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Post by BigT on Jan 12, 2020 9:25:40 GMT -6
One guy who doesn't get much love around here and he's now tied for the rookie lead in goals with 16, is Kubalik. I've liked him since the World Cup after he was signed, impressive speed, size, aggressiveness, and shot. Actually, I think it’s the opposite. I think there’s been massive support for the guy, most here have been clamouring for him to be on the top line. Personally I have not said a word about him, I’ve had a wait and see attitude. But most here have really liked him!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jan 12, 2020 9:53:38 GMT -6
The thing I like as much about Kubalik as his goal scoring was the way he came in and was willing to fit a role with Saad and Kampf right off......that line was defensively stellar early on. Quick,strong hands will go a LONG way but we're now seeing Kubalik consistently putting himself in position to score and his center needed somebody like that IMO. Does that Toews dish that Kubalik missed by an inch or two get ANY sweeter? I also have to admire the way Kubalik has become effective along the boards or battling for the puck in general and he goes to the net,he doesn't have 16 goals because he's been skatin' around tapin' his stick......he works hard,he has a good attitude and a nose for the puck. B/R had a tweet from some talking head a few days back pointing out the massive increase in offensive production for Kubalik after moving up to join JT. Get those guys another winger for God's sake...….JT and Kubalik are MONEY!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 12, 2020 12:05:35 GMT -6
One guy who doesn't get much love around here and he's now tied for the rookie lead in goals with 16, is Kubalik. I've liked him since the World Cup after he was signed, impressive speed, size, aggressiveness, and shot. Actually, I think it’s the opposite. I think there’s been massive support for the guy, most here have been clamouring for him to be on the top line. Personally I have not said a word about him, I’ve had a wait and see attitude. But most here have really liked him!!! I've heard some people talk about how he should be on the top line but that's about it, I haven't heard anyone talking about him personally and what a great trade it was or singling him out on a thread like this. But he's now being talked about for rookie of the year, hopefully he doesn't win because that's bonuses the Hawks can't afford, but it's nice he's being considered.
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Post by hsbob on Jan 12, 2020 22:45:45 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jan 13, 2020 1:25:59 GMT -6
Bob did you also see Kahun on there with Pitt? For some reason they had to add Q on there for our Hawks line. I don’t think he added too much to be honest, and he really didn’t belong there. Why the Hawks let guys stay in positions that don’t suit them for many many games is the next Fermi Paradox, “where are the goals”.
We have the guns to load up two lines, why not try that? Personally I don’t think Saad and Toews are very good together. I think Saad should be the one relegated to a lower line. I think Dach, Saad and Shaw(if he ever plays again) or Carpenter would be a sufficient 3rd line for now. Toews-Kane-Kubalik. Strome-Dcat- Caligula. That looks more balanced to me. Cuz right now, Dach isn’t thriving in the top 6 and he needs more mins in the bottom. I know he tried Dach with Dcat recently and he’s just too young to handle that this year.
Also, if JC doesn’t get Dcat a good centerman, it’s making Stan look stupid for throwing 6 million at a guy who’ll get 45-50 points this year. He’s on pace to get 18 goals. I just don’t get it. I really don’t. Dcat clearly isn’t enjoying the line carousel and he’s gotten better every year, now he’s looking like he’s regressing. If the org doesn’t see this as a problem, they should soon. It’s just time to show Stan and JC the way out of the building, and say to them “why don’t you slip into something more comfortable, like a taxi and beat it”!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jan 13, 2020 9:01:36 GMT -6
Bob did you also see Kahun on there with Pitt? For some reason they had to add Q on there for our Hawks line. I don’t think he added too much to be honest, and he really didn’t belong there. Why the Hawks let guys stay in positions that don’t suit them for many many games is the next Fermi Paradox, “where are the goals”. We have the guns to load up two lines, why not try that? Personally I don’t think Saad and Toews are very good together. I think Saad should be the one relegated to a lower line. I think Dach, Saad and Shaw(if he ever plays again) or Carpenter would be a sufficient 3rd line for now. Toews-Kane-Kubalik. Strome-Dcat- Caligula. That looks more balanced to me. Cuz right now, Dach isn’t thriving in the top 6 and he needs more mins in the bottom. I know he tried Dach with Dcat recently and he’s just too young to handle that this year. Also, if JC doesn’t get Dcat a good centerman, it’s making Stan look stupid for throwing 6 million at a guy who’ll get 45-50 points this year. He’s on pace to get 18 goals. I just don’t get it. I really don’t. Dcat clearly isn’t enjoying the line carousel and he’s gotten better every year, now he’s looking like he’s regressing. If the org doesn’t see this as a problem, they should soon. It’s just time to show Stan and JC the way out of the building, and say to them “why don’t you slip into something more comfortable, like a taxi and beat it”!!! Yeah,I noticed it showed Toews,Kubalik,Kane/Quenneville but Kane's seen what.....a half dozen shifts a game 5 on 5 with that line from what I've seen. D-Cat's seen his share of linemates himself and 3rd line duties as well,as far as a centerman,I see tons of chemistry with Strome but those two have been separated quite a bit so far too after really shining together last year. It'll be interesting to see how things go when Strome and Saad get back,I wouldn't mind seein' Kane with D-Cat and Strome and Dach with Toews and Kubalik for a few games. I think JT could bring the best out of Dach because there's talent to work with like Kubalik…….John Q,Sikura and Nolander only brought JT frustration. I like what I'm seein' from Dach and I'd like to see Kane with him and D-Cat until Strome returns. Kane will get those guys goin'.....Kane will not get Carpenter and Nolander goin'! Now that John Q was sent down,do we see more Sikura on JT's line? NOBODY can get him goin'!
