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Post by steamer on Dec 10, 2021 11:14:13 GMT -6
Strome is a tough one to figure out. He displays offensive skills - particularly setting up others but whether his confidence is shot because they play him then don’t and move all around the lineup, I don’t know. I doubt a player who doesn’t go for the rough stuff ever changes his stripes but if he could be a consistent center man then I don’t care if he avoids contact. I mean ideally I like a guy who is comfortable with both but if he can generate scoring and not take the body, I’ll take it.
Can’t they give him a 7 or 8 game stretch with the same linemates and see how it goes? Rather than in and out and here and there?
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 10, 2021 11:45:31 GMT -6
Strome is a tough one to figure out. He displays offensive skills - particularly setting up others but whether his confidence is shot because they play him then don’t and move all around the lineup, I don’t know. I doubt a player who doesn’t go for the rough stuff ever changes his stripes but if he could be a consistent center man then I don’t care if he avoids contact. I mean ideally I like a guy who is comfortable with both but if he can generate scoring and not take the body, I’ll take it. Can’t they give him a 7 or 8 game stretch with the same linemates and see how it goes? Rather than in and out and here and there? I'm sure they base their lines on what they see and do in practice. If it's not clicking there they can't assume it will work in the game. |
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Post by steamer on Dec 10, 2021 11:53:26 GMT -6
Strome is a tough one to figure out. He displays offensive skills - particularly setting up others but whether his confidence is shot because they play him then don’t and move all around the lineup, I don’t know. I doubt a player who doesn’t go for the rough stuff ever changes his stripes but if he could be a consistent center man then I don’t care if he avoids contact. I mean ideally I like a guy who is comfortable with both but if he can generate scoring and not take the body, I’ll take it. Can’t they give him a 7 or 8 game stretch with the same linemates and see how it goes? Rather than in and out and here and there? I'm sure they base their lines on what they see and do in practice. If it's not clicking there they can't assume it will work in the game. That makes sense except they’ve tried about every combination and then only had marginal (at best) success in games. I have to think certain players are just natural complements to others. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 10, 2021 13:09:07 GMT -6
I'm sure they base their lines on what they see and do in practice. If it's not clicking there they can't assume it will work in the game. That makes sense except they’ve tried about every combination and then only had marginal (at best) success in games. I have to think certain players are just natural complements to others. Always another way to shuffle. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 10, 2021 15:41:58 GMT -6
That makes sense except they’ve tried about every combination and then only had marginal (at best) success in games. I have to think certain players are just natural complements to others. Always another way to shuffle. They can use their tried and true methods of the past.  |
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 10, 2021 15:58:14 GMT -6
Thats exactly my point. Maybe he saw something from the last couple of games about Strome that he deserved to be benched. I mean this is Strome were talking about. King has a what, 9-4 since he took over? Im pretty sure thats a result of whatever prognostication he might have I would have explained that record mainly on better goaltending and some on a more traditional defensive structure. Even after the Rangers game exploded on them Strome’s stat line was as good as any on the team. Did his aversion to real physical play manifest again? I’m thinking King expects players to play to their size. Thing is, you can watch a game and with few exceptions most players have a flaw in their overall game. Strome just seems to be the easiest to remove at this point. Better goaltending can come from better defense overall. Regardless of how the team finishes the game, win or loss, the coach has something to do with it. All im saying is, give him the benefit of the doubt on some of the strategy and personnel decisions. His results are good so far |
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 10, 2021 16:02:38 GMT -6
Thats exactly my point. Maybe he saw something from the last couple of games about Strome that he deserved to be benched. I mean this is Strome were talking about. King has a what, 9-4 since he took over? Im pretty sure thats a result of whatever prognostication he might have I believe they’re 9-5. Not bad. But it’s terrible for development of players. It’s too defensive. Yes it can win. We’ve seen it before. But the problem is that you’ll run into a wagon of a team like Colorado and get rolled over. Those coaches barely win much. Just like a coach whose too offensive. Gotta have middle ground. It seems to me that King is good with 0-0 when 5 on 5. He’s looking to win the special teams battles. And we get maybe an even strength goal, and a pp goal and try and win 2-1. That’s not gonna cut it in todays NHL. I hope he’s not the long term solution!!! I not saying King is a great coach or hes going to play this roster to the cup. Werent we all bitching about how bad the defense were under JC? So King comes in and somewhat fixes that and the team is above .500 Its only been 15 games and from what has transpired, he seems to be doing more good than bad. Who knows, maybe he can get Strome, Kubalik and others’ offense going. Give King and his decisions some credit, thats all im saying |
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Post by steamer on Dec 10, 2021 18:39:54 GMT -6
I do think the overall defense is a little better and maybe King deserves credit. Some have posted that they aren’t chasing opposing forwards out to the blue line so maybe King changed that. It doesn’t hurt also that the pairings are getting some experience together.
