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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 30, 2024 11:14:31 GMT -6
I know it takes time, but I simply don't see much in the rookies, especially on offense, that gets me excited, so I get bored with the year after year after year failures. This upcoming season ain't gonna be any different; and, as said, these draftees won't even be making a dent in the nhl for 3 or 4 years to come. I just get tired of waiting and watching the same old failure. Good for you all who can see the positives in any player and get excited about them, even though the team continues to lose and then lose some more. I guess it is possible that a couple of the young forwards might show some talent and occasionally score a few, but I can't see that happening consistently. But, as you have noted, I am just a pessimist. I hope all you optimists are rewarded. Hell, I can always switch over and say I was wrong. I'll still be happy to see some success even if I did not expect it. If someone's still a 'ray-o-sunshine' after three consecutive bottom five finishes,they're either a glutton for punishment or they have the ability to foresee the future. I'm as frustrated as you are jack but probably more optimistic on the prospect pool. The 'decks were cleared' of many good,young players and they were replaced by other team's wretched refuge in order to amass EIGHT year's worth of 1st,2nd and 3rd round picks in just the last three drafts alone. We better GOD DAMMED well expect more than "a couple of young forwards who might show some talent and occasionally score a few"!! I guess if two of the forwards in the prospect pool get 20 goals, or more; and they get two free agents who can duplicate that, along with Bedard's output, they night be fun to watch. Is that too much to ask; or is that reasonably possible? |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 30, 2024 11:30:12 GMT -6
Good question, why did the Ducks pick Beckett Sennecke, ranked #13 (North American Skater) by NHL Central Scouting, if nobody was surprised Sennecke sure was. I wouldnt put too much stock on what Anaheim does. Pat Verbeek sucks as a GM - just IMO He also passed on Fantilli last year who was considered BPA after Bedard. |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 30, 2024 11:31:45 GMT -6
When Denis Savard first joined the Blackhawks, the team basically had no scoring forwards. The big question at the time - who would play with Savard? It did not take long to figure out. Steve Larmer was a sixth rounder out of the then OHA who'd produced one strong campaign in the Hawks' top minor league system. Al Secord was a bruising left winger drafted 16th overall the Hawks had acquired from the Bruins in exchange for Mike O'Connell. Larmer was on nobody's radar at the time. The Bruins had basically given up on Secord after his slow start to the pro game. My point here. When a team has an offensive superstar such as Savard or Kane or Bedard, the coaching staff will find guys to play with him. The tide will rise around the great players. Larmer and Secord gained their footing and became legit NHL stars because they played with Savard. Similarly, how often did we see Patrick Kane carry that second line basically on his own? Coach Quenneville knew - add a slumping player to the Kane line, and the slump ends that night. We don't need to worry about who plays with Bedard. Likely the team already has players good enough to do the job. Bedard is that good. Grant Mulvey didn't peak your interest? Mulvey did score 5 goals in a game. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 30, 2024 12:15:52 GMT -6
I agree. I don’t think that you can rebuild in 3 years. Every team takes around 5. Makes the playoffs about 7/8 years after starting it. I don’t believe you get all you need in 3 years. The reason is there’s only so many players to get in 3 years. But based over 5 years, you get a different assortment of players. So I hate to say it. I hope the Hawks have a bottom 5 pick again. Gonna need it. 3rd rounders or later rarely make it. So when I hear someone tell me the Hawks drafted 6 centers over the past 3 drafts and most were drafted 3rd or later. That’s not how to rebuild. Gotta get your top end talent. Your 1 center, 1 D, 2 center, 2-3 D, top wingers etc. I fear the Hawks still don’t have a 1 center or a top D. So this may go a lot longer than any of us expected!!! Didn't you used to be more optimistic? You are starting to sound like me, although far more articulate and knowledgeable. I’m just starting to see the picture. I really hope it pans out. It’s fun to see a team rise from the ashes and win it all. I think the best way with Dmen (who take longer) is the same approach they took with Rinzel. I’ve been massively impressed with how they’ve handled him. And he’s coming along well. I was really impressed with the first year to get 3 first rounders and take 2 Dmen. Very smart. Then last year came. Leave out Bedard. Let’s look at the other picks. Moore. Was he even necessary if you draft Nazar, Ludwinski, Greene etc the year before, why draft Moore, Lardis, Kantserov? D take the longest to develop. I would’ve passed on Moore and taken big right shot Dman Oliver Bonk. He’s really progressing. He had a great year in London. He’ll need another couple years of development, but will be good. My point is. You need to draft dmen early and often. They take longer. Hawks already proved this with taking Keith in the 2nd round and Seabs with a top 10. Then when they took a high pick (3) on Barker, it didn’t work out. I see the same thing now. Just like Barker not many scouts raved about him. And the same for Levshunov. I hope I’m wrong. But fucking up this pick sets the org back a lot. At least Barker was towards the end of the rebuild, or at least the middle. Wheeler or Ladd would’ve been better choices. But oh well. I feel they started on the right path, and now have gone all over the place. If they took Bonk and another right D last year. This year could have been all forwards. Hopefully it works out. But I now have doubts!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 30, 2024 12:22:32 GMT -6
It is a thought. Especially Crevier. But does he have a temper? It doesn't appear so at this point. IMO,a big,nasty young D-man to take Tinordi's spot could possibly separate himself from the 'LOG-JAM' of early 20yro LS D-prospects. With even more youngsters added to the position,Crevier will be more of an afterthought than ever. IF he could fill a Tinordi-like role,the BIG kid might very well be the #6-7 for that reason alone. Transitioning D-men to forward rarely happens and almost never successfully,Dustin Byfuglien and Britt Burns were both naturally gifted athletes with size and skill. Maybe 6'7" 235lb Harding will be moved to forward. If not, he'd be a great 3rd pair dman who'll hit, fight, and play a smart 2way game. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2024 15:44:28 GMT -6
I got say, it seems like some folks here have suddenly given up on The Plan now that the guy they wanted didn't get picked...
