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Post by tincup on Jan 16, 2020 17:53:46 GMT -6
An enigma. Need the boys from Bletchley Park to take a run at him. But I’m thinking if he would just stick his nose into it more, he’d start to see some success. but I’m not sure that’s in his makeup. Look at Kubalik, hot as hot can be, and a lot of it is just being stuck in there, getting goals to go in off your body or just hanging around looking for change, and there is some puck luck going on as well. Nylander just strikes me as more of a perimeter style passer. Kubalik gives up the puck as quick as he can to the playmakers and heads for the spots where you score, Nylander is trying to be more the playmaker than shooter but he tends to over handle it. I really thinks he needs minor pro time to get his game together. That would be the 4th time in 4 years a NHL team felt that way. But what else do you do with him? At this point the team isn’t deep enough to shelter him while they try to win. I know it’s easy to rip this as a horrible and misguided trade, and so far that’s exactly what it looks like. But it’s going to be difficult to just sweep this one under the carpet and take the hit. Maybe he’s just a hard guy to play with. Maybe he needs to find his partner in crime. Just like Dcat needs a Strome maybe Nylander is going to need a Kurashev, an Entwhistleor a Hagel. Maybe. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 16, 2020 18:14:00 GMT -6
That would be the 4th time in 4 years a NHL team felt that way. But what else do you do with him? At this point the team isn’t deep enough to shelter him while they try to win. I know it’s easy to rip this as a horrible and misguided trade, and so far that’s exactly what it looks like. But it’s going to be difficult to just sweep this one under the carpet and take the hit. Maybe he’s just a hard guy to play with. Maybe he needs to find his partner in crime. Just like Dcat needs a Strome maybe Nylander is going to need a Kurashev, an Entwhistleor a Hagel. Maybe. D-Cat just needs a linemate who can set him up a few times a game and 81gls/161pts in his 1st 212 games proves that,I have no idea what Nolander needs. To be honest,I thought we'd see 20-30 games with K&T early on to see if they could get the kid goin' but what we saw instead was JC scratching him a few games in and moving him down the line up. He's been a healthy scratch a few times since too. This was his year to prove the folks in Buffalo that don't know how to develop players wrong but he's yet to do that. If calling up another AHL linemate for him to gel with is the answer then I don't understand the question. |
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Post by tincup on Jan 16, 2020 21:31:06 GMT -6
But what else do you do with him? At this point the team isn’t deep enough to shelter him while they try to win. I know it’s easy to rip this as a horrible and misguided trade, and so far that’s exactly what it looks like. But it’s going to be difficult to just sweep this one under the carpet and take the hit. Maybe he’s just a hard guy to play with. Maybe he needs to find his partner in crime. Just like Dcat needs a Strome maybe Nylander is going to need a Kurashev, an Entwhistleor a Hagel. Maybe. D-Cat just needs a linemate who can set him up a few times a game and 81gls/161pts in his 1st 212 games proves that,I have no idea what Nolander needs. To be honest,I thought we'd see 20-30 games with K&T early on to see if they could get the kid goin' but what we saw instead was JC scratching him a few games in and moving him down the line up. He's been a healthy scratch a few times since too. This was his year to prove the folks in Buffalo that don't know how to develop players wrong but he's yet to do that. If calling up another AHL linemate for him to gel with is the answer then I don't understand the question. Not calling up an Icehog, sending Nylander down to play top six minutes. Hopefully two or three of those guys will be his future linemates. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 17, 2020 7:10:44 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 17, 2020 12:46:51 GMT -6
They should put Gus on concussion protocol and let him practice for a month and watch lots of tape, hopefully it helps him too. He's definitely playing like he's concussed. Seriously though, awesome to have Cags speed and energy back. Hopefully he doesn't fight or make big hits anymore, just be a pest and make plays. I was hoping Shaw would do the same but he can't help it. |
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Post by mvr on Jan 18, 2020 8:14:31 GMT -6
If Bowman is serious about making a playoff run (and I doubt he is, despite what he says), he should be shopping for reinforcements right now.
The bottom feeders are looking to unload contracts to save money any way they can.
A prime candidate to target would be Wayne Simmonds.
Simmonds makes $5 M/year - way too much for most of the contenders, but easy to absorb here because of the IR players. He has 19 points this year, and is clearly in decline. But he would still be a major upgrade here for this year's roster. If the Devils wait until the deadline, they might be able to find a team willing to give them a fourth round pick. If they eat half the contract, they might get a little more.