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Dec 10, 2021 21:30:26 GMT -6
Just read an article out of the Sun times, Coach says it's a trust issue with strome, with his defensive play, like a defensive end faceoff, at the end of the game, I wish I knew how to link it here, but you can probably dig it up, King says he believes he has the talent, but trusting him to use it,in a defensive situation, everything isn't about scoring . Kinda like a read between the lines article, for me anyway
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Post by BigT on Dec 11, 2021 0:05:53 GMT -6
I believe they’re 9-5. Not bad. But it’s terrible for development of players. It’s too defensive. Yes it can win. We’ve seen it before. But the problem is that you’ll run into a wagon of a team like Colorado and get rolled over. Those coaches barely win much. Just like a coach whose too offensive. Gotta have middle ground. It seems to me that King is good with 0-0 when 5 on 5. He’s looking to win the special teams battles. And we get maybe an even strength goal, and a pp goal and try and win 2-1. That’s not gonna cut it in todays NHL. I hope he’s not the long term solution!!! I not saying King is a great coach or hes going to play this roster to the cup. Werent we all bitching about how bad the defense were under JC? So King comes in and somewhat fixes that and the team is above .500 Its only been 15 games and from what has transpired, he seems to be doing more good than bad. Who knows, maybe he can get Strome, Kubalik and others’ offense going. Give King and his decisions some credit, thats all im saying I totally see what you’re saying. I get it. But we have to look at the other end of the spectrum. 2 goals a game isn’t gonna get you very far.and it’s been 15 games. Almost every player is suffocating under this system. Kane, Toews, Dcat, Kubalik, Dach etc. Now, Strome isn’t the best defensively. We know this. It’s like he’s trying to turn Strome into the next coming of Toews. Yet Dach goes out and plays 3X worse and gets rewarded. I don’t think King is the long term answer. I really don’t think his work has done much. My reasoning is simply because we were used to watching the worst coach in the history of the Hawks and maybe the league. So it doesn’t give a free pass to King for bein a total polar opposite. It’s only a matter of time before the players quit on him too. I still don’t think King has changed the defensive outlook. All he’s doing is getting the whole team to play smothering defense. Which crushes the offense. Yes it works on one end. But it fails on the other. So we have to look to the orb for some meaning. I don’t hate King. I just don’t think he’s the right guy. He’s winning at a terrible cost. Yes defensive play is very important. But kids like Dach will never develop. And the kids on d will think it’s easier than it is if they only have to do half the work due to the team playing their position. Sometimes your best defense is a good offense. The opposition cannot score if you have the puck in their end. And the Hawks attack zone time has been pitiful. Which leads to more opposing attack zone time!!! |
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 11, 2021 1:43:03 GMT -6
I not saying King is a great coach or hes going to play this roster to the cup. Werent we all bitching about how bad the defense were under JC? So King comes in and somewhat fixes that and the team is above .500 Its only been 15 games and from what has transpired, he seems to be doing more good than bad. Who knows, maybe he can get Strome, Kubalik and others’ offense going. Give King and his decisions some credit, thats all im saying I totally see what you’re saying. I get it. But we have to look at the other end of the spectrum. 2 goals a game isn’t gonna get you very far.and it’s been 15 games. Almost every player is suffocating under this system. Kane, Toews, Dcat, Kubalik, Dach etc. Now, Strome isn’t the best defensively. We know this. It’s like he’s trying to turn Strome into the next coming of Toews. Yet Dach goes out and plays 3X worse and gets rewarded. I don’t think King is the long term answer. I really don’t think his work has done much. My reasoning is simply because we were used to watching the worst coach in the history of the Hawks and maybe the league. So it doesn’t give a free pass to King for bein a total polar opposite. It’s only a matter of time before the players quit on him too. I still don’t think King has changed the defensive outlook. All he’s doing is getting the whole team to play smothering defense. Which crushes the offense. Yes it works on one end. But it fails on the other. So we have to look to the orb for some meaning. I don’t hate King. I just don’t think he’s the right guy. He’s winning at a terrible cost. Yes defensive play is very important. But kids like Dach will never develop. And the kids on d will think it’s easier than it is if they only have to do half the work due to the team playing their position. Sometimes your best defense is a good offense. The opposition cannot score if you have the puck in their end. And the Hawks attack zone time has been pitiful. Which leads to more opposing attack zone time!!! I get it. The team was in rock bottom and only way is up. But its only been 15 games and a winning record. Baby steps BigT, Toews just scored as well. Your opinions are half empty, i prefer it to be half full. Besides winning, what can King really do with this assembled roster? Weve all mentioned how this team lacks talent up and down the lineup |
