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Post by BigT on Jul 17, 2023 13:54:01 GMT -6
Another thing to keep in mind. Seattle more than likely won’t be as good this upcoming year. So, there’s a great chance he’ll be traded. Which isn’t all that bad. Just that the team he’s dealt to is going to use him how they see fit. And the WHL is HUGE land wise. So if he was traded to Winnipeg. That’s a world away. Like very far. It’s tough to develop when you’ve got 2 week bus trips. Practice is not always the best due to random ice times. Does KK need another long Memorial Cup run? No. He needs to learn things. But he won’t be learning much as they lean on him for too many other things. A long playoff run is gruelling. The coaches won’t be playing him at the end of games. Or PK. He’d play half the game every night and burn out. I personally don’t see it as the best option. I’ve also known a kid that got traded this year and he was absolutely destroyed. Ethan Miedema. He was dating a buddy’s daughter. And I stopped by for a drink that night. I didn’t know he was part of the Shane Wright deal. And I seen him and he was destroyed. No ever sees that part of it. Everyone just sees the numbers side. I’m not saying KK would be destroyed, but sometimes a trade catches you off guard and doesn’t help your development. If he only had 2 years in. I’d say send him back just like I did with Dach. But he’s got almost 3 full years in, and one hell of a long playoff run. I think he’s ready!!! T - you make a compelling argument and I know you come by your belief from lots of experience and knowledge so it's worth a lot. You've moved me to your side of the argument. I still believe KK has some improvements to make, as you do, but you've convinced me the best course of action for his development and long term future is to play with the Hawks next season. One more thing to keep in mind. Luke Richardson seems to have a great reputation with the players and he seems like an epic teacher. He does half the drills with them. Plus if he focuses mainly on hockey, instead of waiting for his buddies to come home from school. It’d be best if he got to live with say Seth or Murph. He can pick their brain constantly. Just too many better things at the pro level. And I’ve been quite the flag waiver for Jr hockey. But I’m not a fan of kids staying too long and going stagnant. Same with NCAA!!! |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 17, 2023 14:43:30 GMT -6
I know someone else mentioned this as a consideration, maybe a new rule should be passed or possibly voted on to give some type of special exemption for Canadian Juniors players to allow them to play in the AHL before 20. They have special exemption into Canadian Juniors. I am not sure of the criteria, and some would have to be subjective or possibly each club can use or petition say every two years. Seems we have to find another option, not ready for full time NHL, but at same time no real benefit to return back to juniors.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 30, 2023 11:38:47 GMT -6
I know someone else mentioned this as a consideration, maybe a new rule should be passed or possibly voted on to give some type of special exemption for Canadian Juniors players to allow them to play in the AHL before 20. They have special exemption into Canadian Juniors. I am not sure of the criteria, and some would have to be subjective or possibly each club can use or petition say every two years. Seems we have to find another option, not ready for full time NHL, but at same time no real benefit to return back to juniors. Sounds good to me, Korchinski could use a season in the AHL but he shouldn't be in juniors, that's why if he passes the 9gms he'll see limited ice time instead of playing in all situations with Rockford. But Korch is a smart hard working kid, and it helps he's big, going from 5'10" 160+lbs to 6'3" 180+ is a big growth spurt before his draft season. He's in the 190s now and closer to 6'4" than 6'3". |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 30, 2023 11:54:49 GMT -6
