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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 28, 2021 11:55:20 GMT -6
Who's the defense on this rebuilt team? Jones is a legit number 1, but it literally falls after that to a bunch of borderline number 4 guys who are realistically 5/6/7s....all the MAFs in the world aren't going to cover up the glaring void that is the Hawks defense. Bingo. Even taking the system out of it; beyond Seth jones how does everyone else stack up? I doubt *any* of our other defenseman would be higher than 5 or 6 on the depth chart on any of our cup-winning teams. Even though those defenses were tougher than a coffin nail, it shows the drop-off and yeah, if Crawford couldn't carry them, MAF won't do much better considering how similar their career numbers are. My best guess is that with the possibility of a returning Toews, Stan thinks Toews, Kane, Debrincat, Koob, Jones, and MaF might be good enough for a deep run--disregarding how barren the lineup is beneath all of that. The depth hasn't really been addressed and can't be without more capspace. I think if the team makes the playoffs they'll be pounded like an anus in the vicinity of Peter North. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 28, 2021 15:18:25 GMT -6
Retain a mil or 2 move to Avs for Byram, netmiders musical chairs today no place for Avs to sit.
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Post by vadarx on Jul 28, 2021 16:05:27 GMT -6
Retain a mil or 2 move to Avs for Byram, netmiders musical chairs today no place for Avs to sit. yeah, I wonder if the MAF moves ends up paying off in a way that doesn't involve him playing here. Colorado has no goalie now. for a team going for it, it looks like their weakness will be in net (again). same with Carolina, despite them taking Andersson and Ranta. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 28, 2021 16:33:08 GMT -6
Retain a mil or 2 move to Avs for Byram, netmiders musical chairs today no place for Avs to sit. yeah, I wonder if the MAF moves ends up paying off in a way that doesn't involve him playing here. Colorado has no goalie now. for a team going for it, it looks like their weakness will be in net (again). same with Carolina, despite them taking Andersson and Ranta. Or maybe the Hawks pull a Tampa and just play him in the playoffs. Put him on LTIR all year and use him towards the end and just the playoffs. Never know!!! |
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Post by jaty84 on Jul 29, 2021 0:16:19 GMT -6
Retain a mil or 2 move to Avs for Byram, netmiders musical chairs today no place for Avs to sit. yeah, I wonder if the MAF moves ends up paying off in a way that doesn't involve him playing here. Colorado has no goalie now. for a team going for it, it looks like their weakness will be in net (again). same with Carolina, despite them taking Andersson and Ranta. I don't get Carolina's approach. They trade away a young and promising Nedeljkovic who consequently signs a 3.5M per 3-year deal with the wings and then a couple days later they sign Andersson to 2 year deal 4.5M per. Didn't they trust in Nedeljkovic or was there something else? From a strong 3-goalie tandem they have a solid 2 goalie tandem but IMHO these are not the goalies that lead you to a SC. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 29, 2021 0:21:15 GMT -6
yeah, I wonder if the MAF moves ends up paying off in a way that doesn't involve him playing here. Colorado has no goalie now. for a team going for it, it looks like their weakness will be in net (again). same with Carolina, despite them taking Andersson and Ranta. I don't get Carolina's approach. They trade away a young and promising Nedeljkovic who consequently signs a 3.5M per 3-year deal with the wings and then a couple days later they sign Andersson to 2 year deal 4.5M per. Didn't they trust in Nedeljkovic or was there something else? From a strong 3-goalie tandem they have a solid 2 goalie tandem but IMHO these are not the goalies that lead you to a SC. yeah, I have no idea wtf Carolina is doing. also, I guess so much for Colorado as well now. |
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Post by jaty84 on Jul 29, 2021 0:45:57 GMT -6
I don't get Carolina's approach. They trade away a young and promising Nedeljkovic who consequently signs a 3.5M per 3-year deal with the wings and then a couple days later they sign Andersson to 2 year deal 4.5M per. Didn't they trust in Nedeljkovic or was there something else? From a strong 3-goalie tandem they have a solid 2 goalie tandem but IMHO these are not the goalies that lead you to a SC. yeah, I have no idea wtf Carolina is doing. also, I guess so much for Colorado as well now. Nowadays to be an Avalanche fan, you'd have to be quite perplexed about your SC chances. They are able to retain the core, but too few players are eating a considerable portion of their cap. Will be difficult to put together lines 3 & 4. Donskoi gone, Saad pretty much gone, Bellemare to Tampa. And with regards to goalie situation... I cheer for them and they were my topfavorites to win the cup this year. Even Grubauer was a question mark going into playoffs. Hopefully they have a very promising goalie within their system who'll jump in and takes over the reins. If not, it their "Kuemper" signing reminds to Hawks & Niemi situation. You'd have to be veeery dominant offensively and with puck possesion to win the cup trying to avoid too many shots on your goalie. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 29, 2021 7:20:23 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Jul 29, 2021 7:34:46 GMT -6
Avs get Kuemper for a 1st next year a cond. 3rd in 24 and 22yro D-man Timmins who started all 10 of their PO games while scores of available tenders signed as UFA's yesterday. Does this make any sense.....is Kuemper a must have?