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Post by BigT on Dec 11, 2021 8:10:08 GMT -6
I totally see what you’re saying. I get it. But we have to look at the other end of the spectrum. 2 goals a game isn’t gonna get you very far.and it’s been 15 games. Almost every player is suffocating under this system. Kane, Toews, Dcat, Kubalik, Dach etc. Now, Strome isn’t the best defensively. We know this. It’s like he’s trying to turn Strome into the next coming of Toews. Yet Dach goes out and plays 3X worse and gets rewarded. I don’t think King is the long term answer. I really don’t think his work has done much. My reasoning is simply because we were used to watching the worst coach in the history of the Hawks and maybe the league. So it doesn’t give a free pass to King for bein a total polar opposite. It’s only a matter of time before the players quit on him too. I still don’t think King has changed the defensive outlook. All he’s doing is getting the whole team to play smothering defense. Which crushes the offense. Yes it works on one end. But it fails on the other. So we have to look to the orb for some meaning. I don’t hate King. I just don’t think he’s the right guy. He’s winning at a terrible cost. Yes defensive play is very important. But kids like Dach will never develop. And the kids on d will think it’s easier than it is if they only have to do half the work due to the team playing their position. Sometimes your best defense is a good offense. The opposition cannot score if you have the puck in their end. And the Hawks attack zone time has been pitiful. Which leads to more opposing attack zone time!!! I get it. The team was in rock bottom and only way is up. But its only been 15 games and a winning record. Baby steps BigT, Toews just scored as well. Your opinions are half empty, i prefer it to be half full. Besides winning, what can King really do with this assembled roster? Weve all mentioned how this team lacks talent up and down the lineup Without blowing up the roster. Here’s what I would do. 1) First I’d find line combos and keep them. Bob had some decent line combos he wrote about. Something like Strome, Dcat, Kane. Then Toews, Kubalik and Hagel. For third line I propose Dach, Kurashev, Entwhistle. 4th Borgstrom, Hardman and cycle in Gabriel (for toughness), Carpenter, Johnson. 2) Gotta play a little looser. Gotta let the boys have fun and learn his ways slowly. For example. Look at the Flames. Sutter came in last year and didn’t really do much. Let them play and have fun. He told his GM to get rid of certain guys and they did. Now they’re the best defensive team in the league and lost a shit ton of talent, and they score quite a few. Like Sutter, this season should be a write off and look at the overall picture. I fully understand that he’s “interim” head coach. He’s got a lot on the line here. But those wins will turn to losses very quickly and he won’t have anything anyways. Wouldn’t it be better (win or lose), to get guys going? Like Kurashev, Dach, Borgstrom, Strome, and the few others that are struggling. Then once they get going and have confidence, reel them in a bit and get a proper system in place. 3) if this franchise is not overly worried about the kids looking like castaways, then they’ll never win. Dach, Strome, Kurashev, Borgstrom, Mitchell, etc. None of them look like difference makers. And this is all we really got as far as top end guys. That’s very worrisome. Because if they trade Strome. There’s a chance Dcat will want 10+ million or want out. Can’t blame him. Why would he sign long term here if the team is gonna suck for 7 of the 8 years he wastes here? Then Dach, Kurashev Borgstrom all have to be “the guys” and that’s much much worse than the olde ABC line with Arnason, Bell and Calder. Imagine your leading scorer having 16 goals for the year? That would be disastrous!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 11, 2021 9:03:27 GMT -6
I get it. The team was in rock bottom and only way is up. But its only been 15 games and a winning record. Baby steps BigT, Toews just scored as well. Your opinions are half empty, i prefer it to be half full. Besides winning, what can King really do with this assembled roster? Weve all mentioned how this team lacks talent up and down the lineup Without blowing up the roster. Here’s what I would do. 1) First I’d find line combos and keep them. Bob had some decent line combos he wrote about. Something like Strome, Dcat, Kane. Then Toews, Kubalik and Hagel. For third line I propose Dach, Kurashev, Entwhistle. 4th Borgstrom, Hardman and cycle in Gabriel (for toughness), Carpenter, Johnson. 