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Post by nighbor on Jan 13, 2020 16:30:03 GMT -6
Bob did you also see Kahun on there with Pitt? For some reason they had to add Q on there for our Hawks line. I don’t think he added too much to be honest, and he really didn’t belong there. Why the Hawks let guys stay in positions that don’t suit them for many many games is the next Fermi Paradox, “where are the goals”. We have the guns to load up two lines, why not try that? Personally I don’t think Saad and Toews are very good together. I think Saad should be the one relegated to a lower line. I think Dach, Saad and Shaw(if he ever plays again) or Carpenter would be a sufficient 3rd line for now. Toews-Kane-Kubalik. Strome-Dcat- Caligula. That looks more balanced to me. Cuz right now, Dach isn’t thriving in the top 6 and he needs more mins in the bottom. I know he tried Dach with Dcat recently and he’s just too young to handle that this year. Also, if JC doesn’t get Dcat a good centerman, it’s making Stan look stupid for throwing 6 million at a guy who’ll get 45-50 points this year. He’s on pace to get 18 goals. I just don’t get it. I really don’t. Dcat clearly isn’t enjoying the line carousel and he’s gotten better every year, now he’s looking like he’s regressing. If the org doesn’t see this as a problem, they should soon. It’s just time to show Stan and JC the way out of the building, and say to them “why don’t you slip into something more comfortable, like a taxi and beat it”!!! Yeah,I noticed it showed Toews,Kubalik,Kane/Quenneville but Kane's seen what.....a half dozen shifts a game 5 on 5 with that line from what I've seen. D-Cat's seen his share of linemates himself and 3rd line duties as well,as far as a centerman,I see tons of chemistry with Strome but those two have been separated quite a bit so far too after really shining together last year. It'll be interesting to see how things go when Strome and Saad get back,I wouldn't mind seein' Kane with D-Cat and Strome and Dach with Toews and Kubalik for a few games. I think JT could bring the best out of Dach because there's talent to work with like Kubalik…….John Q,Sikura and Nolander only brought JT frustration. I like what I'm seein' from Dach and I'd like to see Kane with him and D-Cat until Strome returns. Kane will get those guys goin'.....Kane will not get Carpenter and Nolander goin'! Now that John Q was sent down,do we see more Sikura on JT's line? NOBODY can get him goin'! Strome and D-cat, JT and Kane were money in the bank last season.. This season JC started Strome with both D-cat and Kane and their productivity did not meet expectations. When these two scoring machines are together first there are not enough pucks to go around and secondly they are very obvious as they are continually looking for each other for cross ice passes. Whatever happened to See the play ! Make the play. Dach cannot play with D-cat and Kane because he is star struck. Instead of shooting he looks to pass. I would like to see Dach-Kampf-Saad.
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Post by hsbob on Jan 13, 2020 19:06:08 GMT -6
Yeah,I noticed it showed Toews,Kubalik,Kane/Quenneville but Kane's seen what.....a half dozen shifts a game 5 on 5 with that line from what I've seen. D-Cat's seen his share of linemates himself and 3rd line duties as well,as far as a centerman,I see tons of chemistry with Strome but those two have been separated quite a bit so far too after really shining together last year. It'll be interesting to see how things go when Strome and Saad get back,I wouldn't mind seein' Kane with D-Cat and Strome and Dach with Toews and Kubalik for a few games. I think JT could bring the best out of Dach because there's talent to work with like Kubalik…….John Q,Sikura and Nolander only brought JT frustration. I like what I'm seein' from Dach and I'd like to see Kane with him and D-Cat until Strome returns. Kane will get those guys goin'.....Kane will not get Carpenter and Nolander goin'! Now that John Q was sent down,do we see more Sikura on JT's line? NOBODY can get him goin'! Strome and D-cat, JT and Kane were money in the bank last season.. This season JC started Strome with both D-cat and Kane and their productivity did not meet expectations. When these two scoring machines are together first there are not enough pucks to go around and secondly they are very obvious as they are continually looking for each other for cross ice passes. Whatever happened to See the play ! Make the play. Dach cannot play with D-cat and Kane because he is star struck. Instead of shooting he looks to pass. I would like to see Dach-Kampf-Saad.
Money in the bank is an understatement,all four had career years. I don't know how long it took to NOT meet expectations but JC went away from the two super-duos after a few games.....if that. D-Cat leads the team with 7PP goals and Kane's 2nd w/6,I'd say there's 'enough pucks to go around' then and that saying usually refers to a 'puck hog' and Kane's as good an assist man as he is a goal scorer. You're entitled to your opinon on Dach but him and D-Cat have looked good and only here do we put our 'scoring machines' with 4th line grinders and AHL fill. Take a look at that top lines link I posted and tell me how many 4th line grinders are on any of them.....let alone AHL fill. I'm starting to suspect the Org really doesn't want 120 goals from K,T and D-cat while missing the playoffs again...….it showed how terribly weak the rest of the roster was last year and SB might not want that again.
