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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 8:45:53 GMT -6
To qualify Strome, Davidson needs to offer a contract at $3 M plus. Is Strome worth that number? Probably yes.
In arbitration, however, he likely gets much more considering his scoring numbers. Is that possibility worth the risk of qualifying him?
I don't know. But I believe Hawk management is not interested in going down this road.
The issue here is that Strome's numbers might be inflated given his linemates. Without Kane and Debrincat, will he still produce enough to justify the cap hit and the roster spot?
There is a reason why more than one coach has benched him. He is an inconsistent and at time marginal defensive player who does not play a physical game and has trouble concentrating on the small details.
Nevertheless, I believe he has value at the right cap hit in the right situation. My hope is that the player is traded this summer, though I do not know if any team is interested. It would frustrate - though not surprise me - to see the player walk as a UFA (similar to Suter and Kampf - both of whom were also good players).
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2022 8:47:44 GMT -6
Regarding Strome - The player emerged as the first line centre largely by default. Dach was not ready. Borgstrom was a failed experiment. Tyler Johnson did not work out. Toews was needed in a checking role to stop the opponent's best players. There was nobody else. The Strome/Kane/Debrincat line was at best mediocre five on five. They allowed many more goals than they scored, and they were often hemmed in their own zone for extended periods, even when playing with the Hawks best defencemen. The reason to trade Strome this summer is because his numbers are likely to drop dramatically if not playing with Debrincat and Kane. I believe both will be gone by September. Congratulations! You're somehow convincing people the team's best by far line was it's worst and it's best by far players(two of em 24&25) gotta go. Strome,like every other top-six center does need talented linemates to produce offensively,they don't have to be Kane and Cat just talented. Guys like Carpenter or Borgstrom or Kurashev or Johnson(either one) or fill-in-the-blank just ain't top-six talented. I don't want to mis-quote you and be your straw-man again,so I'll ask you this in the form of a question........didn't you refer to last year's D-men as mostly adequate or just mis-slotted at worst when I pointed out their ineptitude as far as ANY line giving up goals and they all gave up goals? |
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 8:47:47 GMT -6
if you are advocating to include Strome in any trades, they'll have to re-sign him first or trade his rights before he becomes a RFA. being arbitration eligible, he probably costs us or another team at least as much as he made this past season (3 million). I don't see many teams wanting to pay him that much, tbh. he is most likely headed for free agency and we will get nada for him... You don't think 22/48 52%FO in 69 games as a 24yro center is worth 3.3M? What do you figure he's worth? He'll play next year as a 25yro center.....you don't think he had a breakthrough year? If he is willing to sign at that price without going to arbitration, I likely would keep him. |
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 9:01:47 GMT -6
Regarding Strome - The player emerged as the first line centre largely by default. Dach was not ready. Borgstrom was a failed experiment. Tyler Johnson did not work out. Toews was needed in a checking role to stop the opponent's best players. There was nobody else. The Strome/Kane/Debrincat line was at best mediocre five on five. They allowed many more goals than they scored, and they were often hemmed in their own zone for extended periods, even when playing with the Hawks best defencemen. The reason to trade Strome this summer is because his numbers are likely to drop dramatically if not playing with Debrincat and Kane. I believe both will be gone by September. Congratulations! You're somehow convincing people the team's best by far line was it's worst and it's best by far players(two of em 24&25) gotta go. Strome,like every other top-six center does need talented linemates to produce offensively,they don't have to be Kane and Cat just talented. Guys like Carpenter or Borgstrom or Kurashev or Johnson(either one) or fill-in-the-blank just ain't top-six talented. I don't want to mis-quote you and be your straw-man again,so I'll ask you this in the form of a question........didn't you refer to last year's D-men as mostly adequate or just mis-slotted at worst when I pointed out their ineptitude as far as ANY line giving up goals and they all gave up goals? That's accurate. My feeling is that team's porous defence had more to do with very poor defensive zone coverage by the forwards (and very weak goaltending after MA Fleury left). The Hawks defence