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Post by mvr on Sept 29, 2021 8:53:21 GMT -6
My guess is that the coaching staff is lighting a fire under Strome's ass.
Come opening day, Tyler Johnson is not going to be the centre between Kane and Debrincat. Ideally this is where Strome should be. As it stands, Strome be motivated and in full focus. The coaches, however, do not want to give it to him just yet. Given his lacklustre effort last season, the player needs to be spooked. I am sure he is right now given how he has been utilized so far.
My guess is that Johnson eventually slides into the right side on the Toews line with Kubalik on the other side. This will become the primary checking line. Dach will line up primarily with Hagel and Kurashev; the fourth line will consist of some kind of rotation including Borgstrom, Nylander, Gaudette, Khaira and Carpenter.
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Post by mvr on Sept 29, 2021 9:00:26 GMT -6
I would be very careful before giving up on Strome just yet. He has too much talent and a real nose for the net.
I am old enough to remember the criticisms levelled against Phil Esposito in his younger days (ie that he lacked hustle, could not skate, did not defend well etc)
Some of these larger guys take longer to develop to their potential. They all seem to get labelled as lazy.
Strome knows how to find the net already. He has a rare ability to see the ice. No way do I give him up yet.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 29, 2021 9:33:16 GMT -6
My guess is that the coaching staff is lighting a fire under Strome's ass. Come opening day, Tyler Johnson is not going to be the centre between Kane and Debrincat. Ideally this is where Strome should be. As it stands, Strome be motivated and in full focus. The coaches, however, do not want to give it to him just yet. Given his lacklustre effort last season, the player needs to be spooked. I am sure he is right now given how he has been utilized so far. My guess is that Johnson eventually slides into the right side on the Toews line with Kubalik on the other side. This will become the primary checking line. Dach will line up primarily with Hagel and Kurashev; the fourth line will consist of some kind of rotation including Borgstrom, Nylander, Gaudette, Khaira and Carpenter. my prediction for lines come game 1: D🐈/Johnson/88 Kubalik/Dach/Kurashev Reichel/Toews/Hagel Gaudette/Carpenter/Khaira/Strome/Johnson/pock another name out of a hat.... I think they'll try to build a second line around Dach and try to keep 12 and 88 with Johnson (or Strome). this leaves Tazer on the primary checking line, as you said. there should also be plenty of pker's on the roster to help keep Johnny off the ice unless we really need to win a draw and allows him to play 3rd line minutes and on the top pp. we should all get used to the idea that 19 isn't going to play as many minutes as we've grown accustomed to seeing...
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Post by vadarx on Sept 29, 2021 9:35:56 GMT -6
I would be very careful before giving up on Strome just yet. He has too much talent and a real nose for the net. I am old enough to remember the criticisms levelled against Phil Esposito in his younger days (ie that he lacked hustle, could not skate, did not defend well etc) Some of these larger guys take longer to develop to their potential. They all seem to get labelled as lazy. Strome knows how to find the net already. He has a rare ability to see the ice. No way do I give him up yet. the problem with this idea is Strome doesn't defend worth a damn. he has had multiple fires lit under his ass and he still isn't doing what JC wants. he has already been documented in this camp as having half asked it in practice... I like the idea of having him around in case of injury or to sub in on the top line, but his defensive difficulties make him hard to play right now and it doesn't seem like it is getting better... I foresee him playing for another team relatively soon...