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Post by nighbor on Jan 14, 2020 1:53:55 GMT -6
Strome and D-cat, JT and Kane were money in the bank last season.. This season JC started Strome with both D-cat and Kane and their productivity did not meet expectations. When these two scoring machines are together first there are not enough pucks to go around and secondly they are very obvious as they are continually looking for each other for cross ice passes. Whatever happened to See the play ! Make the play. Dach cannot play with D-cat and Kane because he is star struck. Instead of shooting he looks to pass. I would like to see Dach-Kampf-Saad.
Money in the bank is an understatement,all four had career years. I don't know how long it took to NOT meet expectations but JC went away from the two super-duos after a few games.....if that. D-Cat leads the team with 7PP goals and Kane's 2nd w/6,I'd say there's 'enough pucks to go around' then and that saying usually refers to a 'puck hog' and Kane's as good an assist man as he is a goal scorer. You're entitled to your opinon on Dach but him and D-Cat have looked good and only here do we put our 'scoring machines' with 4th line grinders and AHL fill. Take a look at that top lines link I posted and tell me how many 4th line grinders are on any of them.....let alone AHL fill. I'm starting to suspect the Org really doesn't want 120 goals from K,T and D-cat while missing the playoffs again...….it showed how terribly weak the rest of the roster was last year and SB might not want that again. My reference to expectations had to do with the production on the 5v5 play of Strome Kane and DeBrincat. The eye test shows us that Kane has the puck a disproportionate amount of time. While Kane is stickhandling D-cat is collecting dust and we have enough less talented players doing that. Having two elite shooters on the same line is a luxury we can not afford. This season Kane has scored a 5v5 goal every 2.5 games but D-cat has scored a 5v5 goal every 11.5 games and the latter is unacceptable. By splitting them up Strome only has one target to find and can make the play instantly.
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Post by hsbob on Jan 14, 2020 8:45:04 GMT -6
Money in the bank is an understatement,all four had career years. I don't know how long it took to NOT meet expectations but JC went away from the two super-duos after a few games.....if that. D-Cat leads the team with 7PP goals and Kane's 2nd w/6,I'd say there's 'enough pucks to go around' then and that saying usually refers to a 'puck hog' and Kane's as good an assist man as he is a goal scorer. You're entitled to your opinon on Dach but him and D-Cat have looked good and only here do we put our 'scoring machines' with 4th line grinders and AHL fill. Take a look at that top lines link I posted and tell me how many 4th line grinders are on any of them.....let alone AHL fill. I'm starting to suspect the Org really doesn't want 120 goals from K,T and D-cat while missing the playoffs again...….it showed how terribly weak the rest of the roster was last year and SB might not want that again. My reference to expectations had to do with the production on the 5v5 play of Strome Kane and DeBrincat. The eye test shows us that Kane has the puck a disproportionate amount of time. While Kane is stickhandling D-cat is collecting dust and we have enough less talented players doing that. Having two elite shooters on the same line is a luxury we can not afford. This season Kane has scored a 5v5 goal every 2.5 games but D-cat has scored a 5v5 goal every 11.5 games and the latter is unacceptable. By splitting them up Strome only has one target to find and can make the play instantly. Kane is an elite shooter but he's also the best set up man on the team unless you know a better one. Kane and D-Cat both score goals but other than that they're very different players and the past has shown us how well they compliment each other. I'm not saying I need Kane with D-Cat either...…..skating him with Toews and Kubalik is just as sensible but skating him with Carpenter and Nolander is something no other HC would do. How many of the league's top ten scorers skate with 4th liners and AHL fill other than Kane? If you want to get D-Cat goin',put him out there with JT at least...……...it worked wonders for Kubalik. It looks like K,T&D will not be allowed to show the rest of the team up with 120 goals between em again this year.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 15, 2020 8:47:22 GMT -6
Some people think Debrincat and Kane are to small to be on the same line but Debrincat plays a hard game and he's strong on his feet, definitely not the same type of players. So they really compliment each other, especially considering Kanes an elite passer and Debrincats an elite shooter.
But with how Kubalik, Toews, and Kane are playing you have to let it ride while it lasts and keep Kane away from Carpenter, he's a solid player but he's not a top6 forward and he shouldn't be with Kane.
I have mixed feelings about Nylander, he does have skill and him and Kane have been setting each other with nice passes but they can't finish, maybe play Nylander with Debrincat, passer-shooter 🤔 have Kampf digging out pucks and going to the net.
I really like Dach and he's going to be elite someday but he'd probably start producing again not going against top defenders. Put him on the 3rd line and 1st PP. Next year he'll probably be 6'5" 200+lbs, then he could probably handle the rigors of playing on the top6. Sometimes it's hard to forget he's only 18.
