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Post by vadarx on May 2, 2022 0:27:54 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on May 2, 2022 0:52:12 GMT -6
so, I know folks have talked a lot about what happens here if the 'hawks were to get the top pick. the thought being that IF they did, the brass would be motivated to try not to finish as poorly next season so as to not have to give the jackets a legit shot at Bedard. and also that it would hasten the rebuild...
not so. in an interview with KD recently, he was given that very scenario and he flat out told the interviewer that it wouldn't change anything, that The Plan wouldn't change at all, it would just mean that next season we don't have our own first rounder...
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Post by BigT on May 2, 2022 5:55:23 GMT -6
Basically it’s probably best the Hawks don’t keep this years pick. If they get the 2nd overall let’s say. Logan Cooley looks like another good player. Despite who it is. I don’t believe the Hawks will get a franchise player after #1. And I don’t know if Wright will be a franchise player. He’s good. But how good is the question.
If the Hawks get the 2nd overall. I’d say make some sort of deal with Columbus to take that pick, but add in someone like Sillinger to come back. Or even to get a decent pick back in the future.
If that is the case. Then I don’t see the logic of keeping any of 19/88/12/4. I’d heavily look to to move them all. I don’t see any reason to keep guys that realistically are not part of the future!!!
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Post by vadarx on May 2, 2022 6:32:02 GMT -6
Basically it’s probably best the Hawks don’t keep this years pick. If they get the 2nd overall let’s say. Logan Cooley looks like another good player. Despite who it is. I don’t believe the Hawks will get a franchise player after #1. And I don’t know if Wright will be a franchise player. He’s good. But how good is the question. If the Hawks get the 2nd overall. I’d say make some sort of deal with Columbus to take that pick, but add in someone like Sillinger to come back. Or even to get a decent pick back in the future. If that is the case. Then I don’t see the logic of keeping any of 19/88/12/4. I’d heavily look to to move them all. I don’t see any reason to keep guys that realistically are not part of the future!!! I doubt there is a deal to be made with the jackets. they know the 'hawks will suck next year. either we give them the 2nd overall or they'll roll the dice on next year. and they are DEFINITELY not trading Sillinger... judging by KD's tone, some guys are getting moved or shown the door before next September. he seems pretty firm with his "it's their choice, we'd love to have them but it will be on our terms" line as far as T&K go. Debrincat is for sure being re-signed, though and that should mean that Kane will be as well. unless they rub him the wrong way in terms of money, 88 ain't going nowhere. imo. |
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Post by hsbob on May 2, 2022 10:06:47 GMT -6
Basically it’s probably best the Hawks don’t keep this years pick. If they get the 2nd overall let’s say. Logan Cooley looks like another good player. Despite who it is. I don’t believe the Hawks will get a franchise player after #1. And I don’t know if Wright will be a franchise player. He’s good. But how good is the question. If the Hawks get the 2nd overall. I’d say make some sort of deal with Columbus to take that pick, but add in someone like Sillinger to come back. Or even to get a decent pick back in the future. If that is the case. Then I don’t see the logic of keeping any of 19/88/12/4. I’d heavily look to to move them all. I don’t see any reason to keep guys that realistically are not part of the future!!! I doubt there is a deal to be made with the jackets. they know the 'hawks will suck next year. either we give them the 2nd overall or they'll roll the dice on next year. and they are DEFINITELY not trading Sillinger... judging by KD's tone, some guys are getting moved or shown the door before next September. he seems pretty firm with his "it's their choice, we'd love to have them but it will be on our terms" line as far as T&K go. Debrincat is for sure being re-signed, though and that should mean that Kane will be as well. unless they rub him the wrong way in terms of money, 88 ain't going nowhere. imo. If D-Cat is for sure being re-signed and if 88 ain't going nowhere and JT has a full NMC,who's KD showin' the door to before September unless it's their idea? It sounds like it's JT and it also sounds like JT might be receptive. Was there a KD interview I missed lately,who was he showin' the door too and who's stayin' on our terms.....Connnolly? Tyler Johnson? Murphy 4.4MX4?LOL! I doubt cup winning vets will want to stay where they're not wanted. If Strome goes too as been suggested who TF centers this team next year but then again,no centers is the fastest way to 20-25 wins. |
