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Post by squishy24 on Nov 29, 2023 23:11:46 GMT -6
Beginning to think when they said about alcohol and sponsors. Wonder if there was a meet and greet and CP got drunk and insulted someone. Latest rumor is an altercation with a team employee, probably alcohol involved. And that NHL and NHLPA were contacted as soon as the Hawks mgmt found out about it and thats why all the secrecy and privacy. IMO it has to be more than just this. I mean, the punishment has to fit the crime, right? Seems excessive for something minor. Has to be something so bad but doesnt involve the police or legal issues, those would be public. Im thinking maybe, and its a big IF, its something he said like anti-semitic rant or anti-woke or some political stuff that is a hot topic right now. Anything physical would be assault and thus public |
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Post by BigT on Nov 30, 2023 6:57:40 GMT -6
Beginning to think when they said about alcohol and sponsors. Wonder if there was a meet and greet and CP got drunk and insulted someone. It had better be worthy of his contract termination. Perry is well respected around the league. He’s had a great career. If they sewer him for very little just to try and prove the Hawks mean business when it comes to any internal problem. They will have a very hard time keeping guys and attracting guys to Chicago. They could even lose Bedard over this. It had better be big!!! |
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Post by BigT on Nov 30, 2023 7:58:07 GMT -6
I just got a call from a buddy in London. I heard the story. It’s out there now. It involves Perry and Caley Chelios. Normally I wouldn’t post this stuff. But it’s gonna be out there real soon. If not already. I heard the rest of the story but not gonna post it. The Hawks also need to save face here. This stems all the way back to Tampa when Perry played there!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 30, 2023 9:27:18 GMT -6
I just got a call from a buddy in London. I heard the story. It’s out there now. It involves Perry and Caley Chelios. Normally I wouldn’t post this stuff. But it’s gonna be out there real soon. If not already. I heard the rest of the story but not gonna post it. The Hawks also need to save face here. This stems all the way back to Tampa when Perry played there!!! I heard that rumor yesterday, so it's already making it's rounds on social media. |
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Post by malagahawks on Nov 30, 2023 9:41:18 GMT -6
Enviado desde mi SM-A145R mediante Tapatalk
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Post by BigT on Nov 30, 2023 9:48:30 GMT -6
I just got a call from a buddy in London. I heard the story. It’s out there now. It involves Perry and Caley Chelios. Normally I wouldn’t post this stuff. But it’s gonna be out there real soon. If not already. I heard the rest of the story but not gonna post it. The Hawks also need to save face here. This stems all the way back to Tampa when Perry played there!!! I heard that rumor yesterday, so it's already making it's rounds on social media. This one ain’t a rumour. That’s why I posted it. She’s pregnant. They had a blow up in Nashville. Papa Cheli got involved and Perry is gone. Now, does she save her job too? She did the same thing he did!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 30, 2023 9:53:43 GMT -6
Nah. Seabrook removed Chelios' stench. We just need a good 94. Now the question is who will remove Kanes stench. Chelios got traded to the Wings. Kane Chose to go there. I just don't understand the hate you have for the guy to be honest. I know you were pissed at him last spring but he wasn't bringing a 1st with one good wheel even if he gave the team a few more options,he had every right to shut it down at that point and get the procedure then but he went to NY and fetched a 2nd. The MF'r! The choice he didn't have was signing in Chicago,he was told publicly he wasn't wanted. Neither he or Chelios asked to be traded but Chelios' 'stench' came from his words and deeds after being traded.........what 'stench' did Kane leave? |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 30, 2023 9:55:51 GMT -6
I agree with the on-ice antics,which I've mentioned myself but I believe his off-ice reputation has stood unblemished for two decades and his veteran leadership was on display up until last Tuesday. This might sound like a contradiction since I'm the guy who termed him a "four million dollar douche bag" but he was far from that in his short time here,he was actually everything the FO said he'd be up until that point.......I think we can all agree. LR's referral woulda been good for me too,the guy's the real deal IMO. He and Foligno are also close,Richardson helped the rookie quite a bit in Ottawa way back in '08-09',Richardson's last season. I was really just hoping for something more benign like a blow-up with a team official,it's hard to imagine a 38yro,with 20 years in the league and 8 in his marriage having an indiscretion at this point in his career. Can the young GM say what it's not and call the conduct "disgusting" without explanation? Correy Perry has a very possible HoF career and reputation to protect,it'll be interesting to see when,how and even IF he does. I thought "disgusting" was the term Davidson used to describe the rumors, not Perry's conduct. I believe Nikos and I stand corrected on that. |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 30, 2023 10:10:30 GMT -6