last year had some good pieces. They needed one more minute munching defenceman for the first pairing (which unfortunately is exceptionally difficult to find). With an adequate partner for Seth Jones, the rest would fall into their proper slots. Murphy and McCabe are adequate - perhaps league average - as a second pair. The others - Stillman, Caleb Jones - even Dehaan and Gus - are okay in sheltered third pairing roles. Regarding the Strome line - the first line's primary job is to outscore the opponent in five on five play. If they don't accomplish that role, the team won't win. Lines two and four basically hold serve. The checking line attempts to minimize the damage from the opposing team's first line. Last year, Stome's line was outscored by the opponent's checking line in five on five play. That's not good. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2022 9:02:29 GMT -6
You don't think 22/48 52%FO in 69 games as a 24yro center is worth 3.3M? What do you figure he's worth? He'll play next year as a 25yro center.....you don't think he had a breakthrough year? If he is willing to sign at that price without going to arbitration, I likely would keep him. I don't see how the team doesn't QO just for his rights. If he and JT go,are Dach,T Johnson,Borgstrom and some cast-off centering the team next year? I'd tune in at times for the laughs alone! |
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 9:04:59 GMT -6
If he is willing to sign at that price without going to arbitration, I likely would keep him. I don't see how the ream doesn't QO just for his rights. If he and JT go,are Dach,T Johnson,Borgstrom and some cast-off centering the team next year? I'd tune in at times for the laughs alone! It will be ugly next year if management blows it up as Big T and I believe will happen. Likely some short term UFAs will be brought aboard along with one or more salary dumps. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2022 9:19:30 GMT -6
Congratulations! You're somehow convincing people the team's best by far line was it's worst and it's best by far players(two of em 24&25) gotta go. Strome,like every other top-six center does need talented linemates to produce offensively,they don't have to be Kane and Cat just talented. Guys like Carpenter or Borgstrom or Kurashev or Johnson(either one) or fill-in-the-blank just ain't top-six talented. I don't want to mis-quote you and be your straw-man again,so I'll ask you this in the form of a question........didn't you refer to last year's D-men as mostly adequate or just mis-slotted at worst when I pointed out their ineptitude as far as ANY line giving up goals and they all gave up goals? That's accurate. My feeling is that team's porous defence had more to do with very poor defensive zone coverage by the forwards (and very weak goaltending after MA Fleury left). The Hawks defence last year had some good pieces. They needed one more minute munching defenceman for the first pairing (which unfortunately is exceptionally difficult to find). With an adequate partner for Seth Jones, the rest would fall into their proper slots. Murphy and McCabe are adequate - perhaps league average - as a second pair. The others - Stillman, Caleb Jones - even Dehaan and Gus - are okay in sheltered third pairing roles. Regarding the Strome line - the first line's primary job is to outscore the opponent in five on five play. If they don't accomplish that role, the team won't win. Lines two and four basically hold serve. The checking line attempts to minimize the damage from the opposing team's first line. Last year, Stome's line was outscored by the opponent's checking line in five on five play. That's not good. Jerry Sienfeld was right.....there is a 'Bizaro world'. In a few years,S Jones' contract will be the worst in the league,he'll be 30,w/1,000 games played and due 9.5M with full NMC and bonuses that make a buyout useless at the half-way point of it! But it's okay cause he's a D-man......Seabs was a D-man too! deHAAN-job @4.4M wasn't slotted incorrectly........he was paid incorrectly as is Murphy and his new 4.4MX4 deal and McCabe would be a handy,tough bottom pair guy for 2.5M himself. You seem to have more of an affinity for Gus who makes NO OTHER roster but ours last year than you do elite players........'Bizaro world' I tell ya! Sillman's a tough kid who still needs more games he probably won't get,C Jones is a #7/fringe D-man at best and the two bigger kids looked okay late in the year but who knows. Do you believe S Jones fills ANY seats for ALL THAT MONEY? |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2022 9:20:58 GMT -6
I don't see how the ream doesn't QO just for his rights. If he and JT go,are Dach,T Johnson,Borgstrom and some cast-off centering the team next year? I'd tune in at times for the laughs alone! It will be ugly next year if management blows it up as Big T and I believe will happen. Likely some short term UFAs will be brought aboard along with one or more salary dumps. Let's hope it works better for us than it has for the Coyotes. We still don't know if the Family is on board for dumping all the draws and keeping one or two makes little sense once one or two go. |