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Post by nighbor on May 2, 2022 18:02:39 GMT -6
Basically it’s probably best the Hawks don’t keep this years pick. If they get the 2nd overall let’s say. Logan Cooley looks like another good player. Despite who it is. I don’t believe the Hawks will get a franchise player after #1. And I don’t know if Wright will be a franchise player. He’s good. But how good is the question. If the Hawks get the 2nd overall. I’d say make some sort of deal with Columbus to take that pick, but add in someone like Sillinger to come back. Or even to get a decent pick back in the future. If that is the case. Then I don’t see the logic of keeping any of 19/88/12/4. I’d heavily look to to move them all. I don’t see any reason to keep guys that realistically are not part of the future!!! I doubt there is a deal to be made with the jackets. they know the 'hawks will suck next year. either we give them the 2nd overall or they'll roll the dice on next year. and they are DEFINITELY not trading Sillinger... judging by KD's tone, some guys are getting moved or shown the door before next September. he seems pretty firm with his "it's their choice, we'd love to have them but it will be on our terms" line as far as T&K go. Debrincat is for sure being re-signed, though and that should mean that Kane will be as well. unless they rub him the wrong way in terms of money, 88 ain't going nowhere. imo. Columbus hopes we suck next season but I doubt they will gamble as a 2nd pick is as sure as it gets. Columbus wants to win now. The odds of our winning back to back lotteries isn't in their favor. IMHO. Gus and deHaan gone and maybe Strome if deemed too slow for the new system. T&K will be moved if they request it and only if it is good for the team. |
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Post by vadarx on May 2, 2022 18:08:38 GMT -6
I doubt there is a deal to be made with the jackets. they know the 'hawks will suck next year. either we give them the 2nd overall or they'll roll the dice on next year. and they are DEFINITELY not trading Sillinger... judging by KD's tone, some guys are getting moved or shown the door before next September. he seems pretty firm with his "it's their choice, we'd love to have them but it will be on our terms" line as far as T&K go. Debrincat is for sure being re-signed, though and that should mean that Kane will be as well. unless they rub him the wrong way in terms of money, 88 ain't going nowhere. imo. If D-Cat is for sure being re-signed and if 88 ain't going nowhere and JT has a full NMC,who's KD showin' the door to before September unless it's their idea? It sounds like it's JT and it also sounds like JT might be receptive. Was there a KD interview I missed lately,who was he showin' the door too and who's stayin' on our terms.....Connnolly? Tyler Johnson? Murphy 4.4MX4?LOL! I doubt cup winning vets will want to stay where they're not wanted. If Strome goes too as been suggested who TF centers this team next year but then again,no centers is the fastest way to 20-25 wins. if he can move Johnson and Murphy, I guarantee you he will. I doubt he will find too many takers, though. |
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Post by vadarx on May 2, 2022 18:14:03 GMT -6
I doubt there is a deal to be made with the jackets. they know the 'hawks will suck next year. either we give them the 2nd overall or they'll roll the dice on next year. and they are DEFINITELY not trading Sillinger... judging by KD's tone, some guys are getting moved or shown the door before next September. he seems pretty firm with his "it's their choice, we'd love to have them but it will be on our terms" line as far as T&K go. Debrincat is for sure being re-signed, though and that should mean that Kane will be as well. unless they rub him the wrong way in terms of money, 88 ain't going nowhere. imo. Columbus hopes we suck next season but I doubt they will gamble as a 2nd pick is as sure as it gets. Columbus wants to win now. The odds of our winning back to back lotteries isn't in their favor. IMHO. Gus and deHaan gone and maybe Strome if deemed too slow for the new system. T&K will be moved if they request it and only if it is good for the team. the #2 pick this year < pick in the back half of the top ten next year according to most. however, T was saying trade them back that #2 this year for the rights to our first rounder next year plus a guy like Sillinger and my point was there is no reason for the jackets to do that. |
