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Post by hsbob on Sept 25, 2021 8:50:32 GMT -6
Good article and a few thoughts..... www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-2021-22-training-camp-day-2-notes-and-takeawaysKane and Toews have TONS of miles on the odometers and it's easy to forget that sometimes. Re-do D-Cat now? MAF IS a great individual as my buddy out in LV reminds me all the time(he was HUGELY popular) but it ain't like we had a bum in net till now. Jones gets #4 but it ain't retired and he has all the tools to live up to it and maybe more. Seabs and Keith are gone.....thanks for reminding me.......along with Crawford,Shaw and Saad recently.......the era is officially over. Who wears the A's this year? JC said "Stan's involved with that" is that the way most teams do it? I read elsewhere that JC had spoke to the players about it as well. kinda sounds to me like they might rotate the other "A". I wouldn't be opposed to it. Gotta go watch the 'RYDAH CUP' my friend,have a great weekend! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 25, 2021 10:24:01 GMT -6
I would think Kane and Murph wear the "A"
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Post by jacksalmon on Sept 25, 2021 11:55:30 GMT -6
There are so many questions about these guys. Guess we won't even begin to get answers until the real season starts. Can Toews get back to himself? Are Dach and Strome real NHL players or just hopes? I do like the Kane, Johnson, DCat line. Guess Toews will have to really work hard to produce with his line. I hope he can hold up and return to his productive ways. The D is always a question mark, but Fleury should still be able to stop a few shots. Should be an interesting season as I don't think how this team will turn out will be evident for a long time into the season. Guys like Hegel, Dach and Strome could surprise on the upside or disappoint, so who knows which way it will go.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 25, 2021 12:08:36 GMT -6
I read elsewhere that JC had spoke to the players about it as well. kinda sounds to me like they might rotate the other "A". I wouldn't be opposed to it. Gotta go watch the 'RYDAH CUP' my friend,have a great weekend! likewise! |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 25, 2021 12:10:19 GMT -6
I would think Kane and Murph wear the "A" I think Kane is a lock. Murph and Dš swap home/road. or maybe they use the other A to reward guys throughout the year? |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 25, 2021 12:53:52 GMT -6
Welcome back Ryan Stanton. I assume this is a stop off before Rockford, or he does well enough to be snatched off waivers on his way to Rockford? Rockford signed him in the summer to replace Fransons leadership on the backend. But unlike Cody, Stanton is a no frills stay at home dman. And King did an interview after the signing and he's looking forward to him teaching the young guys tough hockey and playing responsible defense. |
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Post by BigT on Sept 25, 2021 13:21:04 GMT -6
Good article and a few thoughts..... www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-2021-22-training-camp-day-2-notes-and-takeawaysKane and Toews have TONS of miles on the odometers and it's easy to forget that sometimes. Re-do D-Cat now? MAF IS a great individual as my buddy out in LV reminds me all the time(he was HUGELY popular) but it ain't like we had a bum in net till now. Jones gets #4 but it ain't retired and he has all the tools to live up to it and maybe more. Seabs and Keith are gone.....thanks for reminding me.......along with Crawford,Shaw and Saad recently.......the era is officially over. Who wears the A's this year? JC said "Stan's involved with that" is that the way most teams do it? Typically, teams will name a captain from the coaches discretion, management has a lot of say at first. As it is their team. But as far as assistants go, Iād say that the captain and the coaches usually decide that. At this point for the Hawks. Iād have to think the coaches decide the alternate captains. Or they should. If Ol Scambo is picking the āAāsā. I doubt his coach will be around much longer. Scambo has given him over 3 years to do something, and it hasnāt worked out. Up until now, JC hasnāt had the best teams to work with. Now the excuses stop for both of them. If this team fails for whatever reason, itās time both are sent up the River without a raft. Theyāre done!!! |
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Post by hawks27 on Sept 25, 2021 15:57:07 GMT -6
After looking at the potential roster, the Blackhawks have no (ZERO) chance of being even respectful if they don't get a different head coach. Sorry to be so negative, but that's just the way I see it now.