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 9:26:58 GMT -6
That's accurate. My feeling is that team's porous defence had more to do with very poor defensive zone coverage by the forwards (and very weak goaltending after MA Fleury left). The Hawks defence last year had some good pieces. They needed one more minute munching defenceman for the first pairing (which unfortunately is exceptionally difficult to find). With an adequate partner for Seth Jones, the rest would fall into their proper slots. Murphy and McCabe are adequate - perhaps league average - as a second pair. The others - Stillman, Caleb Jones - even Dehaan and Gus - are okay in sheltered third pairing roles. Regarding the Strome line - the first line's primary job is to outscore the opponent in five on five play. If they don't accomplish that role, the team won't win. Lines two and four basically hold serve. The checking line attempts to minimize the damage from the opposing team's first line. Last year, Stome's line was outscored by the opponent's checking line in five on five play. That's not good. Jerry Sienfeld was right.....there is a 'Bizaro world'. In a few years,S Jones' contract will be the worst in the league,he'll be 30,w/1,000 games played and due 9.5M with full NMC and bonuses that make a buyout useless at the half-way point of it! But it's okay cause he's a D-man......Seabs was a D-man too! deHAAN-job @4.4M wasn't slotted incorrectly........he was paid incorrectly as is Murphy and his new 4.4MX4 deal and McCabe would be a handy,tough bottom pair guy for 2.5M himself. You seem to have more of an affinity for Gus who makes NO OTHER roster but ours last year than you do elite players........'Bizaro world' I tell ya! Sillman's a tough kid who still needs more games he probably won't get,C Jones is a #7/fringe D-man at best and the two bigger kids looked okay late in the year but who knows. I am not here to defend any of those contracts or Bowman's trades or signings. I do think Seth Jones is a high end first-pairing guy (and I believe so do you). Murphy and McCabe are second pairing guys on most rosters (and have value). Dehaan is an NHL player (but is exposed playing against the opponent's best players like he was for too many games last year). So too are the others (especially Stillman), but even Gus (if spotted correctly). |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2022 9:55:16 GMT -6
Jerry Sienfeld was right.....there is a 'Bizaro world'. In a few years,S Jones' contract will be the worst in the league,he'll be 30,w/1,000 games played and due 9.5M with full NMC and bonuses that make a buyout useless at the half-way point of it! But it's okay cause he's a D-man......Seabs was a D-man too! deHAAN-job @4.4M wasn't slotted incorrectly........he was paid incorrectly as is Murphy and his new 4.4MX4 deal and McCabe would be a handy,tough bottom pair guy for 2.5M himself. You seem to have more of an affinity for Gus who makes NO OTHER roster but ours last year than you do elite players........'Bizaro world' I tell ya! Sillman's a tough kid who still needs more games he probably won't get,C Jones is a #7/fringe D-man at best and the two bigger kids looked okay late in the year but who knows. I am not here to defend any of those contracts or Bowman's trades or signings. I do think Seth Jones is a high end first-pairing guy (and I believe so do you). Murphy and McCabe are second pairing guys on most rosters (and have value). Dehaan is an NHL player (but is exposed playing against the opponent's best players like he was for too many games last year). So too are the others (especially Stillman), but even Gus (if spotted correctly). Jones is a top pairing guy but there's a number of top pairing guys paid MUCH less,that'll be the game's worst contact in four years! We can go back n forth on the rest of the D-men,Murphy's unmovable @4.4M......he can't stay healthy and he doesn't score at all.....4.4M is a joke. We seem to view players through a different prism these days......the good ones gotta go and paying Johnson 5M for two more years is good and Connolly 3.5M bothers no one either. If this is the route the team is going,I won't miss following it one bit! |
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 10:02:56 GMT -6
All those contracts "bother" me. I have never attempted to defend any of them. Why are you bringing them up?
Bowman was a disaster.
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 10:07:03 GMT -6
The key moving forward is to not overpay for players.
Strome is in line for a contract and so is Debrincat. Most of the team's leverage is now gone. Management either overpays, or the players leave. Players and agents gain advantage as they approach UFA.
Smart investors know - buy low, sell high.