2) Gotta play a little looser. Gotta let the boys have fun and learn his ways slowly. For example. Look at the Flames. Sutter came in last year and didn’t really do much. Let them play and have fun. He told his GM to get rid of certain guys and they did. Now they’re the best defensive team in the league and lost a shit ton of talent, and they score quite a few. Like Sutter, this season should be a write off and look at the overall picture. I fully understand that he’s “interim” head coach. He’s got a lot on the line here. But those wins will turn to losses very quickly and he won’t have anything anyways. Wouldn’t it be better (win or lose), to get guys going? Like Kurashev, Dach, Borgstrom, Strome, and the few others that are struggling. Then once they get going and have confidence, reel them in a bit and get a proper system in place. 3) if this franchise is not overly worried about the kids looking like castaways, then they’ll never win. Dach, Strome, Kurashev, Borgstrom, Mitchell, etc. None of them look like difference makers. And this is all we really got as far as top end guys. That’s very worrisome. Because if they trade Strome. There’s a chance Dcat will want 10+ million or want out. Can’t blame him. Why would he sign long term here if the team is gonna suck for 7 of the 8 years he wastes here? Then Dach, Kurashev Borgstrom all have to be “the guys” and that’s much much worse than the olde ABC line with Arnason, Bell and Calder. Imagine your leading scorer having 16 goals for the year? That would be disastrous!!! It looks like our new #1 center in practice between Kane and Cat has 3 points in 17 games and wins 38% of his draws. |
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 11, 2021 16:19:41 GMT -6
I get it. The team was in rock bottom and only way is up. But its only been 15 games and a winning record. Baby steps BigT, Toews just scored as well. Your opinions are half empty, i prefer it to be half full. Besides winning, what can King really do with this assembled roster? Weve all mentioned how this team lacks talent up and down the lineup Without blowing up the roster. Here’s what I would do. 1) First I’d find line combos and keep them. Bob had some decent line combos he wrote about. Something like Strome, Dcat, Kane. Then Toews, Kubalik and Hagel. For third line I propose Dach, Kurashev, Entwhistle. 4th Borgstrom, Hardman and cycle in Gabriel (for toughness), Carpenter, Johnson. 2) Gotta play a little looser. Gotta let the boys have fun and learn his ways slowly. For example. Look at the Flames. Sutter came in last year and didn’t really do much. Let them play and have fun. He told his GM to get rid of certain guys and they did. Now they’re the best defensive team in the league and lost a shit ton of talent, and they score quite a few. Like Sutter, this season should be a write off and look at the overall picture. I fully understand that he’s “interim” head coach. He’s got a lot on the line here. But those wins will turn to losses very quickly and he won’t have anything anyways. Wouldn’t it be better (win or lose), to get guys going? Like Kurashev, Dach, Borgstrom, Strome, and the few others that are struggling. Then once they get going and have confidence, reel them in a bit and get a proper system in place. 3) if this franchise is not overly worried about the kids looking like castaways, then they’ll never win. Dach, Strome, Kurashev, Borgstrom, Mitchell, etc. None of them look like difference makers. And this is all we really got as far as top end guys. That’s very worrisome. Because if they trade Strome. There’s a chance Dcat will want 10+ million or want out. Can’t blame him. Why would he sign long term here if the team is gonna suck for 7 of the 8 years he wastes here? Then Dach, Kurashev Borgstrom all have to be “the guys” and that’s much much worse than the olde ABC line with Arnason, Bell and Calder. Imagine your leading scorer having 16 goals for the year? That would be disastrous!!! Couldve swore people here said this roster lacks talent, maybe not you, but youre expecting it to be defensively sound along with offense that would be sustainable throughout the year? I thought the overall consensus is to blow the team up and start over by tanking? Now youre saying King can make this like what Sutter is doing in Calgary? To be honest, i thought the roster had potential and have said that do a coaching change first before getting rid of players. I think this is where we both at regarding the team under King; Theyre playing better = me Theyre playing better, but not enough = you Also “wins will turn into losses very quickly” - you might turn out to be right but what are you basing this on? The first time coach or a shitty roster? Would a better coach make this current roster result in a winning team by the end of the season? Or King is unable to coach any team into a winning one regardless? |
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Post by steamer on Dec 13, 2021 10:18:32 GMT -6
Seems like it’s hard to tell with many teams whether the players make the coach look good or vice versa. The atmosphere in the locker room appears to be less tense than under Colliton and they have played somewhat better since he took over. But not sure any coach could take this group to a cup. Not enough talent on O or D IMO to perform much better than .500.