which, I mean, I get it. they didn't take who I wanted, either. am I happy about it? not really. however, we still have Bedard. we still have an ever growing prospect pool. if anything, these are positives we can embrace. if KfC is here for a couple more years and we aren't getting any better, I highly doubt the powers that be continue to allow the team to flail, especially with Danny Boy getting more involved now. he will get replaced and then the new GM will have a prospect pool that is busting at the seams.
I also wanted to mention, again, that this year's draft was never supposed to be all that great. I know it is easy to get enamored with prospects, especially with all the fluff that comes out about them in the lead up to the draft. as I've said, if you look back at the The Run, in some of those drafts we got a whopping one player. for reference, with round taken in ():
02 draft: Keith (2), Wiz (5), Burish (9). 6 other picks that failed.
03: Seabs (1), Crow (2), Buff (9). 7 other picks failed.
04: Bolly (2), Bicks (2), I guess Barker (1), Brouwer (7). 13(!) other picks failed.
05: Hammer (4). 11 other picks failed.
06: Tazer (duh). 7 other picks failed.
07: Kane (duh). 6 other picks failed.
I'll stop there, but in the next two we got Kruger and Ben Smith and that was it.
the point being, this is going to take time. the only problem, if that is what you want to call it, is we got the headliner early on, vs at the tail end. this has lead to higher expectations earlier on, but patience is necessary right now. we have some guys in place already. KK looks like he could be a top 4. Vlasic is already a top 4. there are others in the pool that should be middle to bottom pairing guys and Levshunov, provided he can put it all together, *could* be the headliner. we have a superstar in 98. we have lots of forwards that have potential, we need a few of them to pan out. finally, we have cap space flying out of our ass and we will (hopefully) continue to have that for a couple more years. I know a lot of people want to use it now, but I feel like KfC and Co know what we don't have and they know in a couple years we will need that cap space to address the missing pieces. until then, we have to be frugal.
we are a helluva lot further down rebuild road now than we were 3 years ago. over the next 2-3 seasons we should be seeing a few guys that will be part of the next Run, but they need to marinate now. it won't all happen at once, it is going to be a trickle. let's see what we have in Frankie, Slags, EDM, and maybe even Dach 2.0 this season. hopefully a couple of them stick.
I guess what I am trying to say is: keep your heads up, boys! this path is tedious and patience is the order of the day until we are basking in the light at the end of this tunnel...
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2024 15:56:12 GMT -6
I know it takes time, but I simply don't see much in the rookies, especially on offense, that gets me excited, so I get bored with the year after year after year failures. This upcoming season ain't gonna be any different; and, as said, these draftees won't even be making a dent in the nhl for 3 or 4 years to come. I just get tired of waiting and watching the same old failure. Good for you all who can see the positives in any player and get excited about them, even though the team continues to lose and then lose some more. I guess it is possible that a couple of the young forwards might show some talent and occasionally score a few, but I can't see that happening consistently. But, as you have noted, I am just a pessimist. I hope all you optimists are rewarded. Hell, I can always switch over and say I was wrong. I'll still be happy to see some success even if I did not expect it. If someone's still a 'ray-o-sunshine' after three consecutive bottom five finishes,they're either a glutton for punishment or they have the ability to foresee the future. I'm as frustrated as you are jack but probably more optimistic on the prospect pool. The 'decks were cleared' of many good,young players and they were replaced by other team's wretched refuge in order to amass EIGHT year's worth of 1st,2nd and 3rd round picks in just the last three drafts alone. We better GOD DAMMED well expect more than "a couple of young forwards who might show some talent and occasionally score a few"!! don't mistake my optimism for a lack of frustration. I think we would all like to see the team winning now, making playoff runs now, having parades now. I think Jack probably knows I was giving him a hard time, as the next time he posts something positive around here might be the first time. and that is ok. these boards are almost always a sounding board for frustration and disagreement, as well as joy and excitement. different strokes for different folks. I guess I have a more optimistic view of things having grown up in the 80s/90s and then went through the last full on rebuild. I do know that I am enjoying the current state of things a helluva lot more than I was a few years ago when we were desperately trying to make another run when it was painfully obvious the dipshit in charge was just making things worse. this is despite the obviously shitty product on the ice. we all love this team and we all have a different view of how it should be fixed. I have little doubt that we will all continue to try and convince each other which way is the right or wrong way and I hope we all continue to do so for many years to come! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 30, 2024 17:54:42 GMT -6
I got say, it seems like some folks here have suddenly given up on The Plan now that the guy they wanted didn't get picked... which, I mean, I get it. they didn't take who I wanted, either. am I happy about it? not really. however, we still have Bedard. we still have an ever growing prospect pool. if anything, these are positives we can embrace. if KfC is here for a couple more years and we aren't getting any better, I highly doubt the powers that be continue to allow the team to flail, especially with Danny Boy getting more involved now. he will get replaced and then the new GM will have a prospect pool that is busting at the seams. I also wanted to mention, again, that this year's draft was never supposed to be all that great. I know it is easy to get enamored with prospects, especially with all the fluff that comes out about them in the lead up to the draft. as I've said, if you look back at the The Run, in some of those drafts we got a whopping one player. for reference, with round taken in (): 02 draft: Keith (2), Wiz (5), Burish (9). 6 other picks that failed. 