If you are not willing to sell when the time is right, you lose out.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2022 10:18:17 GMT -6
All those contracts "bother" me. I have never attempted to defend any of them. Why are you bringing them up? Bowman was a disaster. Why am I the only one who ever brings em up is a better question after hearing all the bitching about what the great cup winners made? Why is paying guys what their worth a worse idea than paying Johnson and Connally 8.5M? |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2022 10:22:55 GMT -6
The key moving forward is to not overpay for players. Strome is in line for a contract and so is Debrincat. Most of the team's leverage is now gone. Management either overpays, or the players leave. Players and agents gain advantage as they approach UFA. Smart investors know - buy low, sell high. If you are not willing to sell when the time is right, you lose out. These are the centers who'll make between 3-6M next year.......Strome doesn't belong looking at production? www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2023/caphit/all/center?stats-season=2022&limits=caphit-3000000-6000000Are you gonna get rid of every player about to become an UFA,most good teams extend their elite,young players BEFORE they become UFA's.........we'll dump ours it seems. I understand the team has NOTHING of value other than their FEW,great/good players to trade for assets that may or may not work out and I understand how desperately they need assets so I also understand trading them. I don't understand your need to de-value and diminish their abilities on the way out. Of course Kane makes D-Cat and Strome better but that was a 2-way street last year.......Kane had a handful of goals when he rejoined Cat and Strome last year around the half-way point. Pointing out the goals given up when our ONLY offensive line was out there while every line gave up a bunch with that back end is rich I tell ya........and a poor effort to diminish the team's best players. |
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 10:25:44 GMT -6
It is not a good idea to overpay for any player. That's the point.
Taking on the Connelly contract was a gamble on Borgstrom that did not work out. Is Stillman enough to justify that trade? I don't know. Borgstrom has another year to turn it around and become useful.
Adding Johnson and the 2nd for the Seabrook contract is certainly questionable. I think Bowman could have negotiated a better offer (especially considering what he gave Carolina to take Bickell).
I am not going to defend either move. I do think rebuilding teams can fast track their prospect pool by taking ugly short-term unwanted contracts. This is why I agree with Big T that the fastest route to success is to blow things up and start over, weaponizing the cap space to best advantage long term.
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 10:30:56 GMT -6
The key moving forward is to not overpay for players. Strome is in line for a contract and so is Debrincat. Most of the team's leverage is now gone. Management either overpays, or the players leave. Players and agents gain advantage as they approach UFA. Smart investors know - buy low, sell high. If you are not willing to sell when the time is right, you lose out. These are the centers who'll make between 3-6M next year.......Strome doesn't belong looking at production? www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2023/caphit/all/center?stats-season=2022&limits=caphit-3000000-6000000Are you gonna get rid of every player about to become an UFA,most good teams extend their elite,young players BEFORE they become UFA's.........we'll dump ours it seems. Until the team is on the verge of being competitive I do support getting "rid of every player about to become an UFA" -- "elite" or not. I question the idea that Dylan Strome is in any way "elite." Debrincat does have an "elite" goal scoring shot - no question. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2022 10:53:17 GMT -6
Until the team is on the verge of being competitive I do support getting "rid of every player about to become an UFA" -- "elite" or not. I question the idea that Dylan Strome is in any way "elite." Debrincat does have an "elite" goal scoring shot - no question. Okay,he's just a guy with an elite shot........the Hawks won't see another like him for a decade........remind me when they do......I'll remind you until then. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2022 11:07:11 GMT -6
It is not a good idea to overpay for any player. That's the point. Taking on the Connelly contract was a gamble on Borgstrom that did not work out. Is Stillman enough to justify that trade? I don't know. Borgstrom has another year to turn it around and become useful. Adding Johnson and the 2nd for the Seabrook contract is certainly questionable. I think Bowman could have negotiated a better offer (especially considering what he gave Carolina to take Bickell). I am not going to defend either move. I do think rebuilding teams can fast track their prospect pool by taking ugly short-term unwanted contracts. This is why I agree with Big T that the fastest route to success is to blow things up and start over, weaponizing the cap space to best advantage long term. Stillman's a tough kid who still needs games to develop but he was getting scratched late in the year instead and Carlsson played 40 games on a MUCH better blueline....that's a wash. Taking on Connolly's deal for a loser like Borgstrom(called that one out the next day!) was terrible........Borgstrom's only five months younger than Strome and couldn't carry his gym bag.....never will. You seem to favor players who aren't very good........you've spent more time defending Gus,Borgstrom and NOlander when he was here than the team's best players......you seem to favor players who aren't vey good for some reason. Would you like to see Gus retained? Answer honestly. As I continue to say,I see the need to trade the good/great players but not the need to convince people they ain't good/great when it's so obvious. |
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 11:49:00 GMT -6
I have never been a Gus promoter. Why make that accusation other than as yet another strawman?
