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Post by 2old4this on Jun 30, 2022 15:00:38 GMT -6
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Post by 2old4this on Jun 30, 2022 15:14:06 GMT -6
Before people are traded, I want to see where they are. For instance, is JT going to continue to get better, or has he plateaued. Will Strome continue to play like he has recently (or even better), or will he revert to his up and down pattern. Has Kubilik regained his confidence and started potting a few more goals? And the giant question mark...Kirby Dach...will he show some improvement, especially on face-offs, or will his shoulder injury keep him down all season. Make sure that Kane and Toews are signed for an additional year, along with any other UFA or RFA. If we still want to trade away an improving player, at least we know what they are worth.
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Post by Nikos on Jun 30, 2022 16:04:16 GMT -6
#23 was impressive. What struck me is you can see the speed, the hands, the moves, etc. but his shot and release are unbelievable. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 30, 2022 17:36:11 GMT -6
Point has been Tampa's top line center the last couple years, I thought? during the regular season he is for sure. regardless, I am not sure either is a sure thing, but I'd take Cooley. he has more skill and "sense", imo. he is also faster and appears to play a two way game. And I thought Stamkos was their 1C. For the record. 21/22 regular season numbers, top 5: Stamkos averaged 13.2 faceoffs/game Cirelli 12.5 Bellemare 11.7 Point 10.9 Colton 7.4 They are all listed as centers on the league's stat page except bellemare who's listed as a left winger. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 30, 2022 22:00:13 GMT -6
#23 was impressive. What struck me is you can see the speed, the hands, the moves, etc. but his shot and release are unbelievable. I’ve been watching this kid for over 2 years. He’s the real deal. And let’s not forget he’s always been much younger than the competition. He’ll put up massive numbers this year in his draft year. I could see him getting 150 points this year. There has t been anyone like that in forever. He should be the reason for tanking!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2022 5:28:55 GMT -6
#23 was impressive. What struck me is you can see the speed, the hands, the moves, etc. but his shot and release are unbelievable. I’ve been watching this kid for over 2 years. He’s the real deal. And let’s not forget he’s always been much younger than the competition. He’ll put up massive numbers this year in his draft year. I could see him getting 150 points this year. There has t been anyone like that in forever. He should be the reason for tanking!!! Of course I'd love to have this kid on the Hawks but don't get your hopes up cause we know tanking doesn't guarantee the #1. And the title of this thread is the 2022 draft lol lets focus on next weekend and see if KD can get a first. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 1, 2022 6:19:44 GMT -6
I’ve been watching this kid for over 2 years. He’s the real deal. And let’s not forget he’s always been much younger than the competition. He’ll put up massive numbers this year in his draft year. I could see him getting 150 points this year. There has t been anyone like that in forever. He should be the reason for tanking!!! Of course I'd love to have this kid on the Hawks but don't get your hopes up cause we know tanking doesn't guarantee the #1. And the title of this thread is the 2022 draft lol lets focus on next weekend and see if KD can get a first. Maybe whoever has the #1 pick for 2023 the Hawks can trade both their number 1's for the first overall pick. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2022 6:30:53 GMT -6
I’ve been watching this kid for over 2 years. He’s the real deal. And let’s not forget he’s always been much younger than the competition. He’ll put up massive numbers this year in his draft year. I could see him getting 150 points this year. There has t been anyone like that in forever. He should be the reason for tanking!!! Of course I'd love to have this kid on the Hawks but don't get your hopes up cause we know tanking doesn't guarantee the #1. And the title of this thread is the 2022 draft lol lets focus on next weekend and see if KD can get a first. Sure it’s the 2022 draft thread. At least we’re talking draft in here and not about something way off topic. Mishkov and Fantilli are also generational kids too. There’s some solid kids coming out of that draft in the top 3. Fantilli is said to be almost as good as Bedard. So the focus should be to tank. Also. As of now, the Hawks don’t pick till #38. That’s a loooooong way down and almost impossible to know who’ll the pick. So let’s hope they do get another pick or 2 in this draft!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2022 7:50:04 GMT -6
Of course I'd love to have this kid on the Hawks but don't get your hopes up cause we know tanking doesn't guarantee the #1. And the title of this thread is the 2022 draft lol lets focus on next weekend and see if KD can get a first. Sure it’s the 2022 draft thread. At least we’re talking draft in here and not about something way off topic. Mishkov and Fantilli are also generational kids too. There’s some solid kids coming out of that draft in the top 3. Fantilli is said to be almost as good as Bedard. So the focus should be to tank. Also. As of now, the Hawks don’t pick till #38. That’s a loooooong way down and almost impossible to know who’ll the pick. So let’s hope they do get another pick or 2 in this draft!!! Agreed, at least it's not way off topic and it's draft talk. Of course getting the best odds at landing in the top 3 would be great for the rebuild. The top picks next season are much better but it sounds like this year might have some good picks in the later rounds. Without a first round pick, for now, they still have 5 picks in the next 2 rounds, those are important rounds for depth players and sometimes a star player. Hopefully KD can make some moves to get more picks to better the odds of landing a great player. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 1, 2022 8:15:17 GMT -6
Of course I'd love to have this kid on the Hawks but don't get your hopes up cause we know tanking doesn't guarantee the #1. And the title of this thread is the 2022 draft lol lets focus on next weekend and see if KD can get a first. Maybe whoever has the #1 pick for 2023 the Hawks can trade both their number 1's for the first overall pick. I don't believe there's anybody that stupid...but it doesn't hurt to dream! |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 1, 2022 10:04:34 GMT -6
D minus 6!
