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Post by mikeveisor on Jun 30, 2021 15:51:48 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 30, 2021 16:14:06 GMT -6
Makes me wonder why there?
Western Canada or the Kraken?
If he does then it's not for another shot at the cup then.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2021 16:37:14 GMT -6
guess we've found the first of the Big 3 to ask outta Chicago.
gotta think Seattle or Edmonton are the landing spots if this works out. either go to the expansion franchise and be captain for a couple years or go to Edmonton and hopefully provide the winning/veteran presence they badly need.
I gotta think Edmonton is the spot they are looking at. this sounds like something Holland would do.
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Post by BigT on Jun 30, 2021 16:49:11 GMT -6
Makes sense. I could see him retiring after that deal. If Keith leaves. We have to assume (and I hate assuming anything), Hawks will have to take back some salary or eat some of it. I would have to think it’ll be Vancouver or Seattle. If that’s the case. Seattle could just grab him in the expansion draft, as he’d waive his NMC to go. DK, I believe lives out Vancouver way in the mountains. I heard him on a podcast talking about his place in the mountains of BC.
However, he was our best dman. And that means Hamilton would be coming more than likely. I’d also think that maybe a trade for Jones too. I think the Hawks need a huge off-season to offset the other off ice distractions!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 30, 2021 17:00:21 GMT -6
It'll be strange seeing him on another team and if they have to absorb some of his salary they better get a good prospect and/or pick, and no mid 20's project.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2021 17:00:23 GMT -6
Makes sense. I could see him retiring after that deal. If Keith leaves. We have to assume (and I hate assuming anything), Hawks will have to take back some salary or eat some of it. I would have to think it’ll be Vancouver or Seattle. If that’s the case. Seattle could just grab him in the expansion draft, as he’d waive his NMC to go. DK, I believe lives out Vancouver way in the mountains. I heard him on a podcast talking about his place in the mountains of BC. However, he was our best dman. And that means Hamilton would be coming more than likely. I’d also think that maybe a trade for Jones too. I think the Hawks need a huge off-season to offset the other off ice distractions!!! Vancouver and Calgary have zero cap space. both have less than 15 million with at least 8 spots to fill. Edmonton has the space to do it, though. I mean, the other two would as well but they would have to get more creative. Van doesn't really need another dman either, imo. this just screams Edmonton to me. vet who has won going to a team that is near the top but needs a push to get over the hump. hopefully Bowman can rake Holland over the coals here before he is sent packing... |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2021 17:01:49 GMT -6
It'll be strange seeing him on another team and if they have to absorb some of his salary they better get a good prospect and/or pick, and no mid 20's project. considering his cost, contract status, and pedigree, I think the 'hawks could actually get a decent return for him if they traded with a team looking to get over the hump... |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 30, 2021 19:31:42 GMT -6
Keith only has two left so recapture isn't much of a factor at this point and the guy stays fit and healthy. If the Hawks retain $$$ they better get something for it because Keith is the exact type of player who could have a resurgence in the right situation.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 30, 2021 20:52:48 GMT -6
It will be a sad day for me. Only jerseys I have are #2. Since 09 I have worn the same t-shit to every playoff game #2. Gotta figure its Edmonton might even take back Neal but they better get a great return. Even there he becomes there 2nd best dman. I want 19th pick and one of there young dman also.And I dont want Hamilton, jones yes they need someone who can play D.
