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Post by phill9 on Oct 17, 2022 17:30:58 GMT -6
Panthers playing a man short this evening due to salary cap constraints. Montour ruled out due to upper body injury.
This is where Zito didn't manage the cap well at all. Obviously Yandle retiring hurt their cap situation, but he vastly overspent and doesn't even have Duclairs $3 million on the books right now while he's on ltir.
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Post by phill9 on Oct 17, 2022 19:06:04 GMT -6
And now Ekblad doesn't finish 2nd and not on bench for 3rd. Panthers playing with 4 defensemen.
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Post by BigT on Oct 18, 2022 6:45:56 GMT -6
I think that team has been depleted of all assets and cap space. Zito looking real dumb at the moment. No picks to trade away. And the team isn’t as good as it was. He gave up a lot for Tkachuk. Way too much. They won’t have much in the farm, and will have to turn there soon. All of their secondary scoring will either leave free agents or be traded for shit returns. Hopefully the cap rises quickly for them to get out of this, but it doesn’t seem like it’ll be quick enough for them!!!
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Post by Nikos on Oct 19, 2022 10:14:53 GMT -6
And now Ekblad doesn't finish 2nd and not on bench for 3rd. Panthers playing with 4 defensemen. Ekblad placed on long term injured reserve with LBI. No report on how long he will be out. |
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Post by phill9 on Oct 19, 2022 10:50:54 GMT -6
And now Ekblad doesn't finish 2nd and not on bench for 3rd. Panthers playing with 4 defensemen. Ekblad placed on long term injured reserve with LBI. No report on how long he will be out. Report I'm reading on the Panthers website is minimum of 10 games and 24 days. And with no Montour again, the defense for tonights game vs Philadelphia is:
Forsling - Gudas Staal - Kiersted Mahura - Carlsson
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 19, 2022 15:33:28 GMT -6
Ekblad placed on long term injured reserve with LBI. No report on how long he will be out. Report I'm reading on the Panthers website is minimum of 10 games and 24 days. And with no Montour again, the defense for tonights game vs Philadelphia is:
Forsling - Gudas Staal - Kiersted Mahura - Carlsson
They could of had Gustafsson if they played their cards right. |
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Post by phill9 on Oct 19, 2022 17:42:31 GMT -6
Report I'm reading on the Panthers website is minimum of 10 games and 24 days. And with no Montour again, the defense for tonights game vs Philadelphia is:
Forsling - Gudas Staal - Kiersted Mahura - Carlsson
They could of had Gustafsson if they played their cards right. Actually they did play their cards right....they let him go to Washington 😆 |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 19, 2022 21:01:30 GMT -6
And now Ekblad doesn't finish 2nd and not on bench for 3rd. Panthers playing with 4 defensemen. Ekblad placed on long term injured reserve with LBI. No report on how long he will be out. That's a big loss, maybe they'll be interested in Seth Jones. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 19, 2022 21:12:42 GMT -6
Ekblad placed on long term injured reserve with LBI. No report on how long he will be out. That's a big loss, maybe they'll be interested in Seth Jones. I'm sure they would be. especially if we took about 4 contracts back for him... |
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Post by phill9 on Oct 20, 2022 11:19:44 GMT -6
Ekblad placed on long term injured reserve with LBI. No report on how long he will be out. That's a big loss, maybe they'll be interested in Seth Jones. Florida is in cap hell. The only way they take Jones is if the Hawks were to take Bobrovsky and his $10 million per contract. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2022 12:27:54 GMT -6
That's a big loss, maybe they'll be interested in Seth Jones. Florida is in cap hell. The only way they take Jones is if the Hawks were to take Bobrovsky and his $10 million per contract. yep, first thing I thought of as well. we need first rounders before 2026, though, and they'd have to give us at least one first to take that anchor back... |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 20, 2022 12:56:43 GMT -6
That's a big loss, maybe they'll be interested in Seth Jones. Florida is in cap hell. The only way they take Jones is if the Hawks were to take Bobrovsky and his $10 million per contract. I don't like the idea of having a 10mill goalie but he has 3yrs after this season, better than 7yrs like Seth's contract. |
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Post by phill9 on Oct 20, 2022 13:44:13 GMT -6
Florida is in cap hell. The only way they take Jones is if the Hawks were to take Bobrovsky and his $10 million per contract. yep, first thing I thought of as well. we need first rounders before 2026, though, and they'd have to give us at least one first to take that anchor back... And they have no 1st's for at least the next 3 drafts. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2022 14:26:33 GMT -6
yep, first thing I thought of as well. we need first rounders before 2026, though, and they'd have to give us at least one first to take that anchor back... And they have no 1st's for at least the next 3 drafts. aye, that's what I was getting at. we would have to settle for a first like 4 years from now, which I suppose could be a good thing provided the cats fell off cliff in a couple seasons... |
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Post by Nikos on Oct 20, 2022 15:08:57 GMT -6
I think the prudent move is more like the trade for Dickinson, not a big fan of taking on large contracts even for three years. I predict Seth Jones will not be on this team when hopefully they are relevant again. He will not finish the 8 years as a Hawk.