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 29, 2021 9:47:27 GMT -6
I would be very careful before giving up on Strome just yet. He has too much talent and a real nose for the net. I am old enough to remember the criticisms levelled against Phil Esposito in his younger days (ie that he lacked hustle, could not skate, did not defend well etc) Some of these larger guys take longer to develop to their potential. They all seem to get labelled as lazy. Strome knows how to find the net already. He has a rare ability to see the ice. No way do I give him up yet. I don't necessarily disagree, but I do think that in instances like Strome's (and to a greater extent, Nylander's), coaching and management need to be prepared to cut ties if the player in question does indeed have a heart/drive issue. Management has had issues in the past of giving players who have little heart/drive way too many chances--especially if there is better personnel. Further with respect to Strome--he needs to have that drive on a regular basis--not a few games here and there. Can he? Of course, but I think last year he might have gotten very complacent since we were so shallow at center last season. We have more center depth this year and it should be much easier for him to lose that role--unless coaching and management screw the pooch.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 29, 2021 9:51:50 GMT -6
My guess is that the coaching staff is lighting a fire under Strome's ass. Come opening day, Tyler Johnson is not going to be the centre between Kane and Debrincat. Ideally this is where Strome should be. As it stands, Strome be motivated and in full focus. The coaches, however, do not want to give it to him just yet. Given his lacklustre effort last season, the player needs to be spooked. I am sure he is right now given how he has been utilized so far. My guess is that Johnson eventually slides into the right side on the Toews line with Kubalik on the other side. This will become the primary checking line. Dach will line up primarily with Hagel and Kurashev; the fourth line will consist of some kind of rotation including Borgstrom, Nylander, Gaudette, Khaira and Carpenter. my prediction for lines come game 1: D🐈/Johnson/88 Kubalik/Dach/Kurashev Reichel/Toews/Hagel Gaudette/Carpenter/Khaira/Strome/Johnson/pock another name out of a hat.... I think they'll try to build a second line around Dach and try to keep 12 and 88 with Johnson (or Strome). this leaves Tazer on the primary checking line, as you said. there should also be plenty of pker's on the roster to help keep Johnny off the ice unless we really need to win a draw and allows him to play 3rd line minutes and on the top pp. we should all get used to the idea that 19 isn't going to play as many minutes as we've grown accustomed to seeing... Do you believe Toews is still unhealthy? Do you believe Toews is still out of shape? or do you believe the Hawks have two better centers? I guess I'd say maybe to the first two questions but even then,his conditioning would improve as the year goes along. JT is still the ONLY center on the roster over 50% at the dot for his career and the team's 2nd best assist guy but if D-Cat was relegated to a checking line,I guess JT can be too.
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Post by mvr on Sept 29, 2021 9:59:32 GMT -6
My feeling is that you primary combine the Strome, Kane and Debrincat line with the number-one pair defenders (Seth Jones and his partner) in a five man unit.
Loading up the offence on one five man unit like this forces the opponent most often to counter with their best checkers (regardless whether or not the Hawks have last change).
In this scenario, the Strome line should not be defending much, and when they do, it would not be against the opponent's scorers. If the Hawks take the lead late in a game, the coaching staff can always shorten the benches and reduce any vulnerable situations with Strome's line.
I see the Toews line along with Connor Murphy and his partner used primarily to check the opponent's best. For this reason, I do not want a rookie on the Toews line. Johnson is a proven two-way checker and would be ideal as a complement to Toews.
If Reichel needs to play, he should line up with Dach on the third line where he less likely to be exposed defensively.
If so, Strome has to go. There is no other spot for him in the top nine. It is not worth keeping him as a sub.
Having a true number one defenceman like Seth Jones who can provide real offence and defends exceptionally well is going to make a big difference. The Hawks really have not had one since 2017 when Keith's game started to slide.
If Strome isn't back on a defensive assignment, Jones can handle the situation most often.
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Post by mvr on Sept 29, 2021 10:05:02 GMT -6
Debrincat. Strome. Kane Kubalik. Toews. Johnson Kurashev. Dach. Hagel Nylander. Borgstrom. Khaira Gaudette Carpenter
Reichel and Entwistle send down Connelly waived, then send down when not claimed.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 29, 2021 10:17:59 GMT -6
my prediction for lines come game 1: D🐈/Johnson/88 Kubalik/Dach/Kurashev Reichel/Toews/Hagel Gaudette/Carpenter/Khaira/Strome/Johnson/pock another name out of a hat.... I think they'll try to build a second line around Dach and try to keep 12 and 88 with Johnson (or Strome). this leaves Tazer on the primary checking line, as you said. there should also be plenty of pker's on the roster to help keep Johnny off the ice unless we really need to win a draw and allows him to play 3rd line minutes and on the top pp. we should all get used to the idea that 19 isn't going to play as many minutes as we've grown accustomed to seeing... Do you believe Toews is still unhealthy? Do you believe Toews is still out of shape? or do you believe the Hawks have two better centers? I guess I'd say maybe to the first two questions but even then,his conditioning would improve as the year goes along. JT is still the ONLY center on the roster over 50% at the dot for his career and the team's 2nd best assist guy but if D-Cat was relegated to a checking line,I guess JT can be too. Tazer is definitely behind on conditioning. I don't think that he is unhealthy still, but that is something that could change day to day. I'd say no to them having 2 beter ones, but to keep him healthy, or to at least work him back into game shape, he should start on the third line this fall. from all I've read about Dach thus far, he appears to be back to 100%. we know JC is gonna want to spread the talent around, so rather than just throwing him out with 12 and 88, I think they give him his own line and let Johnson (who is a pretty good FO guy as well) play with the top 2 wingers.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 29, 2021 10:21:06 GMT -6
Debrincat. Strome. Kane Kubalik. Toews. Johnson Kurashev. Dach. Hagel Nylander. Borgstrom. Khaira Gaudette Carpenter Reichel and Entwistle send down Connelly waived, then send down when not claimed. that's fair, and I hope true with regards to 27, but I've seen enough of 17 with 12 and 88 to know that that line is god awful in their own zone and I just don’t see JC playing 17 there unless he gets A LOT better in the d zone. no way Nylander doesn't start in Rockford, though. he is at or behind Toews in conditioning. he is gonna need a while before he is ready to step back in. plus, he suffers from the same ailment that Strome does.