T - you make a compelling argument and I know you come by your belief from lots of experience and knowledge so it's worth a lot. You've moved me to your side of the argument. I still believe KK has some improvements to make, as you do, but you've convinced me the best course of action for his development and long term future is to play with the Hawks next season. One more thing to keep in mind. Luke Richardson seems to have a great reputation with the players and he seems like an epic teacher. He does half the drills with them. Plus if he focuses mainly on hockey, instead of waiting for his buddies to come home from school. It’d be best if he got to live with say Seth or Murph. He can pick their brain constantly. Just too many better things at the pro level. And I’ve been quite the flag waiver for Jr hockey. But I’m not a fan of kids staying too long and going stagnant. Same with NCAA!!! This franchise is set up nicely and getting Luke was the perfect choice to lead this team. He mentioned it's karma Chicago got Bedard because they never stopped working till the very end and had big wins against teams fighting to get in the playoffs. Luke's going to be perfect for Korchinski, being able to learn from a guy who'll do drills with you is a bonus, plus his longevity in the NHL and wealth of knowledge is exactly what Korchinski and the team needs. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jul 30, 2023 14:06:37 GMT -6
One more thing to keep in mind. Luke Richardson seems to have a great reputation with the players and he seems like an epic teacher. He does half the drills with them. Plus if he focuses mainly on hockey, instead of waiting for his buddies to come home from school. It’d be best if he got to live with say Seth or Murph. He can pick their brain constantly. Just too many better things at the pro level. And I’ve been quite the flag waiver for Jr hockey. But I’m not a fan of kids staying too long and going stagnant. Same with NCAA!!! This franchise is set up nicely and getting Luke was the perfect choice to lead this team. He mentioned it's karma Chicago got Bedard because they never stopped working till the very end and had big wins against teams fighting to get in the playoffs. Luke's going to be perfect for Korchinski, being able to learn from a guy who'll do drills with you is a bonus, plus his longevity in the NHL and wealth of knowledge is exactly what Korchinski and the team needs. As we inch through this seems forever long offseason - it get's the juices going to think about LR shepherding KK. Hopefully KK is ready for it and he starts that NHL learning curve this season. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 31, 2023 8:49:12 GMT -6
I think if KK is doing well on the preseason, give him his 9 game cup of coffee... And not as a #7, but give him enough real minutes so he can see what he needs to work on.
If he is ready at NHL level, by all means play him, but playing against established NHL guys should give him enough of a glimpse of where he needs to develop as opposed to a bunch of guys fighting to make an NHL roster.
No need to rush him.
PS. I doubt the CHL would agree to have prospects under 20 play for the AHL. That would deplete their talent and hurt their revenue.
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Post by Nikos on Jul 31, 2023 9:23:03 GMT -6
I think if KK is doing well on the preseason, give him his 9 game cup of coffee... And not as a #7, but give him enough real minutes so he can see what he needs to work on. If he is ready at NHL level, by all means play him, but playing against established NHL guys should give him enough of a glimpse of where he needs to develop as opposed to a bunch of guys fighting to make an NHL roster. No need to rush him. PS. I doubt the CHL would agree to have prospects under 20 play for the AHL. That would deplete their talent and hurt their revenue. I agree they will not agree across the board, my suggestion was one exception for each club to be used maybe every 2-3 years or whatever NHL and CHL decide is fair. They have special exception for players to enter juniors at 15 years I believe. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 31, 2023 17:26:57 GMT -6
To the rules experts out there:
Is there a NHL/CHL rule that says that a player on a NHL roster who is under 20 years of age cannot play on a AHL team? Therefore, for these under 20 somethings, is it either play in the NHL or sit in the upstairs seating for players?