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 1, 2022 10:09:26 GMT -6
Maybe whoever has the #1 pick for 2023 the Hawks can trade both their number 1's for the first overall pick. I don't believe there's anybody that stupid...but it doesn't hurt to dream! Don't underestimate the stupidity of the human race. |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 1, 2022 10:15:51 GMT -6
I don't believe there's anybody that stupid...but it doesn't hurt to dream! Don't underestimate the stupidity of the human race. Surely our previous GM would have thrown it in to reacquire Gus.  |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 1, 2022 10:55:31 GMT -6
I don't believe there's anybody that stupid...but it doesn't hurt to dream! Don't underestimate the stupidity of the human race. Sound advice! |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 2, 2022 23:13:36 GMT -6
D minus 4
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 3, 2022 9:21:19 GMT -6
Might be longer if they don't get a first but day 2 has 8 picks, so far. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 4, 2022 6:56:11 GMT -6
D minus 3
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 5, 2022 5:22:58 GMT -6
D minus 2
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 5, 2022 6:49:30 GMT -6
Ok anybody got there eye on someone from #30 spot to the #50? Diamond in the rough?
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 5, 2022 15:40:37 GMT -6
Ok anybody got there eye on someone from #30 spot to the #50? Diamond in the rough? Ludwinski, Luneau, Beck, Del Bel Belluz. There's been a few name's brought up in this thread. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 5, 2022 15:47:08 GMT -6
Ok anybody got there eye on someone from #30 spot to the #50? Diamond in the rough? Ludwinski, Luneau, Beck, Del Bel Belluz. There's been a few name's brought up in this thread. Personally I'd like to get the dman Luneau, good size, skating, PP QB, and he's known for laying out some big hits. But the other 3 are intriguing centers. It'll be an interesting day 2. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 5, 2022 23:55:36 GMT -6
D minus 1. Nobody knows who Montreal is going to pick....Wright or Slavkovsky. New Jersy at #2, wants Slavkovsky, If Montreal takes Slavkovsky, then NJ may have a deal in place with the Blackhawks: a package including their second overall and other goodies for Debrincat. This trade would virtually guarantee that the Hawks will remain bottom feeders for the next few years. With much luck, they will get Connor Bedard. A 17.5% shot. There are a lot of good picks in the 2023 draft. Pray for rain!
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Post by BigT on Jul 6, 2022 6:16:37 GMT -6
D minus 1. Nobody knows who Montreal is going to pick....Wright or Slavkovsky. New Jersy at #2, wants Slavkovsky, If Montreal takes Slavkovsky, then NJ may have a deal in place with the Blackhawks: a package including their second overall and other goodies for Debrincat. This trade would virtually guarantee that the Hawks will remain bottom feeders for the next few years. With much luck, they will get Connor Bedard. A 17.5% shot. There are a lot of good picks in the 2023 draft. Pray for rain! One thing to keep in mind. While it’s only an 18% chance at the 1st pick. It’s much much less for the other teams. And the Hawks can only fall to #3 at worst. It used to be the #1 could fall as far down as they may. But now there’s rules that the number one can only drop 2 spots. So the Hawks would be guaranteed a top 3 pick which is exactly what the team needs!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 6, 2022 7:46:52 GMT -6
D minus 1. Nobody knows who Montreal is going to pick....Wright or Slavkovsky. New Jersy at #2, wants Slavkovsky, If Montreal takes Slavkovsky, then NJ may have a deal in place with the Blackhawks: a package including their second overall and other goodies for Debrincat. This trade would virtually guarantee that the Hawks will remain bottom feeders for the next few years. With much luck, they will get Connor Bedard. A 17.5% shot. There are a lot of good picks in the 2023 draft. Pray for rain! One thing to keep in mind. While it’s only an 18% chance at the 1st pick. It’s much much less for the other teams. And the Hawks can only fall to #3 at worst. It used to be the #1 could fall as far down as they may. But now there’s rules that the number one can only drop 2 spots. So the Hawks would be guaranteed a top 3 pick which is exactly what the team needs!!! Here's hoping, if we do get it, it's more Toews/Savard and less Barker/Dach. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 6, 2022 7:53:49 GMT -6
One thing to keep in mind. While it’s only an 18% chance at the 1st pick. It’s much much less for the other teams. And the Hawks can only fall to #3 at worst. It used to be the #1 could fall as far down as they may. But now there’s rules that the number one can only drop 2 spots. So the Hawks would be guaranteed a top 3 pick which is exactly what the team needs!!! Here's hoping, if we do get it, it's more Toews/Savard and less Barker/Dach. Yeah all I keep thinking is McDavid was the can't miss of 2015 and he is great but it took 7 years for the Oil to make any noise in the NHL. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 6, 2022 8:35:53 GMT -6