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 29, 2021 8:08:10 GMT -6
Avs get Kuemper for a 1st next year a cond. 3rd in 24 and 22yro D-man Timmins who started all 10 of their PO games while scores of available tenders signed as UFA's yesterday. Does this make any sense.....is Kuemper a must have? I might say Darcy is a solid 1.5 goalie. Not quite a #1, but a bit better than a #2. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 29, 2021 8:25:22 GMT -6
Avs get Kuemper for a 1st next year a cond. 3rd in 24 and 22yro D-man Timmins who started all 10 of their PO games while scores of available tenders signed as UFA's yesterday. Does this make any sense.....is Kuemper a must have? looks like a panic trade. Sakic probably missed out on a lot of goalies in the market and Kuemper was the last available that is close to starter Avs could be another Fleury suitor at TDL |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 29, 2021 9:06:56 GMT -6
Avs get Kuemper for a 1st next year a cond. 3rd in 24 and 22yro D-man Timmins who started all 10 of their PO games while scores of available tenders signed as UFA's yesterday. Does this make any sense.....is Kuemper a must have? I might say Darcy is a solid 1.5 goalie. Not quite a #1, but a bit better than a #2. Seems like an overpayment T-man. A lotta tenders were there for the taking yesterday at reasonable $$$ without giving up the resources the Avs did,Keumper only has one left @3.5M. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 29, 2021 9:45:08 GMT -6
Avs get Kuemper for a 1st next year a cond. 3rd in 24 and 22yro D-man Timmins who started all 10 of their PO games while scores of available tenders signed as UFA's yesterday. Does this make any sense.....is Kuemper a must have? Stan would've taken a 3rd and a guy in his mid 20's, tired of seeing teams getting higher picks and better prospects when Stan should've done the same, especially the Panarin trade, he had much higher value than Saad but Stan gave them Gilbert and we got little Lindholm. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 29, 2021 10:23:08 GMT -6
Avs get Kuemper for a 1st next year a cond. 3rd in 24 and 22yro D-man Timmins who started all 10 of their PO games while scores of available tenders signed as UFA's yesterday. Does this make any sense.....is Kuemper a must have? Stan would've taken a 3rd and a guy in his mid 20's, tired of seeing teams getting higher picks and better prospects when Stan should've done the same, especially the Panarin trade, he had much higher value than Saad but Stan gave them Gilbert and we got little Lindholm. Noticing the $$$ Detroit paid Suter and the article mentioning how many Detroit players played with him previously in JR's.....OHL Jr's...and thought well of him... www.nhl.com/redwings/news/red-wings-agree-to-terms-with-center-pius-suter/c-325853550Why not qualify him for aprox 1.1M and look for a trade partner after a pretty solid season or is the FO just ignorant of these things. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 29, 2021 11:49:56 GMT -6
so.... any word if Fleury is going to play or retire? The goalie market is becoming thin. I see Dubnyk as the last "good" UFA
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Post by hsbob on Jul 29, 2021 11:51:31 GMT -6
so.... any word if Fleury is going to play or retire? The goalie market is becoming thin. I see Dubnyk as the last "good" UFA Rask too but that's about it. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 29, 2021 11:53:42 GMT -6
so.... any word if Fleury is going to play or retire? The goalie market is becoming thin. I see Dubnyk as the last "good" UFA Rask too but that's about it. wouldnt that be crazy? i mean if Fleury retires and Stan goes for Rask  |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 29, 2021 11:59:03 GMT -6
Rask too but that's about it. wouldnt that be crazy? i mean if Fleury retires and Stan goes for Rask Why not give up more assets and trade for Price's 10.5MX5.....it's only money right? |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 29, 2021 13:25:15 GMT -6
With all the Fleury talk, Subban has become the forgotten goalie. What is his status now? He's under contract for this season at $850K but he can't exactly feel wanted since the Hawks traded for his replacement and are willing to pay Fleury $7M.
