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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 29, 2024 18:41:40 GMT -6
I believe this draft was extremely successful. The defence is basically now set up for the next eight to ten years. There is real depth at the centre position for the first time in perhaps ever. The team has plenty of potential checking wingers with game breaking speed to fill holes up and down the lineup. Some remain concerned about the team's ability to score goals. I think this apprehension is largely misguided, especially long term as the prospects (especially on defence) mature. Bedard will only get better. He is already arguably the best shooter in the game; his playmaking abilities will soon rival Patrick Kane's. Whomever he plays with will produce plenty of offense. A contending team only really needs one of these types. What's left to do now? I still think Davidson needs to add a 6'4" 235 pound winger with the size, meanness and bulk to park himself in front of the net on the powerplay, win battles in the corners and chip in rebounds. Ideally, the player would have the talent to play on the first line (Corey Perry from his Anaheim days/Marian Hossa), but if not, a Bickell/Byfuglien/Brouwer/Hartnell type would be the model. But finding one might have to wait until next year. Perhaps a short term answer might come on the UFA or trade market. Ah yes, the old just wait until next year approach to developing the team. This comment is no knock on yours or you. It is just that it is hard for me to get one bit excited about a bunch of rookies who are all probably 3 to 4 years away from being able to do something good in the nhl, if they will ever be capable of doing so. It is getting old waiting and waiting and waiting. It ain't gonna happen this year and probably not for another three, or so. I get really tired watching playoff games solely for the sake of seeing excellence in the sport. I would also like to watch them with some enthusiasm for a particular outcome like there was between 2010 and 2016. Oh well, maybe some rookie will demonstrate some spunk and at least be exciting to watch, unlike those of the past year except for Bedard. At least I didn't get much out of any other rookies besides Bedard. But, maybe that is simply due to my shortcomings in seeing the talent in the rookies out there this past year. I don't expect much difference in the upcoming year, so I guess it will be another of watching the playoffs simply to watch the excellence in other teams. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jun 29, 2024 19:50:49 GMT -6
I hope to feel more enthusiastic about this draft over the next days and weeks as the disappointment of passing on a potential superstar recedes. Maybe it is a Bedard effect from last draft when we got the belle of the ball and every other pick was frosting on top which makes this draft seem drab and underwhelming. When your first step is a misstep every step thereafter is off the mark and that's the way it seems to me. Where last year I was filled with enthusiasm for Moore/Gajan/Kantserov/Misiak/Lardis - this year I have none of it for any of the picks. Hopefully time clears the fog. Oh ye of little faith! |
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Post by mvr on Jun 29, 2024 19:57:07 GMT -6
Building something takes time.
I am very relieved to see management stepping to the plate and looking to get on base every at bat rather than always teeing off to take the huge home run swings.
I understand: home runs win ball games. But as the great Earl Weaver would always stress, you want a couple of guys on base first.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 29, 2024 20:53:30 GMT -6
yep, power forward is now yhe top need. I do feel like we need more down the middle, still. They got a powerforward center in Boisvert. There's also Greene and Misiak who have size, grit, and play center. Savoie, Marcel², Stjernborg and a few others could fill the 4C spot. There's options now, even Dach could be a center, that's what he played in the WHL. I don't see him as a power forward, more a 2LC. perhaps I should've said a power winger. what I mean is, we don't have a Tkachuk that I can see. we need a top line guy like him to pair with Bedard. maybe one of our current prospects ends up being that guy, though. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 29, 2024 20:59:21 GMT -6
I believe this draft was extremely successful. The defence is basically now set up for the next eight to ten years. There is real depth at the centre position for the first time in perhaps ever. The team has plenty of potential checking wingers with game breaking speed to fill holes up and down the lineup. Some remain concerned about the team's ability to score goals. I think this apprehension is largely misguided, especially long term as the prospects (especially on defence) mature. Bedard will only get better. He is already arguably the best shooter in the game; his playmaking abilities will soon rival Patrick Kane's. Whomever he plays with will produce plenty of offense. A contending team only really needs one of these types. What's left to do now? I still think Davidson needs to add a 6'4" 235 pound winger with the size, meanness and bulk to park himself in front of the net on the powerplay, win battles in the corners and chip in rebounds. Ideally, the player would have the talent to play on the first line (Corey Perry from his Anaheim days/Marian Hossa), but if not, a Bickell/Byfuglien/Brouwer/Hartnell type would be