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 31, 2023 18:06:07 GMT -6
To the rules experts out there: Is there a NHL/CHL rule that says that a player on a NHL roster who is under 20 years of age cannot play on a AHL team? Therefore, for these under 20 somethings, is it either play in the NHL or sit in the upstairs seating for players? you asked the same question in the bedard thread back in may, this was ebonyraptor's reply to your question. There's an agreement between the NHL and CHL (OHL/QMJHL/WHL) that JR players can't play in the AHL until they are no longer eligible to play in the CHL due to age, which is 20. They can play in the NHL after they're drafted at 18, but if they don't make the NHL team they must be returned to their JR team. Euro and college players aren't part of that agreement so they can play play in the NHL before the age of 20. I think the reason was so NHL teams wouldn't rob the CHL for players that wouldn't be playing on their NHL teams. I think the only exception is if a 18/19 year old player is a conditioning stint. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 31, 2023 20:09:17 GMT -6
I think if KK is doing well on the preseason, give him his 9 game cup of coffee... And not as a #7, but give him enough real minutes so he can see what he needs to work on. If he is ready at NHL level, by all means play him, but playing against established NHL guys should give him enough of a glimpse of where he needs to develop as opposed to a bunch of guys fighting to make an NHL roster. No need to rush him. PS. I doubt the CHL would agree to have prospects under 20 play for the AHL. That would deplete their talent and hurt their revenue. I agree they will not agree across the board, my suggestion was one exception for each club to be used maybe every 2-3 years or whatever NHL and CHL decide is fair. They have special exception for players to enter juniors at 15 years I believe. I still think the CHL will fight it tooth and claw. A player like Korchinski, be it the T-birds or another club, will help bring in more revenue for their league. The only way I see that ever being a thing would be if they (a) limited to maybe 1 player per team, (b) there was a payment to the CHL to make up for the revenue lost by losing one of their marquee players, and (c) because different NHL teams have different profitability and the NHL would not want to give an advantage to a rich team over a poor team, I could see the owners/NHLPA doing something like having their one sub-20 prospect play for the AHL being counted against the cap or something similar. For now though I think for a player like Korch if he's not yet NHL the best thing for him is a 9-game cup of coffee. The 1st game of the year is against the Penguins. Playing against Crosby is much different than playing against Luca Cagnoni, and with him seeing what playing against NHL regulars is like it might be enough of an eye-opener for him to work on the things he needs to do to be successful, lest his career be as illustrious as Mark McNeil's. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 31, 2023 22:34:50 GMT -6
To the rules experts out there: Is there a NHL/CHL rule that says that a player on a NHL roster who is under 20 years of age cannot play on a AHL team? Therefore, for these under 20 somethings, is it either play in the NHL or sit in the upstairs seating for players? you asked the same question in the bedard thread back in may, this was ebonyraptor's reply to your question. There's an agreement between the NHL and CHL (OHL/QMJHL/WHL) that JR players can't play in the AHL until they are no longer eligible to play in the CHL due to age, which is 20. They can play in the NHL after they're drafted at 18, but if they don't make the NHL team they must be returned to their JR team. Euro and college players aren't part of that agreement so they can play play in the NHL before the age of 20. I think the reason was so NHL teams wouldn't rob the CHL for players that wouldn't be playing on their NHL teams. I think the only exception is if a 18/19 year old player is a conditioning stint. Thank you for reminding me of my senility. It was so kind of you. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 31, 2023 22:38:54 GMT -6
you asked the same question in the bedard thread back in may, this was ebonyraptor's reply to your question. There's an agreement between the NHL and CHL (OHL/QMJHL/WHL) that JR players can't play in the AHL until they are no longer eligible to play in the CHL due to age, which is 20. They can play in the NHL after they're drafted at 18, but if they don't make the NHL team they must be returned to their JR team. Euro and college players aren't part of that agreement so they can play play in the NHL before the age of 20. I think the reason was so NHL teams wouldn't rob the CHL for players that wouldn't be playing on their NHL teams. I think the only exception is if a 18/19 year old player is a conditioning stint. Thank you for reminding me of my senility. It was so kind of you. i'm reminded of my own failing memory daily. i'll be hiding my own easter eggs soon. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 1, 2023 10:06:04 GMT -6
Thank you for reminding me of my senility. It was so kind of you. i'm reminded of my own failing memory daily. i'll be hiding my own easter eggs soon. Seriously, though, thanks for providing ER's answer from my earlier question. Maybe this time it will stick with me. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Aug 1, 2023 10:49:18 GMT -6
i'm reminded of my own failing memory daily. i'll be hiding my own easter eggs soon. Seriously, though, thanks for providing ER's answer from my earlier question. Maybe this time it will stick with me. So you're saying I done good? Wow - hope I remember this time when I done good - it's rare.  Actually I think there's more nuance then my answer provides but I don't remember what it is. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 1, 2023 15:42:27 GMT -6
Seriously, though, thanks for providing ER's answer from my earlier question. Maybe this time it will stick with me. So you're saying I done good? Wow - hope I remember this time when I done good - it's rare. Actually I think there's more nuance then my answer provides but I don't remember what it is. You done did real good at least for my needs. Seems like a well thought out response that makes sense. Thanks for providing it. |
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Post by steamer on Aug 7, 2023 10:19:23 GMT -6
It would be helpful if Korchinski had an option other than the NHL or returning back to the WHL. It looks like he is NHL ready in a number of ways but “may” not be in others. I just hope it doesn’t become a situation where he plays so sparingly in the NHL that his development is compromised and his career negatively impacted.
