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Post by BigT on Jan 8, 2023 7:24:44 GMT -6
for shits and giggles i took 100 spins of the tankathon simulated lottery. we got the #1 pick 21 times, the #2 pick 24 times and the #3 pick a whopping 55 times. that's no gouda. and one time montreal ended up with both of the #1 and #2 picks. talk about speeding up a rebuild. On the bright side it’s better than the 18.5% they give us now!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 8, 2023 9:45:16 GMT -6
for shits and giggles i took 100 spins of the tankathon simulated lottery. we got the #1 pick 21 times, the #2 pick 24 times and the #3 pick a whopping 55 times. that's no gouda. and one time montreal ended up with both of the #1 and #2 picks. talk about speeding up a rebuild. On the bright side it’s better than the 18.5% they give us now!!! On the brighter side, at least the NHL does the picking behind closed doors where no one sees it. Oh wait, that's congress. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 8, 2023 9:55:21 GMT -6
On the bright side it’s better than the 18.5% they give us now!!! On the brighter side, at least the NHL does the picking behind closed doors where no one sees it. Oh wait, that's congress. It looks worse when we do see it! |
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Post by phill9 on Jan 8, 2023 11:05:54 GMT -6
On the bright side it’s better than the 18.5% they give us now!!! On the brighter side, at least the NHL does the picking behind closed doors where no one sees it. Oh wait, that's congress. Nipsey Russell on Congress:
“Pro and con are opposites, that fact is clearly seen. If progress means to move forward, then what does congress mean?”
I think the reason that the NHL does the drawing behind closed doors is so if they don't like the results, they just keep negotiating until they come up with a satisfactory order. What team most needs to put seats in the building. For this reason, I'm guessing Arizona is eliminated from the #1 pick until they get an arena that holds more then 5.000 fans.  |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 18, 2023 19:33:02 GMT -6
lots of worrying here whenever we pull out a win and temporarily lose that bottom billing.
i'm more worried about finishing dead last and not getting the #1 pick.
anyways, this might make some rest easier. these are the current bottom 5 teams and the percentage of road games left this season for each as well as their current road winning percentage.
columbus - 57.9% of remaining sked are road games, current road winning percentage is .184
duckies - 48.6%, .261
hawks - 62.5%, .250
coyotes - 34.2%, .268
sharks - 51.4%, .455
also...when the trade deadline rolls around, the odds are very good that the blackhawks will lose the most talent of any of those teams. the last 21 games of the season (post trade deadline) should see us looking more like an ECHL team than the AHL team we see today.
finishing dead last should be the easy part...just need those balls to bounce the right way.
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Post by 2old4this on Jan 19, 2023 15:43:27 GMT -6
he is one of my least favorite nhlers these days, Why? apparently I am missing something. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 19, 2023 16:50:51 GMT -6
On the bright side it’s better than the 18.5% they give us now!!! On the brighter side, at least the NHL does the picking behind closed doors where no one sees it. Oh wait, that's congress. Is it really true that when the NHL does the ping pong ball routine it does it behind closed doors and announces the result later in public? If so, that is most fucked up procedure I have ever heard of in sports. That would make it clear that they are rigging the results. Why would the owners stand for such bullshit and who dictated that policy in the first place? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 19, 2023 16:51:24 GMT -6
he is one of my least favorite nhlers these days, Why? apparently I am missing something. You're not missing anything other than the fact that i just don't like the guy. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 19, 2023 17:43:10 GMT -6
On the brighter side, at least the NHL does the picking behind closed doors where no one sees it. Oh wait, that's congress. Is it really true that when the NHL does the ping pong ball routine it does it behind closed doors and announces the result later in public? If so, that is most fucked up procedure I have ever heard of in sports. That would make it clear that they are rigging the results. Why would the owners stand for such bullshit and who dictated that policy in the first place? Do you remember ever seeing the ball droppings? All they show the big draft night is when they open the envelopes like the academy awards. They might show a 10 sec clip of the backroom and balls dropping. |
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Post by nighbor on Jan 19, 2023 21:52:44 GMT -6
I believe every GM with their balls in the mix see how their balls bounce. They must at least tape the spin because I remember in one of the last five drafts seeing the Chicago ball separate itself from the pack only to have a lower ball catch up and knocked it out of the way.