But if I was a contender and needed a number seven or eight guy at minimum salary, he'd be an option. Gus is not my type of player, but there are worse out there. He makes a minimum wage salary. You get what you pay for.
Borgstrom = Give him another year and see what happens. there is no harm in it. He is here and signed for $1M. My hopes are not high for this player and never were. To suggest that I value this player would be another strawman.
Nylander = I never supported that trade. Did not like Nylander (not my type of player), but also do not think the Joker is that big of a loss (given the surplus at the time on the right side). Have made that point here perhaps 20 times now. When you again imply something similar a week from now, I will again have to correct.
As I have mentioned over and over again, I prefer Darryl Sutter type hockey - big physical players who play a grinding game at both ends. If I have a bias, it is the Bryan Bickell/Dustin Byfuglien types who tend to be undervalued for their actual contributions away from the scoresheet.
None of the players you continuously link to me remotely represent my preferences whatsoever. But I believe you know that.
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 12:25:43 GMT -6
Until the team is on the verge of being competitive I do support getting "rid of every player about to become an UFA" -- "elite" or not. I question the idea that Dylan Strome is in any way "elite." Debrincat does have an "elite" goal scoring shot - no question. Okay,he's just a guy with an elite shot........the Hawks won't see another like him for a decade........remind me when they do......I'll remind you until then. If he and Strome truly were "elite," the team would not have finished sixth from the bottom. But they did. And the Strome line (with Hall of Famer, Patrick Kane) had a negative +/-. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jun 20, 2022 13:23:49 GMT -6
Only 17 more days.....and then I can sleep.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 20, 2022 14:22:09 GMT -6
if you are advocating to include Strome in any trades, they'll have to re-sign him first or trade his rights before he becomes a RFA. being arbitration eligible, he probably costs us or another team at least as much as he made this past season (3 million). I don't see many teams wanting to pay him that much, tbh. he is most likely headed for free agency and we will get nada for him... You don't think 22/48 52%FO in 69 games as a 24yro center is worth 3.3M? What do you figure he's worth? He'll play next year as a 25yro center.....you don't think he had a breakthrough year? I would not be against signing him now that he will hopefully have a coach that will use him properly, but I won't lose any sleep if they let him go, either. I would say yes, he did have a breakout year last year. not necessarily that he had a great season and he will get better, but moreso that he showed he is willing to work for a spot now, something he hadn't shown at times previously. he still hasn't shown a ton when not playing with a 12 or 88, which also kinda hurts his value. none of that changes the fact that he is still slow and not real great in his own end. so, he can't really be a 3LC type (a shutdown guy) for 3 million/per. so, where does he slot? probably a cheap 2LC on a team that needs to take a chance that he does improve even more. the rags come to mind. regardless, it seems very apparent to me that KD and Co have about as much need for him as the previous coach did. seems very unlikely he is retained unless he wants to take less than he did this past year (doubtful). I think they let his rights expire and let him sign wherever he wants. they can still offer him a contract, but somehow I doubt he comes back to Chicago after all of this... IF he was willing to put in more work and accept a 3LC role, I would give him 3 per. otherwise, I would target him if I were a team that had a lot of other pieces, but not a lot of money. |
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Post by nighbor on Jun 20, 2022 16:19:40 GMT -6
So Dylan Strome sees a career season in every respect,most of it as a 24yro after keeping his head through unfair,extended benching's and injuries and the team doesn't QO for 3.3M for one year? Is that what it would take to retain his rights? Who plays center if JT goes? Who DOES the team pay? Brent 'buyout' Connolly 3.5M.......but Strome gets the heave-ho.....WTF is going on here? Tyler Johnson doesn't bother you guys as much as keeping Strome for a year or two? If Strome isn't benched again to start this year,which I still believe was the final straw for his teammates with the record to show for it and if we see the Kane,Cat,Strome line all year........we can all agree those career years(assits for Kane) would have been even better and so would their trade value.....brilliant! I guess the young center isn't a player I'm supposed to like if you believe the hype because he's not a Yank,the last GM acquired him,he was traded for a