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2022 16:48:04 GMT -6
I think the prudent move is more like the trade for Dickinson, not a big fan of taking on large contracts even for three years. I predict Seth Jones will not be on this team when hopefully they are relevant again. He will not finish the 8 years as a Hawk. plus it would only save Florida a half a million a year, so... |
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Post by 2old4this on Oct 29, 2022 20:58:27 GMT -6
I think the prudent move is more like the trade for Dickinson, not a big fan of taking on large contracts even for three years. I predict Seth Jones will not be on this team when hopefully they are relevant again. He will not finish the 8 years as a Hawk. What do you think would be a fair contract for Jones' services as a #2 D-man? IOW, say we acquired him for 7 mil/year. Do you think that would be a decent deal for us? I'm trying to understand why it seems people want to get rid of his contract well beyond the point of fiscal sensibility. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 30, 2022 17:16:12 GMT -6
What do you think would be a fair contract for Jones' services as a #2 D-man? IOW, say we acquired him for 7 mil/year. Do you think that would be a decent deal for us? I'm trying to understand why it seems people want to get rid of his contract well beyond the point of fiscal sensibility. tbh, I think (for me, anyway) part of my desire to get rid of him stems from my continued anger over the stupid trade (and subsequently even more stupid contract) that brought him here. his contract is just cap space being taken up that could used to take on other deals and get more picks for doing so. is he an ok player? yep. is he a #1 dman? nope, and thus didn't deserve that contract. are any of these really great reasons? probably not, but it is how I feel. I'd rather have the cap space. |
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Post by Nikos on Oct 31, 2022 6:23:45 GMT -6
What do you think would be a fair contract for Jones' services as a #2 D-man? IOW, say we acquired him for 7 mil/year. Do you think that would be a decent deal for us? I'm trying to understand why it seems people want to get rid of his contract well beyond the point of fiscal sensibility. tbh, I think (for me, anyway) part of my desire to get rid of him stems from my continued anger over the stupid trade (and subsequently even more stupid contract) that brought him here. his contract is just cap space being taken up that could used to take on other deals and get more picks for doing so. is he an ok player? yep. is he a #1 dman? nope, and thus didn't deserve that contract. are any of these really great reasons? probably not, but it is how I feel. I'd rather have the cap space. Agree he is not a #1 dmen, unfortunately he is being paid like one. Sure he plays the minutes, just does not impact the game like other #1 dmen in the league and I am not talking about Makar, Hedman, Josi, Fox, those are on another level. Maybe a little unfair as those 4 in particular play on really good teams, but they are the reason they are good teams. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 31, 2022 10:54:37 GMT -6
tbh, I think (for me, anyway) part of my desire to get rid of him stems from my continued anger over the stupid trade (and subsequently even more stupid contract) that brought him here. his contract is just cap space being taken up that could used to take on other deals and get more picks for doing so. is he an ok player? yep. is he a #1 dman? nope, and thus didn't deserve that contract. are any of these really great reasons? probably not, but it is how I feel. I'd rather have the cap space. Agree he is not a #1 dmen, unfortunately he is being paid like one. Sure he plays the minutes, just does not impact the game like other #1 dmen in the league and I am not talking about Makar, Hedman, Josi, Fox, those are on another level. Maybe a little unfair as those 4 in particular play on really good teams, but they are the reason they are good teams. It depends on what we consider a #1 D-man,every team has their own #1 D-man I guess,the question is.......how many teams would consider Seth Jones theirs'? I know his offensive production is down this year but he had 50+ points last year and still plays a #1's minutes,so I'd say quite a few teams would consider him their #1 too. Should that make him the 4th highest paid D-man in the league? HELL NO and the assets given away for a player due for UFA status the following summer with ZERO interest of re-signing in Clmbs really hurt! Traded the #12 and #44 for the #31 in the '21' draft and DeBrincat to get a #7 in '22' because our #6 was also included.....Boqvist doesn't look like a big loss at this point but who knows. |
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Post by 2old4this on Oct 31, 2022 16:05:09 GMT -6
Agree he is not a #1 dmen, unfortunately he is being paid like one. Sure he plays the minutes, just does not impact the game like other #1 dmen in the league and I am not talking about Makar, Hedman, Josi, Fox, those are on another level. Maybe a little unfair as those 4 in particular play on really good teams, but they are the reason they are good teams. It depends on what we consider a #1 D-man,every team has their own #1 D-man I guess,the question is.......how many teams would consider Seth Jones theirs'? I know his offensive production is down this year but he had 50+ points last year and still plays a #1's minutes,so I'd say quite a few teams would consider him their #1 too. Should that make him the 4th highest paid D-man in the league? HELL NO and the assets given away for a player due for UFA status the following summer with ZERO interest of re-signing in Clmbs really hurt! Traded the #12 and #44 for the #31 in the '21' draft and DeBrincat to get a #7 in '22' because our #6 was also included.....Boqvist doesn't look like a big loss at this point but who knows. IN my opinion, Seth Jones is a #2 d-man. A #1 should be responsible for defending his own net first. Jones doesn't do that. I believe that Korchinski may end up as a #1. |
