kids, his cousins plays for the Flames and the kids got to meet the Flames after. But it was entertaining. I guess my point is, I can focus my energy in many different places. Not just the Hawks if they’re gonna be stupid. My son has hockey 5 nights a week. I don’t have time to watch redundant NHL hockey with no hope. We also have Spitfires season tickets. So we watch a ton of hockey already. It’s stupidity like keeping Stan F****** Bowman around that drives fans away. And if they do that, I hope the UC goes quiet and empty!!! To answer your question,I feel a TREMENDOUS amount of helplessness watching the team just miss again(and they will) knowing the guys at the top will more than likely allow SB to scape goat another coach and continue on with the slow,painful destruction of the team I love. Will I continue to support the team or only follow it and what in the hell does that even mean any more? I'm lost in a fog created by mgnt assuring us this is a PO team and after the shopping spree SB went on(think drunkin sailor)last summer and more terrible trades......I now have zero faith in SB's ability to turn this around...……..he's turned it into a never ending journey through 'NO MAN'S LAND is all he's done. I have no interest in battling 2 hours of rush hour traffic and parting with over a hundred bucks to see a product I don't approve of and I don't but I'll watch as long as the team still has players I feel loyalty toward and probably after too...…….what else am I gonna F'n watch? |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 29, 2020 9:31:37 GMT -6
I agree here, it’s the smarter approach. Honest question. How do you as a lifelong Hawks accept seeing Stan Bowman as GM next year, and all he does is his cheap retooling that he always does and never actually addresses needs, come back to the Hawks and have anything to root for? I will always stay a Hawks fan, but I can go see Lafreniere next year in Detroit for 20$ and see a future star. Not that I’m a Wings fan, but they have an amazing new arena and will have an exciting young team to watch for. I never root for them or anything like that, but it’s cool to see stars play on either team. I was just at the Flames/Wings game with my buddy and our kids, his cousins plays for the Flames and the kids got to meet the Flames after. But it was entertaining. I guess my point is, I can focus my energy in many different places. Not just the Hawks if they’re gonna be stupid. My son has hockey 5 nights a week. I don’t have time to watch redundant NHL hockey with no hope. We also have Spitfires season tickets. So we watch a ton of hockey already. It’s stupidity like keeping Stan F****** Bowman around that drives fans away. And if they do that, I hope the UC goes quiet and empty!!! To answer your question,I feel a TREMENDOUS amount of helplessness watching the team just miss again(and they will) knowing the guys at the top will more than likely allow SB to scape goat another coach and continue on with the slow,painful destruction of the team I love. Will I continue to support the team or only follow it and what in the hell does that even mean any more? I'm lost in a fog created by mgnt assuring us this is a PO team and after the shopping spree SB went on(think drunkin sailor)last summer and more terrible trades......I now have zero faith in SB's ability to turn this around...……..he's turned it into a never ending journey through 'NO MAN'S LAND is all he's done. I have no interest in battling 2 hours of rush hour traffic and parting with over a hundred bucks to see a product I don't approve of and I don't but I'll watch as long as the team still has players I feel loyalty toward and probably after too...…….what else am I gonna F'n watch? We lived and survived the Diamond Bill era and still watched our team get horrible. We also watched as Pulford only got the team just good enough to make the PO's, but not to win it all. So we can get through these "Dark Ages" again. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 29, 2020 9:52:15 GMT -6
To answer your question,I feel a TREMENDOUS amount of helplessness watching the team just miss again(and they will) knowing the guys at the top will more than likely allow SB to scape goat another coach and continue on with the slow,painful destruction of the team I love. Will I continue to support the team or only follow it and what in the hell does that even mean any more? I'm lost in a fog created by mgnt assuring us this is a PO team and after the shopping spree SB went on(think drunkin sailor)last summer and more terrible trades......I now have zero faith in SB's ability to turn this around...……..he's turned it into a never ending journey through 'NO MAN'S LAND is all he's done. I have no interest in battling 2 hours of rush hour traffic and parting with over a hundred bucks to see a product I don't approve of and I don't but I'll watch as long as the team still has players I feel loyalty toward and probably after too...…….what else am I gonna F'n watch? We lived and survived the Diamond Bill era and still watched our team get horrible. We also watched as Pulford only got the team just good enough to make the PO's, but not to win it all. So we can get through these "Dark Ages" again. You and I both grew up with massive amounts of Chicago sports failure so we should have some immunity to it but my patience isn't what it used to be at my advance age either.....LOL! The more important question is how do the UC faithful take another miss......the STH has to be frustrated! |
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Post by mikeveisor on Feb 29, 2020 10:12:32 GMT -6
Shaw & Smith out for the season (https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/news/medical-update-shaw-smith-to-miss-remainder-of-season/c-315694236) - how many concussions for Shaw is this? Umteenth? Only 28 y/o and 2 more years on his contract, but maybe time for him to consider his long-term health?