the model. But finding one might have to wait until next year. Perhaps a short term answer might come on the UFA or trade market. Ah yes, the old just wait until next year approach to developing the team. This comment is no knock on yours or you. It is just that it is hard for me to get one bit excited about a bunch of rookies who are all probably 3 to 4 years away from being able to do something good in the nhl, if they will ever be capable of doing so. It is getting old waiting and waiting and waiting. It ain't gonna happen this year and probably not for another three, or so. I get really tired watching playoff games solely for the sake of seeing excellence in the sport. I would also like to watch them with some enthusiasm for a particular outcome like there was between 2010 and 2016. Oh well, maybe some rookie will demonstrate some spunk and at least be exciting to watch, unlike those of the past year except for Bedard. At least I didn't get much out of any other rookies besides Bedard. But, maybe that is simply due to my shortcomings in seeing the talent in the rookies out there this past year. I don't expect much difference in the upcoming year, so I guess it will be another of watching the playoffs simply to watch the excellence in other teams. you are ever a ray sunshine here, jack, lol... you must not have been much of a 'hawks fans in the 00's. gotta give it time, man. this ain't turning around overnight. if we are in the same boat after Bedard has been here 3-4 years, then it will be time to get annoyed... |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 29, 2024 21:05:40 GMT -6
They got a powerforward center in Boisvert. There's also Greene and Misiak who have size, grit, and play center. Savoie, Marcel², Stjernborg and a few others could fill the 4C spot. There's options now, even Dach could be a center, that's what he played in the WHL. I don't see him as a power forward, more a 2LC. perhaps I should've said a power winger. what I mean is, we don't have a Tkachuk that I can see. we need a top line guy like him to pair with Bedard. maybe one of our current prospects ends up being that guy, though. If Greene or Misiak become the 2C I can see Boisvert on Bedards wing, and he is a powerforward, the guy hits hard and fights. Plus he described himself as a skilled powerforward, scouts call him that as well. He needs to work on his straight ahead speed but he has great edgework and hands, plus his shot is very heavy, like a powerforward. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 29, 2024 21:30:18 GMT -6
Ah yes, the old just wait until next year approach to developing the team. This comment is no knock on yours or you. It is just that it is hard for me to get one bit excited about a bunch of rookies who are all probably 3 to 4 years away from being able to do something good in the nhl, if they will ever be capable of doing so. It is getting old waiting and waiting and waiting. It ain't gonna happen this year and probably not for another three, or so. I get really tired watching playoff games solely for the sake of seeing excellence in the sport. I would also like to watch them with some enthusiasm for a particular outcome like there was between 2010 and 2016. Oh well, maybe some rookie will demonstrate some spunk and at least be exciting to watch, unlike those of the past year except for Bedard. At least I didn't get much out of any other rookies besides Bedard. But, maybe that is simply due to my shortcomings in seeing the talent in the rookies out there this past year. I don't expect much difference in the upcoming year, so I guess it will be another of watching the playoffs simply to watch the excellence in other teams. you are ever a ray sunshine here, jack, lol... you must not have been much of a 'hawks fans in the 00's. gotta give it time, man. this ain't turning around overnight. if we are in the same boat after Bedard has been here 3-4 years, then it will be time to get annoyed... I know it takes time, but I simply don't see much in the rookies, especially on offense, that gets me excited, so I get bored with the year after year after year failures. This upcoming season ain't gonna be any different; and, as said, these draftees won't even be making a dent in the nhl for 3 or 4 years to come. I just get tired of waiting and watching the same old failure. Good for you all who can see the positives in any player and get excited about them, even though the team continues to lose and then lose some more. I guess it is possible that a couple of the young forwards might show some talent and occasionally score a few, but I can't see that happening consistently. But, as you have noted, I am just a pessimist. I hope all you optimists are rewarded. Hell, I can always switch over and say I was wrong. I'll still be happy to see some success even if I did not expect it. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jun 29, 2024 21:54:37 GMT -6
you are ever a ray sunshine here, jack, lol... you must not have been much of a 'hawks fans in the 00's. gotta give it time, man. this ain't turning around overnight. if we are in the same boat after Bedard has been here 3-4 years, then it will be time to get annoyed... I know it takes time, but I simply don't see much in the rookies, especially on offense, that gets me excited, so I get bored with the year after year after year failures. This upcoming season ain't gonna be any different; and, as said, these draftees won't even be making a dent in the nhl for 3 or 4 years to come. I just get tired of waiting and watching the same old failure. Good for you all who can see the positives in any player and get excited about them, even though the team continues to lose and then lose some more. You should at least wait until the final roster is set before giving up. But I understand the frustration. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 29, 2024 23:11:43 GMT -6