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Post by hsbob on Jan 15, 2020 11:53:38 GMT -6
Some people think Debrincat and Kane are to small to be on the same line but Debrincat plays a hard game and he's strong on his feet, definitely not the same type of players. So they really compliment each other, especially considering Kanes an elite passer and Debrincats an elite shooter. But with how Kubalik, Toews, and Kane are playing you have to let it ride while it lasts and keep Kane away from Carpenter, he's a solid player but he's not a top6 forward and he shouldn't be with Kane. I have mixed feelings about Nylander, he does have skill and him and Kane have been setting each other with nice passes but they can't finish, maybe play Nylander with Debrincat, passer-shooter 🤔 have Kampf digging out pucks and going to the net. I really like Dach and he's going to be elite someday but he'd probably start producing again not going against top defenders. Put him on the 3rd line and 1st PP. Next year he'll probably be 6'5" 200+lbs, then he could probably handle the rigors of playing on the top6. Sometimes it's hard to forget he's only 18. Nylander does possess a certain amount of skill as far as skating ability and passing to a lesser extent buy the kid's still an enigma for reasons that are hard to pinpoint and have been for far better minds that mine. I don't know if he's grippin' the stick too hard but he's totally whiffed on his last several opportunities.....does this suggest a lack of focus? I'm truly lost on this one. The only thing I can say is I'm not sure I see purpose(whatever that means!LOL)…...he seems to be waiting for things to happen instead of making things happen.
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Post by tincup on Jan 15, 2020 13:48:07 GMT -6
Some people think Debrincat and Kane are to small to be on the same line but Debrincat plays a hard game and he's strong on his feet, definitely not the same type of players. So they really compliment each other, especially considering Kanes an elite passer and Debrincats an elite shooter. But with how Kubalik, Toews, and Kane are playing you have to let it ride while it lasts and keep Kane away from Carpenter, he's a solid player but he's not a top6 forward and he shouldn't be with Kane. I have mixed feelings about Nylander, he does have skill and him and Kane have been setting each other with nice passes but they can't finish, maybe play Nylander with Debrincat, passer-shooter 🤔 have Kampf digging out pucks and going to the net. I really like Dach and he's going to be elite someday but he'd probably start producing again not going against top defenders. Put him on the 3rd line and 1st PP. Next year he'll probably be 6'5" 200+lbs, then he could probably handle the rigors of playing on the top6. Sometimes it's hard to forget he's only 18. Nylander does possess a certain amount of skill as far as skating ability and passing to a lesser extent buy the kid's still an enigma for reasons that are hard to pinpoint and have been for far better minds that mine. I don't know if he's grippin' the stick too hard but he's totally whiffed on his last several opportunities.....does this suggest a lack of focus? I'm truly lost on this one. The only thing I can say is I'm not sure I see purpose(whatever that means!LOL)…...he seems to be waiting for things to happen instead of making things happen. An enigma. Need the boys from Bletchley Park to take a run at him. But I’m thinking if he would just stick his nose into it more, he’d start to see some success. but I’m not sure that’s in his makeup. Look at Kubalik, hot as hot can be, and a lot of it is just being stuck in there, getting goals to go in off your body or just hanging around looking for change, and there is some puck luck going on as well. Nylander just strikes me as more of a perimeter style passer. Kubalik gives up the puck as quick as he can to the playmakers and heads for the spots where you score, Nylander is trying to be more the playmaker than shooter but he tends to over handle it. I really thinks he needs minor pro time to get his game together.
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Post by Tater on Jan 16, 2020 2:07:16 GMT -6
An enigma. Need the boys from Bletchley Park to take a run at him. But I’m thinking if he would just stick his nose into it more, he’d start to see some success. but I’m not sure that’s in his makeup. Look at Kubalik, hot as hot can be, and a lot of it is just being stuck in there, getting goals to go in off your body or just hanging around looking for change, and there is some puck luck going on as well. Nylander just strikes me as more of a perimeter style passer. Kubalik gives up the puck as quick as he can to the playmakers and heads for the spots where you score, Nylander is trying to be more the playmaker than shooter but he tends to over handle it. I really thinks he needs minor pro time to get his game together. Good analysis. Hopefully he will be gone soon one Saad, Strome or Shaw come back. Hell, bring up Entwistle instead and send down him or Sikura. They are a waste of space.
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Post by BigT on Jan 16, 2020 6:40:57 GMT -6
I’m still not buying this recent mini streak. The best move going forward is to sell off and start with some more kids. I think we’re in this little winning streak due to the play of younger guys like Kubalik, Boqvist, Dach etc. We’ve played awful teams lately and no point in getting excited over stepping on them on their way down. We’ll lose a couple in a row and still be in last place. Even if they pull through, sneak in the playoffs and play St lol, they’ll destroy this weaker Hawks team with extreme prejudice and we get pick #18 and take another step back as our core guys get even older, then Stan will go out and over pay Lehner and chase the dream that isn’t there.
