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Post by phill9 on May 10, 2022 16:48:19 GMT -6
Did you mean fingers and Toews? |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2022 16:48:42 GMT -6
thank god
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Post by phill9 on May 10, 2022 16:48:52 GMT -6
So Columbus gets #6 pick from Bowman
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2022 16:50:11 GMT -6
Did you mean fingers and Toews? I've lost track how many times I had wangs fans call me that in detroit when I had my old black Toews sweater on there... |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2022 16:51:02 GMT -6
jfc, someone loves new jersey
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2022 16:57:38 GMT -6
My son seen it and forgot the pick went to CBJ. So I just caught when it was the top 3 and was pissed. Anyways, nice to see CBJ not get anything special. I guess 6 is good enough. But back to the plan!!!
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2022 16:59:26 GMT -6
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Post by phill9 on May 10, 2022 17:01:09 GMT -6
At 16, wonder how much he'll grow from his current 5'9" frame. Guessing he'll be close to,if not over 6' by the time he hits 18 |
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2022 17:10:09 GMT -6
At 16, wonder how much he'll grow from his current 5'9" frame. Guessing he'll be close to,if not over 6' by the time he hits 18 His numbers and skill set are ridiculous for 16. My best guess is he’ll be 5’11” like Crosby. Compare his stats to McDavids in Jrs. It’s unbelievable how good this kid is!!! www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=160293 |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 10, 2022 17:21:33 GMT -6
At 16, wonder how much he'll grow from his current 5'9" frame. Guessing he'll be close to,if not over 6' by the time he hits 18 Connor Bedard Center -- shoots R Born Jul 17 2005 -- North Vancouver, BC
Height 5.09 -- Weight 181 [175 cm/82 kg]<----------------------[16 yrs. ago]<-----------------------------------------------He was big baby at that size. |
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Post by hwkn on May 10, 2022 17:29:19 GMT -6
With our luck in the draft we won't be in position to draft him.
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2022 17:30:58 GMT -6
At 16, wonder how much he'll grow from his current 5'9" frame. Guessing he'll be close to,if not over 6' by the time he hits 18 Connor Bedard Center -- shoots R Born Jul 17 2005 -- North Vancouver, BC
Height 5.09 -- Weight 181 [175 cm/82 kg]<----------------------[16 yrs. ago]<-----------------------------------------------He was big baby at that size.😅 |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2022 17:33:33 GMT -6
With our luck in the draft we won't be in position to draft him. apparently it depends on how well nj does next year..... 3rd time since 2017 they've moved into the top 2... |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 10, 2022 17:34:00 GMT -6
At 16, wonder how much he'll grow from his current 5'9" frame. Guessing he'll be close to,if not over 6' by the time he hits 18 At 16 he weighs almost as much as Slavin and Entwistle. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 10, 2022 17:36:30 GMT -6
So Columbus gets #6 pick from Bowman Thanks Bowman 🖕 |
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2022 17:38:45 GMT -6
I’m not worried about his size as he’s 16 and always played against older bigger kids.
Another kid to watch out for is Michael Miss. he’s 15 and just got exceptional status and will be suiting up for the Saginaw Spirit next year. He was a stud in AAA at that age. He played a year up and had 43 points in 27 games. He’s not very big right now. He’s 5’10” 161. And he’s heading to the OHL. These smaller kids can really play. Especially Bedard. He’s 181 lbs. and can fly. He’s a generational talent. His numbers are better than McDavid at this point. I’ll post his YouTube hi lights from this year. Watch this kids skill level!!!
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2022 17:40:01 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on May 10, 2022 17:41:42 GMT -6
At 16, wonder how much he'll grow from his current 5'9" frame. Guessing he'll be close to,if not over 6' by the time he hits 18 At 16 he weighs almost as much as Slavin and Entwistle. He'll be 17 next month. Let's wait till at least before next draft and see. Maybe he'll have one of those Edzo growth spurts where he'll be 5'-12"...... |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 10, 2022 17:51:05 GMT -6
Now that we know the BJs are getting this years pick I'd push hard to get Toews and Kane to accept a trade this offseason and anyone else that wants to go and start the tank. |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2022 17:59:26 GMT -6
Now that we know the BJs are getting this years pick I'd push hard to get Toews and Kane to accept a trade this offseason and anyone else that wants to go and start the tank. I'm with ya on Kane. I'd prefer Toews stays unless he wants to chase another Cup, and I think he is more likely to be moved at the deadline, personally. sadly, I'm sure it will be the opposite, even though trading Kane is the best way to kickstart the rebuild, especially with no pick this year... |
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2022 18:08:27 GMT -6
Now that we know the BJs are getting this years pick I'd push hard to get Toews and Kane to accept a trade this offseason and anyone else that wants to go and start the tank. # FALLHARDFORBEDARD!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 10, 2022 19:11:16 GMT -6