I don't see him as a power forward, more a 2LC. perhaps I should've said a power winger. what I mean is, we don't have a Tkachuk that I can see. we need a top line guy like him to pair with Bedard. maybe one of our current prospects ends up being that guy, though. If Greene or Misiak become the 2C I can see Boisvert on Bedards wing, and he is a powerforward, the guy hits hard and fights. Plus he described himself as a skilled powerforward, scouts call him that as well. He needs to work on his straight ahead speed but he has great edgework and hands, plus his shot is very heavy, like a powerforward. fair enough. he is awfully skinny, maybe that is why I wasn't thinking power forward in his case. he does have a pretty good shot and is less of a playmaker, so perhaps he does end up in that role. I'm hoping he is a 2LC or 3LC, personally. hoping we can find someone a bit more high end to play with 98. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 29, 2024 23:35:35 GMT -6
I hope to feel more enthusiastic about this draft over the next days and weeks as the disappointment of passing on a potential superstar recedes. Maybe it is a Bedard effect from last draft when we got the belle of the ball and every other pick was frosting on top which makes this draft seem drab and underwhelming. When your first step is a misstep every step thereafter is off the mark and that's the way it seems to me. Where last year I was filled with enthusiasm for Moore/Gajan/Kantserov/Misiak/Lardis - this year I have none of it for any of the picks. Hopefully time clears the fog. have you read about how they apparently very much tried to get both? that might make you feel a little better. I wanted Demidov over Levshunov as well, but there was no wayyyyy Doneghey was getting over ruled by KfC on that one, imo. he clearly has a throbber for Arty... if you were excited about the players taken after Bedard last draft, you should be just as excited about the ones taken this year, lots of speed and lots of hard work! That could be a warning sign that KD thinks he is the smartest in the room very possible KD saw Arty early in the season and liked what he saw and that was that. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 29, 2024 23:38:59 GMT -6
have you read about how they apparently very much tried to get both? that might make you feel a little better. I wanted Demidov over Levshunov as well, but there was no wayyyyy Doneghey was getting over ruled by KfC on that one, imo. he clearly has a throbber for Arty... if you were excited about the players taken after Bedard last draft, you should be just as excited about the ones taken this year, lots of speed and lots of hard work! Yes I saw that but no, it actually makes me feel worse. If they were willing to give up what was reported to acquire the 4th pick for the purpose of drafting Demidov - then they either should have taken Demidov at #2 and tried to find a way to move up to take Levshunov - OR - they misread the board and didn't make the best move. The primary reason for my disappointment isn't that they selected Levshunov over Demidov per se - there are possibilities for acquiring other great players - it's that that decision is the first time I think KD made a significant misstep and what that portends for future rebuild decisions. In a nutshell - I had faith that KD is the right person to steer the rebuild to success - now that faith has been shaken. I never had faith in KD and you always told me to trust the process. Might have made a big mistake with #2 but lets give him a mulligan and move on and hope he knows what he is doing |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 29, 2024 23:58:49 GMT -6
Yes I saw that but no, it actually makes me feel worse. If they were willing to give up what was reported to acquire the 4th pick for the purpose of drafting Demidov - then they either should have taken Demidov at #2 and tried to find a way to move up to take Levshunov - OR - they misread the board and didn't make the best move. The primary reason for my disappointment isn't that they selected Levshunov over Demidov per se - there are possibilities for acquiring other great players - it's that that decision is the first time I think KD made a significant misstep and what that portends for future rebuild decisions. In a nutshell - I had faith that KD is the right person to steer the rebuild to success - now that faith has been shaken. I never had faith in KD and you always told me to trust the process. Might have made a big mistake with #2 but lets give him a mulligan and move on and hope he knows what he is doing We have no choice but to move on but I can't slough it off as a mulligan. The #2 pick was the most consequential draft pick he had to make in the 3 drafts he's conducted. Korchinski was a #7 pick and the 3rd d-men taken in 2022. Bedard was a no-brainer in 2023. This #2 pick could have been a superstar homerun pick to set up the top of the lineup for the next decade+ but instead he took a middle-pairing d-man who might qualify as a top pairing guy if he learns to play defense. I hope he's right and I'm wrong and if that turns out to be the case I will happily apologize to him and all who I've subjected to my ravings here on this site. |