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Post by Nikos on Aug 7, 2023 10:29:29 GMT -6
It would be helpful if Korchinski had an option other than the NHL or returning back to the WHL. It looks like he is NHL ready in a number of ways but “may” not be in others. I just hope it doesn’t become a situation where he plays so sparingly in the NHL that his development is compromised and his career negatively impacted. He needs to play whether that is the 9-game trial or staying for the whole year and based on his play earning more playing time and in different situations. Let's see how he comes into camp and how he is used. |
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Post by steamer on Aug 7, 2023 11:14:39 GMT -6
It would be helpful if Korchinski had an option other than the NHL or returning back to the WHL. It looks like he is NHL ready in a number of ways but “may” not be in others. I just hope it doesn’t become a situation where he plays so sparingly in the NHL that his development is compromised and his career negatively impacted. He needs to play whether that is the 9-game trial or staying for the whole year and based on his play earning more playing time and in different situations. Let's see how he comes into camp and how he is used. I assume KD and LR fully understand that but we’ve seen some questionable practices from the prior regime where individuals were not handled particularly well. Hopefully we’re well beyond all of that. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 7, 2023 11:53:03 GMT -6
It would be helpful if Korchinski had an option other than the NHL or returning back to the WHL. It looks like he is NHL ready in a number of ways but “may” not be in others. I just hope it doesn’t become a situation where he plays so sparingly in the NHL that his development is compromised and his career negatively impacted. That's where Kyle from Chicago is going to earn his paycheck. Korch is one of his 1st picks so there will be a lot of eyes on him to see how well KD can scout, draft, and develop. We also saw what happens if guys are left to rot for too long, and if guys are rushed--both in recent memory. I think KD was paying attention, so either Korch makes it and is ready, or he's back in the W. It's also not too big of a stretch to think that Korch wants a good, long career. Why would he *not* work on what the 'hawks want him to if he's not good enough to make the team? |
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Post by T-man2010 on Aug 7, 2023 12:11:25 GMT -6
It would be helpful if Korchinski had an option other than the NHL or returning back to the WHL. It looks like he is NHL ready in a number of ways but “may” not be in others. I just hope it doesn’t become a situation where he plays so sparingly in the NHL that his development is compromised and his career negatively impacted. That's where Kyle from Chicago is going to earn his paycheck. Korch is one of his 1st picks so there will be a lot of eyes on him to see how well KD can scout, draft, and develop. We also saw what happens if guys are left to rot for too long, and if guys are rushed--both in recent memory. I think KD was paying attention, so either Korch makes it and is ready, or he's back in the W. It's also not too big of a stretch to think that Korch wants a good, long career. Why would he *not* work on what the 'hawks want him to if he's not good enough to make the team?A concrete post would be good enough to make this team. |
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Post by phill9 on Aug 7, 2023 12:24:20 GMT -6
That's where Kyle from Chicago is going to earn his paycheck. Korch is one of his 1st picks so there will be a lot of eyes on him to see how well KD can scout, draft, and develop. We also saw what happens if guys are left to rot for too long, and if guys are rushed--both in recent memory. I think KD was paying attention, so either Korch makes it and is ready, or he's back in the W. It's also not too big of a stretch to think that Korch wants a good, long career. Why would he *not* work on what the 'hawks want him to if he's not good enough to make the team? would be good enough to make this team.  We've seen enough of them thru the years! |
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Post by Tater on Aug 7, 2023 14:11:58 GMT -6