What if Bowman offers NJ something like Dylan Sikura and is willing to take on the entire Simmons contract starting right now? New Jersey saves some money and gets a long shot prospect. They are not likely to get a better offer by waiting.
I think Simmons would be a perfect fit to play on that first line with Kubilik and Toews.
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Post by hsbob on Jan 18, 2020 9:15:30 GMT -6
If Bowman is serious about making a playoff run (and I doubt he is, despite what he says), he should be shopping for reinforcements right now. The bottom feeders are looking to unload contracts to save money any way they can. A prime candidate to target would be Wayne Simmonds. Simmonds makes $5 M/year - way too much for most of the contenders, but easy to absorb here because of the IR players. He has 19 points this year, and is clearly in decline. But he would still be a major upgrade here for this year's roster. If the Devils wait until the deadline, they might be able to find a team willing to give them a fourth round pick. If they eat half the contract, they might get a little more. What if Bowman offers NJ something like Dylan Sikura and is willing to take on the entire Simmons contract starting right now? New Jersey saves some money and gets a long shot prospect. They are not likely to get a better offer by waiting. I think Simmons would be a perfect fit to play on that first line with Kubilik and Toews. Another one of your personnel suggestions that I like my friend.....BUT..... Does the Org appreciate his style of play as much as you and I do? NJ is flush with cap space and it's an expiring contract so I think they'll want more than Dylan Sikura but bless your hart for the idea!LOL! The Hawks do have the room unlike other suiters but if I'm NJ,I'd eat some money and try to get a better return. Devils have been a mess ever since Lou left! |
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Post by shooter61 on Jan 18, 2020 10:34:22 GMT -6
or what about Clarkson and Hortin from Tor would free up 10 mil from tor let them get a back up and Dman , must beworth a couple second rounders
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 18, 2020 16:38:25 GMT -6
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Post by Tater on Jan 19, 2020 3:26:38 GMT -6
Good article GT. Even though not getting many points, I think Dach's defensive play has helped a lot in the teams shots allowed and zone time.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 19, 2020 4:10:04 GMT -6
Good article GT. Even though not getting many points, I think Dach's defensive play has helped a lot in the teams shots allowed and zone time. of course it would have been nice to get a 25 goal first season out of him but likely better for all that he develops his defensive game first. the offensive part of the game will eventually come a lot easier to him imho. a 20 year old 6'4" 220 pound 2-way center with 2 nhl seasons under his belt will be a commodity worth waiting for. |
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Post by doogiew on Jan 19, 2020 7:24:50 GMT -6
Good article GT. Even though not getting many points, I think Dach's defensive play has helped a lot in the teams shots allowed and zone time. of course it would have been nice to get a 25 goal first season out of him but likely better for all that he develops his defensive game first. the offensive part of the game will eventually come a lot easier to him imho. a 20 year old 6'4" 220 pound 2-way center with 2 nhl seasons under his belt will be a commodity worth waiting for. Too many are making way to big of a deal about an 18 yr old offensive production. The kid is playing well defensively. He is a little hesitant in what he does next at times when he has the puck but like some I believe it will all come together. Secondly look at his drafts mates numbers the two above him in particular. Hughes is a -12 17 pts, Kakko is a -17 16 pts while Dach is a -4 11 pts. Having watch these three in comparison I would take Dach's play any day. It isn't easy getting a very young forward learning to play the game to play defense first. All of the offensive skill and ability is there it's all a matter of when he is comfortabe enough to combine the two. It wasn't that long ago that many here were critiquing Kubalik yet those seem to have changed to cheers as he has become the biggest goal scoring threat playing with Toews of late. |
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Jan 19, 2020 7:51:38 GMT -6
So what to make of things now?
I look back at this run of recent success...some soft touches in there, but they're doing what they should with those teams, which is beat them.
I guess the NHL has what it wants: parity.
If you look at the league standings regardless of division and conference, and play it like Olympic scoring, that is, lose the top and bottom it's as tight as can be.
Take the top seven teams out, and the bottom six, and you get 18 teams within 8 points of each other with roughly 32 games to go.
Going to be a very interesting stretch run, but the bottom line is this: even with some reinforcement, is this Hawks team good enough to beat a St. Louis or Colorado in a seven game series?