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Post by ukhawk on Jun 30, 2024 2:43:58 GMT -6
I never had faith in KD and you always told me to trust the process. Might have made a big mistake with #2 but lets give him a mulligan and move on and hope he knows what he is doing We have no choice but to move on but I can't slough it off as a mulligan. The #2 pick was the most consequential draft pick he had to make in the 3 drafts he's conducted. Korchinski was a #7 pick and the 3rd d-men taken in 2022. Bedard was a no-brainer in 2023. This #2 pick could have been a superstar homerun pick to set up the top of the lineup for the next decade+ but instead he took a middle-pairing d-man who might qualify as a top pairing guy if he learns to play defense. I hope he's right and I'm wrong and if that turns out to be the case I will happily apologize to him and all who I've subjected to my ravings here on this site. I wanted Demidov too to be honest, but looking at that potential group of D men is pretty good and could be a solid group for years to come. It looks like D is now set. Hopefully. |
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Post by nighbor on Jun 30, 2024 5:58:09 GMT -6
Levshunov obviously was considered the next step of the rebuild and they couldn't chance missing out on getting him thus he was chosen at #2. KD then set his sights on Devidov who was his second choice.
A question to ask is if Devidov was the second best player in the draft why was he passed over by two other teams.
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Post by Nikos on Jun 30, 2024 6:16:50 GMT -6
Levshunov obviously was considered the next step of the rebuild and they couldn't chance missing out on getting him thus he was chosen at #2. KD then set his sights on Devidov who was his second choice. A question to ask is if Devidov was the second best player in the draft why was he passed over by two other teams. Good question, why did the Ducks pick Beckett Sennecke, ranked #13 (North American Skater) by NHL Central Scouting, if nobody was surprised Sennecke sure was. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 30, 2024 6:27:24 GMT -6
I never had faith in KD and you always told me to trust the process. Might have made a big mistake with #2 but lets give him a mulligan and move on and hope he knows what he is doing We have no choice but to move on but I can't slough it off as a mulligan. The #2 pick was the most consequential draft pick he had to make in the 3 drafts he's conducted. Korchinski was a #7 pick and the 3rd d-men taken in 2022. Bedard was a no-brainer in 2023. This #2 pick could have been a superstar homerun pick to set up the top of the lineup for the next decade+ but instead he took a middle-pairing d-man who might qualify as a top pairing guy if he learns to play defense. I hope he's right and I'm wrong and if that turns out to be the case I will happily apologize to him and all who I've subjected to my ravings here on this site. The experts say he's a top pair dman and possible #1, he played in all situations in Michigan and logged a lot of minutes and was a +27 while being almost a point a game, plus he was named the best defensive dman. Sounds pretty damn good to me, and Demidov might be a high scoring winger one day but this team is now set up for playoff hockey with just the guys they drafted, even going back to 2019 with Vlasic. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2024 6:43:53 GMT -6
Levshunov obviously was considered the next step of the rebuild and they couldn't chance missing out on getting him thus he was chosen at #2. KD then set his sights on Devidov who was his second choice. A question to ask is if Devidov was the second best player in the draft why was he passed over by two other teams. I believe the other two teams passed because they hadn't scouted him enough in person, whereas the Habs have a scout in Russia who knows SKA, in particular, very well. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2024 6:46:14 GMT -6
We have no choice but to move on but I can't slough it off as a mulligan. The #2 pick was the most consequential draft pick he had to make in the 3 drafts he's conducted. Korchinski was a #7 pick and the 3rd d-men taken in 2022. Bedard was a no-brainer in 2023. This #2 pick could have been a superstar homerun pick to set up the top of the lineup for the next decade+ but instead he took a middle-pairing d-man who might qualify as a top pairing guy if he learns to play defense. I hope he's right and I'm wrong and if that turns out to be the case I will happily apologize to him and all who I've subjected to my ravings here on this site. The experts say he's a top pair dman and possible #1, he played in all situations in Michigan and logged a lot of minutes and was a +27 while being almost a point a game, plus he was named the best defensive dman. Sounds pretty damn good to me, and Demidov might be a high scoring winger one day but this team is now set up for playoff hockey with just the guys they drafted, even going back to 2019 with Vlasic. I've done my share of defending Levshunov here prior to the draft and I am fine with the pick now that it has happened... ...but you are killing me with the Michigan talk, man. Levshunov played for Michigan State, not Michigan. 😁 |
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Post by mvr on Jun 30, 2024 7:03:46 GMT -6
When Denis Savard first joined the Blackhawks, the team basically had no scoring forwards.
