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Post by squishy24 on Jul 12, 2021 16:56:47 GMT -6
Not saying it makes any sense. Just posting it!!! This is actually nice. Expose Z and Dehaan if you cant trade them out before the expansion draft |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 12, 2021 17:30:41 GMT -6
All the best to DK....first ballot HOF and #2 will be retired. Man, it's sad watching the Cup era fade away... yessir. best of luck to him. glad he can spend his last couple years closer to his boy. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 12, 2021 17:32:29 GMT -6
I was gonna ask what the mood is up there. i read a bunch of shit last night from Oiler fans saying basically if Holland doesn't require the hawks to retain salary, the trade is a loss... they gotta especially hate that they gave up a prospect and a pick as well. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 12, 2021 17:34:55 GMT -6
Every Oilers board ive been dont like it. Point is always Keith’s caphit and decline the last two years. Also is the 3rd rounder 2022? first thing I thought of as well. must be next year's third. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 12, 2021 17:45:41 GMT -6
More to it?
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 12, 2021 17:48:51 GMT -6
The 2 worst GM's make a trade. I never stick up for Scam Bowman. I don’t blame him here. He traded a guy to a team that was pretty much the only possibility to go to. He got something for him, basically a 3rd rounder and cap space. I doubt he uses the money wisely. However I fear not only is “it” over, but it’s gonna be a long time before the Hawks get back to relevance. Unless Scam is a really good Scammer, and he pulls off half a dozen great trades. I fear he’s setting the team back a couple decades!!! Basically, the Keith trade was about doing a favor for a guy who did a lot for the Hawks and who could not revive the team with the rest of the personnel on it. So, they got a little more cap space. The 3d rounder, if he even exists, will be irrelevant, given how few of these draft picks ever have careers in the NHL. Maybe Scam will get Seth Jones, after he dumps Caleb, but even Seth Jones will not be enough to shore up the bad group of dmen they have. Everywhere you look, this team needs serious help and Bowman is not the guy who can get it here. It's too bad that Toews and Kane don't want out of Chicago both for their sake and the team's. I would especially like to see Kane play out the rest of his NHL time on a team that is relevant and has a decent shot of giving him a bit more glory. Same for Toews, but I don't enjoy watching him play as much as I do Kane. Yet I would like to see Toews get on a good team also to put some spark back in his play. It can't be any fun at all for those two guys any more in Chicago. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 12, 2021 17:50:36 GMT -6
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 12, 2021 18:24:12 GMT -6
They left out the part about how Keith, after the Oilers win three rounds, will have to flip a Loonie for the final determination on whether the pick is a second, or third rounder. Which side of the Loonie determines which pick is yet to be determined. But, Bowman will make the choice. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 12, 2021 18:29:00 GMT -6
going by twitter alone, it seems we won the keith trade overwhelmingly.
myself, i'm going to hold judgement until we see how keith and jones play under a different systems next season.
anyways....i hope getting caleb helps us nab seth. (if that was part of bowman's master plan) although i did read a tweet from a pundit yesterday saying that caleb jones was supposedly on the hawks' radar long before his big brother was rumored to be leaving the jackets.
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Post by tincup on Jul 12, 2021 18:41:44 GMT -6
going by twitter alone, it seems we won the keith trade overwhelmingly. myself, i'm going to hold judgement until we see how keith and jones play under a different systems next season. anyways....i hope getting caleb helps us nab seth. (if that was part of bowman's master plan) although i did read a tweet from a pundit yesterday saying that caleb jones was supposedly on the hawks' radar long before his big brother was rumored to be leaving the jackets. Nobody, and I mean nobody, on the Oilers site is regretting losing Jones. Why Bowman would pursue him prior to Seth making himself available is a puzzler. But Bowman obviously believes in bloodlines, it’s a philosophy that’s served him well. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 12, 2021 19:05:37 GMT -6
If this next season is a flop. I think it’ll be best to let the last two to go to greener pastures. I think either the Hawks make a move now, or just say it’s “so”. It’s a tough thing to do, but I feel it’s best for all involved!!!
