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Post by nighbor on Dec 8, 2021 1:48:57 GMT -6
It is hypocritical to put Strome on the top lines because he has not done much better than Dach. Strome has been on the lower lines the last two seasons playing against lesser talent and he has not been able to light the lamp on a regular or semi-regular basis. Well, did you see the Hawks first goal tonight? Strome wins faceoff and puck goes in. Not sure what you’re watching there!!! The first goal was scored by Gus unassisted. The faceoff awas a mad scramble with a NY player passing the puck to Gus. On the second goal Strome won the faceoff to Debrincat who put it towards the net. Dach was surrounded by Rangers when he located the puck and scored. On this night Strome was 4 wins 11 losses for a rate of 27% and Dach won 3 and lost 4 for rate of 43%. Faceoffs alone do not a center make. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 8, 2021 2:05:35 GMT -6
Well, did you see the Hawks first goal tonight? Strome wins faceoff and puck goes in. Not sure what you’re watching there!!! The first goal was scored by Gus unassisted. The faceoff awas a mad scramble with a NY player passing the puck to Gus. On the second goal Strome won the faceoff to Debrincat who put it towards the net. Dach was surrounded by Rangers when he located the puck and scored. On this night Strome was 4 wins 11 losses for a rate of 27% and Dach won 3 and lost 4 for rate of 43%. Faceoffs alone do not a center make. I thought Kubalik won the FO on Gus’ goal, but you’re right about the Rag pushing it back to Gus. It’s been brought up here before how puck retrieval on close FO’s can get you possession but the Hawks aren’t particularly good at that as well. |
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Post by Tater on Dec 8, 2021 2:10:38 GMT -6
I thought Kubalik won the FO on Gus’ goal, but you’re right about the Rag pushing it back to Gus. It’s been brought up here before how puck retrieval on close FO’s can get you possession but the Hawks aren’t particularly good at that as well. Definitely, and it's frustrating. Lots of good examples over the last few games. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 8, 2021 6:42:49 GMT -6
Well, did you see the Hawks first goal tonight? Strome wins faceoff and puck goes in. Not sure what you’re watching there!!! The first goal was scored by Gus unassisted. The faceoff awas a mad scramble with a NY player passing the puck to Gus. On the second goal Strome won the faceoff to Debrincat who put it towards the net. Dach was surrounded by Rangers when he located the puck and scored. On this night Strome was 4 wins 11 losses for a rate of 27% and Dach won 3 and lost 4 for rate of 43%. Faceoffs alone do not a center make. Bullshit. Wingers win over half of a Center mans draws. Kubalik pushed it back. Strome held his ground and never lost it. The Hawks were winning draws. Then Jar Jar got hurt, then the wheels came off. I don’t think the focus was on the game anymore!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 8, 2021 8:54:08 GMT -6
This team has checked out for the season. Time to trade away everyone.
This coaching staff is no better than the last one. Time to nuke the team.
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Post by hsbob on Dec 8, 2021 9:08:20 GMT -6
Right now it’s best that Dach goes to line 3 or 4 and earns his way. Boqvist now has 6 goals in 16 games on the 3rd pairing and top pp time. Dach should not be in the top 6 as of now. Top 6 should be Toews, Kane, Dcat, Hagel, Kubalik and Strome. And use them in any order you like. I was not the h biggest fan of Boqvist. I was just Ben lesser of a fan how they used him here. He never ever ever should have been used on the top pairing with an ever so aging Keith. It just sucks that the guys running the show were stupid on a smart day. The scouting dept got some decent talent in here and the management and coaching staff ruined the hell out of a lot of guys. I still see similarities with Dach on the top line. Just stupid!!! It is hypocritical to put Strome on the top lines because he has not done much better than Dach. Strome has been on the lower lines the last two seasons playing against lesser talent and he has not been able to light the lamp on a regular or semi-regular basis. IMO,that was a misuse of Dylan Strome. What we saw from him once he and D-Cat were rejoined was quite the display and it was a 58gm sample size with very good results(51pts for Strome and 41gls for Cat). They were broken up half way through the first game the following year and only saw action together on a 3rd line with Strom at wing. A head coach who never should have stepped behind an NHL bench had one of the game's best goal scorers on the "lower lines" that year too. How does a guy light the lamp on a regular basis from the press box? JC had a dislike for Strome that resulted in lesser players playing over him,sometimes much lesser and that factored into the horrible start as much as anything. I know Strome's game has holes in it,and it looks like we'll only get his best skating with D-Cat and Kane but since they're looking to move him and Dach can't win draws.....shouldn't he be where his value could get a bump? |
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Post by steamer on Dec 8, 2021 9:31:20 GMT -6
I think hsbob makes a good point. Put Strome with Cat and move Dach to 3rd line. Dach would still be helpful on 2nd PP unit.