03: Seabs (1), Crow (2), Buff (9). 7 other picks failed. 04: Bolly (2), Bicks (2), I guess Barker (1), Brouwer (7). 13(!) other picks failed. 05: Hammer (4). 11 other picks failed. 06: Tazer (duh). 7 other picks failed. 07: Kane (duh). 6 other picks failed. I'll stop there, but in the next two we got Kruger and Ben Smith and that was it. the point being, this is going to take time. the only problem, if that is what you want to call it, is we got the headliner early on, vs at the tail end. this has lead to higher expectations earlier on, but patience is necessary right now. we have some guys in place already. KK looks like he could be a top 4. Vlasic is already a top 4. there are others in the pool that should be middle to bottom pairing guys and Levshunov, provided he can put it all together, *could* be the headliner. we have a superstar in 98. we have lots of forwards that have potential, we need a few of them to pan out. finally, we have cap space flying out of our ass and we will (hopefully) continue to have that for a couple more years. I know a lot of people want to use it now, but I feel like KfC and Co know what we don't have and they know in a couple years we will need that cap space to address the missing pieces. until then, we have to be frugal. we are a helluva lot further down rebuild road now than we were 3 years ago. over the next 2-3 seasons we should be seeing a few guys that will be part of the next Run, but they need to marinate now. it won't all happen at once, it is going to be a trickle. let's see what we have in Frankie, Slags, EDM, and maybe even Dach 2.0 this season. hopefully a couple of them stick. I guess what I am trying to say is: keep your heads up, boys! this path is tedious and patience is the order of the day until we are basking in the light at the end of this tunnel... Thanks for your research. What impressed me the most about your summaries is something I knew already, but had no real knowledge of the true numbers associated with the number of failures from the drafts. Yikes, those are a huge number of failures. That is one reason why I don't get excited about these draft picks. I'll wait and see how they develop and what free agents they acquire. I just wish it weren't so damn slow to get to the end of this road. This is worse than doing 10 kph on the Trans Canada. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 30, 2024 17:58:47 GMT -6
If someone's still a 'ray-o-sunshine' after three consecutive bottom five finishes,they're either a glutton for punishment or they have the ability to foresee the future. I'm as frustrated as you are jack but probably more optimistic on the prospect pool. The 'decks were cleared' of many good,young players and they were replaced by other team's wretched refuge in order to amass EIGHT year's worth of 1st,2nd and 3rd round picks in just the last three drafts alone. We better GOD DAMMED well expect more than "a couple of young forwards who might show some talent and occasionally score a few"!! don't mistake my optimism for a lack of frustration. I think we would all like to see the team winning now, making playoff runs now, having parades now. I think Jack probably knows I was giving him a hard time, as the next time he posts something positive around here might be the first time. and that is ok. these boards are almost always a sounding board for frustration and disagreement, as well as joy and excitement. different strokes for different folks. I guess I have a more optimistic view of things having grown up in the 80s/90s and then went through the last full on rebuild. I do know that I am enjoying the current state of things a helluva lot more than I was a few years ago when we were desperately trying to make another run when it was painfully obvious the dipshit in charge was just making things worse. this is despite the obviously shitty product on the ice. we all love this team and we all have a different view of how it should be fixed. I have little doubt that we will all continue to try and convince each other which way is the right or wrong way and I hope we all continue to do so for many years to come! Yes, I am Senor Pessimisto; and I know you were giving me a hard time. I also post negatively to get the feedback that counters a negative position and sets out a point of view that gives some positivity. One of my favorite sayings is: Expectations Are The Guillotines of Life. It sure applies to this rebuild. I'll pile on with muy, muy posts of admiration and recognition of success when I see it. Until then, I ain't getting too excited and will remain in doubt about how things will work out. There is always time to change my thinking with no penalty attached except making myself a target for all the "I told you so" rebukes. |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 30, 2024 18:04:18 GMT -6
I got say, it seems like some folks here have suddenly given up on The Plan now that the guy they wanted didn't get picked... which, I mean, I get it. they didn't take who I wanted, either. am I happy about it? not really. however, we still have Bedard. we still have an ever growing prospect pool. if anything, these are positives we can embrace. if KfC is here for a couple more years and we aren't getting any better, I highly doubt the powers that be continue to allow the team to flail, especially with Danny Boy getting more involved now. he will get replaced and then the new GM will have a prospect pool that is busting at the seams. I also wanted to mention, again, that this year's draft was never supposed to be all that great. I know it is easy to get enamored with prospects, especially with all the fluff that comes out about them in the lead up to the draft. as I've said, if you look back at the The Run, in some of those drafts we got a whopping one player. for reference, with round taken in (): 02 draft: Keith (2), Wiz (5), Burish (9). 6 other picks that failed. 03: Seabs (1), Crow (2), Buff (9). 7 other picks failed. 04: Bolly (2), Bicks (2), I guess Barker (1), Brouwer (7). 13(!) other picks failed. 05: Hammer (4). 11 other picks failed. 06: Tazer (duh). 7 other picks failed. 07: Kane (duh). 