A concrete post would be good enough to make this team. I'm getting Cullimore flashbacks. Make it stop !!!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 7, 2023 15:33:57 GMT -6
That's where Kyle from Chicago is going to earn his paycheck. Korch is one of his 1st picks so there will be a lot of eyes on him to see how well KD can scout, draft, and develop. We also saw what happens if guys are left to rot for too long, and if guys are rushed--both in recent memory. I think KD was paying attention, so either Korch makes it and is ready, or he's back in the W. It's also not too big of a stretch to think that Korch wants a good, long career. Why would he *not* work on what the 'hawks want him to if he's not good enough to make the team?A concrete post would be good enough to make this team. I should have clarified: good enough to make the team in his projected role. Great.....another defenseman whose a pylon We've seen enough of them thru the years! I'm getting Cullimore flashbacks. Make it stop !!!!! I would have said Zyuzin, but I like the cut of your jib. |
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Post by steamer on Aug 11, 2023 16:55:34 GMT -6
Korchinski has said he’s up to 193 and Wiki says he’s 6’2”. Keith played at 6’1 and 192.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 11, 2023 17:30:52 GMT -6
Korchinski has said he’s up to 193 and Wiki says he’s 6’2”. Keith played at 6’1 and 192. Most other sites say he's 6'3" but still in the 180s. We know he's in the 190s because it's been mentioned in a few write ups this summer. I can't remember were I saw it but it showed him at 6'3.75", if he tops out at 6'4" he'll easily be over 200lbs. And Keith was in the 170s at Korchinskis age, plus a second rounder who greatly exceeded expectations. Korchinski having over 60 assists as a 17yr dman in the WHL, and being a 7th overall pick puts a lot more expectations on his shoulders, hopefully he matches them, bonus if he exceeds them. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Aug 11, 2023 20:05:19 GMT -6
I really don't have a preference between him spending part of his season in the WHL (after a taste in the NHL) or spending the entire season up with the Hawks.Some have said he has nothing to prove in the WHL but I don't think it's a matter of proving anything - I think it's a matter of getting stronger to be better able to win physical one-on-one battles and for him to get better and more confident with his shot - and both of those two things can be worked on in either the WHL or NHL.
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Post by phill9 on Aug 11, 2023 21:25:11 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 11, 2023 21:54:30 GMT -6
NHL.com also says Crevier is still 6' tall, he's 6'8", and they still have Korchinski at 185lbs even though one of their writers said he's 193lbs. I like what I read from Korch, Luke and Seattle's coach. Especially his coach saying how much he liked seeing him progress into a 2way dman. Luke will know if he's ready and I'm sure KD will listen, due to his size, skating, IQ, and being a top10 pick, this should be his first season in the NHL. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 11, 2023 21:58:53 GMT -6
I really don't have a preference between him spending part of his season in the WHL (after a taste in the NHL) or spending the entire season up with the Hawks.Some have said he has nothing to prove in the WHL but I don't think it's a matter of proving anything - I think it's a matter of getting stronger to be better able to win physical one-on-one battles and for him to get better and more confident with his shot - and both of those two things can be worked on in either the WHL or NHL. He looked pretty strong at the World Juniors, WHL playoffs, and Memorial cup, he never got pushed around and when he cut guys off he pinned them and most times took the puck away. No he doesn't lay out big hits but he knows how to use his speed and reach, it's his choices with the puck in his own end that need work, which he's improving on. |
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Post by 2old4this on Aug 11, 2023 22:34:08 GMT -6
Seattle has Korchinski listed at 6'3", same with Allan, both listed at 6'2" when drafted. I hope they both make team Canada with Del Mastro, 3/4 of the future top4. I haven't given up on Vlassic, even tho it seems many here have. Time will tell. |
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