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Post by hsbob on Jul 27, 2021 9:43:32 GMT -6
bleacherreport.com/post/chicago-blackhawks/e191bef9-3d7c-4c16-ab9c-f770ec4f00a1Added 20 million worth of vet players(more like worth-less)two summers ago and another 20 million of vet players this summer and our resident genius says we're rebuilding. I KNEW this oragnization didn't have the stomach or the confidence to be bad enough to get the picks necessary for a thorough rebuild and they proved it.
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 27, 2021 9:48:13 GMT -6
Got a message from ESPN/Emily Kaplan that the 'hawks are working on a trade for MAF.
By my count the 'hawks have ~7.5M in cap space, and MAF is 7M.
Not a good move for a rebuild. I think Stan is trying to go for it. If he thinks this team is anywhere near competing...even with Jones, Toews, and MAF, he needs to share the drugs he's on with the rest of us.
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Post by tincup on Jul 27, 2021 9:55:38 GMT -6
Got a message from ESPN/Emily Kaplan that the 'hawks are working on a trade for MAF. By my count the 'hawks have ~7.5M in cap space, and MAF is 7M. Not a good move for a rebuild. I think Stan is trying to go for it. If he thinks this team is anywhere near competing...even with Jones, Toews, and MAF, he needs to share the drugs he's on with the rest of us. Like Bob said above. Wow. I wasn’t totally against this earlier if we got a nice piece coming back for taking that contract but recent events have soured me on it. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 27, 2021 10:19:14 GMT -6
Got a message from ESPN/Emily Kaplan that the 'hawks are working on a trade for MAF. By my count the 'hawks have ~7.5M in cap space, and MAF is 7M. Not a good move for a rebuild. I think Stan is trying to go for it. If he thinks this team is anywhere near competing...even with Jones, Toews, and MAF, he needs to share the drugs he's on with the rest of us. Like Bob said above. Wow. I wasn’t totally against this earlier if we got a nice piece coming back for taking that contract but recent events have soured me on it. Just got a notification on BR that MAF might retire rather than report to Chicago...... |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 27, 2021 10:32:52 GMT -6
At least the Hawks didn't give up a future draft pick for MAF. Mikael Hakkarainen will become a Silver Knight.
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Post by vonbeck on Jul 27, 2021 10:38:29 GMT -6
Stan Bowman at the podium... "we're going to play our younger guys to see what we have" (aka a Rebuild)
2 minutes later Stan whips out a wad of cash from his tiny little suit pants, "we're gonna go for it this year!"
I truly dislike this guy...
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Post by mikeveisor on Jul 27, 2021 10:51:44 GMT -6
<<Marc-Andre Fleury...has apparently been traded to Chicago. Marc-Andre will be taking time to discuss his situation with his family and seriously evaluate his hockey future at this time.>>
It would be something if MAF goes the CC route, so to speak.
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Post by davebrau on Jul 27, 2021 11:22:32 GMT -6
im seeing this out and about now, hmm.. interesting..
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 27, 2021 11:45:56 GMT -6
Crow was a UFA when he signed with NJ then retired, MAF still has 1yr left, so will Vegas lose draft picks if he retires?
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 27, 2021 11:50:29 GMT -6
im seeing this out and about now, hmm.. interesting.. What does that do to their cap situation, if he does not retire as he said he might if traded from Vegas? Cap Friendly has him in the last year of his contract for 21/22 at $7 million, which puts the Hawks right up against the cap with several still not signed. I don't know how Bowman pulls this off without weakening the team in other areas. Maybe he figures that Fleury will just get shutout after shutout after shutout no matter who is in front of him. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 27, 2021 11:51:06 GMT -6
Stan Bowman at the podium... "we're going to play our younger guys to see what we have" (aka a Rebuild) 2 minutes later Stan whips out a wad of cash from his tiny little suit pants, "we're gonna go for it this year!" I truly dislike this guy... playing devil's advocate - they did that ^ last year and they probably came to the conclusion that the younger guys arent ready or just plain sucks |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 27, 2021 11:55:07 GMT -6
im seeing this out and about now, hmm.. interesting.. What does that do to their cap situation, if he does not retire as he said he might if traded from Vegas? Cap Friendly has him the last year of his contract for 21/22 at $7 million, which puts the Hawks right up against the cap with several still not signed. I don't know how Bowman pulls this off without weakening the team in other areas. Maybe he figures that Fleury will just get shutout after shutout after shutout no matter who is in front of him. I'm sure they're trying to move de Haan and possibly Strome, plus they can go over the cap a little during the summer. |
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Post by vonbeck on Jul 27, 2021 12:04:16 GMT -6
Stan Bowman at the podium... "we're going to play our younger guys to see what we have" (aka a Rebuild) 2 minutes later Stan whips out a wad of cash from his tiny little suit pants, "we're gonna go for it this year!" I truly dislike this guy... playing devil's advocate - they did that ^ last year and they probably came to the conclusion that the younger guys arent ready or just plain sucks I hear ya, but if they're just going on a one year shortened season that the kids aren't ready or are just bad, then this team is in a lot worse shape then I thought.