6 other picks failed. I'll stop there, but in the next two we got Kruger and Ben Smith and that was it. the point being, this is going to take time. the only problem, if that is what you want to call it, is we got the headliner early on, vs at the tail end. this has lead to higher expectations earlier on, but patience is necessary right now. we have some guys in place already. KK looks like he could be a top 4. Vlasic is already a top 4. there are others in the pool that should be middle to bottom pairing guys and Levshunov, provided he can put it all together, *could* be the headliner. we have a superstar in 98. we have lots of forwards that have potential, we need a few of them to pan out. finally, we have cap space flying out of our ass and we will (hopefully) continue to have that for a couple more years. I know a lot of people want to use it now, but I feel like KfC and Co know what we don't have and they know in a couple years we will need that cap space to address the missing pieces. until then, we have to be frugal. we are a helluva lot further down rebuild road now than we were 3 years ago. over the next 2-3 seasons we should be seeing a few guys that will be part of the next Run, but they need to marinate now. it won't all happen at once, it is going to be a trickle. let's see what we have in Frankie, Slags, EDM, and maybe even Dach 2.0 this season. hopefully a couple of them stick. I guess what I am trying to say is: keep your heads up, boys! this path is tedious and patience is the order of the day until we are basking in the light at the end of this tunnel... Rebuilds are hard and we all want it to accerlerate particularly that we have the franchise player already. Players like Tkachuk and Eichel both who wanted out were all acquired via trade so it is important that you keep a healthy cap situation and add to your prospect pool to be in position to trade for the next superstar who wants out and it will happen |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 30, 2024 18:20:24 GMT -6
I got say, it seems like some folks here have suddenly given up on The Plan now that the guy they wanted didn't get picked... which, I mean, I get it. they didn't take who I wanted, either. am I happy about it? not really. however, we still have Bedard. we still have an ever growing prospect pool. if anything, these are positives we can embrace. if KfC is here for a couple more years and we aren't getting any better, I highly doubt the powers that be continue to allow the team to flail, especially with Danny Boy getting more involved now. he will get replaced and then the new GM will have a prospect pool that is busting at the seams. I also wanted to mention, again, that this year's draft was never supposed to be all that great. I know it is easy to get enamored with prospects, especially with all the fluff that comes out about them in the lead up to the draft. as I've said, if you look back at the The Run, in some of those drafts we got a whopping one player. for reference, with round taken in (): 02 draft: Keith (2), Wiz (5), Burish (9). 6 other picks that failed. 03: Seabs (1), Crow (2), Buff (9). 7 other picks failed. 04: Bolly (2), Bicks (2), I guess Barker (1), Brouwer (7). 13(!) other picks failed. 05: Hammer (4). 11 other picks failed. 06: Tazer (duh). 7 other picks failed. 07: Kane (duh). 6 other picks failed. I'll stop there, but in the next two we got Kruger and Ben Smith and that was it. the point being, this is going to take time. the only problem, if that is what you want to call it, is we got the headliner early on, vs at the tail end. this has lead to higher expectations earlier on, but patience is necessary right now. we have some guys in place already. KK looks like he could be a top 4. Vlasic is already a top 4. there are others in the pool that should be middle to bottom pairing guys and Levshunov, provided he can put it all together, *could* be the headliner. we have a superstar in 98. we have lots of forwards that have potential, we need a few of them to pan out. finally, we have cap space flying out of our ass and we will (hopefully) continue to have that for a couple more years. I know a lot of people want to use it now, but I feel like KfC and Co know what we don't have and they know in a couple years we will need that cap space to address the missing pieces. until then, we have to be frugal. we are a helluva lot further down rebuild road now than we were 3 years ago. over the next 2-3 seasons we should be seeing a few guys that will be part of the next Run, but they need to marinate now. it won't all happen at once, it is going to be a trickle. let's see what we have in Frankie, Slags, EDM, and maybe even Dach 2.0 this season. hopefully a couple of them stick. I guess what I am trying to say is: keep your heads up, boys! this path is tedious and patience is the order of the day until we are basking in the light at the end of this tunnel... Some posters just love to bitch and complain and can't see the big picture. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 30, 2024 18:28:04 GMT -6
I got say, it seems like some folks here have suddenly given up on The Plan now that the guy they wanted didn't get picked... which, I mean, I get it. they didn't take who I wanted, either. am I happy about it? not really. however, we still have Bedard. we still have an ever growing prospect pool. if anything, these are positives we can embrace. if KfC is here for a couple more years and we aren't getting any better, I highly doubt the powers that be continue to allow the team to flail, especially with Danny Boy getting more involved now. he will get replaced and then the new GM will have a prospect pool that is busting at the seams. I also wanted to mention, again, that this year's draft was never supposed to be all that great. I know it is easy to get enamored with prospects, especially with all the fluff that comes out about them in the lead up to the draft. as I've said, if you look back at the The Run, in some of those drafts we got a whopping one player. for reference, with round taken in (): 02 draft: Keith (2), Wiz (5), Burish (9). 6 other picks that failed. 03: Seabs (1), Crow (2), Buff (9). 7 other picks failed. 04: Bolly (2), Bicks (2), I guess Barker (1), Brouwer (7). 13(!) other picks failed. 05: Hammer (4). 11 other picks failed. 06: Tazer (duh). 7 other picks failed. 07: Kane (duh). 