This right here is a massive warning. The Oilers did it and tried to rebuild on the fly and it’s been almost 13 years since they’ve had a reasonable team. It’s best in a very strong draft like this one to trade away anything of value, and hopefully get 2-3 NHL players out of this draft. There’s no Stanley Cup coming this year, or in the near future. All those years of Stan trying to make Q look bad to can him, burnt his ass and now he’s wasted too much time. This team is not a winning team. It may not be a last place team, but it is what it is, can’t hope for better. I hope the right things are done, cuz it’s a loooooong road back and not much time to build around 19/88 anymore!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jan 16, 2020 8:36:07 GMT -6
I’m still not buying this recent mini streak. The best move going forward is to sell off and start with some more kids. I think we’re in this little winning streak due to the play of younger guys like Kubalik, Boqvist, Dach etc. We’ve played awful teams lately and no point in getting excited over stepping on them on their way down. We’ll lose a couple in a row and still be in last place. Even if they pull through, sneak in the playoffs and play St lol, they’ll destroy this weaker Hawks team with extreme prejudice and we get pick #18 and take another step back as our core guys get even older, then Stan will go out and over pay Lehner and chase the dream that isn’t there. This right here is a massive warning. The Oilers did it and tried to rebuild on the fly and it’s been almost 13 years since they’ve had a reasonable team. It’s best in a very strong draft like this one to trade away anything of value, and hopefully get 2-3 NHL players out of this draft. There’s no Stanley Cup coming this year, or in the near future. All those years of Stan trying to make Q look bad to can him, burnt his ass and now he’s wasted too much time. This team is not a winning team. It may not be a last place team, but it is what it is, can’t hope for better. I hope the right things are done, cuz it’s a loooooong road back and not much time to build around 19/88 anymore!!! You n me' woulda been arguin' over a post like this 3-4 years ago but it's hard to argue with any of it now. If we see a short term Lehner deal,it'll do nothing but keep us good enough to just miss or just make it and that's just crazy. The question for the FO is,does the return of Saad and Strome and a TDL addition that doesn't cost too much pick-wise give the team a chance to advance......not just make it? I still feel the future of the Chicago Blackhawks hinges on what happens over the next 10-15 games and that's more of a reaction than a plan IMO.
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Post by hsbob on Jan 16, 2020 8:37:53 GMT -6
Nylander does possess a certain amount of skill as far as skating ability and passing to a lesser extent buy the kid's still an enigma for reasons that are hard to pinpoint and have been for far better minds that mine. I don't know if he's grippin' the stick too hard but he's totally whiffed on his last several opportunities.....does this suggest a lack of focus? I'm truly lost on this one. The only thing I can say is I'm not sure I see purpose(whatever that means!LOL)…...he seems to be waiting for things to happen instead of making things happen. An enigma. Need the boys from Bletchley Park to take a run at him. But I’m thinking if he would just stick his nose into it more, he’d start to see some success. but I’m not sure that’s in his makeup. Look at Kubalik, hot as hot can be, and a lot of it is just being stuck in there, getting goals to go in off your body or just hanging around looking for change, and there is some puck luck going on as well. Nylander just strikes me as more of a perimeter style passer. Kubalik gives up the puck as quick as he can to the playmakers and heads for the spots where you score, Nylander is trying to be more the playmaker than shooter but he tends to over handle it. I really thinks he needs minor pro time to get his game together. That would be the 4th time in 4 years a NHL team felt that way.
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 16, 2020 8:45:27 GMT -6
I’m still not buying this recent mini streak. The best move going forward is to sell off and start with some more kids. I think we’re in this little winning streak due to the play of younger guys like Kubalik, Boqvist, Dach etc. We’ve played awful teams lately and no point in getting excited over stepping on them on their way down. We’ll lose a couple in a row and still be in last place. Even if they pull through, sneak in the playoffs and play St lol, they’ll destroy this weaker Hawks team with extreme prejudice and we get pick #18 and take another step back as our core guys get even older, then Stan will go out and over pay Lehner and chase the dream that isn’t there. This right here is a massive warning. The Oilers did it and tried to rebuild on the fly and it’s been almost 13 years since they’ve had a reasonable team. It’s best in a very strong draft like this one to trade away anything of value, and hopefully get 2-3 NHL players out of this draft. There’s no Stanley Cup coming this year, or in the near future. All those years of Stan trying to make Q look bad to can him, burnt his ass and now he’s wasted too much time. This team is not a winning team. It may not be a last place team, but it is what it is, can’t hope for better. I hope the right things are done, cuz it’s a loooooong road back and not much time to build around 19/88 anymore!!! you had me until the bolded part ^. if you look at the roster of the team during the cup run and its demise, there are tons of Qs players in it. both their downfall is both their inability to create a winning roster, to say that Q didn't have a say on the roster or SB was out to destroy him is a vindictive propaganda or speculative bs at best
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Post by hsbob on Jan 16, 2020 9:19:49 GMT -6
I’m still not buying this recent mini streak. The best move going forward is to sell off and start with some more kids. I think we’re in this little winning streak due to the play of younger guys like Kubalik, Boqvist, Dach etc. We’ve played awful teams lately and no point in getting excited over stepping on them on their way down. We’ll lose a couple in a row and still be in last place. Even if they pull through, sneak in the playoffs and play St lol, they’ll destroy this weaker Hawks team with extreme prejudice and we get pick #18 and take another step back as our core guys get even older, then Stan will go out and over pay Lehner and chase the dream that isn’t there. This right here is a massive warning. The Oilers did it and tried to rebuild on the fly and it’s been almost 13 years since they’ve had a reasonable team. It’s best in a very strong draft like this one to trade away anything of value, and hopefully get 2-3 NHL players out of this draft. There’s no Stanley Cup coming this year, or in the near future. All those years of Stan trying to make Q look bad to can him, burnt his ass and now he’s wasted too much time. This team is not a winning team. It may not be a last place team, but it is what it is, can’t hope for better. I hope the right things are done, cuz it’s a loooooong road back and not much time to build around 19/88 anymore!!! you had me until the bolded part ^. if you look at the roster of the team during the cup run and its demise, there are tons of Qs players in it. both their downfall is both their inability to create a winning roster, to say that Q didn't have a say on the roster or SB was out to destroy him is a vindictive propaganda or speculative bs at best
T might be exaggerating but you have to admit Forsberg,Berube and Glass gave the 17-18 team ZERO chance to make it after CC went down and they were in a spot before he went down. There were cheap,veteran GT's available back then as I pointed out including the one who beat the Blues in St Lou last night but we got the three headed disaster instead.