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Post by Nikos on Oct 31, 2022 19:29:37 GMT -6
Agree he is not a #1 dmen, unfortunately he is being paid like one. Sure he plays the minutes, just does not impact the game like other #1 dmen in the league and I am not talking about Makar, Hedman, Josi, Fox, those are on another level. Maybe a little unfair as those 4 in particular play on really good teams, but they are the reason they are good teams. It depends on what we consider a #1 D-man,every team has their own #1 D-man I guess,the question is.......how many teams would consider Seth Jones theirs'? I know his offensive production is down this year but he had 50+ points last year and still plays a #1's minutes,so I'd say quite a few teams would consider him their #1 too. Should that make him the 4th highest paid D-man in the league? HELL NO and the assets given away for a player due for UFA status the following summer with ZERO interest of re-signing in Clmbs really hurt! Traded the #12 and #44 for the #31 in the '21' draft and DeBrincat to get a #7 in '22' because our #6 was also included.....Boqvist doesn't look like a big loss at this point but who knows. I have not watched all of the Hawks last year or this year but have seen a good portion of them. When I look at Jones in the game I am sorry I just do not see anything extraordinary or elite. From a defending I remember how many times Hjarlharsson broke up a play, blocked a shot, got his stick in the way, defended a 2 on 1 with no shot on goal, always in a good position. Sure he gets his assists on the power play, does not look to shoot mostly deferring to 88 last year although have read he is looking to shot more this year. They say one of his assets is skating. Just trying to remember any end to end rushes, I do not see him backing off the opposition when he enters the zone or read opposition game plans around him. Maybe I am being unfair and want more and we should expect more considering the draft capital giving up and contract he received. Ask yourself how many games does he dominate or take over, my count says not many. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 1, 2022 8:26:31 GMT -6
It depends on what we consider a #1 D-man,every team has their own #1 D-man I guess,the question is.......how many teams would consider Seth Jones theirs'? I know his offensive production is down this year but he had 50+ points last year and still plays a #1's minutes,so I'd say quite a few teams would consider him their #1 too. Should that make him the 4th highest paid D-man in the league? HELL NO and the assets given away for a player due for UFA status the following summer with ZERO interest of re-signing in Clmbs really hurt! Traded the #12 and #44 for the #31 in the '21' draft and DeBrincat to get a #7 in '22' because our #6 was also included.....Boqvist doesn't look like a big loss at this point but who knows. I have not watched all of the Hawks last year or this year but have seen a good portion of them. When I look at Jones in the game I am sorry I just do not see anything extraordinary or elite. From a defending I remember how many times Hjarlharsson broke up a play, blocked a shot, got his stick in the way, defended a 2 on 1 with no shot on goal, always in a good position. Sure he gets his assists on the power play, does not look to shoot mostly deferring to 88 last year although have read he is looking to shot more this year. They say one of his assets is skating. Just trying to remember any end to end rushes, I do not see him backing off the opposition when he enters the zone or read opposition game plans around him. Maybe I am being unfair and want more and we should expect more considering the draft capital giving up and contract he received. Ask yourself how many games does he dominate or take over, my count says not many. I don't like the signing either and I like the assets given up even less but it seems you like nothing about his game. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 1, 2022 8:33:07 GMT -6
It depends on what we consider a #1 D-man,every team has their own #1 D-man I guess,the question is.......how many teams would consider Seth Jones theirs'? I know his offensive production is down this year but he had 50+ points last year and still plays a #1's minutes,so I'd say quite a few teams would consider him their #1 too. Should that make him the 4th highest paid D-man in the league? HELL NO and the assets given away for a player due for UFA status the following summer with ZERO interest of re-signing in Clmbs really hurt! Traded the #12 and #44 for the #31 in the '21' draft and DeBrincat to get a #7 in '22' because our #6 was also included.....Boqvist doesn't look like a big loss at this point but who knows. IN my opinion, Seth Jones is a #2 d-man. A #1 should be responsible for defending his own net first. Jones doesn't do that. I believe that Korchinski may end up as a #1. It looks like every D-man on the team has been defending his net so far this year to me. |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 1, 2022 10:04:55 GMT -6