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Post by tincup on Jun 30, 2021 22:22:52 GMT -6
It'll be strange seeing him on another team and if they have to absorb some of his salary they better get a good prospect and/or pick, and no mid 20's project. The only players I’d consider would be Holloway, Broberg or Bouchard. Toss in one of the lower end Russians too, Konovalov the goalie or Maximov the forward in lieu of a pick. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2021 10:15:40 GMT -6
It'll be strange seeing him on another team and if they have to absorb some of his salary they better get a good prospect and/or pick, and no mid 20's project. The only players I’d consider would be Holloway, Broberg or Bouchard. Toss in one of the lower end Russians too, Konovalov the goalie or Maximov the forward in lieu of a pick. I think the Hawks have a chance to really make a great move here. Since Neal is the unmovable object at this point. It’s best to take him and Broberg and a 2nd rounder for Keith. I think it benefits everyone. We get a young dman about to break in. He’s huge, and can skate. That’s the deal for Keith. Taking back Neal gets us at least a 2nd rounder. Now. The Canucks have a worse conundrum with Loui Ericsson. He’s at 6 million per, and just dead space. I’d trade Keith there for Ericsson, Hoglander and a first rounder. Or I’d take one of Podkolzin and Dipietro the goalie. They want to rid themselves of Ericsson baaaaad. Both of these contracts are up after next season. That’s the only way the Hawks are gonna pluck out some top talent!!! |
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Post by tincup on Jul 1, 2021 12:49:34 GMT -6
The only players I’d consider would be Holloway, Broberg or Bouchard. Toss in one of the lower end Russians too, Konovalov the goalie or Maximov the forward in lieu of a pick. I think the Hawks have a chance to really make a great move here. Since Neal is the unmovable object at this point. It’s best to take him and Broberg and a 2nd rounder for Keith. I think it benefits everyone. We get a young dman about to break in. He’s huge, and can skate. That’s the deal for Keith. Taking back Neal gets us at least a 2nd rounder. Now. The Canucks have a worse conundrum with Loui Ericsson. He’s at 6 million per, and just dead space. I’d trade Keith there for Ericsson, Hoglander and a first rounder. Or I’d take one of Podkolzin and Dipietro the goalie. They want to rid themselves of Ericsson baaaaad. Both of these contracts are up after next season. That’s the only way the Hawks are gonna pluck out some top talent!!! Someone posted this on the Oilers proboards. I’ll keep an eye on it over there for their reaction. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2021 13:08:50 GMT -6
I think the Hawks have a chance to really make a great move here. Since Neal is the unmovable object at this point. It’s best to take him and Broberg and a 2nd rounder for Keith. I think it benefits everyone. We get a young dman about to break in. He’s huge, and can skate. That’s the deal for Keith. Taking back Neal gets us at least a 2nd rounder. Now. The Canucks have a worse conundrum with Loui Ericsson. He’s at 6 million per, and just dead space. I’d trade Keith there for Ericsson, Hoglander and a first rounder. Or I’d take one of Podkolzin and Dipietro the goalie. They want to rid themselves of Ericsson baaaaad. Both of these contracts are up after next season. That’s the only way the Hawks are gonna pluck out some top talent!!! Someone posted this on the Oilers proboards. I’ll keep an eye on it over there for their reaction. To be honest though, I don’t think DK will wanna go to Edmonton. He wants to get home and see his son. His son is growing up fast and I’d bet heading to training camp must make his stomach turn as he won’t see him for months. I feel where he’s coming from. So I think it’ll be Seattle or Vancouver. He lives in Penticton BC. Which is a 4.5 hour drive from Van. A 5.5 hour drive from Seattle. A 7.5 hour drive from Calgary and an 11 hour drive from Edmonton. So he could have his son be dropped off in Seattle or Van or flown in for a few days or when he has time off, he can fly home to see his son. And it’s probably an hour flight from Seattle or Van. The Hawks also have the ability to retain salary. My guess is somewhere DK asked the Hawks to move him out there. They probably gave his camp the ok to talk to those teams. I think out of respect for DK and his loyal service. They’ll do everything in their power to move him and make him happy. Or at least they should!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2021 13:33:14 GMT -6
I think the Hawks have a chance to really make a great move here. Since Neal is the unmovable object at this point. It’s best to take him and Broberg and a 2nd rounder for Keith. I think it benefits everyone. We get a young dman about to break in. He’s huge, and can skate. That’s the deal for Keith. Taking back Neal gets us at least a 2nd rounder. Now. The Canucks have a worse conundrum with Loui Ericsson. He’s at 6 million per, and just dead space. I’d trade Keith there for Ericsson, Hoglander and a first rounder. Or I’d take one of Podkolzin and Dipietro the goalie. They want to rid themselves of Ericsson baaaaad. Both of these contracts are up after next season. That’s the only way the Hawks are gonna pluck out some top talent!!! Someone posted this on the Oilers proboards. I’ll keep an eye on it over there for their reaction. You're brave going on their boards lol they have some of the worst fans, close with Nashville. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 1, 2021 13:50:07 GMT -6