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 16, 2020 9:54:50 GMT -6
you had me until the bolded part ^. if you look at the roster of the team during the cup run and its demise, there are tons of Qs players in it. both their downfall is both their inability to create a winning roster, to say that Q didn't have a say on the roster or SB was out to destroy him is a vindictive propaganda or speculative bs at best
T might be exaggerating but you have to admit Forsberg,Berube and Glass gave the 17-18 team ZERO chance to make it after CC went down and they were in a spot before he went down. There were cheap,veteran GT's available back then as I pointed out including the one who beat the Blues in St Lou last night but we got the three headed disaster instead. ^ overly
SBs inability to get a quality back-up is more of a reflection of how horrible his assessment on players are, more than a deliberate action to burn Q's ass, and I mentioned "both" of them had a hand on the roster (not just Q).
I'm not disputing that Qs firing is not because of SBs inability to create a roster. But there is this weird perception that SB just create roster without his coaches input, which is entirely wrong. Qs last season here, SB added these players; Manning, Kunitz, Ward, Jokiharju - which of these are Qs and which are SBs?
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Post by BigT on Jan 16, 2020 10:03:29 GMT -6
I’m still not buying this recent mini streak. The best move going forward is to sell off and start with some more kids. I think we’re in this little winning streak due to the play of younger guys like Kubalik, Boqvist, Dach etc. We’ve played awful teams lately and no point in getting excited over stepping on them on their way down. We’ll lose a couple in a row and still be in last place. Even if they pull through, sneak in the playoffs and play St lol, they’ll destroy this weaker Hawks team with extreme prejudice and we get pick #18 and take another step back as our core guys get even older, then Stan will go out and over pay Lehner and chase the dream that isn’t there. This right here is a massive warning. The Oilers did it and tried to rebuild on the fly and it’s been almost 13 years since they’ve had a reasonable team. It’s best in a very strong draft like this one to trade away anything of value, and hopefully get 2-3 NHL players out of this draft. There’s no Stanley Cup coming this year, or in the near future. All those years of Stan trying to make Q look bad to can him, burnt his ass and now he’s wasted too much time. This team is not a winning team. It may not be a last place team, but it is what it is, can’t hope for better. I hope the right things are done, cuz it’s a loooooong road back and not much time to build around 19/88 anymore!!! you had me until the bolded part ^. if you look at the roster of the team during the cup run and its demise, there are tons of Qs players in it. both their downfall is both their inability to create a winning roster, to say that Q didn't have a say on the roster or SB was out to destroy him is a vindictive propaganda or speculative bs at best
I don’t believe so. Do you know how hard it is to fire a coach like Q? Especially what he did in Chicago? Stan had cap space Qs last summer here and went out and got Brandon F**£*** Manning. And speaking of speculation, most said that was a “Q” guy and not Stans fault. I highly doubt that’s Qs guy and he didn’t play him. And I seriously doubt that Q said to give him a 2 year deal to boot. Stan did nothing the last couple years of Qs employment. It’s bit Stan terribly. As Bob pointed out, we had to use 5th string goalies and a gawd damn emergency goalie. I think there’s more than enough proof out there to back that claim. JC got a litany or help this summer and hasn’t done much with it!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jan 16, 2020 10:04:55 GMT -6
T might be exaggerating but you have to admit Forsberg,Berube and Glass gave the 17-18 team ZERO chance to make it after CC went down and they were in a spot before he went down. There were cheap,veteran GT's available back then as I pointed out including the one who beat the Blues in St Lou last night but we got the three headed disaster instead. ^ overly
SBs inability to get a quality back-up is more of a reflection of how horrible his assessment on players are, more than a deliberate action to burn Q's ass, and I mentioned "both" of them had a hand on the roster (not just Q).
I'm not disputing that Qs firing is not because of SBs inability to create a roster. But there is this weird perception that SB just create roster without his coaches input, which is entirely wrong. Qs last season here, SB added these players; Manning, Kunitz, Ward, Jokiharju - which of these are Qs and which are SBs?
As far as your last question,none of us know for sure. We do know that Q liked the Joker but the new HC didn't and neither did the GM. I'm sure some moves were made with Q's approval but I'm also sure Q stormed out after the Breadman and Hammer were traded because of no input on those deals. You gotta admit SB has made many more moves to improve the team since Q's firing though.....no?