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Post by tincup on Sept 25, 2021 16:21:20 GMT -6
Going by the movement between A, B and C groups today Iād say the only line up for grabs will be whoever ends up with third line duties. Lines one and two seem to be set for the moment which at least is good for chemistry and since guys like Khaira and Carpenter should never play above fourth line, it leaves players like Kurashev, Reichel, Borgstrom, and Nylander fighting for a spot. Since only a couple of those guys are waiver exempt I think I know who wins out, deserving or not. Strome is also guaranteed a spot Iām sure. Colliton, although his history doesnāt back it up, makes a lot of noise about being physical in his pressers but outside of bringing in the oft concussed Khaira Iām wondering where he expects this to come from. Mind you the defense is going to be more aggressive in that respect.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 25, 2021 18:16:16 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Sept 25, 2021 19:19:33 GMT -6
yeah, I read an article last night and S Jones basically inferred that systems don't matter as much as reading and reacting on the ice and I knew as soon as I read that that nothing had changed defensively...
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 25, 2021 20:15:29 GMT -6
yeah, I read an article last night and S Jones basically inferred that systems don't matter as much as reading and reacting on the ice and I knew as soon as I read that that nothing had changed defensively... i think i read the same article and i definitely thought the same thing after. |
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Post by squishy24 on Sept 25, 2021 22:16:58 GMT -6
like it or not, it appears we're going with the same defensive system as before. it is the same defensive system, but "better" personnel. at least, thats how theyre selling them |
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Post by gigecj on Sept 25, 2021 22:21:53 GMT -6
likely a tad early but why not? Blackhawks lines in practice: Kane-Johnson-DeBrincat Hagel-Toews-Kubalik Khaira-Carpenter-Strome Reichel-Dach-Kurashev De Haan-Kalynuk Stillman-Murphy Caleb Jones-Beaudin McCabe-Seth Jones edit: i just copied and pasted from the ben pope's tweet. for whatever reason...sometimes the tweets get deleted on twitter, and when they do they disappear from here as well, leaving a strange empty post. mr. pope went on to add not to pay any heed into the order of the lines/pairings. anyways....i like the fwd lines. i hope they can squeeze gaudette in there somewhere. i got a good feeling about that guy. Gotta love the Munchkin Line |
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Post by gigecj on Sept 25, 2021 22:32:31 GMT -6
I read elsewhere that JC had spoke to the players about it as well. kinda sounds to me like they might rotate the other "A". I wouldn't be opposed to it. Gotta go watch the 'RYDAH CUP' my friend,have a great weekend! I am all over the Ryder Cup!!! |
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Post by Tater on Sept 25, 2021 23:13:47 GMT -6
like it or not, it appears we're going with the same defensive system as before.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 25, 2021 23:37:12 GMT -6
yeah, I read an article last night and S Jones basically inferred that systems don't matter as much as reading and reacting on the ice and I knew as soon as I read that that nothing had changed defensively... maybe with some of the old guard gone and some younger, newer faces brought in...(yes, i'm clutching at straws here)...but maybe this system of JC's will find a new enthusiasm it never had before. yeah,i doubt it too. but colliton obviously sees it as a viable system. he's had success with it in sweden and rockford. maybe he just needs a certain type of defenseman for this system to work. jones had to have known about colliton's system before he signed here, it didn't seem to scare him away. i don't think colliton is a dummy and i don't care he's only played 50 something games in the nhl. that's 50 more games than the coach of 3 of the last 4 cup champs. (trotz, cooper and cooper) it appears he's sticking by his guns for one of 2 reasons. he's either dead sure his system can be successful in this league or he doesn't have any other system to play. i'm still rooting for the guy. i want him to be successful because that means the team is successful. |
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Post by tincup on Sept 26, 2021 0:09:29 GMT -6