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Post by hsbob on Jan 19, 2020 9:11:48 GMT -6
Good article GT. Even though not getting many points, I think Dach's defensive play has helped a lot in the teams shots allowed and zone time. of course it would have been nice to get a 25 goal first season out of him but likely better for all that he develops his defensive game first. the offensive part of the game will eventually come a lot easier to him imho. a 20 year old 6'4" 220 pound 2-way center with 2 nhl seasons under his belt will be a commodity worth waiting for. He's doing the right things IMO and his overall game gets steadily better as the year goes along. After absorbing some big hits,he looks better prepared for em now,he either spins off the brunt of a hit or he goes for the reverse hit.....he's done a good job of adjusting to the physical side of the game @18 and a lotta rooks don't. He has played well defensively as you guys pointed out and he plays well along the boards too,his offensive skill will develop(sweet dish to D-Cat last night) and when it does,we might have one good,young,two way center. I still woundn't mind a few shifts with JT and Kubs or Kane and D-Cat...…..it'd get his offensive numbers up,I'll tell ya that. |
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Post by mvr on Jan 19, 2020 9:22:52 GMT -6
With one or two smart additions (forwards) this team is good enough to make the playoffs.
Will they beat St. Louis or Colorado? Not likely. But anything is possible in the playoffs.
Management has to make a decision over the all star break. Either make some serious moves and give the team a chance, or dump some assets (Lehner, Gus, Matta - possibly Crawford, Saad etc) and commit to a rebuild.
I fear Bowman will take a half-way approach He will largely sit on what he has because he "likes his team."
Given the team's recent turnaround, I might choose to add a couple of high impact forwards - using assets such as Nylander, Sikura, Carlson, Lehner and Gus as the bait.
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Post by mvr on Jan 19, 2020 9:45:01 GMT -6
Would Alex Nylander with Lehner (at half price) be enough to get Kasper Kapanen?
The Leafs obviously can't be serious with the goaltending they have.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 19, 2020 11:08:47 GMT -6
Good article GT. Even though not getting many points, I think Dach's defensive play has helped a lot in the teams shots allowed and zone time. of course it would have been nice to get a 25 goal first season out of him but likely better for all that he develops his defensive game first. the offensive part of the game will eventually come a lot easier to him imho. a 20 year old 6'4" 220 pound 2-way center with 2 nhl seasons under his belt will be a commodity worth waiting for. He made some great plays at both ends vs the Leafs, to bad Debrincat can't finish like he did his first 2 seasons. They had a 3 on 2, Dach gave him a perfect pass and he hit the outside of the net 🙄 Dach is creating high quality chances but no one can finish, plus he's getting some good looks himself. It's baffling how he's been on 2 long pointless streaks now. But he's 18 and playing smart hockey, the future is bright with Dach, and he'll probably reach 6'5" in 2yrs. |
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Post by mvr on Jan 19, 2020 11:37:17 GMT -6
Here is another trade idea.
Jeff Carter has two years left at $5.2 M, and he has no NTC.
No question at age 35 he is slowing down. But he is also still a legit power forward who can play on any team's top nine. He still can skate faster than most, and he still has the big shot.
I would love to see him centring Patrick Kane.
Perhaps the Kings would eat some of his contract if the Hawks offered up Nylander.
Carter's actual salary for next year and the year following is only $2 M/year.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 19, 2020 12:20:28 GMT -6
Here is another trade idea. Jeff Carter has two years left at $5.2 M, and he has no NTC. No question at age 35 he is slowing down. But he is also still a legit power forward who can play on any team's top nine. He still can skate faster than most, and he still has the big shot. I would love to see him centring Patrick Kane. Perhaps the Kings would eat some of his contract if the Hawks offered up Nylander. Carter's actual salary for next year and the year following is only $2 M/year.The cap hit is still 5.272. Actually salary means nothing. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 19, 2020 12:47:17 GMT -6
Here is another trade idea. Jeff Carter has two years left at $5.2 M, and he has no NTC. No question at age 35 he is slowing down. But he is also still a legit power forward who can play on any team's top nine. He still can skate faster than most, and he still has the big shot. I would love to see him centring Patrick Kane. Perhaps the Kings would eat some of his contract if the Hawks offered up Nylander. Carter's actual salary for next year and the year following is only $2 M/year.The cap hit is still 5.272. Actually salary means nothing. If LA will retain 2mill that could be a good trade. Saad-Carter-Kane could be deadly That'll leave Debrincat-Strome-Dach as line 2B. Smith-Kampf-Carpenter That's 4 solid lines. Trade Gus to a contender, his contract runs out so he's just a rental and he's cheap. Might get a 2nd rounder or decent prospect. Keep Saad and Maata till the summer and decide then. Either lock up Lehner now or trade him at the deadline and run with Crow and Lankinen or Delia. |
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Post by doogiew on Jan 19, 2020 17:02:13 GMT -6
Bowman likes this team and all of it's parts. He has said as much as well as any trade he makes would have to make sense. Does anything really make sense to Stan Bowman. I don't see Nylander going anywhere soon. Recall David Rundblad?