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 16, 2020 10:16:03 GMT -6
you had me until the bolded part ^. if you look at the roster of the team during the cup run and its demise, there are tons of Qs players in it. both their downfall is both their inability to create a winning roster, to say that Q didn't have a say on the roster or SB was out to destroy him is a vindictive propaganda or speculative bs at best
I don’t believe so. Do you know how hard it is to fire a coach like Q? Especially what he did in Chicago? Stan had cap space Qs last summer here and went out and got Brandon F**£*** Manning. And speaking of speculation, most said that was a “Q” guy and not Stans fault. I highly doubt that’s Qs guy and he didn’t play him. And I seriously doubt that Q said to give him a 2 year deal to boot. Stan did nothing the last couple years of Qs employment. It’s bit Stan terribly. As Bob pointed out, we had to use 5th string goalies and a gawd damn emergency goalie. I think there’s more than enough proof out there to back that claim. JC got a litany or help this summer and hasn’t done much with it!!! none of what you just ranted are proof of anything. sorry, but either of our speculation are just that, speculations, they have equal weight. A GM deliberately tanking his team and the prospect pool just to get his coach fired? I don't buy how you end up with your conclusions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 10:21:17 GMT -6
^ overly
SBs inability to get a quality back-up is more of a reflection of how horrible his assessment on players are, more than a deliberate action to burn Q's ass, and I mentioned "both" of them had a hand on the roster (not just Q).
I'm not disputing that Qs firing is not because of SBs inability to create a roster. But there is this weird perception that SB just create roster without his coaches input, which is entirely wrong. Qs last season here, SB added these players; Manning, Kunitz, Ward, Jokiharju - which of these are Qs and which are SBs?
As far as your last question,none of us know for sure. We do know that Q liked the Joker but the new HC didn't and neither did the GM. I'm sure some moves were made with Q's approval but I'm also sure Q stormed out after the Breadman and Hammer were traded because of no input on those deals. You gotta admit SB has made many more moves to improve the team since Q's firing though.....no? Of what I can remember, Bowman added Ward, Kunitz, Manning, and Davidson and sat on over $5 million in cap space when Wirtz put both Bowman and Q on notice a repeat of the previous season would not be tolerated. Those acquisitions did little to nothing to improve the team and Q gets fired, THEN Bowman decides to try and be a GM and trades for Strome, Perlini, Cagulia, dumping Manning, Davidson, Ruuta. Then this offseason he traded Joker for Nylander, trades for Maata, de Haan, Shaw, Smith, signs Lehner, Kubalik and Carpenter and freed up roster space so Sikura can blossom playing along side the likes or Toews and Kane.
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 16, 2020 10:41:53 GMT -6
^ overly
SBs inability to get a quality back-up is more of a reflection of how horrible his assessment on players are, more than a deliberate action to burn Q's ass, and I mentioned "both" of them had a hand on the roster (not just Q).
I'm not disputing that Qs firing is not because of SBs inability to create a roster. But there is this weird perception that SB just create roster without his coaches input, which is entirely wrong. Qs last season here, SB added these players; Manning, Kunitz, Ward, Jokiharju - which of these are Qs and which are SBs?
As far as your last question,none of us know for sure. We do know that Q liked the Joker but the new HC didn't and neither did the GM. I'm sure some moves were made with Q's approval but I'm also sure Q stormed out after the Breadman and Hammer were traded because of no input on those deals. You gotta admit SB has made many more moves to improve the team since Q's firing though.....no? Hammer is my favorite player (the one and only jersey I own). I was so pissed off when he was fired and I looked into it. I was so relieved that Q shared my sentiment. Q was pissed off and surprised that Hammer was traded. I don't remember Q acting the same with Breadman's trade. Maybe because I wasn't as heavily invested in it as much as the Hammer one, but I remember Q being excited about having Saad back. (same with Ladd by the way)
I don't remember who we traded for Forsberg, but I remember the Hawks board were mostly happy with the trade. We potentially have a future back-up goalie, hindsight now makes this a bad trade. Same with Berube and Glass, but these are minor trades that really didn't do anything. Ward was a good back-up, overpaid, but good enough.
I think SB's done more moves after Q because the level above him said they needed a change or else. Q was the first to go, altering the roster was next. he had to do things or he'll be the next to go. All these new changes are reflective of a JC roster. That was my point, SB get players and create a roster with his coach's input, just like what happened with Joker. I've been trying to point out, Q had his say on the roster. it wasn't all SB and I don't think SB purposely tanked the team to get him fired. His inability to create a competitive team got Q fired, but I don't think SB purposely creates a bad team (in his mind).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 10:47:22 GMT -6
As far as your last question,none of us know for sure. We do know that Q liked the Joker but the new HC didn't and neither did the GM. I'm sure some moves were made with Q's approval but I'm also sure Q stormed out after the Breadman and Hammer were traded because of no input on those deals. You gotta admit SB has made many more moves to improve the team since Q's firing though.....no? Hammer is my favorite player (the one and only jersey I own). I was so pissed off when he was fired and I looked into it. I was so relieved that Q shared my sentiment. Q was pissed off and surprised that Hammer was traded. I don't remember Q acting the same with Breadman's trade. Maybe because I wasn't as heavily invested in it as much as the Hammer one, but I remember Q being excited about having Saad back. (same with Ladd by the way)
I don't remember who we traded for Forsberg, but I remember the Hawks board were mostly happy with the trade. We potentially have a future back-up goalie, hindsight now makes this a bad trade. Same with Berube and Glass, but these are minor trades that really didn't do anything. Ward was a good back-up, overpaid, but good enough.
I think SB's done more moves after Q because the level above him said they needed a change or else. Q was the first to go, altering the roster was next. he had to do things or he'll be the next to go. All these new changes are reflective of a JC roster. That was my point, SB get players and create a roster with his coach's input, just like what happened with Joker. I've been trying to point out, Q had his say on the roster. it wasn't all SB and I don't think SB purposely tanked the team to get him fired. His inability to create a competitive team got Q fired, but I don't think SB purposely creates a bad team (in his mind).