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Post by steamer on Jan 21, 2023 15:19:41 GMT -6
I have always been skeptical of the ping pong ball thing for the draft, for lotteries, etc. It may very well be as random a procedure as can be but I just can’t buy into it. The older I get the more skeptical I get about everything! 🤔
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 28, 2023 20:45:30 GMT -6
sharks scored an ENG with under 2 minutes left to take a 2 goal lead on the 'canes in raliegh yesterday, but still lost the bloody game in o/t.
tonight they roll into pittsburg and knock off the penguins 6-4.
pretty nice recovery, well done sharks. keep it up.
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Post by BigT on Jan 30, 2023 6:58:24 GMT -6
I have always been skeptical of the ping pong ball thing for the draft, for lotteries, etc. It may very well be as random a procedure as can be but I just can’t buy into it. The older I get the more skeptical I get about everything! 🤔 From what I understand, they do like 9 different “runs”. Whether that’s to eliminate some balls or to see which results they like better is the question. Sure there’s some guy there to watch it from some commission. But if he’s paid to do what they say. He’s paid to do what they say. I personally don’t trust it. Too many irregularities over the course of this thing. But we’ll see. Buffalo easily got 2 first overalls. NJ. Montreal got the one they were the worst. There’s a reason why the worst team gets the first, and I’m sure it’s it for the reasons we think!!! |
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Post by steamer on Jan 31, 2023 10:39:14 GMT -6
There must better ways to discourage teams from deliberately tanking. Not sure what though.
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Post by BigT on Feb 4, 2023 11:23:11 GMT -6
There must better ways to discourage teams from deliberately tanking. Not sure what though. I don’t believe players and coaches tank. IT’s management throws together a shit team. The team will try. But eventually it’s like kicking water uphill. And moral decreases and the team goes tits up. Now. It’s very hard to reverse the spell of losing. You have to get rid of players that are only in it for a pay check. This is why I LOVE the idea that there’s only one forward left believe signed beyond this season. If the Hawks get Bedard. You cannot simply send him back to Jrs. The kid will request a trade. So next year. If the Hawks have Bedard. You’ll see some UFAs brought in to make it more bearable to tough it out. Not on long term. But on 2-3 year deals. And probably at a higher AAV. But that’s ok. It’s just to get the kid acclimatized to the NHL. I really think they’ve thought this thing out. They didn’t give out new contracts for o anyone who was due last year. Didn’t want to handcuff the team moving forward. It seems like a real plan is in place!!! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Feb 4, 2023 15:35:16 GMT -6
There is a plan in place I believe the plan is more for if they dont get CB. If they get him they are not as prepared you are looking at overpriced UFAs or marginal talented UFAs. But if they get him its a great problem to have!
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Post by BigT on Feb 5, 2023 22:19:18 GMT -6
There is a plan in place I believe the plan is more for if they dont get CB. If they get him they are not as prepared you are looking at overpriced UFAs or marginal talented UFAs. But if they get him its a great problem to have! If they don’t get Bedard, they’ve already warned the fan base that this could be 5+ years till it bares fruit. So if the Hawks do not get Bedard, they’ve covered their assess. Toews is on record saying “ they’re talking a 5+’year rebuild. That doesn’t sound very appealing to me”. So if the Hawks get Bedard, then the rebuild has been sped up by a couple years. Also, when I say the rebuild is over. It doesn’t mean a Cup. It means the team is a playoff team and can potentially contend. For example. Buffalo started their rebuild around 2013. They picked Eichel in 2015 at #2. Sure some things went bad. The old GM tried to sign some players to speed things up. Now they don’t care and are staying course. Their rebuild took too long. That team isn’t even a playoff team after 10 years. I believe KD and co have made it clear that they do not care to come off course. Unless they get Bedard. I think they’ll prep for the long haul. The Hawks will eventually get a first overall. And they’ll stay at the bottom for 2-3 more years. Rebuilds suck. But so far I see a lot of good talent in the pipeline. This time it’s much different. I was never really high on Schmaltz, Boqvist etc. I didn’t see winners in them. Waste of picks!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 6, 2023 9:54:31 GMT -6