yeah, I read an article last night and S Jones basically inferred that systems don't matter as much as reading and reacting on the ice and I knew as soon as I read that that nothing had changed defensively... maybe with some of the old guard gone and some younger, newer faces brought in...(yes, i'm clutching at straws here)...but maybe this system of JC's will find a new enthusiasm it never had before. yeah,i doubt it too. but colliton obviously sees it as a viable system. he's had success with it in sweden and rockford. maybe he just needs a certain type of defenseman for this system to work. jones had to have known about colliton's system before he signed here, it didn't seem to scare him away. i don't think colliton is a dummy and i don't care he's only played 50 something games in the nhl. that's 50 more games than the coach of 3 of the last 4 cup champs. (trotz, cooper and cooper) it appears he's sticking by his guns for one of 2 reasons. he's either dead sure his system can be successful in this league or he doesn't have any other system to play. i'm still rooting for the guy. i want him to be successful because that means the team is successful. Hope springs eternal. Itās true guys like Zadorov were a poor fit when it came to the mobility required for a man to man but you really have to get the forwards to buy in as well. Miss your assignment and chaos is the result. Best we can hope for is a hard working pursuit type of a club, get and keep possession and maybe the whole thing works better. |
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Post by nighbor on Sept 26, 2021 1:45:32 GMT -6
There are so many questions about these guys. Guess we won't even begin to get answers until the real season starts. Can Toews get back to himself? Are Dach and Strome real NHL players or just hopes? I do like the Kane, Johnson, DCat line. Guess Toews will have to really work hard to produce with his line. I hope he can hold up and return to his productive ways. The D is always a question mark, but Fleury should still be able to stop a few shots. Should be an interesting season as I don't think how this team will turn out will be evident for a long time into the season. Guys like Hegel, Dach and Strome could surprise on the upside or disappoint, so who knows which way it will go. Strome has shown nothing without DCat and at 24 he had 6 seasons to improve his play and usefullness. Dach has started slow because of pre season injuries. During the COVID shut down instead of stuffing his face and playing video games he made the conscience choice and hired PK's trainer to improve his game. His play in the bubble is a more acurate indicator of his abilities. According to this board Kirby was considered closer to a tenth overall pick but when you stack up his numbers with that of Hughes and Kakko who went 1 and 2 who were considered miles ahead or everyone else his point production is not that far off considering they have played 30 or more games than him. This off season K Dach again has shown that he is not satisfied and still trying to improve. I believe his determination to improve and his skill level makes him and NHL player. |
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Post by squishy24 on Sept 26, 2021 7:14:01 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Sept 26, 2021 8:00:04 GMT -6
There are so many questions about these guys. Guess we won't even begin to get answers until the real season starts. Can Toews get back to himself? Are Dach and Strome real NHL players or just hopes? I do like the Kane, Johnson, DCat line. Guess Toews will have to really work hard to produce with his line. I hope he can hold up and return to his productive ways. The D is always a question mark, but Fleury should still be able to stop a few shots. Should be an interesting season as I don't think how this team will turn out will be evident for a long time into the season. Guys like Hegel, Dach and Strome could surprise on the upside or disappoint, so who knows which way it will go. Good to hear from ya jack,it's been a while. Spent ANOTHER fortune in cap space,picks and prospects this summer,just like '19'...............It's GOTTA work out better THIS time,doesn't it? Seth Jones alone has to be better than what was brought in two years ago. If this team doesn't come in somewhere north of 90 points,I have to think it's a disappointment. At last the rebuild is over and the excuses that came with it. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 26, 2021 8:06:15 GMT -6
Good article and a few thoughts..... www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-2021-22-training-camp-day-2-notes-and-takeawaysKane and Toews have TONS of miles on the odometers and it's easy to forget that sometimes. Re-do D-Cat now? MAF IS a great individual as my buddy out in LV reminds me all the time(he was HUGELY popular) but it ain't like we had a bum in net till now. Jones gets #4 but it ain't retired and he has all the tools to live up to it and maybe more. Seabs and Keith are gone.....thanks for reminding me.......along with Crawford,Shaw and Saad recently.......the era is officially over. Who wears the A's this year? JC said "Stan's involved with that" is that the way most teams do it? Typically, teams will name a captain from the