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Post by shooter61 on May 2, 2022 18:51:19 GMT -6
you guys are talking about a pic we don't have yet ? I would give them; #2 over all, and Gus, even Kubes . Columbus I wish ! would jump on it ,no way we are this bad again "we get a goalie yet", the more I think about it , If it was me knowing what the GMs know, no way would I talk this years #2 with out a sweetener, look at the top 5 next year , some real major players there,
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Post by BigT on May 2, 2022 19:55:28 GMT -6
Columbus hopes we suck next season but I doubt they will gamble as a 2nd pick is as sure as it gets. Columbus wants to win now. The odds of our winning back to back lotteries isn't in their favor. IMHO. Gus and deHaan gone and maybe Strome if deemed too slow for the new system. T&K will be moved if they request it and only if it is good for the team. the #2 pick this year < pick in the back half of the top ten next year according to most. however, T was saying trade them back that #2 this year for the rights to our first rounder next year plus a guy like Sillinger and my point was there is no reason for the jackets to do that. We have to realist the business side of things. The BJs could sell a lot more tickets and get a lot more fan fare with a bright brand new shiny second over all pick. If I’m Columbus I’m making that call. Hawks could easily lose the lotto next year and pick 6-10. I think the 2nd pick this year will help them much more. I always look at trades from the other teams perspective. If I’m Columbus. I want something to sell my fans. Plus something to build around. That Cooley kid is looking pretty damn good too. He may be the 2nd overall. I hope KD thinks outside the box here. Many options. I also hope he cleans house!!! |
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Post by vadarx on May 2, 2022 22:08:20 GMT -6
the #2 pick this year < pick in the back half of the top ten next year according to most. however, T was saying trade them back that #2 this year for the rights to our first rounder next year plus a guy like Sillinger and my point was there is no reason for the jackets to do that. We have to realist the business side of things. The BJs could sell a lot more tickets and get a lot more fan fare with a bright brand new shiny second over all pick. If I’m Columbus I’m making that call. Hawks could easily lose the lotto next year and pick 6-10. I think the 2nd pick this year will help them much more. I always look at trades from the other teams perspective. If I’m Columbus. I want something to sell my fans. Plus something to build around. That Cooley kid is looking pretty damn good too. He may be the 2nd overall. I hope KD thinks outside the box here. Many options. I also hope he cleans house!!! they are already selling their fans Sillinger and Laine and Werenski and Boqvist and Jenner and... point is, they don't need to sweeten the deal to get the 'hawks to let them have the #2 pick when they can sell the fans a shot at a potential franchise player in next year's draft should the 'hawks decide to keep this year's. jackets fans are already hoping we win the lotto this year for that chance next season... |
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Post by hsbob on May 3, 2022 9:15:38 GMT -6
If D-Cat is for sure being re-signed and if 88 ain't going nowhere and JT has a full NMC,who's KD showin' the door to before September unless it's their idea? It sounds like it's JT and it also sounds like JT might be receptive. Was there a KD interview I missed lately,who was he showin' the door too and who's stayin' on our terms.....Connnolly? Tyler Johnson? Murphy 4.4MX4?LOL! I doubt cup winning vets will want to stay where they're not wanted. If Strome goes too as been suggested who TF centers this team next year but then again,no centers is the fastest way to 20-25 wins. if he can move Johnson and Murphy, I guarantee you he will. I doubt he will find too many takers, though. Can't afford anymore sweetener because DUMBASS emptied the sugar bowl real good. Gotta eat Johnson's 5MX2 regardless of his play and injuries,can always retain $$$ but 'The Family' hates that......Mattaa was the first multi-year retainment in some time. They don't mind retaining at the TDL like Lehner and MAF to get a pick as long as it doesn't carry over. Murphy's 4.4MX4 kicks in next year @29 with a M-NTC(of course) and stayin' healthy is a bigger issue than ever for him......good luck with that one! McCabe's deal is better and that's 1M or so too much too but I like his snarl. |