Someone posted this on the Oilers proboards. I’ll keep an eye on it over there for their reaction. You're brave going on their boards lol they have some of the worst fans, close with Nashville. I hear you. Like you, I’ve lived among them long enough to recognize the good from the bad. I’ll talk hockey with anyone who’s rational and fair. There’s even some of those here. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2021 14:25:56 GMT -6
You're brave going on their boards lol they have some of the worst fans, close with Nashville. I hear you. Like you, I’ve lived among them long enough to recognize the good from the bad. I’ll talk hockey with anyone who’s rational and fair. There’s even some of those here. You talk with me, that’s gotta be hard on the conscience eh? Hahahahaha!!! |
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Post by tincup on Jul 1, 2021 15:02:59 GMT -6
I hear you. Like you, I’ve lived among them long enough to recognize the good from the bad. I’ll talk hockey with anyone who’s rational and fair. There’s even some of those here. You talk with me, that’s gotta be hard on the conscience eh? Hahahahaha!!! You are definitely one of the more knowledgeable posters on these boards, you fill in all those gaps where I’m pretty weak, especially the business part of the game. But the “here” I was talking about with OTH was Edmonton, since we both live in or around the city. There are some good fans here but since the Oilers are really the only major sport with the exception of the the CFL Elks (isn’t that the most boring innocuous name ever) there are some pretty rabid and headstrong fans as well. I came close to tossing them lots back in the ‘80’s in the old Colosseum when I was younger and dumber. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 1, 2021 16:34:40 GMT -6
Someone posted this on the Oilers proboards. I’ll keep an eye on it over there for their reaction. To be honest though, I don’t think DK will wanna go to Edmonton. He wants to get home and see his son. His son is growing up fast and I’d bet heading to training camp must make his stomach turn as he won’t see him for months. I feel where he’s coming from. So I think it’ll be Seattle or Vancouver. He lives in Penticton BC. Which is a 4.5 hour drive from Van. A 5.5 hour drive from Seattle. A 7.5 hour drive from Calgary and an 11 hour drive from Edmonton. So he could have his son be dropped off in Seattle or Van or flown in for a few days or when he has time off, he can fly home to see his son. And it’s probably an hour flight from Seattle or Van. The Hawks also have the ability to retain salary. My guess is somewhere DK asked the Hawks to move him out there. They probably gave his camp the ok to talk to those teams. I think out of respect for DK and his loyal service. They’ll do everything in their power to move him and make him happy. Or at least they should!!! Thanks for the info T. I think you are right in all accounts Edmonton just to far. Wont be a big return this will be more of doing right by DK. Players already have a hard time spending time with there kids it goes by quick if he has a chance to see him more you gotta respect that! |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2021 16:51:32 GMT -6
You talk with me, that’s gotta be hard on the conscience eh? Hahahahaha!!! You are definitely one of the more knowledgeable posters on these boards, you fill in all those gaps where I’m pretty weak, especially the business part of the game. But the “here” I was talking about with OTH was Edmonton, since we both live in or around the city. There are some good fans here but since the Oilers are really the only major sport with the exception of the the CFL Elks (isn’t that the most boring innocuous name ever) there are some pretty rabid and headstrong fans as well. I came close to tossing them lots back in the ‘80’s in the old Colosseum when I was younger and dumber. I’m heading out to Calgary at the beginning of August. My son has a tourney out there. I’ll see what those Albertans say about good hockey! One thing I’d like the CFL to do is lessen the amount of Canadian players they force them to have. I’m a proud Canadian, but I can’t stand protectionist views that more than likely damper the game. I’d like to see the best Canadians amongst the best they can find. I don’t think the CFL will ever really take off until that’s rectified. That style of game is really cool, they just need better players. I go to a ton of Wings games. They’ve called me 40 times this last month to get tickets. But I’ve told them 1000 times I can’t buy tickets till the border is open. Anyways, Detroit fans can be obnoxious, but for the most part their ok. Believe it or not. I seriously believe most of their seats are sold to Canadians. The loonie was in the tank, and a120$ ticket was 160$ Canadian. So for me and my boy alone it was 320$ Canadian plus food and beer and whatever. It ends up being a 500$ experience. And the product just isn’t good enough for that. Even if we go see the Hawks. So I’m hoping the mighty loonie keeps climbing and I can’t buy tickets at face value. I miss the the Michiganders with their morbidly long “A” pronunciations!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2021 16:59:35 GMT -6