Anyway the acquisition of MAF and the $7 mil. that goes with it just might be moot at this point because rumors are out there that he just might retire.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 27, 2021 12:11:10 GMT -6
im seeing this out and about now, hmm.. interesting.. What does that do to their cap situation, if he does not retire as he said he might if traded from Vegas? Cap Friendly has him in the last year of his contract for 21/22 at $7 million, which puts the Hawks right up against the cap with several still not signed. I don't know how Bowman pulls this off without weakening the team in other areas. Maybe he figures that Fleury will just get shutout after shutout after shutout no matter who is in front of him. Technically they will have the 10.5 from the Seabs and Shaw cap space after the first game. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 27, 2021 12:23:11 GMT -6
I don’t understand this. I have to think Scambo is about to be shitcanned. So he’s doing the most desperate moves a GM can make. This is gonna be painful when they miss the playoffs and can’t afford to pay anyone else. I sure hope this is the final straw.
I honestly think Scambo wanted the team to finish last. He tried tanking and that didn’t even work out. He can’t even fail if he tries. But when he tries he fails.
This’ll be interesting. But I still feel it’s too much too late and he just helped out Vegas. He should a made them retain 2 million!!!
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 27, 2021 12:23:28 GMT -6
playing devil's advocate - they did that ^ last year and they probably came to the conclusion that the younger guys arent ready or just plain sucks I hear ya, but if they're just going on a one year shortened season that the kids aren't ready or are just bad, then this team is in a lot worse shape then I thought.
Anyway the acquisition of MAF and the $7 mil. that goes with it just might be moot at this point because rumors are out there that he just might retire.
I think Bowman got fleeced on this one (again). Vegas was clearly dumping salary. Could have asked for a second rounder or a first and maybe give Vegas rights to Suter to sweeten the deal. Then if it doesnt work out, flip Fleury to a contender for another 1st/2nd rounder, so he gets back all those he traded away for Jones (Granted the second part is still possible, if Fleury doesnt retire) |
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Post by BigT on Jul 27, 2021 12:25:07 GMT -6
Stan Bowman at the podium... "we're going to play our younger guys to see what we have" (aka a Rebuild) 2 minutes later Stan whips out a wad of cash from his tiny little suit pants, "we're gonna go for it this year!" I truly dislike this guy... playing devil's advocate - they did that ^ last year and they probably came to the conclusion that the younger guys arent ready or just plain sucks I think they realized that the youth they have isn’t very good. Even Dach hasn’t proven to be an NHL regular yet. I could see them trading him to get another older piece to satisfy Scambo’s stupidity!!! |
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Post by davebrau on Jul 27, 2021 12:33:29 GMT -6
i thought i had heard flower might be returning to the pens..
i guess that was false.. but yes, what the hell is going on in the blackhawks room??
you guys could seriously run an NHL team better then this goof.. its really sad...
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Post by number9 on Jul 27, 2021 13:09:34 GMT -6
I guess Bowman's idea of a rebuild is to have a weak roster, no future draft picks and no cap space.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 27, 2021 13:26:46 GMT -6
Stan Bowman at the podium... "we're going to play our younger guys to see what we have" (aka a Rebuild) 2 minutes later Stan whips out a wad of cash from his tiny little suit pants, "we're gonna go for it this year!" I truly dislike this guy... playing devil's advocate - they did that ^ last year and they probably came to the conclusion that the younger guys arent ready or just plain sucks I've called for a vet tender to help Lanks along myself.......I never in my wildest imagination thought that would cost 7 million bucks. There'll be scores of cheap vet tenders available this summer.....there always are. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 27, 2021 13:30:40 GMT -6
I hear ya, but if they're just going on a one year shortened season that the kids aren't ready or are just bad, then this team is in a lot worse shape then I thought.
Anyway the acquisition of MAF and the $7 mil. that goes with it just might be moot at this point because rumors are out there that he just might retire.