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Post by vonbeck on Dec 8, 2021 10:45:08 GMT -6
This team has checked out for the season. Time to trade away everyone. This coaching staff is no better than the last one. Time to nuke the team. I'm all for that...
Here's an interesting article about the numbers. Colliton Vs. King
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Post by steamer on Dec 8, 2021 10:50:31 GMT -6
This team has checked out for the season. Time to trade away everyone. This coaching staff is no better than the last one. Time to nuke the team. I'm all for that...
Here's an interesting article about the numbers. Colliton Vs. King
Thanks for excellent article! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 8, 2021 11:56:29 GMT -6
I wonder if they will even hire a GM during the season. There sure is no talk about possible choices, unlike what we see in college football whenever a coach moves or gets canned. With no GM, there will be no changes in this pitiful team. Even with a GM finally in position, it will be interesting to see how fast he moves. Something needs to be done right away if there is to be any decent future for this messed up franchise. There has been ample discussion here about what needs to be done. I'll be waiting to see what course the new GM (if one ever gets named) takes.
First though, I wonder if the owner(s) of the franchise even gives a flying fox about the success of the team. Maybe he is just happy raking in ticket and merchandise sales and isn't paying any attention to how awful his team is. It may not be true, but it sure looks that way.
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Post by tincup on Dec 8, 2021 15:44:29 GMT -6
This team has checked out for the season. Time to trade away everyone. This coaching staff is no better than the last one. Time to nuke the team. I'm all for that...
Here's an interesting article about the numbers. Colliton Vs. King
Good article. And Natural Stat Trick is a good site. But I’d be curious to see how those numbers stack up against last years team and before all these expensive moves were made. They gave up a lot for the now while giving up a lot of future. |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 8, 2021 17:39:56 GMT -6
I wonder if they will even hire a GM during the season. There sure is no talk about possible choices, unlike what we see in college football whenever a coach moves or gets canned. With no GM, there will be no changes in this pitiful team. Even with a GM finally in position, it will be interesting to see how fast he moves. Something needs to be done right away if there is to be any decent future for this messed up franchise. There has been ample discussion here about what needs to be done. I'll be waiting to see what course the new GM (if one ever gets named) takes. First though, I wonder if the owner(s) of the franchise even gives a flying fox about the success of the team. Maybe he is just happy raking in ticket and merchandise sales and isn't paying any attention to how awful his team is. It may not be true, but it sure looks that way. I know Big T has mentioned it here already, but I think we already have a GM in place, they are just going to wait to make it official. maybe they hire a hockey ops prez and let them decide once and for all, but right now it seems to me like Kyle is gonna be the guy (basically already is). |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 8, 2021 17:42:16 GMT -6
I wonder if they will even hire a GM during the season. There sure is no talk about possible choices, unlike what we see in college football whenever a coach moves or gets canned. With no GM, there will be no changes in this pitiful team. Even with a GM finally in position, it will be interesting to see how fast he moves. Something needs to be done right away if there is to be any decent future for this messed up franchise. There has been ample discussion here about what needs to be done. I'll be waiting to see what course the new GM (if one ever gets named) takes. First though, I wonder if the owner(s) of the franchise even gives a flying fox about the success of the team. Maybe he is just happy raking in ticket and merchandise sales and isn't paying any attention to how awful his team is. It may not be true, but it sure looks that way. I know Big T has mentioned it here already, but I think we already have a GM in place, they are just going to wait to make it official. maybe they hire a hockey ops prez and let them decide once and for all, but right now it seems to me like Kyle is gonna be the guy (basically already is). Isn't that great, another guy who is a bean counter that was hired by boman. If the wirtzs are serious about the team they need to cut ALL ties with anyone hired by the bowmans. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 8, 2021 18:27:17 GMT -6