Now that we know the BJs are getting this years pick I'd push hard to get Toews and Kane to accept a trade this offseason and anyone else that wants to go and start the tank. I'm with ya on Kane. I'd prefer Toews stays unless he wants to chase another Cup, and I think he is more likely to be moved at the deadline, personally. sadly, I'm sure it will be the opposite, even though trading Kane is the best way to kickstart the rebuild, especially with no pick this year... After thinking of many scenarios the best thing for a rebuild would be trading Debrincat to deepen the pipeline, we know Kane would probably accept a trade after that, and Toews would probably wanna leave as well. Try and move the Jones to Dallas and move Murphy, keep McCabe and Stillman and let the young guys fill the rest, Vlasic, Regula, Mitchell and whoever they get in the Debrincat, Kane and Toews trades. But everything depends on what Kane and Toews decide. |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2022 19:53:54 GMT -6
I'm with ya on Kane. I'd prefer Toews stays unless he wants to chase another Cup, and I think he is more likely to be moved at the deadline, personally. sadly, I'm sure it will be the opposite, even though trading Kane is the best way to kickstart the rebuild, especially with no pick this year... After thinking of many scenarios the best thing for a rebuild would be trading Debrincat to deepen the pipeline, we know Kane would probably accept a trade after that, and Toews would probably wanna leave as well. Try and move the Jones to Dallas and move Murphy, keep McCabe and Stillman and let the young guys fill the rest, Vlasic, Regula, Mitchell and whoever they get in the Debrincat, Kane and Toews trades. But everything depends on what Kane and Toews decide. I am 100% onboard with trying to get Dallas to take Seth Jones. that would immediately make me a KD fan. Dallas doesn't have a ton of cap space, so we would have to have a deal back. if we move Kane and Dcat wants out, cool. if we move Dcat and Kane wants out, cool. I would prefer to keep Dcat and move Kane, but what can ya do if they both want to play together or leave. tbh, I don't think Dcat would mind as much if Kane was traded vs Kane if Dcat is moved. I'm sure Toews might want out then, too, but we would have to see. he isn't going to get much back except maybe at the deadline so I see no reason to move him until then. hell, it would probably take that long to find a trade partner. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 10, 2022 20:16:02 GMT -6
After thinking of many scenarios the best thing for a rebuild would be trading Debrincat to deepen the pipeline, we know Kane would probably accept a trade after that, and Toews would probably wanna leave as well. Try and move the Jones to Dallas and move Murphy, keep McCabe and Stillman and let the young guys fill the rest, Vlasic, Regula, Mitchell and whoever they get in the Debrincat, Kane and Toews trades. But everything depends on what Kane and Toews decide. I am 100% onboard with trying to get Dallas to take Seth Jones. that would immediately make me a KD fan. Dallas doesn't have a ton of cap space, so we would have to have a deal back. if we move Kane and Dcat wants out, cool. if we move Dcat and Kane wants out, cool. I would prefer to keep Dcat and move Kane, but what can ya do if they both want to play too or leave. tbh, I don't think Dcat would mind as much if Kane was traded vs Kane if Dcat is moved. I'm sure Toews might want out then, too, but we would have to see. he isn't going to get much back except maybe at the deadline so I see no reason to move him until then. hell, it would probably take that long to find a trade partner. I'd gladly take a big contract back if it's a fraction of the length, I'm sure the Stars will want him. That'll be huge for KD and the fans liking him. I already like how he's getting the most from trades from picks to stipulations. I'd rather keep Debrincat as well but the organization needs depth and it might be the only way to get Kane to move on. And yeah it'd be best to trade Toews at the TDL but if he wants out KD should be able to find a taker. 1yr at half retained is a good deal for Toews. BigT mentioned trying to get Byram for him, might be an option if the Avs don't have a long run. |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2022 20:20:42 GMT -6
I am 100% onboard with trying to get Dallas to take Seth Jones. that would immediately make me a KD fan. Dallas doesn't have a ton of cap space, so we would have to have a deal back. if we move Kane and Dcat wants out, cool. if we move Dcat and Kane wants out, cool. I would prefer to keep Dcat and move Kane, but what can ya do if they both want to play too or leave. tbh, I don't think Dcat would mind as much if Kane was traded vs Kane if Dcat is moved. I'm sure Toews might want out then, too, but we would have to see. he isn't going to get much back except maybe at the deadline so I see no reason to move him until then. hell, it would probably take that long to find a trade partner. I'd gladly take a big contract back if it's a fraction of the length, I'm sure the Stars will want him. That'll be huge for KD and the fans liking him. I already like how he's getting the most from trades from picks to stipulations. I'd rather keep Debrincat as well but the organization needs depth and it might be the only way to get Kane to move on. And yeah it'd be best to trade Toews at the TDL but if he wants out KD should be able to find a taker. 1yr at half retained is a good deal for Toews. BigT mentioned trying to get Byram for him, might be an option if the Avs don't have a long run. I hear ya on having to move Dcat to move Kane. if that is the way it has to be, then so be it. I honestly don't agree that Toews at half price is something that will be terribly desirable for a whole season for most teams. that is a lot of money for a guy who is probably gonna be a 3rd line guy for most contenders. if they can convince him to wait until the deadline, that would be the optimal scenario. |
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Post by mvr on May 11, 2022 5:46:45 GMT -6
Both Toews and Kane peak in trade value at next year's deadline after most of their contracts have been paid out.