Forsberg came in the Saad/Panarin trade. And I don't recall the board being that excited about getting a goalie who's career record was 1-8 with a GAA of .402 and Save % of .879.
And Bowman was put on notice at the same time as Q was and went out and got little to nothing to help the 2018/19 team until after he fired Q. So it wasn't that he realized after firing Q it was on him, Rocky had already made it clear that he would not tolerate another non playoff season. And yet, Bowman remains, now with 2 straight non playoff seasons, and a 3rd on the horizon.
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Post by hsbob on Jan 16, 2020 10:54:54 GMT -6
As far as your last question,none of us know for sure. We do know that Q liked the Joker but the new HC didn't and neither did the GM. I'm sure some moves were made with Q's approval but I'm also sure Q stormed out after the Breadman and Hammer were traded because of no input on those deals. You gotta admit SB has made many more moves to improve the team since Q's firing though.....no? Of what I can remember, Bowman added Ward, Kunitz, Manning, and Davidson and sat on over $5 million in cap space when Wirtz put both Bowman and Q on notice a repeat of the previous season would not be tolerated. Those acquisitions did little to nothing to improve the team and Q gets fired, THEN Bowman decides to try and be a GM and trades for Strome, Perlini, Cagulia, dumping Manning, Davidson, Ruuta. Then this offseason he traded Joker for Nylander, trades for Maata, de Haan, Shaw, Smith, signs Lehner, Kubalik and Carpenter and freed up roster space so Sikura can blossom playing along side the likes or Toews and Kane.
Sikura did blossom! www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCp9a8k5AnQ
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Post by BigT on Jan 16, 2020 11:07:51 GMT -6
I don’t believe so. Do you know how hard it is to fire a coach like Q? Especially what he did in Chicago? Stan had cap space Qs last summer here and went out and got Brandon F**£*** Manning. And speaking of speculation, most said that was a “Q” guy and not Stans fault. I highly doubt that’s Qs guy and he didn’t play him. And I seriously doubt that Q said to give him a 2 year deal to boot. Stan did nothing the last couple years of Qs employment. It’s bit Stan terribly. As Bob pointed out, we had to use 5th string goalies and a gawd damn emergency goalie. I think there’s more than enough proof out there to back that claim. JC got a litany or help this summer and hasn’t done much with it!!! none of what you just ranted are proof of anything. sorry, but either of our speculation are just that, speculations, they have equal weight. A GM deliberately tanking his team and the prospect pool just to get his coach fired? I don't buy how you end up with your conclusions.
I also talk to people!!!
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 16, 2020 11:28:11 GMT -6
Hammer is my favorite player (the one and only jersey I own). I was so pissed off when he was fired and I looked into it. I was so relieved that Q shared my sentiment. Q was pissed off and surprised that Hammer was traded. I don't remember Q acting the same with Breadman's trade. Maybe because I wasn't as heavily invested in it as much as the Hammer one, but I remember Q being excited about having Saad back. (same with Ladd by the way)
I don't remember who we traded for Forsberg, but I remember the Hawks board were mostly happy with the trade. We potentially have a future back-up goalie, hindsight now makes this a bad trade. Same with Berube and Glass, but these are minor trades that really didn't do anything. Ward was a good back-up, overpaid, but good enough.
I think SB's done more moves after Q because the level above him said they needed a change or else. Q was the first to go, altering the roster was next. he had to do things or he'll be the next to go. All these new changes are reflective of a JC roster. That was my point, SB get players and create a roster with his coach's input, just like what happened with Joker. I've been trying to point out, Q had his say on the roster. it wasn't all SB and I don't think SB purposely tanked the team to get him fired. His inability to create a competitive team got Q fired, but I don't think SB purposely creates a bad team (in his mind).
Forsberg came in the Saad/Panarin trade. And I don't recall the board being that excited about getting a goalie who's career record was 1-8 with a GAA of .402 and Save % of .879. That explains it, I would bet the "excitement" that I remember are probably reasons on why to like the Panarin for Saad trade. Whether it was genuine or not, there were people hoping Forsberg would be good. I don't care much for Forsberg or other fringe NHL/AHL players and even top prospects. I want to see them perform on NHL ice before saying anything. But I did like the Saad/Panarin trade for what it is.
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 16, 2020 11:47:10 GMT -6
none of what you just ranted are proof of anything. sorry, but either of our speculation are just that, speculations, they have equal weight. A GM deliberately tanking his team and the prospect pool just to get his coach fired? I don't buy how you end up with your conclusions.
I also talk to people!!! Big-T, I genuinely mean no offense intended. I try to take your insights/reports/news/posts with an unbiased mind. (I said I TRY) But I take it with caution also, based on you or the people that you talk to. No personal swinging or anything. I'm sure you'll agree when I say that you, yourself is biased against SB. You were probably cursing his name while you were celebrating, drunk with champagne while watching the three Hawks parade on tv. You would be the last person I ask to have an unbiased opinion on SB
I guess I took it upon myself to have the other side's voice. We all know where the Hawks board and this board is tilted towards, regarding opinions on SB and this management. The small battles I could win are when the posts are so ridiculous, but I know I am losing this war.
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