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Post by vadarx on Jul 29, 2021 14:14:17 GMT -6
With all the Fleury talk, Subban has become the forgotten goalie. What is his status now? He's under contract for this season at $850K but he can't exactly feel wanted since the Hawks traded for his replacement and are willing to pay Fleury $7M. career backup at this point, imo. at best. he would probably do well to play in Rockford/the AHL for a season or two if just to get a lot of playing time. feels like a guy who probably gets shipped out with DeHaan or Strome if MAF decides to play in Chicago this season. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 29, 2021 15:42:33 GMT -6
With all the Fleury talk, Subban has become the forgotten goalie. What is his status now? He's under contract for this season at $850K but he can't exactly feel wanted since the Hawks traded for his replacement and are willing to pay Fleury $7M. career backup at this point, imo. at best. he would probably do well to play in Rockford/the AHL for a season or two if just to get a lot of playing time. feels like a guy who probably gets shipped out with DeHaan or Strome if MAF decides to play in Chicago this season. With Soderblom and Delia in Rockford, it does seem like Subban could be a candidate to be included in a trade where he's a minor piece, depending on Fleury. Although I don't know who those teams might be that would take him. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 29, 2021 16:24:16 GMT -6
career backup at this point, imo. at best. he would probably do well to play in Rockford/the AHL for a season or two if just to get a lot of playing time. feels like a guy who probably gets shipped out with DeHaan or Strome if MAF decides to play in Chicago this season. With Soderblom and Delia in Rockford, it does seem like Subban could be a candidate to be included in a trade where he's a minor piece, depending on Fleury. Although I don't know who those teams might be that would take him. cheap backup on the last year of his deal if someone had a goalie injured. or just to be a backup. AZ seems like they could be a candidate. heck, he might even split starts there... off topic but I saw noticed az has 5 second round picks next year, lol... maybe they will take a third for Connolly and Subban. |
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Post by mvr on Jul 29, 2021 18:18:30 GMT -6
Fleury's agent, Allan Walsh, is as slick as they come. He'll exploit any angle to improve his client's leverage.
My guess is that Walsh is attempting to generate a contract extension for Fleury with Chicago, holding the potential holdout"retirement" threat as the chip to get in the game.
Fleury will come, but only if the Hawks sign on for one or two additional years.
If I am Bowman, I play in. Offer an additional one year at $3 M. No player in his late thirties with a family wants the uncertainty.
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Post by vadarx on Jul 29, 2021 18:43:19 GMT -6
Fleury's agent, Allan Walsh, is as slick as they come. He'll exploit any angle to improve his client's leverage. My guess is that Walsh is attempting to generate a contract extension for Fleury with Chicago, holding the potential holdout"retirement" threat as the chip to get in the game. Fleury will come, but only if the Hawks sign on for one or two additional years. If I am Bowman, I play in. Offer an additional one year at $3 M. No player in his late thirties with a family wants the uncertainty. if they are planning on going for it the next 2 years, it wouldn't be the worst idea. |
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Post by Tater on Jul 29, 2021 23:33:34 GMT -6
What happens and what are the Hawks options if Fleury doesn't come here?
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Post by vadarx on Jul 30, 2021 1:57:47 GMT -6
What happens and what are the Hawks options if Fleury doesn't come here? they have 7 million more to spend if the free agency bonanza. if he doesn't report... well, I doubt that happens, but I believe the team would start fining him and hopefully he would come to town. otherwise, I am sure there is some mechanism that would allow the 'hawks to get out of paying him... MAF has always seemed like a good guy to me, so I doubt he waits too long to make up his mind. |
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Post by Tater on Jul 30, 2021 2:08:43 GMT -6
What happens and what are the Hawks options if Fleury doesn't come here? they have 7 million more to spend if the free agency bonanza. if he doesn't report... well, I doubt that happens, but I believe the team would start fining him and hopefully he would come to town. otherwise, I am sure there is some mechanism that would allow the 'hawks to get out of paying him...
MAF has always seemed like a good guy to me, so I doubt he waits too long to make up his mind.I hope so too. Such a bizarre situation.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 30, 2021 2:24:56 GMT -6
not that i'm that concerned but i wonder...do we still lose hakkarainen if fleury ends up not coming?
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Post by jaty84 on Jul 30, 2021 2:41:10 GMT -6
not that i'm that concerned but i wonder...do we still lose hakkarainen if fleury ends up not coming? I suppose a trade is a trade. No warranty period or something like that  |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 30, 2021 4:14:31 GMT -6
not that i'm that concerned but i wonder...do we still lose hakkarainen if fleury ends up not coming? I suppose a trade is a trade. No warranty period or something like that i reckon you're right. |
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