6 other picks failed. I'll stop there, but in the next two we got Kruger and Ben Smith and that was it. the point being, this is going to take time. the only problem, if that is what you want to call it, is we got the headliner early on, vs at the tail end. this has lead to higher expectations earlier on, but patience is necessary right now. we have some guys in place already. KK looks like he could be a top 4. Vlasic is already a top 4. there are others in the pool that should be middle to bottom pairing guys and Levshunov, provided he can put it all together, *could* be the headliner. we have a superstar in 98. we have lots of forwards that have potential, we need a few of them to pan out. finally, we have cap space flying out of our ass and we will (hopefully) continue to have that for a couple more years. I know a lot of people want to use it now, but I feel like KfC and Co know what we don't have and they know in a couple years we will need that cap space to address the missing pieces. until then, we have to be frugal. we are a helluva lot further down rebuild road now than we were 3 years ago. over the next 2-3 seasons we should be seeing a few guys that will be part of the next Run, but they need to marinate now. it won't all happen at once, it is going to be a trickle. let's see what we have in Frankie, Slags, EDM, and maybe even Dach 2.0 this season. hopefully a couple of them stick. I guess what I am trying to say is: keep your heads up, boys! this path is tedious and patience is the order of the day until we are basking in the light at the end of this tunnel... Thanks for your research. What impressed me the most about your summaries is something I knew already, but had no real knowledge of the true numbers associated with the number of failures from the drafts. Yikes, those are a huge number of failures. That is one reason why I don't get excited about these draft picks. I'll wait and see how they develop and what free agents they acquire. I just wish it weren't so damn slow to get to the end of this road. This is worse than doing 10 kph on the Trans Canada. A lot were failures but also look at the number of picks they had, usually 1 per round, KDs 8 first round picks is the most in a 3yr period in 50yrs. Korchinski and Bedard are NHLers, Nazar will most likely be in Chicago next season, Moore, Rinzel and Levshunov will be in the NHL, and the many guys drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds are progressing, some are signed and turning pro. The numbers alone suggest they'll find a gem or two. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 30, 2024 19:33:12 GMT -6
If Greene or Misiak become the 2C I can see Boisvert on Bedards wing, and he is a powerforward, the guy hits hard and fights. Plus he described himself as a skilled powerforward, scouts call him that as well. He needs to work on his straight ahead speed but he has great edgework and hands, plus his shot is very heavy, like a powerforward. fair enough. he is awfully skinny, maybe that is why I wasn't thinking power forward in his case. he does have a pretty good shot and is less of a playmaker, so perhaps he does end up in that role. I'm hoping he is a 2LC or 3LC, personally. hoping we can find someone a bit more high end to play with 98. He's in the mid 180s but he's strong, most sites say he's 6'2", Sportsnet said he was 6'3", but he has the frame to add weight and with how hard he's been training since he was a little kid, Goodman will get him on a plan to bulk up. Dave Reid loved this pick, said when he first saw him live the first shift he almost hit a guy out of the rink, got back to break up a play and nearly scored with a slapshot that almost broke the glass. SN also showed a video of him when he was 9 at the Bell Centre when his team was invited to play between periods, he went end to end showing great edgework, hands, IQ, and shot when he sniped after a nice deke. At the Brick Tournament he had 4 goals in 6gms, he had 57g-54a=111pts in 66gms his season of U15 AAA before going to Muskegon in the USHL, 17g-28a his first season are good numbers, more than doubled his goal output last season with 36 and had 32 assists. He's projected as a 2C but if Bedard can't progress at faceoffs he could be Bedards center and bodyguard. |
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Post by Tater on Jul 1, 2024 3:02:35 GMT -6
I got say, it seems like some folks here have suddenly given up on The Plan now that the guy they wanted didn't get picked... which, I mean, I get it. they didn't take who I wanted, either. am I happy about it? not really. however, we still have Bedard. we still have an ever growing prospect pool. if anything, these are positives we can embrace. if KfC is here for a couple more years and we aren't getting any better, I highly doubt the powers that be continue to allow the team to flail, especially with Danny Boy getting more involved now. he will get replaced and then the new GM will have a prospect pool that is busting at the seams. I also wanted to mention, again, that this year's draft was never supposed to be all that great. I know it is easy to get enamored with prospects, especially with all the fluff that comes out about them in the lead up to the draft. as I've said, if you look back at the The Run, in some of those drafts we got a whopping one player. for reference, with round taken in (): 02 draft: Keith (2), Wiz (5), Burish (9). 6 other picks that failed. 03: Seabs (1), Crow (2), Buff (9). 7 other picks failed. 04: Bolly (2), Bicks (2), I guess Barker (1), Brouwer (7). 13(!) other picks failed. 05: Hammer (4). 11 other picks failed. 06: Tazer (duh). 7 other picks failed. 07: Kane (duh). 6 other picks failed. I'll stop there, but in the next two we got Kruger and Ben Smith and that was it. the point being, this is going to take time. the only problem, if that is what you want to call it, is we got the headliner early on, vs at the tail end. this has lead to higher expectations earlier on, but patience is necessary right now. we have some guys in place already. KK looks like he could be a top 4. Vlasic is already a top 4. there are others in the pool that should be middle to bottom pairing guys and Levshunov, provided he can put it all together, *could* be the headliner. we have a superstar in 98. we have lots of forwards that have potential, we need a few of them to pan out. finally, we have cap space flying out of our ass and we will (hopefully) continue to have that for a couple more years. I know a lot of people want to use it now, but I feel like KfC and Co know what we don't have and they know in a couple years we will need that cap space to address the missing pieces. until then, we have to be frugal. we are a helluva lot further down rebuild road now than we were 3 years ago. over the next 2-3 seasons we should be seeing a few guys that will be part of the next Run, but they need to marinate now. it won't all happen at once, it is going to be a trickle. let's see what we have in Frankie, Slags, EDM, and maybe even Dach 2.0 this season. hopefully a couple of them stick. I guess what I am trying to say is: keep your heads up, boys! this path is tedious and patience is the order of the day until we are basking in the light at the end of this tunnel...