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Post by BigT on Feb 29, 2020 15:01:14 GMT -6
Shaw should retire before he’s mush.
Good post Bob. I agree. Stan has to be disposed of at seasons end. Or once they’re mathematically out, they should shtcan him and start the search then!!!
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Post by vadarx on Feb 29, 2020 16:48:32 GMT -6
Shaw should retire before he’s mush. Good post Bob. I agree. Stan has to be disposed of at seasons end. Or once they’re mathematically out, they should shtcan him and start the search then!!! yeah, gotta wonder now if Shawzy doesn't end up on the same path as the Mule in Detroit. LTIR for the rest of his deal due to concussions... I kinda hope he hangs em up just for his own sake.... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 29, 2020 16:51:25 GMT -6
yeah, gotta wonder now if Shawzy doesn't end up on the same path as the Mule in Detroit. LTIR for the rest of his deal die to concussions... good gawd i hope not. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 29, 2020 17:16:24 GMT -6
yeah, gotta wonder now if Shawzy doesn't end up on the same path as the Mule in Detroit. LTIR for the rest of his deal die to concussions... good gawd i hope not. 😱 lol. damn you autocorrect! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 1, 2020 8:35:26 GMT -6
we're up to 3/4 of a forkful.
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Post by hsbob on Mar 1, 2020 8:55:26 GMT -6
we're up to 3/4 of a forkful. In other words......we're forked!LOL! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Mar 1, 2020 15:14:06 GMT -6
we're up to 3/4 of a forkful. What were the odds of the Hawks moving up from 12th to 3rd in last summers draft? There's a chance lol |
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Post by Tater on Mar 2, 2020 2:35:26 GMT -6
What were the odds of the Hawks moving up from 12th to 3rd in last summers draft? There's a chance lol
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Post by hsbob on Mar 2, 2020 10:43:29 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Mar 2, 2020 11:03:12 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Mar 2, 2020 17:57:58 GMT -6
Thanks Bob. That was very telling to me. Toews did not sound happy at all, and Kane told it like it is. Especially when he said they should be consulted on the direction of the team. Kane sounded like he was sick of Stan and his screwing up. I don’t see how the org brings Stan back. I really don’t. Maybe McDonut should talk to the core leadership group and find out what they think, they’re hockey guys and Stan is just a number cruncher with half assed ideas. I’ll say this. It sounded like the dynamic duo was ready to move on if no real change is happening. It’ll get interesting for sure!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 2, 2020 18:07:59 GMT -6
Thanks Bob. That was very telling to me. Toews did not sound happy at all, and Kane told it like it is. Especially when he said they should be consulted on the direction of the team. Kane sounded like he was sick of Stan and his screwing up. I don’t see how the org brings Stan back. I really don’t. Maybe McDonut should talk to the core leadership group and find out what they think, they’re hockey guys and Stan is just a number cruncher with half assed ideas. I’ll say this. It sounded like the dynamic duo was ready to move on if no real change is happening. It’ll get interesting for sure!!! The FO has used a little hocus pocus and slight of hand with their fanbase and we're distracted with this will we make it or won't we shit when to be honest,the entire direction and future on the team is at stake and that's the REAL issue here. Over-dramatic? How long ya wanna stay on the outside lookin' in? |
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Post by BigT on Mar 2, 2020 21:00:49 GMT -6
Thanks Bob. That was very telling to me. Toews did not sound happy at all, and Kane told it like it is. Especially when he said they should be consulted on the direction of the team. Kane sounded like he was sick of Stan and his screwing up. I don’t see how the org brings Stan back. I really don’t. Maybe McDonut should talk to the core leadership group and find out what they think, they’re hockey guys and Stan is just a number cruncher with half assed ideas. I’ll say this. It sounded like the dynamic duo was ready to move on if no real change is happening. It’ll get interesting for sure!!! The FO has used a little hocus pocus and slight of hand with their fanbase and we're distracted with this will we make it or won't we shit when to be honest,the entire direction and future on the team is at stake and that's the REAL issue here. Over-dramatic? How long ya wanna stay on the outside lookin' in? I’ve listened to the podcast 2x now. And it still boggles me knoodle that Stan seems clueless to how to run a team. I know the guys on the show can’t really rip him, but they alluded to Stan being unprofessional and kinda does things backwards. Like not including the core in his direction, not including the fans in the direction, not offering Lehner a contract. Lehner said he’d take a 3 year deal too. So it seems like Stan just doesn’t understand how to actually run a team. And that’s not me digging him his grave. He has to learn now “how to hockey”. He had the world given to him and like they said on the podcast, no one since Kane in the first round has made an impact on this team. Not one first rounder over the last 13 years. Now, not all that is Stans fault. He only gets shit on for the decade after. But, he was also left Crawford, Hammer, Bickell, to name a few. So the cupboards were totally stocked with the big club stacked. Now he’s depleted that and hasn’t thought of replenishing it until a year or so ago. Yet he trades picks away for Shaw, and deHaan. So he finds himself in a hole again. I think they covered a good amount there, and a lot to think about!!! |