There is a plan in place I believe the plan is more for if they dont get CB. If they get him they are not as prepared you are looking at overpriced UFAs or marginal talented UFAs. But if they get him its a great problem to have! If they don’t get Bedard, they’ve already warned the fan base that this could be 5+ years till it bares fruit. So if the Hawks do not get Bedard, they’ve covered their assess. Toews is on record saying “ they’re talking a 5+’year rebuild. That doesn’t sound very appealing to me”. So if the Hawks get Bedard, then the rebuild has been sped up by a couple years. Also, when I say the rebuild is over. It doesn’t mean a Cup. It means the team is a playoff team and can potentially contend. For example. Buffalo started their rebuild around 2013. They picked Eichel in 2015 at #2. Sure some things went bad. The old GM tried to sign some players to speed things up. Now they don’t care and are staying course. Their rebuild took too long. That team isn’t even a playoff team after 10 years. I believe KD and co have made it clear that they do not care to come off course. Unless they get Bedard. I think they’ll prep for the long haul. The Hawks will eventually get a first overall. And they’ll stay at the bottom for 2-3 more years. Rebuilds suck. But so far I see a lot of good talent in the pipeline. This time it’s much different. I was never really high on Schmaltz, Boqvist etc. I didn’t see winners in them. Waste of picks!!! 23/59 48% in 63 games last year @25 is a waste of a pick? He was traded for a center another team(a better team too) just paid 25M........the waste was getting nothing for that player IMO. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 6, 2023 10:06:40 GMT -6
If they don’t get Bedard, they’ve already warned the fan base that this could be 5+ years till it bares fruit. So if the Hawks do not get Bedard, they’ve covered their assess. Toews is on record saying “ they’re talking a 5+’year rebuild. That doesn’t sound very appealing to me”. So if the Hawks get Bedard, then the rebuild has been sped up by a couple years. Also, when I say the rebuild is over. It doesn’t mean a Cup. It means the team is a playoff team and can potentially contend. For example. Buffalo started their rebuild around 2013. They picked Eichel in 2015 at #2. Sure some things went bad. The old GM tried to sign some players to speed things up. Now they don’t care and are staying course. Their rebuild took too long. That team isn’t even a playoff team after 10 years. I believe KD and co have made it clear that they do not care to come off course. Unless they get Bedard. I think they’ll prep for the long haul. The Hawks will eventually get a first overall. And they’ll stay at the bottom for 2-3 more years. Rebuilds suck. But so far I see a lot of good talent in the pipeline. This time it’s much different. I was never really high on Schmaltz, Boqvist etc. I didn’t see winners in them. Waste of picks!!! 23/59 48% in 63 games last year @25 is a waste of a pick? He was traded for a center another team(a better team too) just paid 25M........the waste was getting nothing for that player IMO. Schmaltz is an NHL player. He’s got the skill. But he possesses minimal toughness. And I don’t mean fighting or throwing a big hit. I mean just battling for pucks and doing what needs to be done. Whenever he attempts this, he ends up injured. The last regime, if they got their way. They’d have a full team of LTIR. Boqvist at 8 was an absolute waste of a pick. Especially when you see Bouchard and Dobson as big mobile tough dmen taken afterwards. Boqvist is the same as Alex Nylander. They care more about their hair than battling for a puck. Pathetic. I wouldn’t want any of them on my team. That’s why I love that KD is looking for kids with a high motor and compete level. Getting nothing for the players last year can go 2 ways. 1, he asked too much for them. Or 2 he held his ground and didn’t cave in to bad deals. We don’t know what was said in his conversations with the other GMs. They may have offered a shifty prospect, and he said no. They may have offered something good, and he may have said no. But if the same things keep happening. Then we call a spade a spade!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 6, 2023 11:35:21 GMT -6