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Post by mvr on Sept 29, 2021 10:23:56 GMT -6
Toews is not a young guy any more. If the coaching staff can settle on a first line centre and ease Toews' minutes, it would help preserve the player for the long term.
I believe the best-case scenario is to insert Strome into that role this year and hope Borgstrom or Reichel develops into the long term solution down the road.
Toews can't check the best players without experienced help. This is why adding Johnson to his line would really help him.
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Post by mvr on Sept 29, 2021 10:28:07 GMT -6
Re Nylander:
You can't waive him. He will be claimed.
He still has tremendous upside, and he is very young. Start him on the fourth line, and build up his stamina that way.
I do not subscribe to the opinion that Nylander is lazy or frightened. I do think he is still processing the play too slowly. Many star players take time to adjust to the speed of the pro game. They need to make their decisions more quickly than in the minor leagues.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 29, 2021 10:29:19 GMT -6
Do you believe Toews is still unhealthy? Do you believe Toews is still out of shape? or do you believe the Hawks have two better centers? I guess I'd say maybe to the first two questions but even then,his conditioning would improve as the year goes along. JT is still the ONLY center on the roster over 50% at the dot for his career and the team's 2nd best assist guy but if D-Cat was relegated to a checking line,I guess JT can be too. Tazer is definitely behind on conditioning. I don't think that he is unhealthy still, but that is something that could change day to day. I'd say no to them having 2 beter ones, but to keep him healthy, or to at least work him back into game shape, he should start on the third line this fall. from all I've read about Dach thus far, he appears to be back to 100%. we know JC is gonna want to spread the talent around, so rather than just throwing him out with 12 and 88, I think they give him his own line and let Johnson (who is a pretty good FO guy as well) play with the top 2 wingers. TB's 3LC is now our 1LC.....cool......he's under 50% for his career and that'll be one SMALL line. JT's been back skating and practicing for months and he also says the health issues are behind him. JC spreads talent around like I spread manure in my garden.....I actually think I do a better job. What kind of numbers does JT end up with skating with 3rd liners? Dach's been100% before but FO's have been 40%.....he has to improve. Why not "throw" your best center out with some decent players,JT had his best season ever skating with Kane two years ago.
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Post by Tater on Sept 29, 2021 10:58:12 GMT -6
Gonna watching every faceoff closely this pre-season. Has Dach improved? Is Toews back to his old high win %? Face-offs have been, and still could be a big issue.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 29, 2021 14:40:11 GMT -6
Re Nylander: You can't waive him. He will be claimed. He still has tremendous upside, and he is very young. Start him on the fourth line, and build up his stamina that way. I do not subscribe to the opinion that Nylander is lazy or frightened. I do think he is still processing the play too slowly. Many star players take time to adjust to the speed of the pro game. They need to make their decisions more quickly than in the minor leagues. I was under the impression that he either signed a 2 way deal or was still waiver exempt. if that is not the case, then I guess they can package him with Strome...
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Post by mvr on Sept 29, 2021 14:56:01 GMT -6
When Sharp was 23-24 (the age Nylander and Strome are now), he was not an NHL regular in Philadelphia. Sharp was 26-27 before he showed he belonged in the league.