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Post by doogiew on Mar 3, 2020 4:24:17 GMT -6
Thanks Bob. That was very telling to me. Toews did not sound happy at all, and Kane told it like it is. Especially when he said they should be consulted on the direction of the team. Kane sounded like he was sick of Stan and his screwing up. I don’t see how the org brings Stan back. I really don’t. Maybe McDonut should talk to the core leadership group and find out what they think, they’re hockey guys and Stan is just a number cruncher with half assed ideas. I’ll say this. It sounded like the dynamic duo was ready to move on if no real change is happening. It’ll get interesting for sure!!! The FO has used a little hocus pocus and slight of hand with their fanbase and we're distracted with this will we make it or won't we shit when to be honest,the entire direction and future on the team is at stake and that's the REAL issue here. Over-dramatic? How long ya wanna stay on the outside lookin' in? The old adage about hanging a shiny object a few deals for nothing special and paying highly to bring back a Shaw who apparently had a short shelf life. The team doctors and Stan himself had to be more than aware. Shaw however gave the fan base a reason for hope. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 3, 2020 8:59:03 GMT -6
The FO has used a little hocus pocus and slight of hand with their fanbase and we're distracted with this will we make it or won't we shit when to be honest,the entire direction and future on the team is at stake and that's the REAL issue here. Over-dramatic? How long ya wanna stay on the outside lookin' in? The old adage about hanging a shiny object a few deals for nothing special and paying highly to bring back a Shaw who apparently had a short shelf life. The team doctors and Stan himself had to be more than aware. Shaw however gave the fan base a reason for hope. I'm a big Shaw guy and I like his return in theory,I believe he's worth what was paid if healthy. The Habs came out and said they keep Shaw if they weren't worried his next concussion could be his last,they loved him as a player and had the space. I posted a link on the old boards describing the horrors he went through(possibly this one)… www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canadiens-shaw-opens-trying-conceal-concussions/ a few summers back and if I knew about this,I have to assume the FO knew.....right? In SB's defense,he was commin' off a healthy,concussion free season that saw career highs in offense but he plays a style that should worry an Org. and it did in Montreal. Maybe he woulda had a better chance on a team that didn't require him doing all the physical heavy lifting but as it was,he pretty much sported the only 'sack' on the squad and it caught up with him. Nov 29th saw him fight Graves in a loss and the following night saw Graves called for a double minor,high stick against Shaw and it wasn't pretty....he never played after that. All that said,Shaw was a gamble SB had no right to take,the 3.9M and the two picks coulda done the team some real good but that's a recurring theme nowadays. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 3, 2020 9:11:05 GMT -6
The old adage about hanging a shiny object a few deals for nothing special and paying highly to bring back a Shaw who apparently had a short shelf life. The team doctors and Stan himself had to be more than aware. Shaw however gave the fan base a reason for hope. I'm a big Shaw guy and I like his return in theory,I believe he's worth what was paid if healthy. The Habs came out and said they keep Shaw if they weren't worried his next concussion could be his last,they loved him as a player and had the space. I posted a link on the old boards describing the horrors he went through(possibly this one)… www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canadiens-shaw-opens-trying-conceal-concussions/ a few summers back and if I knew about this,I have to assume the FO knew.....right? In SB's defense,he was commin' off a healthy,concussion free season that saw career highs in offense but he plays a style that should worry an Org. and it did in Montreal. Maybe he woulda had a better chance on a team that didn't require him doing all the physical heavy lifting but as it was,he pretty much sported the only 'sack' on the squad and it caught up with him. Nov 29th saw him fight Graves in a loss and the following night saw Graves called for a double minor,high stick against Shaw and it wasn't pretty....he never played after that. All that said,Shaw was a gamble SB had no right to take,the 3.9M and the two picks coulda done the team some real good but that's a recurring theme nowadays. And not to mention he was also now a target because of his style of play. He fit the need the hawks had in 13'-15', the guy to take the beating in front of the net. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 3, 2020 10:09:24 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Mar 3, 2020 17:55:18 GMT -6
I’ve gotta say that I’ve tried Goose Island, and I’m not much of a fan. A lot of these “craft breweries” nowadays are throwing shtty hops at a wall and hoping it sticks. IPAs are not for me at all. At first I was all for the micro breweries, and all these craft beers. I’ll try almost any beer, but I spent a lot of my life drinking stuff I don’t like. So now I’m down to a few beer that I call mine. Guinness, OV, Coors Banquet and sometimes when I’m just cuttin the grass or got a long day ahead, I’ll drink a light beer like Bud light or Blue light etc. I’ll try his beer, but I don’t expect too much out of craft beers anymore!!! |
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