I wonder if they will even hire a GM during the season. There sure is no talk about possible choices, unlike what we see in college football whenever a coach moves or gets canned. With no GM, there will be no changes in this pitiful team. Even with a GM finally in position, it will be interesting to see how fast he moves. Something needs to be done right away if there is to be any decent future for this messed up franchise. There has been ample discussion here about what needs to be done. I'll be waiting to see what course the new GM (if one ever gets named) takes. First though, I wonder if the owner(s) of the franchise even gives a flying fox about the success of the team. Maybe he is just happy raking in ticket and merchandise sales and isn't paying any attention to how awful his team is. It may not be true, but it sure looks that way. I know Big T has mentioned it here already, but I think we already have a GM in place, they are just going to wait to make it official. maybe they hire a hockey ops prez and let them decide once and for all, but right now it seems to me like Kyle is gonna be the guy (basically already is). I thought there was something about an interim GM named Davidson, but maybe I read it wrong, or am simply mistaken. In any event, if I understood it correctly that an interim GM has been named, that is not at all like hiring a permanent GM who has passed an assessment as being the best that can be hired. I am not saying the interim cannot be that guy, but, generally interim hires are not the ones the team really wants in the position. Here is what I found: "Kyle Davidson (born 1988 or 1989) is a Canadian sports executive who has been serving as interim general manager of the Chicago Blackhawks ice hockey organization in the National Hockey League (NHL) since October 26, 2021.[1] Davidson graduated with a bachelor's degree in sports leadership from Laurentian University. After graduating in 2009, he began working for the Ottawa Senators (NHL) in their supporter relations department. The following year, Davidson became an intern with the Chicago Blackhawks as a video analyst. Between 2012 and 2018, he worked for the ice hockey organization's administration and held various positions. In 2018, he was appointed assistant to general manager Stan Bowman. The following year, Davidson was promoted to assistant general manager, and in October 2021 he took over on an interim basis after Bowman stepped down from his positions with the Blackhawks." So, he's got the degree in "sports leadership" whatever the hell that is and he is 33 years old. He has the supporter relations department and video analyst experience and was Bowman's assistant. Maybe it is just me, but none of that inspires much confidence and hardly comes close to the sort of well-experienced hockey mind posters have been writing about here. But, maybe someone who runs the concessions and specializes in choosing new items for the menu can be put in charge of the search for a permanent GM. Or, maybe KD is far more qualified than I conclude from his bio and will make a great permanent GM. I think that there is a severe lack of leadership in this organization that keeps the best from running the show at any level. They got lucky for awhile with the Kane/Toews etc draft picks and free agents/trades with a very good coach in Quenneville, but now they are no longer lucky and don't have what it takes upstairs to put a good team together. The fact that Bowman and Colliton were kept around for so long with disastrous results convinces me of this. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 8, 2021 18:41:54 GMT -6
I know Big T has mentioned it here already, but I think we already have a GM in place, they are just going to wait to make it official. maybe they hire a hockey ops prez and let them decide once and for all, but right now it seems to me like Kyle is gonna be the guy (basically already is). Isn't that great, another guy who is a bean counter that was hired by boman. If the wirtzs are serious about the team they need to cut ALL ties with anyone hired by the bowmans. No no no. Davidson made it very very clear. He said “I am not Stan Bowman”. So far he’s got more credibility than him with that statement!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 8, 2021 19:01:50 GMT -6
Isn't that great, another guy who is a bean counter that was hired by boman. If the wirtzs are serious about the team they need to cut ALL ties with anyone hired by the bowmans. No no no. Davidson made it very very clear. He said “I am not Stan Bowman”. So far he’s got more credibility than him with that statement!!! If they hire Eddie O as the new President, he can make that every fan has a soft serve machine. I'm all for that. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 8, 2021 20:23:34 GMT -6
As for the hope that the team will hire a great hockey mind for GM, I looked at a list of GMs and saw that 5 to 10 had no playing experience while most had anywhere from 5 to 15 years of playing experience. I'd rather see a guy with many years of playing experience, like Yzerman, or Doug Wilson, than a guy with a degree in sports leadership run the show. But, I guess that is just my bias. I'd rather see someone who knows how to judge the skills of a player than someone who runs shows by some accounting formulas.
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Post by steamer on Dec 8, 2021 20:54:14 GMT -6
What’s Jeremy Roenick up to these days? After he was fired for his Kathryn Tappan remarks - maybe that’s actually not a good PR move.
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Post by vonbeck on Dec 8, 2021 21:18:28 GMT -6
Hey I don't know if ya boys saw this but Trouba does it again tonight... www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQG-uA6Bsp8&t=2sLove Landeskog response! That's how it's done Hawks!!!
What's John Scott doing these days?