To be honest though, I don’t think DK will wanna go to Edmonton. He wants to get home and see his son. His son is growing up fast and I’d bet heading to training camp must make his stomach turn as he won’t see him for months. I feel where he’s coming from. So I think it’ll be Seattle or Vancouver. He lives in Penticton BC. Which is a 4.5 hour drive from Van. A 5.5 hour drive from Seattle. A 7.5 hour drive from Calgary and an 11 hour drive from Edmonton. So he could have his son be dropped off in Seattle or Van or flown in for a few days or when he has time off, he can fly home to see his son. And it’s probably an hour flight from Seattle or Van. The Hawks also have the ability to retain salary. My guess is somewhere DK asked the Hawks to move him out there. They probably gave his camp the ok to talk to those teams. I think out of respect for DK and his loyal service. They’ll do everything in their power to move him and make him happy. Or at least they should!!! Thanks for the info T. I think you are right in all accounts Edmonton just to far. Wont be a big return this will be more of doing right by DK. Players already have a hard time spending time with there kids it goes by quick if he has a chance to see him more you gotta respect that! He’s put in more than his fair share for the Hawks, team Canada, and the NHL in general. He’s got way more yesterday’s than tomorrow’s in this league. Even if they don’t protect him and he agrees to it, then he can get taken by Seattle and be the Captain there. That may be the most logical. Not sure of airports around Penticton, but maybe even Edmonton is only an hour and 10 minute flight it seems. So ya never know. DK deserves it. I hope he gets it!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 1, 2021 18:21:41 GMT -6
The only players I’d consider would be Holloway, Broberg or Bouchard. Toss in one of the lower end Russians too, Konovalov the goalie or Maximov the forward in lieu of a pick. I think the Hawks have a chance to really make a great move here. Since Neal is the unmovable object at this point. It’s best to take him and Broberg and a 2nd rounder for Keith. I think it benefits everyone. We get a young dman about to break in. He’s huge, and can skate. That’s the deal for Keith. Taking back Neal gets us at least a 2nd rounder. Now. The Canucks have a worse conundrum with Loui Ericsson. He’s at 6 million per, and just dead space. I’d trade Keith there for Ericsson, Hoglander and a first rounder. Or I’d take one of Podkolzin and Dipietro the goalie. They want to rid themselves of Ericsson baaaaad. i hope like hell i'm undervaluing DK and the cost of eliminating a bad contract, but that seems like a big overpayment to me. i'd be tickled pink if we could get a return like either of those trade scenarios. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 1, 2021 18:34:58 GMT -6
I think the Hawks have a chance to really make a great move here. Since Neal is the unmovable object at this point. It’s best to take him and Broberg and a 2nd rounder for Keith. I think it benefits everyone. We get a young dman about to break in. He’s huge, and can skate. That’s the deal for Keith. Taking back Neal gets us at least a 2nd rounder. Now. The Canucks have a worse conundrum with Loui Ericsson. He’s at 6 million per, and just dead space. I’d trade Keith there for Ericsson, Hoglander and a first rounder. Or I’d take one of Podkolzin and Dipietro the goalie. They want to rid themselves of Ericsson baaaaad. i hope like hell i'm undervaluing DK and the cost of eliminating a bad contract, but that seems like a big overpayment to me. i'd be tickled pink if we could get a return like either of those trade scenarios. Neal only saw 29 starts with 5gls and was scratched for 2 of their 4 PO games,you gotta admit Keith still offers a lot more than that.......NO? Ericsson is just wasted money and Keith is still serviceable..........the Nucks would LOVE to shed that deal but they'll have to pay up to do so. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2021 18:35:55 GMT -6
I think the Hawks have a chance to really make a great move here. Since Neal is the unmovable object at this point. It’s best to take him and Broberg and a 2nd rounder for Keith. I think it benefits everyone. We get a young dman about to break in. He’s huge, and can skate. That’s the deal for Keith. Taking back Neal gets us at least a 2nd rounder. Now. The Canucks have a worse conundrum with Loui Ericsson. He’s at 6 million per, and just dead space. I’d trade Keith there for Ericsson, Hoglander and a first rounder. Or I’d take one of Podkolzin and Dipietro the goalie. They want to rid themselves of Ericsson baaaaad. i hope like hell i'm undervaluing DK and the cost of eliminating a bad contract, but that seems like a big overpayment to me. i'd be tickled pink if we could get a return like either of those trade scenarios. I for one seriously believe DK has another Norris in him. He just needs support. There’s not much support on the Hawks now or in the future with him here. He’s still a top defender. He hasn’t lost a step and he’s in incredible shape. He’s a guy that does too much when he’s on a bad team and it doesn’t work out for him or the team. If he was on the Oilers or Van, I seriously think he’d be a contender for the Norris. Just like with a much younger Doughty, the team is so bad that it makes people think that they’ve lost a step or are at the end. If I was a team looking to get over the hump. I’d want DK on my team. He’ll be good till he retires like Lidstrom!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2021 18:39:01 GMT -6