decent NCAA kid and he doesn't play a rugged style......but I like him a lot and I seem to be in the minority.......not a strange place for me. Hockey's a game of perseverance the longer I watch it and we saw quite a few mid 20 year olds break through this year and Strome was one of em. Does he need to play with great wingers like Kane and Cat to produce? It certainly helps but at least you KNOW he does produce with talented linemates and don't kid yourselves.......their names don't have to be Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat.......but like I said.....it certainly helps. I am not worried about Connolly because he only has one year left and an outside chance of being picked off waivers or traded. Worse case senario we are stuck with him for one season. Due to injury we did not see what TJ could do and players have successfully comeback from back surgery. He did play quality minutes with Tampa with 50+% at the dot in the past. W.C.Senario two years and done. I doubt Strome's family and agent will have him sign anything short of 5-6 year deal. You know strike while the fire is hot or take the meney and run. I have never told anyone who to like based on nationality yank or not and I am too old to start now. I |
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Post by steamer on Jun 20, 2022 18:05:33 GMT -6
Not sure Strome would fetch much on the open market although he’s a decent center when he gives his all. Maybe a 2 year deal at $4mm per? He’s going to balk on any incentives laden deal since he probably doesn’t trust how his coach(es) will use him. I can’t see locking him up on a longer deal unless there is no NMC. To hsbob’s point, he has enough hockey sense to deliver fairly well in the o-zone when he applies himself. If D-cat and Kane leave, not sure he will want to stay here anyway.
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Post by mvr on Jun 20, 2022 20:11:59 GMT -6
HNIC's Elliotte Friedman just reported that the Hurricanes are taking the unusual approach of allowing RFA, Ethan Bear, the opportunity to explore his options elsewhere before making a decision to return. They want the player back, but they don't want to qualify him at his current salary or face arbitration.
To my mind, this might be the best approach for Kubalik, Strome and Caleb Jones.
I believe Kubalik will be looking at a pay cut next year even as a UFA. Should he and his agent fully understand the market, they might be willing to re-sign in Chicago at a reasonable salary early. I would take him back for $2.5 M/year but no higher. Would this get it done? Perhaps.
Strome might get a small raise in UFA, but he also might not find many interested teams. Chicago has been shopping him for more than a year. If Strome's agent fully recognizes the limited market, he might be willing to negotiate a fair salary early and not force the Hawks to head towards arbitration. I would re-sign Strome at $3.2 M/year. This salary might be at the high end of the market.
Jones as an UFA might also find his options very limited. Is he worth $1 M? I don't think the Hawks should pay him more. Would any other team?
Carolina's approach with Bear makes a great deal of sense to me. Would Kampf and Suter have re-signed in Chicago if they fully understood their market values before heading to UFA? Neither broke the bank.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 20, 2022 20:31:48 GMT -6
HNIC's Elliotte Friedman just reported that the Hurricanes are taking the unusual approach of allowing RFA, Ethan Bear, the opportunity to explore his options elsewhere before making a decision to return. They want the player back, but they don't want to qualify him at his current salary or face arbitration. To my mind, this might be the best approach for Kubalik, Strome and Caleb Jones. I believe Kubalik will be looking at a pay cut next year even as a UFA. Should he and his agent fully understand the market, they might be willing to re-sign in Chicago at a reasonable salary early. I would take him back for $2.5 M/year but no higher. Would this get it done? Perhaps. Strome might get a small raise in UFA, but he also might not find many interested teams. Chicago has been shopping him for more than a year. If Strome's agent fully recognizes the limited market, he might be willing to negotiate a fair salary early and not force the Hawks to head towards arbitration. I would re-sign Strome at $3.2 M/year. This salary might be at the high end of the market. Jones as an UFA might also find his options very limited. Is he worth $1 M? I don't think the Hawks should pay him more. Would any other team? Carolina's approach with Bear makes a great deal of sense to me. Would Kampf and Suter have re-signed in Chicago if they fully understood their market values before heading to UFA? Neither broke the bank. But they both found roles on teams that played actual hockey. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 20, 2022 21:05:16 GMT -6