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Post by nighbor on Dec 8, 2021 23:24:29 GMT -6
It is hypocritical to put Strome on the top lines because he has not done much better than Dach. Strome has been on the lower lines the last two seasons playing against lesser talent and he has not been able to light the lamp on a regular or semi-regular basis. IMO,that was a misuse of Dylan Strome. What we saw from him once he and D-Cat were rejoined was quite the display and it was a 58gm sample size with very good results(51pts for Strome and 41gls for Cat). They were broken up half way through the first game the following year and only saw action together on a 3rd line with Strom at wing. A head coach who never should have stepped behind an NHL bench had one of the game's best goal scorers on the "lower lines" that year too. How does a guy light the lamp on a regular basis from the press box? JC had a dislike for Strome that resulted in lesser players playing over him,sometimes much lesser and that factored into the horrible start as much as anything. I know Strome's game has holes in it,and it looks like we'll only get his best skating with D-Cat and Kane but since they're looking to move him and Dach can't win draws.....shouldn't he be where his value could get a bump? D-Cat started that season playing with JT and Kahun and I believe he scored around 10 goals and had a number of assists playing with them. Strome like AA before him got to play with two offensively gifted stars inflating his own numbers. While with Arizona in 48 games he had 7gls plus 9a or a ppg of .333. You would have me believe that Strome was scratched more often than he played. He was benched because of his many holes and apparently his inability or unwillingness to improve on his all around game. D-Cat and Kane can score with anyone at center including a low faceoff percentage guy like Dach. JC needed a good center to lead a third offensive line (a Kruger with offensive talent) and Strome was hopefully that player. Its too late! The word is already out on Strome and its nothing to crow about. Offensively gifted with no heart for the dirty areas and lack of work ethic. The best we can hope for is some team at the tdl needs a one dimensional center. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 9, 2021 11:20:05 GMT -6
IMO,that was a misuse of Dylan Strome. What we saw from him once he and D-Cat were rejoined was quite the display and it was a 58gm sample size with very good results(51pts for Strome and 41gls for Cat). They were broken up half way through the first game the following year and only saw action together on a 3rd line with Strom at wing. A head coach who never should have stepped behind an NHL bench had one of the game's best goal scorers on the "lower lines" that year too. How does a guy light the lamp on a regular basis from the press box? JC had a dislike for Strome that resulted in lesser players playing over him,sometimes much lesser and that factored into the horrible start as much as anything. I know Strome's game has holes in it,and it looks like we'll only get his best skating with D-Cat and Kane but since they're looking to move him and Dach can't win draws.....shouldn't he be where his value could get a bump? D-Cat started that season playing with JT and Kahun and I believe he scored around 10 goals and had a number of assists playing with them. Strome like AA before him got to play with two offensively gifted stars inflating his own numbers. While with Arizona in 48 games he had 7gls plus 9a or a ppg of .333. You would have me believe that Strome was scratched more often than he played. He was benched because of his many holes and apparently his inability or unwillingness to improve on his all around game. D-Cat and Kane can score with anyone at center including a low faceoff percentage guy like Dach. JC needed a good center to lead a third offensive line (a Kruger with offensive talent) and Strome was hopefully that player. Its too late! The word is already out on Strome and its nothing to crow about. Offensively gifted with no heart for the dirty areas and lack of work ethic. The best we can hope for is some team at the tdl needs a one dimensional center. Strome and D-cat LIT IT UP with Perlini as a 3rd wheel after Strome's arrival,their chemistry from their OHL days was on full display.......they did NOT need Kane to do so! They were separated half way through the 1st game the following year by a HC who had NO business behind an NHL bench and it's common knowledge both skated 3rd line much of that year....Strome as a wing. How else would D-Cat end up with 18 goals? He'll never end up anywhere near that again at any point in his career. Strome,like NOlandr,Joker and Boqvist regressed under a total lack of tutelage here. Maybe a change helps Strome,NOlander belongs in the AHL and Joker and Boqvist are both coming along nicely on their new teams and vastly better coaching staffs. |
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Post by steamer on Dec 9, 2021 17:13:37 GMT -6
Apparently Strome is a scratch tonight. King saying "he needs to change his game a bit to play".
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Post by tincup on Dec 9, 2021 17:30:51 GMT -6
Apparently Strome is a scratch tonight. King saying "he needs to change his game a bit to play". Seriously? Four regulation goals for the team last two games and he was in on two of them. A team in desperation of scoring can now afford to sit him again. |
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Post by mvr on Dec 9, 2021 19:46:31 GMT -6
Re Strome:
The comments from King must be a smokes-screen.