i hope like hell i'm undervaluing DK and the cost of eliminating a bad contract, but that seems like a big overpayment to me. i'd be tickled pink if we could get a return like either of those trade scenarios. Neal only saw 29 starts with 5gls and was scratched for 2 of their 4 PO games,you gotta admit Keith still offers a lot more than that.......NO? Ericsson is just wasted money and Keith is still serviceable..........the Nucks would LOVE to shed that deal but they'll have to pay up to do so. That’s the biggest part of it. His experience is worth a ton to a young team. Also I don’t think he’s lost a step at all. He’ll be awesome on a good team. If he got to play with McDavid and Draisaitl. My goodness he’d be very good again. Teams want guys like him. Let’s say there’s not a deal with any of those teams. So, he waives his NMC and goes to Seattle!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2021 18:42:46 GMT -6
if LA gave up a second and a third for Arvidsson, who makes a million less but has one more year left on his deal, one would think we could get as much for a 3 time Cup winner...
one would think...
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 1, 2021 18:46:13 GMT -6
i hope like hell i'm undervaluing DK and the cost of eliminating a bad contract, but that seems like a big overpayment to me. i'd be tickled pink if we could get a return like either of those trade scenarios. Neal only saw 29 starts with 5gls and was scratched for 2 of their 4 PO games,you gotta admit Keith still offers a lot more than that.......NO? Ericsson is just wasted money and Keith is still serviceable..........the Nucks would LOVE to shed that deal but they'll have to pay up to do so. not arguing that. neal and ericsson are not high on anyone's list. but it wasn't keith for neal straight up....he proposed keith for neal, broberg and a 2nd. and keith for ericsson, hoglander and a 1st. again.....boy oh boy would i love to be wrong on this one. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 1, 2021 18:46:27 GMT -6
Neal only saw 29 starts with 5gls and was scratched for 2 of their 4 PO games,you gotta admit Keith still offers a lot more than that.......NO? Ericsson is just wasted money and Keith is still serviceable..........the Nucks would LOVE to shed that deal but they'll have to pay up to do so. That’s the biggest part of it. His experience is worth a ton to a young team. Also I don’t think he’s lost a step at all. He’ll be awesome on a good team. If he got to play with McDavid and Draisaitl. My goodness he’d be very good again. Teams want guys like him. Let’s say there’s not a deal with any of those teams. So, he waives his NMC and goes to Seattle!!! I love DK as much as you do T but another Norris would FLOOR me! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 1, 2021 18:50:11 GMT -6
if LA gave up a second and a third for Arvidsson, who makes a million less but has one more year left on his deal, one would think we could get as much for a 3 time Cup winner... one would think... one's 37, the other's 28. for the third time....i really want to be wrong on this. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 1, 2021 18:52:20 GMT -6
Neal only saw 29 starts with 5gls and was scratched for 2 of their 4 PO games,you gotta admit Keith still offers a lot more than that.......NO? Ericsson is just wasted money and Keith is still serviceable..........the Nucks would LOVE to shed that deal but they'll have to pay up to do so. not arguing that. neal and ericsson are not high on anyone's list. but it wasn't keith for neal straight up....he proposed keith for neal, broberg and a 2nd. and keith for ericsson, hoglander and a 1st. again.....boy oh boy would i love to be wrong on this one. They're not only not high on anyone's list,they're absolute salary dumps at this point and I believe DK still has decent value to the right team and the difference has to fetch something decent as well IMO. No one would do Neal or Ericsson for Keith straight up,Edt or Van would have to sweeten.....how much I'm not sure. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 1, 2021 18:54:37 GMT -6
if LA gave up a second and a third for Arvidsson, who makes a million less but has one more year left on his deal, one would think we could get as much for a 3 time Cup winner... one would think... one's 37, the other's 28. for the third time....i really want to be wrong on this. Do you believe Keith is worth any type of return or do you consider him a salary dump? |
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