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Post by tincup on Dec 13, 2021 10:45:33 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 13, 2021 10:54:08 GMT -6
Seems like it’s hard to tell with many teams whether the players make the coach look good or vice versa. The atmosphere in the locker room appears to be less tense than under Colliton and they have played somewhat better since he took over. But not sure any coach could take this group to a cup. Not enough talent on O or D IMO to perform much better than .500. I'm going to look up the rosters of the last 4 years and see how many guys were changed each year. You can't force a team to gel when you're constantly changing the roster. On an aging team to boot. The core after the 2010 season was young enough and superstars to absorb the influx of new guys. That led to the next 2 cups, should have been a 3peat IMO, but I digress. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 13, 2021 10:56:16 GMT -6
The Hawks might win this game if Calgary doesn't show up. |
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Post by Tater on Dec 13, 2021 12:39:19 GMT -6
I would think the olympics will be cancelled. They will probably need that time for all the make up games.
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Dec 13, 2021 14:32:21 GMT -6
I thought it was odd, the Detroit Lions had like 7 players in protocol yesterday and still played, plus more players with the flu
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 13, 2021 14:36:40 GMT -6
I thought it was odd, the Detroit Lions had like 7 players in protocol yesterday and still played, plus more players with the flu And when Kane and some others were in Covid protocol the Hawks still played. |
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Dec 13, 2021 15:25:06 GMT -6
I thought it was odd, the Detroit Lions had like 7 players in protocol yesterday and still played, plus more players with the flu And when Kane and some others were in Covid protocol the Hawks still played. yeah, I don't know who's decision it is, should be the same throughout the NHL, I'll have to try and Google it ? |
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Post by irmaks on Dec 13, 2021 16:08:11 GMT -6
I thought it was odd, the Detroit Lions had like 7 players in protocol yesterday and still played, plus more players with the flu And when Kane and some others were in Covid protocol the Hawks still played. The problem is they won't be able to go back to Canada without quarantine if more players will be tested positive |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 13, 2021 16:12:16 GMT -6
And when Kane and some others were in Covid protocol the Hawks still played. yeah, I don't know who's decision it is, should be the same throughout the NHL, I'll have to try and Google it ? I guess the problem is 6 guys and 1 coach tested positive at the same time. Not like others we seen with 1 or 2 guys out. No need to postpone those. |
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Dec 13, 2021 17:14:54 GMT -6
I just read, all party's are notified, and then they meet with NHL medical like people, if they come to the conclusion it could cause an outbreak, or is not safe, they can postpone, or cancel the game, or the season ect, so evidently the Flames have a major outbreak, so, postponed game is probably a good idea
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Post by number9 on Dec 13, 2021 17:15:49 GMT -6
yeah, I don't know who's decision it is, should be the same throughout the NHL, I'll have to try and Google it ? I guess the problem is 6 guys and 1 coach tested positive at the same time. Not like others we seen with 1 or 2 guys out. No need to postpone those. San Jose had 7 guys out including Meier and Karlsson and they still had to play their games. That screwed me in the hockey pool too. |
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Post by Tater on Dec 14, 2021 1:54:06 GMT -6
I thought it was odd, the Detroit Lions had like 7 players in protocol yesterday and still played, plus more players with the flu The Rams played tonight too with 5 players out and only a few hours notice. |
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Dec 14, 2021 8:51:59 GMT -6
I thought it was odd, the Detroit Lions had like 7 players in protocol yesterday and still played, plus more players with the flu The Rams played tonight too with 5 players out and only a few hours notice. My guess is the NFL, and NHL , have different rules, but it should be equal for every team, in each sport |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 14, 2021 11:17:36 GMT -6
I guess the problem is 6 guys and 1 coach tested positive at the same time. Not like others we seen with 1 or 2 guys out. No need to postpone those. San Jose had 7 guys out including Meier and Karlsson and they still had to play their games. That screwed me in the hockey pool too. Crossing the border and back must have something to do with it. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 14, 2021 13:01:51 GMT -6
The Rams played tonight too with 5 players out and only a few hours notice. My guess is the NFL, and NHL , have different rules, but it should be equal for every team, in each sport NFL has 50 guys on the roster plus a taxi squad, so 5 guys is nothing. |
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