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2024 5:17:39 GMT -6
If Verbeek didn't go off the board and took Lindstrom, Columbus would've made that trade with Chicago and the Hawks would've had Levshunov and Demidov. So f*ck you Verbeek.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jul 1, 2024 5:33:02 GMT -6
OK, after a couple sleeps and a good deal of reflection - I come to offer an apology for my incessant whining over the last little while. I detest whining, especially when the whiner is me. Sorry to behave like such a bore.
Now - on to looking forward. I have no idea if the rest of the draftees are worth a spit, but Levshunov should be at the least a serviceable member of the rebuilt core and hopefully as good as KD and staff project him to be.
Just from a size perspective - the young d-corps is encouraging.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 1, 2024 6:01:43 GMT -6
^^^I see the whiny little bitch is back...
Haha...just hacking ya'.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 1, 2024 6:49:20 GMT -6
OK, after a couple sleeps and a good deal of reflection - I come to offer an apology for my incessant whining over the last little while. I detest whining, especially when the whiner is me. Sorry to behave like such a bore. Now - on to looking forward. I have no idea if the rest of the draftees are worth a spit, but Levshunov should be at the least a serviceable member of the rebuilt core and hopefully as good as KD and staff project him to be. Just from a size perspective - the young d-corps is encouraging. Good to hear ER with me sitting through game this year I will once again need your positivity to help get me through. Now lets go get some free agents!! |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 1, 2024 7:22:21 GMT -6
Since Boisvert played in the USHL, you figure this had a chance of happening. Look who he scores against.
They'll get to go against each other again this upcoming season in college.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2024 7:32:04 GMT -6
Since Boisvert played in the USHL, you figure this had a chance of happening. Look who he scores against. They'll get to go against each other again this upcoming season in college. Wicked snipe on Gajan, seemed to surprise him with the speed and accuracy. He gets off hard shots with little space. His one timer is impressive as well, looks like Stamkos. Levshunov and Korchinski are gonna have fun setting up Bedard and Boisvert for one timers, maybe all four will be on the PP one day. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 1, 2024 9:12:00 GMT -6
I got say, it seems like some folks here have suddenly given up on The Plan now that the guy they wanted didn't get picked... which, I mean, I get it. they didn't take who I wanted, either. am I happy about it? not really. however, we still have Bedard. we still have an ever growing prospect pool. if anything, these are positives we can embrace. if KfC is here for a couple more years and we aren't getting any better, I highly doubt the powers that be continue to allow the team to flail, especially with Danny Boy getting more involved now. he will get replaced and then the new GM will have a prospect pool that is busting at the seams. I also wanted to mention, again, that this year's draft was never supposed to be all that great. I know it is easy to get enamored with prospects, especially with all the fluff that comes out about them in the lead up to the draft. as I've said, if you look back at the The Run, in some of those drafts we got a whopping one player. for reference, with round taken in (): 02 draft: Keith (2), Wiz (5), Burish (9). 6 other picks that failed. 03: Seabs (1), Crow (2), Buff (9). 7 other picks failed. 04: Bolly (2), Bicks (2), I guess Barker (1), Brouwer (7). 13(!) other picks failed. 05: Hammer (4). 11 other picks failed. 06: Tazer (duh). 7 other picks failed. 07: Kane (duh). 6 other picks failed. I'll stop there, but in the next two we got Kruger and Ben Smith and that was it. the point being, this is going to take time. the only problem, if that is what you want to call it, is we got the headliner early on, vs at the tail end. this has lead to higher expectations earlier on, but patience is necessary right now. we have some guys in place already. KK looks like he could be a top 4. Vlasic is already a top 4. there are others in the pool that should be middle to bottom pairing guys and Levshunov, provided he can put it all together, *could* be the headliner. we have a superstar in 98. we have lots of forwards that have potential, we need a few of them to pan out. finally, we have cap space flying out of our ass and we will (hopefully) continue to have that for a couple more years. I know a lot of people want to use it now, but I feel like KfC and Co know what we don't have and they know in a couple years we will need that cap space to address the missing pieces. until then, we have to be frugal. we are a helluva lot further down rebuild road now than we were 3 years ago. over the next 2-3 seasons we should be seeing a few guys that will be part of the next Run, but they need to marinate now. it won't all happen at once, it is going to be a trickle. let's see what we have in Frankie, Slags, EDM, and maybe even Dach 2.0 this season. hopefully a couple of them stick. I guess what I am trying to say is: keep your heads up, boys! this path is tedious and patience is the order of the day until we are basking in the light at the end of this tunnel... Rebuilds are hard and we all want it to accerlerate particularly that we have the franchise player already. Players like Tkachuk and Eichel both who wanted out were all acquired via trade so it is important that you keep a healthy cap situation and add to your prospect pool to be in position to trade for the next superstar who wants out and it will happen I just want a more competitive team and atmosphere so the next superstar who wants out isn't ours. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 1, 2024 9:15:16 GMT -6