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Post by number9 on Jul 12, 2021 19:07:26 GMT -6
going by twitter alone, it seems we won the keith trade overwhelmingly. myself, i'm going to hold judgement until we see how keith and jones play under a different systems next season. anyways....i hope getting caleb helps us nab seth. (if that was part of bowman's master plan) although i did read a tweet from a pundit yesterday saying that caleb jones was supposedly on the hawks' radar long before his big brother was rumored to be leaving the jackets. Master plan? If you took an xray of bowman's brain you'd find a hamster in a wheel. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 12, 2021 19:13:11 GMT -6
going by twitter alone, it seems we won the keith trade overwhelmingly. myself, i'm going to hold judgement until we see how keith and jones play under a different systems next season. anyways....i hope getting caleb helps us nab seth. (if that was part of bowman's master plan) although i did read a tweet from a pundit yesterday saying that caleb jones was supposedly on the hawks' radar long before his big brother was rumored to be leaving the jackets. Nobody, and I mean nobody, on the Oilers site is regretting losing Jones. Why Bowman would pursue him prior to Seth making himself available is a puzzler. But Bowman obviously believes in bloodlines, it’s a philosophy that’s served him well. on those bob stauffer podcasts you dropped back on page 2 of this thread, didn't he mention that having caleb might entice seth to sign in chicago? i might be totally wrong but i did hear it or read it somewhere, memories getting worse by the day. i'll give it a listen again later in the day and pin point it down if in fact it's there. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 12, 2021 19:20:03 GMT -6
Nobody, and I mean nobody, on the Oilers site is regretting losing Jones. Why Bowman would pursue him prior to Seth making himself available is a puzzler. But Bowman obviously believes in bloodlines, it’s a philosophy that’s served him well. on those bob stauffer podcasts you dropped back on page 2 of this thread, didn't he mention that having caleb might entice seth to sign in chicago? i might be totally wrong but i did hear it or read it somewhere, memories getting worse by the day. i'll give it a listen again later in the day and pin point it down if in fact it's there. That’s true, Stauffer did imply that. But if Bowman was interested in Caleb before Seth telegraphed his intentions not to sign with Columbus, then I’m missing what he saw. Unless Bowman was already thinking of asking Columbus for a trade before Seth’s statement. Bowman has tried the brothers act before with the Hayes brothers. So who knows. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 12, 2021 19:38:30 GMT -6
high praise from the great bob verdi. Keith here was, and with the Oilers will remain, the quintessential hockey player. Talented, devoted, smart, creative, loyal, reliable, indefatigable, selfless and -- to steal Bobby Hull's description of Stan Mikita -- tougher than a night in jail. There was nothing Keith didn't do for the Blackhawks, except take a night off. He left everything out there on frozen pond, including his teeth.
"I had to work hard," Keith said. "I heard things along the way, when I was a kid. I was too small. 'How is he going to survive?' And once you get to the NHL, then it's about staying in the NHL. Once you get in the door, it didn't mean I could take a breath. Nothing beats hard work."www.nhl.com/blackhawks/news/the-verdict-duncan-keith-the-quintessential-hockey-player/c-325637380 |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 12, 2021 22:07:34 GMT -6
going by twitter alone, it seems we won the keith trade overwhelmingly. myself, i'm going to hold judgement until we see how keith and jones play under a different systems next season. anyways....i hope getting caleb helps us nab seth. (if that was part of bowman's master plan) although i did read a tweet from a pundit yesterday saying that caleb jones was supposedly on the hawks' radar long before his big brother was rumored to be leaving the jackets. I don't. cuz I know that stupid fucker will trade a first rounder for a guy that has already said he won't sign a long term deal with anyone in a sign and trade. trading a first for ANYONE right now is dumb as shit. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 12, 2021 22:32:06 GMT -6
going by twitter alone, it seems we won the keith trade overwhelmingly. myself, i'm going to hold judgement until we see how keith and jones play under a different systems next season. anyways....i hope getting caleb helps us nab seth. (if that was part of bowman's master plan) although i did read a tweet from a pundit yesterday saying that caleb jones was supposedly on the hawks' radar long before his big brother was rumored to be leaving the jackets. I don't. cuz I know that stupid fucker will trade a first rounder for a guy that has already said he won't sign a long term deal with anyone in a sign and trade. trading a first for ANYONE right now is dumb as shit. he's just 26 with 8 seasons under his belt (580 games, missed just 38 games). he's big and he's entering his prime. he'd be our #1 for years to come. if we can swing it, i want him. if we have his brother it might make a difference. who knows? |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 12, 2021 22:34:57 GMT -6
C Jones seemed to be unable to stay in the Oil lineup and the Oil D ain't very good and he saw action in two of the team's 4 PO games last year and none this year. If he was dinged up,that may explain it and he's only 24 but if he's been healthy scratched to a large extent and didn't sniff the 1st round games this year......no Bueno.