coaches discretion, management has a lot of say at first. As it is their team. But as far as assistants go, Iād say that the captain and the coaches usually decide that. At this point for the Hawks. Iād have to think the coaches decide the alternate captains. Or they should. If Ol Scambo is picking the āAāsā. I doubt his coach will be around much longer. Scambo has given him over 3 years to do something, and it hasnāt worked out. Up until now, JC hasnāt had the best teams to work with. Now the excuses stop for both of them. If this team fails for whatever reason, itās time both are sent up the River without a raft. Theyāre done!!! You've been forecasting SB's departure for years T,I believe 'Prince Daniel' sees him as the future or he doesn't upgrade the title and the power that goes with it. Rocky would have to step in IMO and Scotty might still have Rocky's ear and Rocky's happy as long as the barn is full which should happen with a better team and the new faces but for how long? |
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 26, 2021 9:16:31 GMT -6
Typically, teams will name a captain from the coaches discretion, management has a lot of say at first. As it is their team. But as far as assistants go, Iād say that the captain and the coaches usually decide that. At this point for the Hawks. Iād have to think the coaches decide the alternate captains. Or they should. If Ol Scambo is picking the āAāsā. I doubt his coach will be around much longer. Scambo has given him over 3 years to do something, and it hasnāt worked out. Up until now, JC hasnāt had the best teams to work with. Now the excuses stop for both of them. If this team fails for whatever reason, itās time both are sent up the River without a raft. Theyāre done!!! You've been forecasting SB's departure for years T,I believe 'Prince Daniel' sees him as the future or he doesn't upgrade the title and the power that goes with it. Rocky would have to step in IMO and Scotty might still have Rocky's ear and Rocky's happy as long as the barn is full which should happen with a better team and the new faces but for how long? As soon as they take off home games from TV. Then we'll be back to Diamond Bill days and a real rebuild will happen. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Sept 26, 2021 10:13:04 GMT -6
maybe with some of the old guard gone and some younger, newer faces brought in...(yes, i'm clutching at straws here)...but maybe this system of JC's will find a new enthusiasm it never had before. yeah,i doubt it too. but colliton obviously sees it as a viable system. he's had success with it in sweden and rockford. maybe he just needs a certain type of defenseman for this system to work. jones had to have known about colliton's system before he signed here, it didn't seem to scare him away. i don't think colliton is a dummy and i don't care he's only played 50 something games in the nhl. that's 50 more games than the coach of 3 of the last 4 cup champs. (trotz, cooper and cooper) it appears he's sticking by his guns for one of 2 reasons. he's either dead sure his system can be successful in this league or he doesn't have any other system to play. i'm still rooting for the guy. i want him to be successful because that means the team is successful. Hope springs eternal. Itās true guys like Zadorov were a poor fit when it came to the mobility required for a man to man but you really have to get the forwards to buy in as well. Miss your assignment and chaos is the result. Best we can hope for is a hard working pursuit type of a club, get and keep possession and maybe the whole thing works better. The problem is its not just the Dmen coming out to the blue line, when that happens are forwards are defending down low thats not good. I have heard its basically same system Islanders run, but they have much better defensive forwards that are also willing to block anything. As far as the Stillman Quote I have been hearing that same thing from Hawks Dmen for 2.5 years. With that being said I am hopeful everything clicks. This team must be in the top 15 defensively to get in, has to get better no more excuses. Go Hawks |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 26, 2021 10:26:09 GMT -6
After looking at the potential roster, the Blackhawks have no (ZERO) chance of being even respectful if they don't get a different head coach. Sorry to be so negative, but that's just the way I see it now. I agree the coachings been terrible with JC, especially the defensive system, but why do you think this potential roster wouldn't earn some respect despite coaching? Fleury and Jones alone have added respectability, getting a big mobile dman like McCabe and a 2 time Cup winning center like Johnson helps and those 4 players have made people take notice of Chicago. |
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Post by squishy24 on Sept 26, 2021 13:27:37 GMT -6