I got say, it seems like some folks here have suddenly given up on The Plan now that the guy they wanted didn't get picked... which, I mean, I get it. they didn't take who I wanted, either. am I happy about it? not really. however, we still have Bedard. we still have an ever growing prospect pool. if anything, these are positives we can embrace. if KfC is here for a couple more years and we aren't getting any better, I highly doubt the powers that be continue to allow the team to flail, especially with Danny Boy getting more involved now. he will get replaced and then the new GM will have a prospect pool that is busting at the seams. I also wanted to mention, again, that this year's draft was never supposed to be all that great. I know it is easy to get enamored with prospects, especially with all the fluff that comes out about them in the lead up to the draft. as I've said, if you look back at the The Run, in some of those drafts we got a whopping one player. for reference, with round taken in (): 02 draft: Keith (2), Wiz (5), Burish (9). 6 other picks that failed. 03: Seabs (1), Crow (2), Buff (9). 7 other picks failed. 04: Bolly (2), Bicks (2), I guess Barker (1), Brouwer (7). 13(!) other picks failed. 05: Hammer (4). 11 other picks failed. 06: Tazer (duh). 7 other picks failed. 07: Kane (duh). 6 other picks failed. I'll stop there, but in the next two we got Kruger and Ben Smith and that was it. the point being, this is going to take time. the only problem, if that is what you want to call it, is we got the headliner early on, vs at the tail end. this has lead to higher expectations earlier on, but patience is necessary right now. we have some guys in place already. KK looks like he could be a top 4. Vlasic is already a top 4. there are others in the pool that should be middle to bottom pairing guys and Levshunov, provided he can put it all together, *could* be the headliner. we have a superstar in 98. we have lots of forwards that have potential, we need a few of them to pan out. finally, we have cap space flying out of our ass and we will (hopefully) continue to have that for a couple more years. I know a lot of people want to use it now, but I feel like KfC and Co know what we don't have and they know in a couple years we will need that cap space to address the missing pieces. until then, we have to be frugal. we are a helluva lot further down rebuild road now than we were 3 years ago. over the next 2-3 seasons we should be seeing a few guys that will be part of the next Run, but they need to marinate now. it won't all happen at once, it is going to be a trickle. let's see what we have in Frankie, Slags, EDM, and maybe even Dach 2.0 this season. hopefully a couple of them stick. I guess what I am trying to say is: keep your heads up, boys! this path is tedious and patience is the order of the day until we are basking in the light at the end of this tunnel... Some posters just love to bitch and complain and can't see the big picture. And others follow along with a 'Swiftie-like' infatuation and a belief their new GM can do no wrong. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2024 9:44:57 GMT -6
I got say, it seems like some folks here have suddenly given up on The Plan now that the guy they wanted didn't get picked... which, I mean, I get it. they didn't take who I wanted, either. am I happy about it? not really. however, we still have Bedard. we still have an ever growing prospect pool. if anything, these are positives we can embrace. if KfC is here for a couple more years and we aren't getting any better, I highly doubt the powers that be continue to allow the team to flail, especially with Danny Boy getting more involved now. he will get replaced and then the new GM will have a prospect pool that is busting at the seams. I also wanted to mention, again, that this year's draft was never supposed to be all that great. I know it is easy to get enamored with prospects, especially with all the fluff that comes out about them in the lead up to the draft. as I've said, if you look back at the The Run, in some of those drafts we got a whopping one player. for reference, with round taken in (): 02 draft: Keith (2), Wiz (5), Burish (9). 6 other picks that failed. 03: Seabs (1), Crow (2), Buff (9). 7 other picks failed. 04: Bolly (2), Bicks (2), I guess Barker (1), Brouwer (7). 13(!) other picks failed. 05: Hammer (4). 11 other picks failed. 06: Tazer (duh). 7 other picks failed. 07: Kane (duh). 6 other picks failed. I'll stop there, but in the next two we got Kruger and Ben Smith and that was it. the point being, this is going to take time. the only problem, if that is what you want to call it, is we got the headliner early on, vs at the tail end. this has lead to higher expectations earlier on, but patience is necessary right now. we have some guys in place already. KK looks like he could be a top 4. Vlasic is already a top 4. there are others in the pool that should be middle to bottom pairing guys and Levshunov, provided he can put it all together, *could* be the headliner. we have a superstar in 98. we have lots of forwards that have potential, we need a few of them to pan out. finally, we have cap space flying out of our ass and we will (hopefully) continue to have that for a couple more years. I know a lot of people want to use it now, but I feel like KfC and Co know what we don't have and they know in a couple years we will need that cap space to address the missing pieces. until then, we have to be frugal. we are a helluva lot further down rebuild road now than we were 3 years ago. over the next 2-3 seasons we should be seeing a few guys that will be part of the next Run, but they need to marinate now. it won't all happen at once, it is going to be a trickle. let's see what we have in Frankie, Slags, EDM, and maybe even Dach 2.0 this season. hopefully a couple of them stick. I guess what I am trying to say is: keep your heads up, boys! this path is tedious and patience is the order of the day until we are basking in the light at the end of this tunnel... I’m only commenting on the fact that most players don’t make it. So when we as fans talk about a 3rd or 4th rounder with size. That’s not where you’re gonna get it. The first round is where most players come from, the 2nd round is the next best. After that maybe 2-3 players from the 3rd round make it. 1-2 make it from the 4th round. Etc. So all the players the Hawks have taken after the 2nd round. It’s very hard for them to make it. Especially when they have has 8 first rounders, and about the same in the 2nd round. I’m saying they cannot make it, it’s just more likely the higher picked kids will make it. Your post proved that once again. So the Hawks probably need 8-10 guys make it from the draft. The rest will be used to trade and get the pieces they need!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2024 9:51:21 GMT -6