A mid grade prospect and a 3rd and the Oiler fans are pissed off? Oiler fans wouldn't know a good D-man if he kicked em square in the ass.
A 2nd if the Oil win three rounds?......LOFL! The Oil won't win three rounds in the next three years.
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Post by Tater on Jul 12, 2021 22:35:13 GMT -6
It seems like we always end up with the lesser of two brothers lately. Strome, Nylander, and now Jones.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 12, 2021 22:41:12 GMT -6
It seems like we always end up with the lesser of two brothers lately. Strome, Nylander, and now Jones. Subban too |
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Post by Tater on Jul 12, 2021 22:55:29 GMT -6
It seems like we always end up with the lesser of two brothers lately. Strome, Nylander, and now Jones. Subban too Call call. I knew I was leaving someone out. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 12, 2021 23:08:27 GMT -6
C Jones seemed to be unable to stay in the Oil lineup and the Oil D ain't very good and he saw action in two of the team's 4 PO games last year and none this year. If he was dinged up,that may explain it and he's only 24 but if he's been healthy scratched to a large extent and didn't sniff the 1st round games this year......no Bueno. A mid grade prospect and a 3rd and the Oiler fans are pissed off? Oiler fans wouldn't know a good D-man if he kicked em square in the ass. A 2nd if the Oil win three rounds?......LOFL! The Oil won't win three rounds in the next three years. That's why I didn't like the Caleb rumors last trade deadline and I don't like this trade. There's absolutely no way the Oilers make the Stanley Cup final so the Hawks get a 3rd and Jones for a guy who'll most likely be slotted properly behind Nurse and probably thrive because he doesn't have to play top 2 minutes. Plus Soderlund is a decent player, snake bitten but he's fast and plays bigger than his size. Stan and Jeremy really screwed up, Keith started last season with Gustafsson 🙄 and this season with a small rookie in Mitchell then Boqvist. Stan couldn't get a guy to reduce Keith's minutes and JC overworked him with guys not ready. If they don't get Seth Jones or Hamilton, it'll be another long season. Offer Columbus Strome and Murphy or Boqvist. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 13, 2021 0:58:32 GMT -6
I don't. cuz I know that stupid fucker will trade a first rounder for a guy that has already said he won't sign a long term deal with anyone in a sign and trade. trading a first for ANYONE right now is dumb as shit. he's just 26 with 8 seasons under his belt (580 games, missed just 38 games). he's big and he's entering his prime. he'd be our #1 for years to come. if we can swing it, i want him. if we have his brother it might make a difference. who knows? this pretty much sums it up for me... (at least the first half of it). thehockeywriters.com/chicago-blackhawks-seth-jones-dougie-hamilton/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation |
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Post by jaty84 on Jul 13, 2021 1:01:50 GMT -6
Well, yesterday I was complaining that there are still no blockbuster trades and now this. Although this surely ain't a blockbuster from a general fan point of view, from our perspective it is. Never seen play Chelios, Pilote or other great Dmen in Hawks sweater, so difficult to judge, but from my point of view Duncs is and always will be a Hawks' legend.