23/59 48% in 63 games last year @25 is a waste of a pick? He was traded for a center another team(a better team too) just paid 25M........the waste was getting nothing for that player IMO. Schmaltz is an NHL player. He’s got the skill. But he possesses minimal toughness. And I don’t mean fighting or throwing a big hit. I mean just battling for pucks and doing what needs to be done. Whenever he attempts this, he ends up injured. The last regime, if they got their way. They’d have a full team of LTIR. Boqvist at 8 was an absolute waste of a pick. Especially when you see Bouchard and Dobson as big mobile tough dmen taken afterwards. Boqvist is the same as Alex Nylander. They care more about their hair than battling for a puck. Pathetic. I wouldn’t want any of them on my team. That’s why I love that KD is looking for kids with a high motor and compete level. Getting nothing for the players last year can go 2 ways. 1, he asked too much for them. Or 2 he held his ground and didn’t cave in to bad deals. We don’t know what was said in his conversations with the other GMs. They may have offered a shifty prospect, and he said no. They may have offered something good, and he may have said no. But if the same things keep happening. Then we call a spade a spade!!! We don't know what was said but we do know four players who are solid contributors on their new teams brought a combined return of zero. I'm no fan of the last GM's picks either.........let's hope just not being the last GM is enough to oversee a complete rebuild. Not being the last GM seems enough for now and the cover of a long rebuild will extend that for 5+ years from what I hear. KD will have a few years of job security to see if his picks make it and probably a few more to see how they play once they do before he can face real scrutiny and he's also cheap as a 1st time GM. Maybe KD turns the team into a bunch of winners with high motors,he definitely acquired enough picks and space to improve the team by trading it's best young players,so improvement BETTER happen. I still don't see what's in his past/pedigree that makes anyone so confident of the success to come. I'm NOT saying KD isn't the right guy but if he isn't,it'll be an Organizational disaster. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 6, 2023 11:54:27 GMT -6
Schmaltz is an NHL player. He’s got the skill. But he possesses minimal toughness. And I don’t mean fighting or throwing a big hit. I mean just battling for pucks and doing what needs to be done. Whenever he attempts this, he ends up injured. The last regime, if they got their way. They’d have a full team of LTIR. Boqvist at 8 was an absolute waste of a pick. Especially when you see Bouchard and Dobson as big mobile tough dmen taken afterwards. Boqvist is the same as Alex Nylander. They care more about their hair than battling for a puck. Pathetic. I wouldn’t want any of them on my team. That’s why I love that KD is looking for kids with a high motor and compete level. Getting nothing for the players last year can go 2 ways. 1, he asked too much for them. Or 2 he held his ground and didn’t cave in to bad deals. We don’t know what was said in his conversations with the other GMs. They may have offered a shifty prospect, and he said no. They may have offered something good, and he may have said no. But if the same things keep happening. Then we call a spade a spade!!! We don't know what was said but we do know four players who are solid contributors on their new teams brought a combined return of zero. I'm no fan of the last GM's picks either.........let's hope just not being the last GM is enough to oversee a complete rebuild. Not being the last GM seems enough for now and the cover of a long rebuild will extend that for 5+ years from what I hear. KD will have a few years of job security to see if his picks make it and probably a few more to see how they play once they do before he can face real scrutiny and he's also cheap as a 1st time GM. Maybe KD turns the team into a bunch of winners with high motors,he definitely acquired enough picks and space to improve the team by trading it's best young players,so improvement BETTER happen. I still don't see what's in his past/pedigree that makes anyone so confident of the success to come. I'm NOT saying KD isn't the right guy but if he isn't,it'll be an Organizational disaster. I can’t argue that. I believe the org will have a short leash with KD. I give him 3 years to bare fruit on his hockey tree. Getting Bedard can extend the life of any GM for an extra few years. If not. KD will be gone after a few years and they’ll more than likely hire someone with experience and go from there with the rebuild!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 6, 2023 12:49:25 GMT -6
We don't know what was said but we do know four players who are solid contributors on their new teams brought a combined return of zero. I'm no fan of the last GM's picks either.........let's hope just not being the last GM is enough to oversee a complete rebuild. Not being the last GM seems enough for now and the cover of a long rebuild will extend that for 5+ years from what I hear. KD will have a few years of job security to see if his picks make it and probably a few more to see how they play once they do before he can face real scrutiny and he's also cheap as a 1st time GM. Maybe KD turns the team into a bunch of winners with high motors,he definitely acquired enough picks and space to improve the team by trading it's best young players,so improvement BETTER happen. I still don't see what's in his past/pedigree