I think Bowman got fleeced on this one (again). Vegas was clearly dumping salary. Could have asked for a second rounder or a first and maybe give Vegas rights to Suter to sweeten the deal. Then if it doesnt work out, flip Fleury to a contender for another 1st/2nd rounder, so he gets back all those he traded away for Jones (Granted the second part is still possible, if Fleury doesnt retire) Zero money retained and zero picks returned......even the NITWIT himself retained money to move Lehner out there. It sounds like MAF might save the NITWIT from his braindead endeavor by retiring. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 27, 2021 13:30:45 GMT -6
playing devil's advocate - they did that ^ last year and they probably came to the conclusion that the younger guys arent ready or just plain sucks .......I never in my wildest imagination thought that would cost 7 million bucks. There'll be scores of cheap vet tenders available this summer.....there always are. ^ yea i remember. And the more i thought about it, i think youre probably right. The whole Fleury thing, it is what it is now, won't do much to complain. i do hope not choose to retire and play as a Hawk. And the whole flipping him for assets if it doesnt work out, he might retire then if he doesnt like the destination. Maybe he'd want to go back to the Pens, if theyre a contender |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 27, 2021 13:33:05 GMT -6
playing devil's advocate - they did that ^ last year and they probably came to the conclusion that the younger guys arent ready or just plain sucks I think they realized that the youth they have isn’t very good. Even Dach hasn’t proven to be an NHL regular yet. I could see them trading him to get another older piece to satisfy Scambo’s stupidity!!! Let's move D-Cat to make room for Krejci.....he's only 35. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 27, 2021 13:43:54 GMT -6
Gotta think a lot more moves are coming. Look at tending. There’s 4 of them. And we have to think Flower and Lanks are the tandem.
On defense there’s the brothers Jones, Murphy, deHaan, Z, Kalynuk, Mitchell, Beaudin and Stillman. That’s 9. Gotta lose at least one, and Beaudin or Mitchell to the AHL.
The forwards there’s Toews, Kane, Dcat, Dach, Strome, Kubalik, Kampf, Gaudette, Hagel, Hardman, Nylander, Kurashev, Connelly, Entwhistle. Not only do a couple need to be shed, it needs to be upgraded as well. Too many “it’s” there for a team clearly going for it. I know a few could be AHL material, but why not give someone like Entwhistle a shot elsewhere and try to upgrade the roster? Just saying.
I’d like to see Ritchie brought in, and if possible Zach Hyman!!!
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Post by BigT on Jul 27, 2021 13:48:01 GMT -6
I think they realized that the youth they have isn’t very good. Even Dach hasn’t proven to be an NHL regular yet. I could see them trading him to get another older piece to satisfy Scambo’s stupidity!!! Let's move D-Cat to make room for Krejci.....he's only 35. I think he’s a UFA. So ya never know? How much does ol Scambo got left to throw into the UFA abyss? It’ll be much more fun when the Hawks coaching fails them. I wonder how long JC has till he’s shitcanned? If they’re fighting for a playoff spot around November. I think JC will be destroyed, never to return!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jul 27, 2021 15:17:24 GMT -6
I guess Bowman's idea of a rebuild is to have a weak roster, no future draft picks and no cap space. I feel this thing called a rebuild last all of a half hour. Oh well. The next rebuild is the big one, cuz there’s no Toews and Kane for the next ones!!! |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 27, 2021 15:38:25 GMT -6
Someone will have to fill me in on what all happened during the rebuild; I apparently slept right through it.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 27, 2021 16:21:26 GMT -6
Classic Stan no long term plan. But when you look at it from this year Lank gets to learn from a great pro. If they are still out of it what does Flower bring at TD Avs might want to go all in.
Next year after you still dont know what you have in Lank.
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 27, 2021 16:36:08 GMT -6
What does that do to their cap situation, if he does not retire as he said he might if traded from Vegas? Cap Friendly has him in the last year of his contract for 21/22 at $7 million, which puts the Hawks right up against the cap with several still not signed. I don't know how Bowman pulls this off without weakening the team in other areas. Maybe he figures that Fleury will just get shutout after shutout after shutout no matter who is in front of him. Technically they will have the 10.5 from the Seabs and Shaw cap space after the first game. So, after paying Fleury 7 mill, they will have another 3.5 to throw at Zadorov and others. By the way, given their situation and the fact that their goalie lineup is half-way decent, wouldn't it have made more sense to throw that 7 mill at a forward, or two and live with their current goalies. Is Fleury really going to save them when they can't control the puck and leave the opponents with more shots on goal because the puck is always in the Hawks' end of the ice? |
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Post by BigT on Jul 27, 2021 16:58:54 GMT -6
Technically they will have the 10.5 from the Seabs and Shaw cap space after the first game. So, after paying Fleury 7 mill, they will have another 3.5 to throw at Zadorov and others. By the way, given their situation and the fact that their goalie lineup is half-way decent, wouldn't it have made more sense to throw that 7 mill at a forward, or two and live with their current goalies. Is Fleury really going to save them when they can't control the puck and leave the opponents with more shots on goal because the puck is always in the Hawks' end of the ice? On TSN, almost every guy on there said the Hawks are still probably the 5th or 6th best in the Central. I think Scambo just needs a playoff spot to get some revenue coming in. Scam is going off of Toews and Kane are in their primes, the brothers Jones are 100% difference makers, Flower is gonna be the best he’s ever been. I still think this team is 5-6 guys away from contending. Maybe a playoff team. I said months ago that the Hawks were 8-9 players away. I think with Toews back and Seth here. Probably 6 players away. Now, those guys could be on this roster, but they need to show it real quickly to see if the Hawks have enough to go the distance!!! |
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