I have not watched all of the Hawks last year or this year but have seen a good portion of them. When I look at Jones in the game I am sorry I just do not see anything extraordinary or elite. From a defending I remember how many times Hjarlharsson broke up a play, blocked a shot, got his stick in the way, defended a 2 on 1 with no shot on goal, always in a good position. Sure he gets his assists on the power play, does not look to shoot mostly deferring to 88 last year although have read he is looking to shot more this year. They say one of his assets is skating. Just trying to remember any end to end rushes, I do not see him backing off the opposition when he enters the zone or read opposition game plans around him. Maybe I am being unfair and want more and we should expect more considering the draft capital giving up and contract he received. Ask yourself how many games does he dominate or take over, my count says not many. I don't like the signing either and I like the assets given up even less but it seems you like nothing about his game. I just do not see the impact in the games. So, he plays top minutes and versus the opposition better players, currently sitting at a minus 4 and with no goals. Again, maybe being unfair as I hold him to a higher standard as he should be. |
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Post by steamer on Nov 2, 2022 2:30:32 GMT -6
I don't like the signing either and I like the assets given up even less but it seems you like nothing about his game. I just do not see the impact in the games. So, he plays top minutes and versus the opposition better players, currently sitting at a minus 4 and with no goals. Again, maybe being unfair as I hold him to a higher standard as he should be. I agree. The $9.5mm multi-year contract makes us expect elite play and IMO his has been good play but not elite play. |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 4, 2022 6:32:21 GMT -6
Just started watching last night's Panthers game, which was once again on HULU so no local broadcast (I hate ESPN contract) . Both announcers were women, which I don't mind. But the play by play announcer has too "sweet" of a voice to be doing play by play. The color commentator has a much better voice and would be much better doing the play by play.
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 4, 2022 6:52:31 GMT -6
Just started watching last night's Panthers game, which was once again on HULU so no local broadcast (I hate ESPN contract) . Both announcers were women, which I don't mind. But the play by play announcer has too "sweet" of a voice to be doing play by play. The color commentator has a much better voice and would be much better doing the play by play. having women announcers seem to be a sore spot with some people, but like it or not 37% of hockey fans are female and since 2016 there has been a 26% growth in those numbers. apnews.com/article/nhl-entertainment-sports-hockey-6a1ef33b575ccfefee7708eb36476e63not saying you couldn't find an article disputing these numbers but the fact is i think we can all agree there are more women fans today than ever before. so woman announcers are likely going to become more commonplace whether we like it or not. |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 4, 2022 7:27:26 GMT -6
Just started watching last night's Panthers game, which was once again on HULU so no local broadcast (I hate ESPN contract) . Both announcers were women, which I don't mind. But the play by play announcer has too "sweet" of a voice to be doing play by play. The color commentator has a much better voice and would be much better doing the play by play. having women announcers seem to be a sore spot with some people, but like it or not 37% of hockey fans are female and since 2016 there has been a 26% growth in those numbers. apnews.com/article/nhl-entertainment-sports-hockey-6a1ef33b575ccfefee7708eb36476e63not saying you couldn't find an article disputing these numbers but the fact is i think we can all agree there are more women fans today than ever before. so woman announcers are likely going to become more commonplace whether we like it or not. As I stated, I don't have a problem with women announcers. I have a problem with the play by play announcer on HULU who has a way too squeaky voice. On a play going to the net, she actually squealed like a little girl saying "ooohhhh, a save". The color commentator should be doing the play by play (Cassie). I haven't seen their full names, but I believe it's Leah Hextall doing play by play. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 4, 2022 7:37:06 GMT -6
having women announcers seem to be a sore spot with some people, but like it or not 37% of hockey fans are female and since 2016 there has been a 26% growth in those numbers. apnews.com/article/nhl-entertainment-sports-hockey-6a1ef33b575ccfefee7708eb36476e63not saying you couldn't find an article disputing these numbers but the fact is i think we can all agree there are more women fans today than ever before. so woman announcers are likely going to become more commonplace whether we like it or not. As I stated, I don't have a problem with women announcers. I have a problem with the play by play announcer on HULU who has a way too squeaky voice. On a play going to the net, she actually squealed like a little girl saying "ooohhhh, a save". The color commentator should be doing the play by play (Cassie). I haven't seen their full names, but I believe it's Leah Hextall doing play by play. i didn't mean to say that you had a problem with women announcers in particular, and announcers whether male or female should be criticized when warranted. i was just stating some numbers i had found. |
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