After looking at the potential roster, the Blackhawks have no (ZERO) chance of being even respectful if they don't get a different head coach. Sorry to be so negative, but that's just the way I see it now. I agree the coachings been terrible with JC, especially the defensive system, but why do you think this potential roster wouldn't earn some respect despite coaching? Fleury and Jones alone have added respectability, getting a big mobile dman like McCabe and a 2 time Cup winning center like Johnson helps and those 4 players have made people take notice of Chicago. Is McCabe considered a āmobileā defenseman? I thought heās more like Murphy? (Seriously asking, i have no idea) Also, isnt McCabeās injuries that made him not play for a long time a cause of concern? I mean, you dont have to look far for comparison, Dehaan had the same history, somewhat. Hopefully McCabe doesnt turn out like another Dehaan |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 26, 2021 14:10:03 GMT -6
I agree the coachings been terrible with JC, especially the defensive system, but why do you think this potential roster wouldn't earn some respect despite coaching? Fleury and Jones alone have added respectability, getting a big mobile dman like McCabe and a 2 time Cup winning center like Johnson helps and those 4 players have made people take notice of Chicago. Is McCabe considered a āmobileā defenseman? I thought heās more like Murphy? (Seriously asking, i have no idea) Also, isnt McCabeās injuries that made him not play for a long time a cause of concern? I mean, you dont have to look far for comparison, Dehaan had the same history, somewhat. Hopefully McCabe doesnt turn out like another Dehaan I haven't watched him much in Buffalo but from what I did see, plus the World Juniors, he's a good skater who plays a smart stay at home style. Of course his injury history worries me, like de Haans, but he seems healthy now and looks good in camp. If him or de Haan get injured I'm confident in the depth on D. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 26, 2021 20:11:31 GMT -6
maybe with some of the old guard gone and some younger, newer faces brought in...(yes, i'm clutching at straws here)...but maybe this system of JC's will find a new enthusiasm it never had before. yeah,i doubt it too. but colliton obviously sees it as a viable system. he's had success with it in sweden and rockford. maybe he just needs a certain type of defenseman for this system to work. jones had to have known about colliton's system before he signed here, it didn't seem to scare him away. i don't think colliton is a dummy and i don't care he's only played 50 something games in the nhl. that's 50 more games than the coach of 3 of the last 4 cup champs. (trotz, cooper and cooper) it appears he's sticking by his guns for one of 2 reasons. he's either dead sure his system can be successful in this league or he doesn't have any other system to play. i'm still rooting for the guy. i want him to be successful because that means the team is successful. . Itās true guys like Zadorov were a poor fit when it came to the mobility required for a man to man but you really have to get the forwards to buy in as well. Miss your assignment and chaos is the result. Best we can hope for is a hard working pursuit type of a club, get and keep possession and maybe the whole thing works better. good time for this article to pop up. chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2021/9/26/22695294/blackhawks-defense-jeremy-colliton-system-seth-jones-jake-mccabe-connor-murphy-riley-stillman |
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Post by tincup on Sept 27, 2021 9:15:36 GMT -6
A system that needs multiple seasons to learn and requires players of a certain size to utilize properly? Hope we donāt lose one of those right sized players to injury and one of the now seemingly too small Icehogs has to replace him. Those shot statistics from the last three seasons are pretty telling. Sort of makes it sound like his coaching is sound but the blame is all laid at the players feet, and itās all defense, no mention of any fail on the forwards either. As much as I was pulling for Colliton to succeed (his success after all means the club excels) I really have become the Doubting Thomas on this one. He now has a decent enough squad that should probably win more than they lose even if they donāt play the system to perfection, so at least theyāll be competitive. And do you now trade Beaudin and Mitchell as well, it seems they have no place here anymore. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 27, 2021 19:19:33 GMT -6
dribs and drabs...
both injuries don't appear to be serious.
on paper that seems like a pretty decent first unit.
"not the most gritty of teams" is a nice way to put it...
entwistle seems like he's turning some heads. good to see.
nice to see lankinen back on the ice.
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