that makes anyone so confident of the success to come. I'm NOT saying KD isn't the right guy but if he isn't,it'll be an Organizational disaster. I can’t argue that. I believe the org will have a short leash with KD. I give him 3 years to bare fruit on his hockey tree. Getting Bedard can extend the life of any GM for an extra few years. If not. KD will be gone after a few years and they’ll more than likely hire someone with experience and go from there with the rebuild!!! I really don't think the massive opportunity of many good picks,an improved prospect pool and massive cap space will be squandered because KD seems like a smart young guy and Maciver's input will be a big help too but other teams have squandered the same opportunities. I do NOT expect things to go poorly but if they do,three years from now will see those opportunities come and gone and that would be catastrophic for the Org. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Feb 6, 2023 17:40:07 GMT -6
I can’t argue that. I believe the org will have a short leash with KD. I give him 3 years to bare fruit on his hockey tree. Getting Bedard can extend the life of any GM for an extra few years. If not. KD will be gone after a few years and they’ll more than likely hire someone with experience and go from there with the rebuild!!! I really don't think the massive opportunity of many good picks,an improved prospect pool and massive cap space will be squandered because KD seems like a smart young guy and Maciver's input will be a big help too but other teams have squandered the same opportunities. I do NOT expect things to go poorly but if they do,three years from now will see those opportunities come and gone and that would be catastrophic for the Org. I for one am hoping that KD is this team's Theo Epstein - and by that I mean Theo's hire by Boston in 2002, before he was a known commodity. Fingers-crossed. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 6, 2023 20:48:48 GMT -6
i'm quite certain this will never happen but boy oh boy...would it make it interesting for the poor slobs (like us) who currently cheer for bad teams.
and imagine how much more interesting the trade deadline would be.
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 6, 2023 22:39:01 GMT -6
coyotes beat minny at home and the duckies get a point in dallas...so all in all a good night in tank town.
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Post by hsbob on Feb 7, 2023 10:27:00 GMT -6
I really don't think the massive opportunity of many good picks,an improved prospect pool and massive cap space will be squandered because KD seems like a smart young guy and Maciver's input will be a big help too but other teams have squandered the same opportunities. I do NOT expect things to go poorly but if they do,three years from now will see those opportunities come and gone and that would be catastrophic for the Org. I for one am hoping that KD is this team's Theo Epstein - and by that I mean Theo's hire by Boston in 2002, before he was a known commodity. Fingers-crossed. I'd cross my toes too. The young GM might indeed be successful,the opportunities to improve are there but Theo ended two of sports longest.most miserable title-less streaks. Following up Boston with the Cubs doing the unthinkable was one of sports management's greatest accomplishments! That Cubs team didn't only win a WS,that WS win was sandwiched between two NLCS appearances and that team made the PO's five of six years after only six other team PO appearances in modern PO history. The team had only ONE prior PO series win in modern PO history in '03' before blowin' a 3-1 series lead to SD in the NLCS and hadn't seem a WS since 1945 when Theo arrived to do the unthinkable. ALL your fingers and ALL your toes my friend! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 16, 2023 20:42:20 GMT -6
jets do us a solid, losing in regulation to the jackets.
at one point the jets led 1-0 and the shots were something like 15-2 for winnipeg so i figured it wasn't happening for columbus tonight.
wrong-O.
hawks currently have the least points now with 37, the jackets now with 38.
however, the jackets still own the worst points % at .345 compared to chicago's .349, so officially the jackets still hold last place.
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Post by phill9 on Feb 18, 2023 14:37:28 GMT -6
Early heads up. NHL Network scheduled to air the game between the Regina Pats (Bedard) vs Winnipeg Ice on March 3rd @ 8PM EST.
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 19, 2023 0:22:03 GMT -6
the 'yotes come down from 5-1 in the 2nd in LA to lose in the shootout unfortunately.
still...points in 8 straight for arizona. me likey.
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 19, 2023 8:59:18 GMT -6
A new team has now joined the Bedard Derby, The Sharks.
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