Some skilled guys produce right away. Many others take some time.
Neither Strome nor Nylander is costing the team much now. Both have shown sparks already that they can produce at this level. Genuinely skilled guys are so difficult to find.
If a trade partner offers something of real value, of course Bowman needs to consider anything that helps improve the roster. I am in no rush, however, to get rid of these guys.
Now Carpenter, on the other hand, is not someone I would lose sleep over....
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Post by BigT on Sept 29, 2021 15:34:06 GMT -6
Re Nylander: You can't waive him. He will be claimed. He still has tremendous upside, and he is very young. Start him on the fourth line, and build up his stamina that way. I do not subscribe to the opinion that Nylander is lazy or frightened. I do think he is still processing the play too slowly. Many star players take time to adjust to the speed of the pro game. They need to make their decisions more quickly than in the minor leagues. The bigger problem here is whether Nylander, Strome and Dach all belong in the top 6 or in some cases, the NHL. So far all of them really haven’t shown much at this level. Soon, it’s make or break for all of them. Dach could easily fall into Strome territory as a former 3rd overall who’s big but doesn’t do enough. How long do you wait? Personally, I don’t wait much past this season. If the Hawks are in win now mode, Dach can get a decent player back and help the team win now. Same with Strome. The future is now. The rebuild never was!!!
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Post by vonbeck on Sept 29, 2021 15:55:08 GMT -6
Re Nylander: You can't waive him. He will be claimed. He still has tremendous upside, and he is very young. Start him on the fourth line, and build up his stamina that way. I do not subscribe to the opinion that Nylander is lazy or frightened. I do think he is still processing the play too slowly. Many star players take time to adjust to the speed of the pro game. They need to make their decisions more quickly than in the minor leagues. The bigger problem here is whether Nylander, Strome and Dach all belong in the top 6 or in some cases, the NHL. So far all of them really haven’t shown much at this level. Soon, it’s make or break for all of them. Dach could easily fall into Strome territory as a former 3rd overall who’s big but doesn’t do enough. How long do you wait? Personally, I don’t wait much past this season. If the Hawks are in win now mode, Dach can get a decent player back and help the team win now. Same with Strome. The future is now. The rebuild never was!!! Well ya kind of contradict yourself a bit there BigT. If you think none of these players are really any good, who exactly are you going to get back to help the Hawks win now?
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Post by BigT on Sept 29, 2021 16:08:35 GMT -6
The bigger problem here is whether Nylander, Strome and Dach all belong in the top 6 or in some cases, the NHL. So far all of them really haven’t shown much at this level. Soon, it’s make or break for all of them. Dach could easily fall into Strome territory as a former 3rd overall who’s big but doesn’t do enough. How long do you wait? Personally, I don’t wait much past this season. If the Hawks are in win now mode, Dach can get a decent player back and help the team win now. Same with Strome. The future is now. The rebuild never was!!! Well ya kind of contradict yourself a bit there BigT. If you think none of these players are really any good, who exactly are you going to get back to help the Hawks win now? I never really said they weren’t any good. Maybe one of them may never be an NHL player, but that’s yet to be seen. Many and I mean many teams would love to have either of the former 3rd overalls. If the Hawks are in win now mode, how long can they wait? If they’re rebuilding, then they have nothing but time. I suspect the Hawks are done with rebuild and the word rebuild. I can’t see them waiting much longer on those 3 players!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 29, 2021 16:47:58 GMT -6
Well ya kind of contradict yourself a bit there BigT. If you think none of these players are really any good, who exactly are you going to get back to help the Hawks win now? I never really said they weren’t any good. Maybe one of them may never be an NHL player, but that’s yet to be seen. Many and I mean many teams would love to have either of the former 3rd overalls. If the Hawks are in win now mode, how long can they wait? If they’re rebuilding, then they have nothing but time. I suspect the Hawks are done with rebuild and the word rebuild. I can’t see them waiting much longer on those 3 players!!! I don't think so. I think if the 'hawks falter, Stan goes right back to using the excuse of being in a rebuild to save his hide. You also touch on a problem that the 'hawks have had under Stan: there is no clear goal that the 'hawks stick to. If the 'hawks are doing poorly, Stan trots out the "we're rebuilding", but the minute the 'hawks are doing well in the short-term we're right back to going for it. That kind of schizo mentality is one of the things killing the 'hawks. Trying to flip-flop between both whenever it fits Stan's narrative does nothing for the kids and their development--and is a sign he's trying to save his own skin. Also with respect to Strome and Nylander: one thing I've noticed in both is their lack of doing the little things when they are cold. Contrast that to guys like Hagel, Debrincat, etc. who, when on a cold streak, still keep moving and try to do all of the little things. Ditto with the 'hawks recent greats like Sharp, Toews, Hossa, etc. I fully expect Strome & Nylander will get every every shot to prove their worth, but to me that's the litmus test--do they look engaged? Do they appear to do the little things if they just can't find the back of the net? How easily do they give up on plays when things go pear shaped? I'm hoping by games 20-25 we have a good picture of their tenacity--especially if preseason reports of them being engaged are true. If they look like they want to be out there and treat every shift like they could be a desk jockey next game, I'll want to keep them even if they are on a cold patch. If they look like they are going through the motions, then I think it's time to pull the plug. Talent is nothing without tenacity.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 29, 2021 16:57:55 GMT -6
Gonna watching every faceoff closely this pre-season. Has Dach improved? Is Toews back to his old high win %? Face-offs have been, and still could be a big issue.