We all know he is being shopped hard. The Hawks won't keep him past this year. They will lose him for nothing in the summer.
My guess is that a potential trade partner is nibbling. Strome has shown what he needs to the past couple of games. Now he is being kept out to avoid injury. Hopefully for his sake a trade happens soon. Enough is enough.
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 9, 2021 20:22:47 GMT -6
Apparently Strome is a scratch tonight. King saying "he needs to change his game a bit to play". Seriously? Four regulation goals for the team last two games and he was in on two of them. A team in desperation of scoring can now afford to sit him again. I would give King benefit of the doubt. For what hes done so far, he deserve that. Strome has a tendency to get complacent. String of great games followed by lazy games throughout his career. Lets not just look at the last couple of games |
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Post by tincup on Dec 9, 2021 20:30:18 GMT -6
Seriously? Four regulation goals for the team last two games and he was in on two of them. A team in desperation of scoring can now afford to sit him again. I would give King benefit of the doubt. For what hes done so far, he deserve that. Strome has a tendency to get complacent. String of great games followed by lazy games throughout his career. Lets not just look at the last couple of games Thing is , Strome’s last two were fine. Is King a great prognosticator to see that Strome was going to have a stinker tonight? By all means, sit a guy if he isn’t trying but why do it when he is? |
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Post by BigT on Dec 9, 2021 20:56:25 GMT -6
Problem I have with King is he’s from the dead puck era. Late 90s early 2000s. He coaches with defense first, second and usually 3rd.
When a team is struggling to score. And he’s worried about defense. We do not need that coach moving forward. The Hawks need a much more progressive coach.
When 3/4 of the team is struggling to score, it’s time to look to the orb and find the answers. 2 goals a game won’t cut it. And it’s not like it’s only been a few games. This is like 15+. Just not my bowl of borscht. Team is actually hard to watch. Very boring they are!!!
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 9, 2021 23:59:51 GMT -6
I would give King benefit of the doubt. For what hes done so far, he deserve that. Strome has a tendency to get complacent. String of great games followed by lazy games throughout his career. Lets not just look at the last couple of games Thing is , Strome’s last two were fine. Is King a great prognosticator to see that Strome was going to have a stinker tonight? By all means, sit a guy if he isn’t trying but why do it when he is? Thats exactly my point. Maybe he saw something from the last couple of games about Strome that he deserved to be benched. I mean this is Strome were talking about. King has a what, 9-4 since he took over? Im pretty sure thats a result of whatever prognostication he might have |
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Post by BigT on Dec 10, 2021 6:37:56 GMT -6
Thing is , Strome’s last two were fine. Is King a great prognosticator to see that Strome was going to have a stinker tonight? By all means, sit a guy if he isn’t trying but why do it when he is? Thats exactly my point. Maybe he saw something from the last couple of games about Strome that he deserved to be benched. I mean this is Strome were talking about. King has a what, 9-4 since he took over? Im pretty sure thats a result of whatever prognostication he might have I believe they’re 9-5. Not bad. But it’s terrible for development of players. It’s too defensive. Yes it can win. We’ve seen it before. But the problem is that you’ll run into a wagon of a team like Colorado and get rolled over. Those coaches barely win much. Just like a coach whose too offensive. Gotta have middle ground. It seems to me that King is good with 0-0 when 5 on 5. He’s looking to win the special teams battles. And we get maybe an even strength goal, and a pp goal and try and win 2-1. That’s not gonna cut it in todays NHL. I hope he’s not the long term solution!!! |
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Post by tincup on Dec 10, 2021 10:18:36 GMT -6
Thing is , Strome’s last two were fine. Is King a great prognosticator to see that Strome was going to have a stinker tonight? By all means, sit a guy if he isn’t trying but why do it when he is? Thats exactly my point. Maybe he saw something from the last couple of games about Strome that he deserved to be benched. I mean this is Strome were talking about. King has a what, 9-4 since he took over? Im pretty sure thats a result of whatever prognostication he might have I would have explained that record mainly on better goaltending and some on a more traditional defensive structure. Even after the Rangers game exploded on them Strome’s stat line was as good as any on the team. Did his aversion to real physical play manifest again? I’m thinking King expects players to play to their size. Thing is, you can watch a game and with few exceptions most players have a flaw in their overall game. Strome just seems to be the easiest to remove at this point. |
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