You want to maximize the number of potential bidders to drive up the price. I would wait - unless a team is willing to overpay.
It likely doesn't matter as much with Jones and Debrincat (and Strome). Acquiring any of these players means a longer term commitment from the buyer's perspective. This is the kind of trade to make in the off-season.
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Post by jacksalmon on May 11, 2022 7:13:25 GMT -6
Basically it’s probably best the Hawks don’t keep this years pick. If they get the 2nd overall let’s say. Logan Cooley looks like another good player. Despite who it is. I don’t believe the Hawks will get a franchise player after #1. And I don’t know if Wright will be a franchise player. He’s good. But how good is the question. If the Hawks get the 2nd overall. I’d say make some sort of deal with Columbus to take that pick, but add in someone like Sillinger to come back. Or even to get a decent pick back in the future. If that is the case. Then I don’t see the logic of keeping any of 19/88/12/4. I’d heavily look to to move them all. I don’t see any reason to keep guys that realistically are not part of the future!!! What future? On second thought, I guess there is still a future even if it is a lousy one. |
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Post by hsbob on May 11, 2022 7:55:49 GMT -6
Basically it’s probably best the Hawks don’t keep this years pick. If they get the 2nd overall let’s say. Logan Cooley looks like another good player. Despite who it is. I don’t believe the Hawks will get a franchise player after #1. And I don’t know if Wright will be a franchise player. He’s good. But how good is the question. If the Hawks get the 2nd overall. I’d say make some sort of deal with Columbus to take that pick, but add in someone like Sillinger to come back. Or even to get a decent pick back in the future. If that is the case. Then I don’t see the logic of keeping any of 19/88/12/4. I’d heavily look to to move them all. I don’t see any reason to keep guys that realistically are not part of the future!!! What future? On second thought, I guess there is still a future even if it is a lousy one. It sounds like scorched earth today jack and it probably should be for a real rebuild but we were keepin' everybody yesterday and bringing in Trotz to coach em so I'm as confounded as ever. It's either scorch the earth,collect picks,be bad for a few years and prey to God all the right decisions are made for those few years and that could shorten the rebuild. We're gonna see if 'The Family' has the stomach for this at all because it'll be ugly but ugly w/o any good plyers to watch and that stuff is in a Wirtz's DNA!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 11, 2022 8:24:55 GMT -6
Both Toews and Kane peak in trade value at next year's deadline after most of their contracts have been paid out. You want to maximize the number of potential bidders to drive up the price. I would wait - unless a team is willing to overpay. It likely doesn't matter as much with Jones and Debrincat (and Strome). Acquiring any of these players means a longer term commitment from the buyer's perspective. This is the kind of trade to make in the off-season. True but if they keep them till the trade deadline it'll mean they'll have more wins and less chance at Bedard. And Kane tied his career high in assists on a bad team, I'm sure if he's available this offseason there'll be many teams bidding for him. Toews not so much so maybe keep him till the TDL, but ultimately it's up to them. |
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Post by hsbob on May 11, 2022 8:26:06 GMT -6
I'd gladly take a big contract back if it's a fraction of the length, I'm sure the Stars will want him. That'll be huge for KD and the fans liking him. I already like how he's getting the most from trades from picks to stipulations. I'd rather keep Debrincat as well but the organization needs depth and it might be the only way to get Kane to move on. And yeah it'd be best to trade Toews at the TDL but if he wants out KD should be able to find a taker. 1yr at half retained is a good deal for Toews. BigT mentioned trying to get Byram for him, might be an option if the Avs don't have a long run. I hear ya on having to move Dcat to move Kane. if that is the way it has to be, then so be it. I honestly don't agree that Toews at half price is something that will be terribly desirable for a whole season for most teams. that is a lot of money for a guy who is probably gonna be a 3rd line guy for most contenders. if they can convince him to wait until the deadline, that would be the optimal scenario. I think all they'd have to do is ask Kane to waive(same for Toews) but forcing a decision by trading his admitted favorite linemate could be another way to go.......you might not like the decision though if the team 'plots' a move to force him out. He and Toews both can obviously nix any deal......offseason or TDL. I highly doubt either would go this route or stay where they're not wanted(and we don't know what Rocky wants yet) so I believe they'd play ball with KD who does seem like a straight shooter. Keeping these guys till the TDL is also a risk of it's own with obvious possibly rewards in player trade value but if K&T and D-Cat go out and have big years,the team could win more games than it needs to in the upcoming 'legendary' draft year. If a few kids like Dach step up and a vet GT plays decent....the team could be dangerously close to.500 and a #10 pick when a top three pick is a MUST next year. Just what do you figure JT's worth? He said he feels he has a lot of hockey left and some good 3LC's do make around 5M not that he's a 3LC if healthy with decent linemates. He might have needed a full season to get his game back and he did get the wingers not named Kane and DeBrincat all year. LA got a real good center on the open market for 5.5M but his career high in goals was 13 at that point and they still paid up for his D and FO's and we pay Johnson 5M for two more......what's he worth? |
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