These days it's very difficult to find bright spots within the decisions our front office makes, but in this case I have to praise Bowman or whoever was behind the trade. Duncs was a warrior for the team the past 15 years and if he wants to share his life more with his family, it's up to him and great PR from the organization for once to make this happen. I doubt he was happy here the last period of time.
Considering how limited options were where to trade him, a 3rd rounder is a good return. Caleb Jones probably won't be a Norris caliber Dmen or maybe even a NHL caliber Dmen, but fortunately for him, Hawks are far away from a win now mode so he can get and probably will get a chance to proove himself. If he'll fail, so be it.
Now as several other guys mentioned, the question is who'll be now our senior Dman, not necesserily no. 1 Dman, to guide younger plays. I doubt DeHaan has the tools and charisma to be such a guy. From what I've sensed, neither Duncs was rushing into developing other guys, but was at least a great example of work ethic needed to proove yourself in this league.
We'll see. Maybe the next 10 days will provide a couple of replies to my questions...
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 13, 2021 9:49:54 GMT -6
C Jones seemed to be unable to stay in the Oil lineup and the Oil D ain't very good and he saw action in two of the team's 4 PO games last year and none this year. If he was dinged up,that may explain it and he's only 24 but if he's been healthy scratched to a large extent and didn't sniff the 1st round games this year......no Bueno. A mid grade prospect and a 3rd and the Oiler fans are pissed off? Oiler fans wouldn't know a good D-man if he kicked em square in the ass. A 2nd if the Oil win three rounds?......LOFL! The Oil won't win three rounds in the next three years. This trade certaintly wasn't about the return for Keith, cuz that return amounts to nothing, given the number of drafted players who never even play in the NHL. Caleb Jones sucks, so it was mostly doing a favor for Keith and creating a little more cap space. Keith, though a great one, wasn't going to lead the hopeless Hawks to the promised land, so why not trade him now. Keith will be judged by his years of great play, not by what the Hawks got for him in the end. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 13, 2021 10:54:13 GMT -6
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Post by gigecj on Jul 13, 2021 11:10:17 GMT -6
Thank you so very much DK!
So many Hall of Fame memories...
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Post by gigecj on Jul 13, 2021 11:27:52 GMT -6
Here are just a few of my own memories of #2:
His Norris years (and others that could have been)
His Connie
His play in the penultimate game against Tampa Bay in 2015
His reputation against the Canucks was "special."
His loss of teeth while winning a Cup (the after interview was Keef-special)
His quick, sideways move along the blueline to re-position himself for a better shot or assist
His stamina seemed to exceed that of every other player
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Post by vonbeck on Jul 13, 2021 11:54:31 GMT -6
While this article's summation sucks for us fans, it is in my humble opinion the absolute right thing to do. Wait another year or 2 play the kids find out what we really have then go ahead and make that blockbuster trade. Hamilton is going to want a truck load of money for a mainly offensive-Dman and while I would love Jones on the Hawks as a solid (and durable) Dman is it worth the gamble to trade away some promising youth for perhaps a rental. And believe me even if we could get Gretzky in his prime, I don't think this team is winning a Cup with the current roster. My point is one guy isn't gonna make this team hoist Lord Stanley's...
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 13, 2021 12:05:10 GMT -6
If this next season is a flop. I think it’ll be best to let the last two to go to greener pastures. I think either the Hawks make a move now, or just say it’s “so”. It’s a tough thing to do, but I feel it’s best for all involved!!! If? I think all of the seasons since 2017 have been de facto flops--even with the play-in. I cannot see how this upcoming season will be anything but unless one of our netminders have career--as in .925+ seasons and Debrincat, Kane, Toews, and Koob follow suit and catch fire. Otherwise this year will likely be as painful as a ghost-pepper enema...keeping in mind that with Keith we were looking at a Habanero enema. I think much like Keith, if Kane and Toews want out all they have to do is ask. |
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