Hawks may need to reach the cap floor. So qualifying Kubalik isn’t awful. This is where I’d take a different approach with Dach. I’d sign him to a 6 year deal at 5 million per. I’m sure he’d take it. And once the rebuild is close to done in 4-5 years. He’s either good enough to keep or he could be dealt. I don’t think it’s hard to trade a 24-26 year old guy at 5 million who has size and skill. I think that’s the best approach to take. Even if it was 5 years, I’d do it!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 20, 2022 21:22:29 GMT -6
Hawks may need to reach the cap floor. So qualifying Kubalik isn’t awful. This is where I’d take a different approach with Dach. I’d sign him to a 6 year deal at 5 million per. I’m sure he’d take it. And once the rebuild is close to done in 4-5 years. He’s either good enough to keep or he could be dealt. I don’t think it’s hard to trade a 24-26 year old guy at 5 million who has size and skill. I think that’s the best approach to take. Even if it was 5 years, I’d do it!!! So far in 3 years he's shown size, skill is a different matter. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 20, 2022 21:45:40 GMT -6
Hawks may need to reach the cap floor. So qualifying Kubalik isn’t awful. This is where I’d take a different approach with Dach. I’d sign him to a 6 year deal at 5 million per. I’m sure he’d take it. And once the rebuild is close to done in 4-5 years. He’s either good enough to keep or he could be dealt. I don’t think it’s hard to trade a 24-26 year old guy at 5 million who has size and skill. I think that’s the best approach to take. Even if it was 5 years, I’d do it!!! So far in 3 years he's shown size, skill is a different matter. I’m happily projecting him as a 3rd liner now. Kinda like a better Brian Boyle I guess you could say. My hope is for him to get to 50% at the dot. Get 17-22 goals, and 20-25 assists. Be a 40-45 point guy. I’ll be happy!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 21, 2022 7:32:05 GMT -6
I have never been a Gus promoter. Why make that accusation other than as yet another strawman? But if I was a contender and needed a number seven or eight guy at minimum salary, he'd be an option. Gus is not my type of player, but there are worse out there. He makes a minimum wage salary. You get what you pay for. Borgstrom = Give him another year and see what happens. there is no harm in it. He is here and signed for $1M. My hopes are not high for this player and never were. To suggest that I value this player would be another strawman. Nylander = I never supported that trade. Did not like Nylander (not my type of player), but also do not think the Joker is that big of a loss (given the surplus at the time on the right side). Have made that point here perhaps 20 times now. When you again imply something similar a week from now, I will again have to correct. As I have mentioned over and over again, I prefer Darryl Sutter type hockey - big physical players who play a grinding game at both ends. If I have a bias, it is the Bryan Bickell/Dustin Byfuglien types who tend to be undervalued for their actual contributions away from the scoresheet. None of the players you continuously link to me remotely represent my preferences whatsoever. But I believe you know that. Then a chance to clarify. Didn't you suggest Gus as merely "mis-slotted" in another post or am I thinking of someone else? I didn't say you were the President of either three's fan club but you have without a doubt been less critical of and more supportive of all three at times. You slyly offer support for all three in this very post....... Gus sucks HUGE and everybody knows it,including every GM but our last one............he heads back home last summer w/o uncle DUMBASS and a kid or two sees 30 more badly needed games each. Borgstrom was brought in because the last GM liked him in college.....I liked mescaline in college....LOL! I didn't like the trade from day one because I followed the team and was aware of what wat headed here. He saw 50gms for Fla @21 with 8/18 40%FO to show for it and just 4 the next year after Q took over,he was just okay in the A and back in Europe after that. He'll be 25 before the next camp stats,he got another chance with another NHL team last year and he slept walked through most of it.......by all means....another year of that. It's just 1M.......pay a guy like Vinny that 1M,who'll show kids what effort means. Pay a guy who just can't play at the NHL level anymore 3.5M for two years for this big floater when guys like Shaw and Bolland were slaughtered for making the same. I like Stillman but let's see if his rugged style is appreciated enough to get the games he needs,he was gettin' scratched late in the year. You don't think a 22yro D-man playing 21 top pair minutes a night for a failed project is that big of a loss? You tell us how much more important D-men are than our 24yro 40 goal score winger but Joker for NOlander is no big loss..........explain that or will this be another statement you shrink from? |
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