The big question at the time - who would play with Savard?
It did not take long to figure out. Steve Larmer was a sixth rounder out of the then OHA who'd produced one strong campaign in the Hawks' top minor league system. Al Secord was a bruising left winger drafted 16th overall the Hawks had acquired from the Bruins in exchange for Mike O'Connell.
Larmer was on nobody's radar at the time. The Bruins had basically given up on Secord after his slow start to the pro game.
My point here. When a team has an offensive superstar such as Savard or Kane or Bedard, the coaching staff will find guys to play with him. The tide will rise around the great players. Larmer and Secord gained their footing and became legit NHL stars because they played with Savard. Similarly, how often did we see Patrick Kane carry that second line basically on his own? Coach Quenneville knew - add a slumping player to the Kane line, and the slump ends that night.
We don't need to worry about who plays with Bedard. Likely the team already has players good enough to do the job. Bedard is that good.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 30, 2024 7:42:01 GMT -6
How about turn Crevier, Roos or Phillips into a winger? They did it with Buff. It is a thought. Especially Crevier. But does he have a temper? It doesn't appear so at this point. IMO,a big,nasty young D-man to take Tinordi's spot could possibly separate himself from the 'LOG-JAM' of early 20yro LS D-prospects. With even more youngsters added to the position,Crevier will be more of an afterthought than ever. IF he could fill a Tinordi-like role,the BIG kid might very well be the #6-7 for that reason alone. Transitioning D-men to forward rarely happens and almost never successfully,Dustin Byfuglien and Britt Burns were both naturally gifted athletes with size and skill. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 30, 2024 8:21:47 GMT -6
you are ever a ray sunshine here, jack, lol... you must not have been much of a 'hawks fans in the 00's. gotta give it time, man. this ain't turning around overnight. if we are in the same boat after Bedard has been here 3-4 years, then it will be time to get annoyed... I know it takes time, but I simply don't see much in the rookies, especially on offense, that gets me excited, so I get bored with the year after year after year failures. This upcoming season ain't gonna be any different; and, as said, these draftees won't even be making a dent in the nhl for 3 or 4 years to come. I just get tired of waiting and watching the same old failure. Good for you all who can see the positives in any player and get excited about them, even though the team continues to lose and then lose some more. I guess it is possible that a couple of the young forwards might show some talent and occasionally score a few, but I can't see that happening consistently. But, as you have noted, I am just a pessimist. I hope all you optimists are rewarded. Hell, I can always switch over and say I was wrong. I'll still be happy to see some success even if I did not expect it. If someone's still a 'ray-o-sunshine' after three consecutive bottom five finishes,they're either a glutton for punishment or they have the ability to foresee the future. I'm as frustrated as you are jack but probably more optimistic on the prospect pool. The 'decks were cleared' of many good,young players and they were replaced by other team's wretched refuge in order to amass EIGHT year's worth of 1st,2nd and 3rd round picks in just the last three drafts alone. We better GOD DAMMED well expect more than "a couple of young forwards who might show some talent and occasionally score a few"!! |
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Post by squishy24 on Jun 30, 2024 8:26:19 GMT -6
Levshunov obviously was considered the next step of the rebuild and they couldn't chance missing out on getting him thus he was chosen at #2. KD then set his sights on Devidov who was his second choice. A question to ask is if Devidov was the second best player in the draft why was he passed over by two other teams. Good question, why did the Ducks pick Beckett Sennecke, ranked #13 (North American Skater) by NHL Central Scouting, if nobody was surprised Sennecke sure was. I wouldnt put too much stock on what Anaheim does. Pat Verbeek sucks as a GM - just IMO |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 30, 2024 8:26:31 GMT -6