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Post by vadarx on May 3, 2022 16:46:55 GMT -6
if he can move Johnson and Murphy, I guarantee you he will. I doubt he will find too many takers, though. Can't afford anymore sweetener because DUMBASS emptied the sugar bowl real good. Gotta eat Johnson's 5MX2 regardless of his play and injuries,can always retain $$$ but 'The Family' hates that......Mattaa was the first multi-year retainment in some time. They don't mind retaining at the TDL like Lehner and MAF to get a pick as long as it doesn't carry over. Murphy's 4.4MX4 kicks in next year @29 with a M-NTC(of course) and stayin' healthy is a bigger issue than ever for him......good luck with that one! McCabe's deal is better and that's 1M or so too much too but I like his snarl. I highly doubt Murphy is going anywhere. after this season, we will have no retained salary on the books. a two time Cup winner at 2.5 a season might be appealing to an aspiring contender. I would hope that KD is working that angle, although I can see it happening at the deadline as a more likely scenario. |
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Post by mvr on May 3, 2022 17:49:39 GMT -6
Re Tyler Johnson. Trade him ASAP and eat half for a late pick. Then recall a kid from Rockford such as Hardman (at less than $1M to take his roster space.
The team saves about $1.5M in cap space and salary. Win/Win.
Is there a market for Johnson at $2.5 M? I believe so, but perhaps not until midway through next season.
The general manager needs to save the other two retentions for Kane and Toews at next year's deadline (just in case).
Connelly gets a buyout. McCabe and Murphy are kept or traded at full price. The big issue is Debrincat. At half price, his value is higher.
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Post by vadarx on May 3, 2022 18:21:43 GMT -6
how many salaries can we retain? I thought the limit was two. they can trade Johnson with salary retention and still have one to trade...
no need to save a spot for 88. he ain't going nowhere...
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Post by mvr on May 4, 2022 9:41:56 GMT -6
The limit is three.
Until Kane, Debrincat and Toews re-sign or are moved, I save all three spots for these players. They are the legit trade chips next March.
Johnson would be priority number four or five, depending on the team's intentions for Murphy and McCabe.
I believe the others don't make enough to justify needing to retain.
It might be best to buyout Johnson to maintain flexibility for next March.
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Post by BigT on May 4, 2022 13:23:17 GMT -6
I will say this. If 19/88/12 and 4 are all here long term. There is no rebuild. Just a retool. It’ll take the Hawks 4-5 years to hit rock bottom, then a 5-6 year rebuild. So you’re looking at a decade or more to keep guys around that will have zero impact on the next era.
By all interviews I’ve seen with KD. I don’t think he keeps any of them past next deadline. I believe he’s hellbent on doing a full rebuild. He knows this will take 5-6 years. It’ll go quicker if they get to trade all 4 of those guys.
I still believe he will trade them all. It may be just at the deadline. 19/88 could return. And probably will. I believe they’ll agree to that. However, if the Hawks get Bedard, Kane gets a shot to play with the young phenom. And next year the Hawks could also have someone like Lafreniere and a 1st. Plus someone like Byram and a 1st for Toews. And a haul for Dcat. I believe the Hawks could get still get a first for Jones. Not a high pick, but a 1st. They could end up with 6 first rounders next year and two in 2024. Having 8 first rounders in a 2 year period is a big deal. Plus getting 2-3 really good young players. The rebuild is probably 3/4 done in a couple years.
I know this looks good on paper. But realistically, they can do this. KD already got a haul for Hagel, I believe he’ll be better at trades than the previous guy. This would be the way to go. I think KD knows this. He didn’t trade Hagel just to trade him. The same will go for these guys. He’s been working the phones since he took over. He’s more than likely got a lot on the back burner. I don’t think he wants Scambo’s roster. He wants his own. So guys will be dealt that are popular here. We’ll see, as I’ve said before the business side is something to think about too. It’s never our money on the line. But I still feel they’ll do things the right way!!!