Here's hoping, if we do get it, it's more Toews/Savard and less Barker/Dach. Yeah all I keep thinking is McDavid was the can't miss of 2015 and he is great but it took 7 years for the Oil to make any noise in the NHL. I'm okay with that. It took 7 years from Keith's draft to the WCF, and 8 to a cup. It takes much, much more than a single superstar to win anything in the NHL; if all it took was a superstar Washington would have had more cups. My point was that if we end up picking top-3 again, the pick needs to be more of the former and less of the latter. This time the brass really needs to have the idea that whoever they get has to be as low of a risk as possible, but with the highest yield for that low risk. It can't be a project and they certainly shouldn't exchange low risk for ready now. Building a team is the long game. If we could suffer Pavel Vorobiev and Lasse Kukkonen, we can suffer a few years for the next gen to be acquired and developed. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 6, 2022 9:29:40 GMT -6
Yeah all I keep thinking is McDavid was the can't miss of 2015 and he is great but it took 7 years for the Oil to make any noise in the NHL. I'm okay with that. It took 7 years from Keith's draft to the WCF, and 8 to a cup. It takes much, much more than a single superstar to win anything in the NHL; if all it took was a superstar Washington would have had more cups. My point was that if we end up picking top-3 again, the pick needs to be more of the former and less of the latter. This time the brass really needs to have the idea that whoever they get has to be as low of a risk as possible, but with the highest yield for that low risk. It can't be a project and they certainly shouldn't exchange low risk for ready now. Building a team is the long game. If we could suffer Pavel Vorobiev and Lasse Kukkonen, we can suffer a few years for the next gen to be acquired and developed.  Suffering only a "few years for the next gen to be acquired and developed"? Make it a decade, or more. Remember, the Hawks have not even started rebuilding. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 6, 2022 10:47:15 GMT -6
We were able to score Debrincat because lots of teams passed on him, believing him to be height-challenged. Shorter players are always undervalued, so it's a good way to increase our yield from the draft.
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 6, 2022 11:02:58 GMT -6
I'm okay with that. It took 7 years from Keith's draft to the WCF, and 8 to a cup. It takes much, much more than a single superstar to win anything in the NHL; if all it took was a superstar Washington would have had more cups. My point was that if we end up picking top-3 again, the pick needs to be more of the former and less of the latter. This time the brass really needs to have the idea that whoever they get has to be as low of a risk as possible, but with the highest yield for that low risk. It can't be a project and they certainly shouldn't exchange low risk for ready now. Building a team is the long game. If we could suffer Pavel Vorobiev and Lasse Kukkonen, we can suffer a few years for the next gen to be acquired and developed. Suffering only a "few years for the next gen to be acquired and developed"? Make it a decade, or more. Remember, the Hawks have not even started rebuilding. 7-10 years...depending on when we get the 1st actual core piece, some good luck, and depending on whether or not KD's regime is lobotomized or not. That's what our last build took and about the same timeline Colorado had. Decade is probably median time. more if we're unlucky or the regime sucks. 7 with a lot of luck. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 6, 2022 15:08:21 GMT -6
I'm okay with that. It took 7 years from Keith's draft to the WCF, and 8 to a cup. It takes much, much more than a single superstar to win anything in the NHL; if all it took was a superstar Washington would have had more cups. My point was that if we end up picking top-3 again, the pick needs to be more of the former and less of the latter. This time the brass really needs to have the idea that whoever they get has to be as low of a risk as possible, but with the highest yield for that low risk. It can't be a project and they certainly shouldn't exchange low risk for ready now. Building a team is the long game. If we could suffer Pavel Vorobiev and Lasse Kukkonen, we can suffer a few years for the next gen to be acquired and developed. Suffering only a "few years for the next gen to be acquired and developed"? Make it a decade, or more. Remember, the Hawks have not even started rebuilding. Agree with you here, next possible cup is probably around the 30s Unless of course if Dach is the next Toews or Mitchell is the next Keith |
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