When Denis Savard first joined the Blackhawks, the team basically had no scoring forwards. The big question at the time - who would play with Savard? It did not take long to figure out. Steve Larmer was a sixth rounder out of the then OHA who'd produced one strong campaign in the Hawks' top minor league system. Al Secord was a bruising left winger drafted 16th overall the Hawks had acquired from the Bruins in exchange for Mike O'Connell. Larmer was on nobody's radar at the time. The Bruins had basically given up on Secord after his slow start to the pro game. My point here. When a team has an offensive superstar such as Savard or Kane or Bedard, the coaching staff will find guys to play with him. The tide will rise around the great players. Larmer and Secord gained their footing and became legit NHL stars because they played with Savard. Similarly, how often did we see Patrick Kane carry that second line basically on his own? Coach Quenneville knew - add a slumping player to the Kane line, and the slump ends that night. We don't need to worry about who plays with Bedard. Likely the team already has players good enough to do the job. Bedard is that good. Grant Mulvey didn't peak your interest? |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 30, 2024 8:43:50 GMT -6
How about turn Crevier, Roos or Phillips into a winger? They did it with Buff. It is a thought. Especially Crevier. But does he have a temper? Just load him up with steroids. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 30, 2024 8:56:03 GMT -6
I know it takes time, but I simply don't see much in the rookies, especially on offense, that gets me excited, so I get bored with the year after year after year failures. This upcoming season ain't gonna be any different; and, as said, these draftees won't even be making a dent in the nhl for 3 or 4 years to come. I just get tired of waiting and watching the same old failure. Good for you all who can see the positives in any player and get excited about them, even though the team continues to lose and then lose some more. I guess it is possible that a couple of the young forwards might show some talent and occasionally score a few, but I can't see that happening consistently. But, as you have noted, I am just a pessimist. I hope all you optimists are rewarded. Hell, I can always switch over and say I was wrong. I'll still be happy to see some success even if I did not expect it. If someone's still a 'ray-o-sunshine' after three consecutive bottom five finishes,they're either a glutton for punishment or they have the ability to foresee the future. I'm as frustrated as you are jack but probably more optimistic on the prospect pool. The 'decks were cleared' of many good,young players and they were replaced by other team's wretched refuge in order to amass EIGHT year's worth of 1st,2nd and 3rd round picks in just the last three drafts alone. We better GOD DAMMED well expect more than "a couple of young forwards who might show some talent and occasionally score a few"!! I agree. I don’t think that you can rebuild in 3 years. Every team takes around 5. Makes the playoffs about 7/8 years after starting it. I don’t believe you get all you need in 3 years. The reason is there’s only so many players to get in 3 years. But based over 5 years, you get a different assortment of players. So I hate to say it. I hope the Hawks have a bottom 5 pick again. Gonna need it. 3rd rounders or later rarely make it. So when I hear someone tell me the Hawks drafted 6 centers over the past 3 drafts and most were drafted 3rd or later. That’s not how to rebuild. Gotta get your top end talent. Your 1 center, 1 D, 2 center, 2-3 D, top wingers etc. I fear the Hawks still don’t have a 1 center or a top D. So this may go a lot longer than any of us expected!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 30, 2024 9:12:54 GMT -6
If someone's still a 'ray-o-sunshine' after three consecutive bottom five finishes,they're either a glutton for punishment or they have the ability to foresee the future. I'm as frustrated as you are jack but probably more optimistic on the prospect pool. The 'decks were cleared' of many good,young players and they were replaced by other team's wretched refuge in order to amass EIGHT year's worth of 1st,2nd and 3rd round picks in just the last three drafts alone. We better GOD DAMMED well expect more than "a couple of young forwards who might show some talent and occasionally score a few"!! I agree. I don’t think that you can rebuild in 3 years. Every team takes around 5. Makes the playoffs about 7/8 years after starting it. I don’t believe you get all you need in 3 years. The reason is there’s only so many players to get in 3 years. But based over 5 years, you get a different assortment of players. So I hate to say it. I hope the Hawks have a bottom 5 pick again. Gonna need it. 3rd rounders or later rarely make it. So when I hear someone tell me the Hawks drafted 6 centers over the past 3 drafts and most were drafted 3rd or later. That’s not how to rebuild. Gotta get your top end talent. Your 1 center, 1 D, 2 center, 2-3 D, top wingers etc. I fear the Hawks still don’t have a 1 center or a top D. So this may go a lot longer than any of us expected!!! If ANY team decides on filling all important positions through the draft only,then YES,it could go a lot longer........perpetuity maybe. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jun 30, 2024 10:35:49 GMT -6