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Post by vadarx on May 4, 2022 15:44:25 GMT -6
The limit is three. Until Kane, Debrincat and Toews re-sign or are moved, I save all three spots for these players. They are the legit trade chips next March. Johnson would be priority number four or five, depending on the team's intentions for Murphy and McCabe. I believe the others don't make enough to justify needing to retain. It might be best to buyout Johnson to maintain flexibility for next March. if the limit is 3, then Johnson would be my #1 priority then, personally, to move at the next deadline. IF he can stay healthy up until then next season, I think he would someone teams that are chasing a Cup would want. no need at all to retain anything for D-Cat, he'll be in his final year at the deadline or re-signed and the accepting team will have to be willing to take on his whole deal going forward. the other two spots could be saved for Toews and Kane, if needed. |
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Post by BigT on May 4, 2022 16:07:51 GMT -6
The limit is three. Until Kane, Debrincat and Toews re-sign or are moved, I save all three spots for these players. They are the legit trade chips next March. Johnson would be priority number four or five, depending on the team's intentions for Murphy and McCabe. I believe the others don't make enough to justify needing to retain. It might be best to buyout Johnson to maintain flexibility for next March. if the limit is 3, then Johnson would be my #1 priority then, personally, to move at the next deadline. IF he can stay healthy up until then next season, I think he would someone teams that are chasing a Cup would want. no need at all to retain anything for D-Cat, he'll be in his final year at the deadline or re-signed and the accepting team will have to be willing to take on his whole deal going forward. the other two spots could be saved for Toews and Kane, if needed. Another way to do things is to keep Dcat. Trade Kane and Toews at the deadline. They leave for 3 months only to return. With trading those two, the Hawks would get 2 first rounders for them. Plus the Tampa pick, plus their own. Plus the other young assets they get. We’re looking at a much quicker rebuild. Then if the Hawks get Bedard. Now you’re cooking with mustard gas! If Dcat is kept. This should be the best scenario. If 19/88 buy into helping the rebuild for 3 months. It’ll be better for them in the long run. Re-sign them to 3 year 8 million per deals. Just to say thanks. And go from there. They could still be in Chicago when things turn for the better and possibly win!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 4, 2022 19:14:34 GMT -6
if the limit is 3, then Johnson would be my #1 priority then, personally, to move at the next deadline. IF he can stay healthy up until then next season, I think he would someone teams that are chasing a Cup would want. no need at all to retain anything for D-Cat, he'll be in his final year at the deadline or re-signed and the accepting team will have to be willing to take on his whole deal going forward. the other two spots could be saved for Toews and Kane, if needed. Another way to do things is to keep Dcat. Trade Kane and Toews at the deadline. They leave for 3 months only to return. With trading those two, the Hawks would get 2 first rounders for them. Plus the Tampa pick, plus their own. Plus the other young assets they get. We’re looking at a much quicker rebuild. Then if the Hawks get Bedard. Now you’re cooking with mustard gas! If Dcat is kept. This should be the best scenario. If 19/88 buy into helping the rebuild for 3 months. It’ll be better for them in the long run. Re-sign them to 3 year 8 million per deals. Just to say thanks. And go from there. They could still be in Chicago when things turn for the better and possibly win!!! I for one would just get the Bedard thing out of the conversation. Just go through the rebuild without him and if, and a big IF, they get the guy so much the better. |
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Post by BigT on May 8, 2022 15:06:51 GMT -6
Isn’t the lotto on Tuesday? This is the one time we can all hope to lose….. big time. It’d be nice to fall to 14th or whatever the Hawks can fall too. Then let the healing begin.
Also if Minny makes it to the Conference Finals, Hawks get a first.