I got say, it seems like some folks here have suddenly given up on The Plan now that the guy they wanted didn't get picked... which, I mean, I get it. they didn't take who I wanted, either. am I happy about it? not really. however, we still have Bedard. we still have an ever growing prospect pool. if anything, these are positives we can embrace. if KfC is here for a couple more years and we aren't getting any better, I highly doubt the powers that be continue to allow the team to flail, especially with Danny Boy getting more involved now. he will get replaced and then the new GM will have a prospect pool that is busting at the seams. I also wanted to mention, again, that this year's draft was never supposed to be all that great. I know it is easy to get enamored with prospects, especially with all the fluff that comes out about them in the lead up to the draft. as I've said, if you look back at the The Run, in some of those drafts we got a whopping one player. for reference, with round taken in (): 02 draft: Keith (2), Wiz (5), Burish (9). 6 other picks that failed. 03: Seabs (1), Crow (2), Buff (9). 7 other picks failed. 04: Bolly (2), Bicks (2), I guess Barker (1), Brouwer (7). 13(!) other picks failed. 05: Hammer (4). 11 other picks failed. 06: Tazer (duh). 7 other picks failed. 07: Kane (duh). 6 other picks failed. I'll stop there, but in the next two we got Kruger and Ben Smith and that was it. the point being, this is going to take time. the only problem, if that is what you want to call it, is we got the headliner early on, vs at the tail end. this has lead to higher expectations earlier on, but patience is necessary right now. we have some guys in place already. KK looks like he could be a top 4. Vlasic is already a top 4. there are others in the pool that should be middle to bottom pairing guys and Levshunov, provided he can put it all together, *could* be the headliner. we have a superstar in 98. we have lots of forwards that have potential, we need a few of them to pan out. finally, we have cap space flying out of our ass and we will (hopefully) continue to have that for a couple more years. I know a lot of people want to use it now, but I feel like KfC and Co know what we don't have and they know in a couple years we will need that cap space to address the missing pieces. until then, we have to be frugal. we are a helluva lot further down rebuild road now than we were 3 years ago. over the next 2-3 seasons we should be seeing a few guys that will be part of the next Run, but they need to marinate now. it won't all happen at once, it is going to be a trickle. let's see what we have in Frankie, Slags, EDM, and maybe even Dach 2.0 this season. hopefully a couple of them stick. I guess what I am trying to say is: keep your heads up, boys! this path is tedious and patience is the order of the day until we are basking in the light at the end of this tunnel... I’m only commenting on the fact that most players don’t make it. So when we as fans talk about a 3rd or 4th rounder with size. That’s not where you’re gonna get it. The first round is where most players come from, the 2nd round is the next best. After that maybe 2-3 players from the 3rd round make it. 1-2 make it from the 4th round. Etc. So all the players the Hawks have taken after the 2nd round. It’s very hard for them to make it. Especially when they have has 8 first rounders, and about the same in the 2nd round. I’m saying they cannot make it, it’s just more likely the higher picked kids will make it. Your post proved that once again. So the Hawks probably need 8-10 guys make it from the draft. The rest will be used to trade and get the pieces they need!!! No shit not everyone makes it, especially after the 2nd round, but when KD is drafting multiple players in each round it helps the odds. |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 1, 2024 9:51:57 GMT -6
Rebuilds are hard and we all want it to accerlerate particularly that we have the franchise player already. Players like Tkachuk and Eichel both who wanted out were all acquired via trade so it is important that you keep a healthy cap situation and add to your prospect pool to be in position to trade for the next superstar who wants out and it will happen I just want a more competitive team and atmosphere so the next superstar who wants out isn't ours. We all want a competitive team, it has been painful to watch the last couple of years, so hopefully 2024-2025 is a start. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2024 10:02:39 GMT -6
Some posters just love to bitch and complain and can't see the big picture. And others follow along with a 'Swiftie-like' infatuation and a belief their new GM can do no wrong. I prefer a Swiftie over a Debbie Downer. I don't think KD can do no wrong but I like his moves a lot more than Bowmans. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 1, 2024 10:33:39 GMT -6
And others follow along with a 'Swiftie-like' infatuation and a belief their new GM can do no wrong. I prefer a Swiftie over a Debbie Downer. I don't think KD can do no wrong but I like his moves a lot more than Bowmans. I believe KD is leaning heavily on the associate GM, Macgyver. As well as assistant GM's, Eaton and Hunter. Advisor in Soupy. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 1, 2024 12:04:23 GMT -6
And others follow along with a 'Swiftie-like' infatuation and a belief their new GM can do no wrong. I prefer a Swiftie over a Debbie Downer. I don't think KD can do no wrong but I like his moves a lot more than Bowmans. Regardless of what either one of us thinks of the guy,when it's all said and done,results are the only thing that'll matter. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2024 13:52:18 GMT -6
I prefer a Swiftie over a Debbie Downer. I don't think KD can do no wrong but I like his moves a lot more than Bowmans. I believe KD is leaning heavily on the associate GM, Macgyver. As well as assistant GM's, Eaton and Hunter. Advisor in Soupy. And Luke, he was sitting with Maciver and KD during the draft. Unlike the last guy, KD actually listens and takes their advice into consideration. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 1, 2024 14:33:08 GMT -6
This is the Chipotle All American Prospects Game, from back in January. John Mustard scored the OT winner for Team White.
Boisvert was on Team Blue, but didn't score.
Go to 2:37.
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