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Post by shooter61 on Jan 19, 2020 18:26:23 GMT -6
The cap hit is still 5.272. Actually salary means nothing. If LA will retain 2mill that could be a good trade. Saad-Carter-Kane could be deadly That'll leave Debrincat-Strome-Dach as line 2B. Smith-Kampf-Carpenter That's 4 solid lines. Trade Gus to a contender, his contract runs out so he's just a rental and he's cheap. Might get a 2nd rounder or decent prospect. Keep Saad and Maata till the summer and decide then. Either lock up Lehner now or trade him at the deadline and run with Crow and Lankinen or Delia. |
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Post by shooter61 on Jan 19, 2020 18:27:19 GMT -6
what about Tazer? where does he play , think ya forgot him
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 19, 2020 18:31:15 GMT -6
what about Tazer? where does he play , think ya forgot him yeah. he forgot kubs and caggs as well. : ) |
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Post by mvr on Jan 19, 2020 21:00:07 GMT -6
Carter's cap hit is $5.2 M. His actual salary will be $2 M starting next year (it is $3 M now).
Let's say LA eats half of the remainder (which would be about $2 M cash - spread over two years). Does this mean their trading partner only must commit half of Carter's $5.2 M to their salary cap?:
A $2.6 M cap hit would not be difficult for the Hawks to absorb. LA would save some cash and add a legit prospect for the long term.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 19, 2020 21:34:03 GMT -6
Carter's cap hit is $5.2 M. His actual salary will be $2 M starting next year (it is $3 M now). Let's say LA eats half of the remainder (which would be about $2 M cash - spread over two years). Does this mean their trading partner only must commit half of Carter's $5.2 M to their salary cap?: A $2.6 M cap hit would not be difficult for the Hawks to absorb. LA would save some cash and add a legit prospect for the long term. Currently we are 12m below the cap with the 15m+/- of LTIR. When they come back we are going to be even again. And still have to resign Kubalik and Strome. Hawks don't have much if any wiggle room. |
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Post by irmaks on Jan 19, 2020 22:31:20 GMT -6
Carter's cap hit is $5.2 M. His actual salary will be $2 M starting next year (it is $3 M now). Let's say LA eats half of the remainder (which would be about $2 M cash - spread over two years). Does this mean their trading partner only must commit half of Carter's $5.2 M to their salary cap?: A $2.6 M cap hit would not be difficult for the Hawks to absorb. LA would save some cash and add a legit prospect for the long term. Currently we are 12m below the cap with the 15m+/- of LTIR. When they come back we are going to be even again. And still have to resign Kubalik and Strome. Hawks don't have much if any wiggle room. And on top of it why you want to trade young player for 35 years old Carter is beyond me. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 20, 2020 8:12:52 GMT -6
what about Tazer? where does he play , think ya forgot him yeah. he forgot kubs and caggs as well. : ) Kubs-Toews-Cags were a given after the Toronto game, I was just listing the other 3. But I've been defending Nylander and 1g-2a in his last 2gms is looking better, his confidence has been messed up but you can tell the guys like him. After Kubaliks crazy goal out of the air everyone split up after the celebration but Toews held Nylander and said something to him and made him smile, after his goal vs the Jets Smith was next to him on the bench and he had a huge smile and said something to him and gave him a pat. Carter is tempting but this team doesn't need a 35yr old. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 20, 2020 8:24:58 GMT -6
yeah. he forgot kubs and caggs as well. : ) Kubs-Toews-Cags were a given after the Toronto game, I was just listing the other 3. Exactly the point i made a poor job of making. : ) |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 20, 2020 8:37:10 GMT -6
Kubs-Toews-Cags were a given after the Toronto game, I was just listing the other 3. Exactly the point i made a poor job of making. : ) I'm tired lol just finished working a 10hr shift and stayed up to finishing the game, watched half before work. Good one though 😄 yeah I thought it was obvious when I only listed 3 lines |
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