Also if the Oilers meet them there, the Hawks get a 2nd I believe. So it would be great to see the Oilers vs The Wild. At least that can go right for the Hawks!!!
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Post by phill9 on May 8, 2022 15:27:43 GMT -6
Isn’t the lotto on Tuesday? This is the one time we can all hope to lose….. big time. It’d be nice to fall to 14th or whatever the Hawks can fall too. Then let the healing begin. Also if Minny makes it to the Conference Finals, Hawks get a first. Also if the Oilers meet them there, the Hawks get a 2nd I believe. So it would be great to see the Oilers vs The Wild. At least that can go right for the Hawks!!! Hawks get Minnesota 1st if MAF wins 4 games and Minnesota gets to conference finals. Hawks get Edmonton 2nd if Edmonton gets to Stanley Cup final. |
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Post by BigT on May 8, 2022 15:39:55 GMT -6
Isn’t the lotto on Tuesday? This is the one time we can all hope to lose….. big time. It’d be nice to fall to 14th or whatever the Hawks can fall too. Then let the healing begin. Also if Minny makes it to the Conference Finals, Hawks get a first. Also if the Oilers meet them there, the Hawks get a 2nd I believe. So it would be great to see the Oilers vs The Wild. At least that can go right for the Hawks!!! Hawks get Minnesota 1st if MAF wins 4 games and Minnesota gets to conference finals. Hawks get Edmonton 2nd if Edmonton gets to Stanley Cup final. Still not impossible. Both teams may have the easier route. Getting out of the first round is a big deal. Just ask the Leaves!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 10, 2022 7:17:20 GMT -6
Today's the day we'll find out if Columbus gets this years pick or next years.
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2022 10:38:21 GMT -6
If the Hawks get the first pick. You run with it obviously. But if the Hawks get even pick #2. I try from now till whenever the deadline is (I’d have to think at least 48 hours before the draft), to try and reach a deal with the BJs. There can be more moving parts. That’s ok. Maybe even a swap of the #2, Dach for Sillinger? Just spitballing here!!!
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Post by phill9 on May 10, 2022 15:47:51 GMT -6
ESPN televising the draft lottery starting at 6:30 EST for those looking where it's being aired
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2022 16:14:30 GMT -6
www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_oddsAccording to tankathon, the only positions the Hawks can get are 1,2, 6, 7, or 8th. Sucks that shithead gives up another top 10 pick. The others he wasted on guys his size which are the same as giving him away. So think about. For Jones. Is it worth it to give up Boqvist, Sillinger and now this years player? Let’s say it’s 6th. Could still be a decent player. That could have been 3 players to help lead the charge instead of 1 Jones that is 2/3 through his career!!!
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Post by phill9 on May 10, 2022 16:29:36 GMT -6
www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_oddsAccording to tankathon, the only positions the Hawks can get are 1,2, 6, 7, or 8th. Sucks that shithead gives up another top 10 pick. The others he wasted on guys his size which are the same as giving him away. So think about. For Jones. Is it worth it to give up Boqvist, Sillinger and now this years player? Let’s say it’s 6th. Could still be a decent player. That could have been 3 players to help lead the charge instead of 1 Jones that is 2/3 through his career!!! Maybe a miracle happens, the Hawks get 1st or 2nd this draft, next year they make the playoffs, and Columbus gets our 1st round pick that ends up 15th to 20th....yeah, I know but we can dream, can't we? |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2022 16:46:26 GMT -6
www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_oddsAccording to tankathon, the only positions the Hawks can get are 1,2, 6, 7, or 8th. Sucks that shithead gives up another top 10 pick. The others he wasted on guys his size which are the same as giving him away. So think about. For Jones. Is it worth it to give up Boqvist, Sillinger and now this years player? Let’s say it’s 6th. Could still be a decent player. That could have been 3 players to help lead the charge instead of 1 Jones that is 2/3 through his career!!! I believe I addressed Bowman at the beginning of this thread... what a fucking jackass. |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2022 16:46:39 GMT -6
fingers and toes crossed
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