It is a thought. Especially Crevier. But does he have a temper? It doesn't appear so at this point. IMO,a big,nasty young D-man to take Tinordi's spot could possibly separate himself from the 'LOG-JAM' of early 20yro LS D-prospects. With even more youngsters added to the position,Crevier will be more of an afterthought than ever. IF he could fill a Tinordi-like role,the BIG kid might very well be the #6-7 for that reason alone. Transitioning D-men to forward rarely happens and almost never successfully,Dustin Byfuglien and Britt Burns were both naturally gifted athletes with size and skill. Add John Marks to that shortlist of transitioning D-men. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 30, 2024 11:08:18 GMT -6
When Denis Savard first joined the Blackhawks, the team basically had no scoring forwards. The big question at the time - who would play with Savard? It did not take long to figure out. Steve Larmer was a sixth rounder out of the then OHA who'd produced one strong campaign in the Hawks' top minor league system. Al Secord was a bruising left winger drafted 16th overall the Hawks had acquired from the Bruins in exchange for Mike O'Connell. Larmer was on nobody's radar at the time. The Bruins had basically given up on Secord after his slow start to the pro game. My point here. When a team has an offensive superstar such as Savard or Kane or Bedard, the coaching staff will find guys to play with him. The tide will rise around the great players. Larmer and Secord gained their footing and became legit NHL stars because they played with Savard. Similarly, how often did we see Patrick Kane carry that second line basically on his own? Coach Quenneville knew - add a slumping player to the Kane line, and the slump ends that night. We don't need to worry about who plays with Bedard. Likely the team already has players good enough to do the job. Bedard is that good. Larmer, a 6th round pick. Truly amazing and many congrats to the scouts. What a pick!!!!!! Hopefully, today's scouts are going to find the new Larmer. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 30, 2024 11:10:54 GMT -6
We have no choice but to move on but I can't slough it off as a mulligan. The #2 pick was the most consequential draft pick he had to make in the 3 drafts he's conducted. Korchinski was a #7 pick and the 3rd d-men taken in 2022. Bedard was a no-brainer in 2023. This #2 pick could have been a superstar homerun pick to set up the top of the lineup for the next decade+ but instead he took a middle-pairing d-man who might qualify as a top pairing guy if he learns to play defense. I hope he's right and I'm wrong and if that turns out to be the case I will happily apologize to him and all who I've subjected to my ravings here on this site. I wanted Demidov too to be honest, but looking at that potential group of D men is pretty good and could be a solid group for years to come. It looks like D is now set. Hopefully. OK, so they win a bunch of games 2-1, or 1-0. Those are wins and will be welcome, although not very exciting. Oh, by the way, they do need to find a goalie who will hold the opponents to one or no goals, game after game. No problem, right? |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 30, 2024 11:12:37 GMT -6
If someone's still a 'ray-o-sunshine' after three consecutive bottom five finishes,they're either a glutton for punishment or they have the ability to foresee the future. I'm as frustrated as you are jack but probably more optimistic on the prospect pool. The 'decks were cleared' of many good,young players and they were replaced by other team's wretched refuge in order to amass EIGHT year's worth of 1st,2nd and 3rd round picks in just the last three drafts alone. We better GOD DAMMED well expect more than "a couple of young forwards who might show some talent and occasionally score a few"!! I agree. I don’t think that you can rebuild in 3 years. Every team takes around 5. Makes the playoffs about 7/8 years after starting it. I don’t believe you get all you need in 3 years. The reason is there’s only so many players to get in 3 years. But based over 5 years, you get a different assortment of players. So I hate to say it. I hope the Hawks have a bottom 5 pick again. Gonna need it. 3rd rounders or later rarely make it. So when I hear someone tell me the Hawks drafted 6 centers over the past 3 drafts and most were drafted 3rd or later. That’s not how to rebuild. Gotta get your top end talent. Your 1 center, 1 D, 2 center, 2-3 D, top wingers etc. I fear the Hawks still don’t have a 1 center or a top D. So this may go a lot longer than any of us expected!!! Didn't you used to be more optimistic? You are starting to sound like me, although far more articulate and knowledgeable. |
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