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Post by mvr on Sept 29, 2021 17:24:43 GMT -6
Re Nylander: You can't waive him. He will be claimed. He still has tremendous upside, and he is very young. Start him on the fourth line, and build up his stamina that way. I do not subscribe to the opinion that Nylander is lazy or frightened. I do think he is still processing the play too slowly. Many star players take time to adjust to the speed of the pro game. They need to make their decisions more quickly than in the minor leagues. The bigger problem here is whether Nylander, Strome and Dach all belong in the top 6 or in some cases, the NHL. So far all of them really haven’t shown much at this level. Soon, it’s make or break for all of them. Dach could easily fall into Strome territory as a former 3rd overall who’s big but doesn’t do enough. How long do you wait? Personally, I don’t wait much past this season. If the Hawks are in win now mode, Dach can get a decent player back and help the team win now. Same with Strome. The future is now. The rebuild never was!!! I wait until next spring. By that time, we will have a better idea about the four young guys entering their mid-twenties: Gaudette, Borgstrom, Nylander and Strome. I am hopeful that two or three demonstrate they belong.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 29, 2021 17:26:33 GMT -6
Gonna watching every faceoff closely this pre-season. Has Dach improved? Is Toews back to his old high win %? Face-offs have been, and still could be a big issue. Maybe 2 could've been 50/50 but the rest Toews won easily. Dach is learning from one of the best.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 29, 2021 18:43:47 GMT -6
Gonna watching every faceoff closely this pre-season. Has Dach improved? Is Toews back to his old high win %? Face-offs have been, and still could be a big issue. that's some good practice for Doc. not many better he could be learning from.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 29, 2021 18:49:25 GMT -6
Re Nylander: You can't waive him. He will be claimed. He still has tremendous upside, and he is very young. Start him on the fourth line, and build up his stamina that way. I do not subscribe to the opinion that Nylander is lazy or frightened. I do think he is still processing the play too slowly. Many star players take time to adjust to the speed of the pro game. They need to make their decisions more quickly than in the minor leagues. The bigger problem here is whether Nylander, Strome and Dach all belong in the top 6 or in some cases, the NHL. So far all of them really haven’t shown much at this level. Soon, it’s make or break for all of them. Dach could easily fall into Strome territory as a former 3rd overall who’s big but doesn’t do enough. How long do you wait? Personally, I don’t wait much past this season. If the Hawks are in win now mode, Dach can get a decent player back and help the team win now. Same with Strome. The future is now. The rebuild never was!!! I don't think it is fair to put Doc there. he has more grit and work ethic in his big toe than the other two combined... plus he has been dinged up. I think he will look a lot more like a #3 overall this year.
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Post by mvr on Sept 29, 2021 19:35:22 GMT -6
The truth is with Covid, the weird schedule, the bubbled environment etc... we cannot with any reliability project how players who played last year and a half will respond this time round.
The best approach might be to give everyone a fresh start and see what happens.
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Post by BigT on Sept 29, 2021 19:41:18 GMT -6
The bigger problem here is whether Nylander, Strome and Dach all belong in the top 6 or in some cases, the NHL. So far all of them really haven’t shown much at this level. Soon, it’s make or break for all of them. Dach could easily fall into Strome territory as a former 3rd overall who’s big but doesn’t do enough. How long do you wait? Personally, I don’t wait much past this season. If the Hawks are in win now mode, Dach can get a decent player back and help the team win now. Same with Strome. The future is now. The rebuild never was!!! I don't think it is fair to put Doc there. he has more grit and work ethic in his big toe than the other two combined... plus he has been dinged up. I think he will look a lot more like a #3 overall this year. I said if Dach doesn’t show up this year, and looks like Strome did last year. How long do you keep him? So far, Dach has had a handful of decent games. Maybe 2 handfuls. He’s played only 82 games, but if he gets injured again or just doesn’t have it, how long do you keep him? Will the boat be missed on trading him while he has the 3rd overall moniker? Or the Gus syndrome. I have never dumped on Dach, I’m not now. I’m just losing the question of how long do you keep him? I also have stated over the last couple months and recently that I’d try and get a solid player for him after this year if the kid doesn’t take the next step. Might be early for that in most people’s minds, but a full rebuild is coming within the next 5 years anyways, so might as well go for it now!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 29, 2021 19:45:58 GMT -6
The bigger problem here is whether Nylander, Strome and Dach all belong in the top 6 or in some cases, the NHL. So far all of them really haven’t shown much at this level. Soon, it’s make or break for all of them. Dach could easily fall into Strome territory as a former 3rd overall who’s big but doesn’t do enough. How long do you wait? Personally, I don’t wait much past this season. If the Hawks are in win now mode, Dach can get a decent player back and help the team win now. Same with Strome. The future is now. The rebuild never was!!! I don't think it is fair to put Doc there. he has more grit and work ethic in his big toe than the other two combined... plus he has been dinged up. I think he will look a lot more like a #3 overall this year. Got a helper on Hagelstorm's tally tonight...so that's gotta be worth something. Too bad ESPN+ isn't televising it.
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 29, 2021 19:48:35 GMT -6
I don't think it is fair to put Doc there. he has more grit and work ethic in his big toe than the other two combined... plus he has been dinged up. I think he will look a lot more like a #3 overall this year. I said if Dach doesn’t show up this year, and looks like Strome did last year. How long do you keep him? So far, Dach has had a handful of decent games. Maybe 2 handfuls. He’s played only 82 games, but if he gets injured again or just doesn’t have it, how long do you keep him? Will the boat be missed on trading him while he has the 3rd overall moniker? Or the Gus syndrome. I have never dumped on Dach, I’m not now. I’m just losing the question of how long do you keep him? I also have stated over the last couple months and recently that I’d try and get a solid player for him after this year if the kid doesn’t take the next step. Might be early for that in most people’s minds, but a full rebuild is coming within the next 5 years anyways, so might as well go for it now!!! Serious question: If the 'hawks jettison Dach, do you trust Stan to get good value for him?
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Post by BigT on Sept 29, 2021 19:56:53 GMT -6
I said if Dach doesn’t show up this year, and looks like Strome did last year. How long do you keep him? So far, Dach has had a handful of decent games. Maybe 2 handfuls. He’s played only 82 games, but if he gets injured again or just doesn’t have it, how long do you keep him? Will the boat be missed on trading him while he has the 3rd overall moniker? Or the Gus syndrome. I have never dumped on Dach, I’m not now. I’m just losing the question of how long do you keep him? I also have stated over the last couple months and recently that I’d try and get a solid player for him after this year if the kid doesn’t take the next step. Might be early for that in most people’s minds, but a full rebuild is coming within the next 5 years anyways, so might as well go for it now!!! Serious question: If the 'hawks jettison Dach, do you trust Stan to get good value for him? Of course not. My hope and goal is to see him develop into one hell of a player. I’m only posing the question to see what others think the timeline should be. Even the Coyotes got Schmaltz for Strome and the other throw in. If Dach gets 31 points this year and just doesn’t live up to a 3rd overall. Do you give him another year? Let’s say the Hawks make the playoffs and lose in first round. Fleury retires and the Hawks need players. Do they do what you said and go back to the rebuild territory? So let’s hop at least Dach becomes a real solid National Leaguer!!!
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