Now the question is who will remove Kanes stench. Chelios got traded to the Wings. Kane Chose to go there. I just don't understand the hate you have for the guy to be honest. I know you were pissed at him last spring but he wasn't bringing a 1st with one good wheel even if he gave the team a few more options,he had every right to shut it down at that point and get the procedure then but he went to NY and fetched a 2nd. The MF'r! The choice he didn't have was signing in Chicago,he was told publicly he wasn't wanted. Neither he or Chelios asked to be traded but Chelios' 'stench' came from his words and deeds after being traded.........what 'stench' did Kane leave? just like I don't understand the hate for Chelios. He was proud to be a Hawk, just like Kane. The Hawks didn't want him anymore, just like Kane. The Hawks chose to trade Chelios to one or our biggest rivals. Kane CHOSE to sign as a free agent with that same team. But Kane also dicked around in my opinion and forced the Hawks to trade him to 1 team, drastically lowering the value for a future HOF. That's why I'm pissed off at him. My right to that opinion. |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 30, 2023 10:21:29 GMT -6
Enviado desde mi SM-A145R mediante Tapatalk English please. Everyone else only communicates in English |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 30, 2023 10:49:32 GMT -6
I just don't understand the hate you have for the guy to be honest. I know you were pissed at him last spring but he wasn't bringing a 1st with one good wheel even if he gave the team a few more options,he had every right to shut it down at that point and get the procedure then but he went to NY and fetched a 2nd. The MF'r! The choice he didn't have was signing in Chicago,he was told publicly he wasn't wanted. Neither he or Chelios asked to be traded but Chelios' 'stench' came from his words and deeds after being traded.........what 'stench' did Kane leave? just like I don't understand the hate for Chelios. He was proud to be a Hawk, just like Kane. The Hawks didn't want him anymore, just like Kane. The Hawks chose to trade Chelios to one or our biggest rivals. Kane CHOSE to sign as a free agent with that same team. But Kane also dicked around in my opinion and forced the Hawks to trade him to 1 team, drastically lowering the value for a future HOF. That's why I'm pissed off at him. My right to that opinion. Trading Chelios after he signed a team friendly deal and set-up family and business roots in Chicago was ridiculous,we can agree on that, but his actions afterward turned a lot of Hawk fans off after winning a cup in Detroit........and none here I'll point-out. Kane didn't ask to be traded last spring after winning three cups in Chicago and he was un-invited back,why should he not sign with any team at that point? I've pointed-out Phily getting a 1st and Tippett for same aged Giroux who had only Florida on his full NTC list the year before but to be fair to our young GM,Giroux was healthy. Patrick Kane was in the midst of the worst season of his career and playing in pain.....this was well known around the league. A selfish player woulda shut it down early and had the procedure then in preparation for the upcoming UFA season. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 30, 2023 10:53:28 GMT -6
I heard that rumor yesterday, so it's already making it's rounds on social media. This one ain’t a rumour. That’s why I posted it. She’s pregnant. They had a blow up in Nashville. Papa Cheli got involved and Perry is gone. Now, does she save her job too? She did the same thing he did!!! Perry did come here to be a father figure..........'Paternity Barbie'? |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 30, 2023 10:54:10 GMT -6
Beginning to think when they said about alcohol and sponsors. Wonder if there was a meet and greet and CP got drunk and insulted someone. It had better be worthy of his contract termination. Perry is well respected around the league. He’s had a great career. If they sewer him for very little just to try and prove the Hawks mean business when it comes to any internal problem. They will have a very hard time keeping guys and attracting guys to Chicago. They could even lose Bedard over this. It had better be big!!! You would have to assume that if there was a legal way to fight whatever "reason" the was for the contract termination as not worthy of it, Perry's lawyer would be all over it like Kessel on a hot dog. Given the 'hawks recent media presence for the negative, the last thing they would need is a lawsuit over breaking a contract without clause. Thus, whatever the reason, I think it would stand that Perry did indeed do something that violated his contract. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 30, 2023 11:07:52 GMT -6
It had better be worthy of his contract termination. Perry is well respected around the league. He’s had a great career. If they sewer him for very little just to try and prove the Hawks mean business when it comes to any internal problem. They will have a very hard time keeping guys and attracting guys to Chicago. They could even lose Bedard over this. It had better be big!!! You would have to assume that if there was a legal way to fight whatever "reason" the was for the contract termination as not worthy of it, Perry's lawyer would be all over it like Kessel on a hot dog. Given the 'hawks recent media presence for the negative, the last thing they would need is a lawsuit over breaking a contract without clause. Thus, whatever the reason, I think it would stand that Perry did indeed do something that violated his contract. How much longer can Perry's side stay quiet? If I'm not mistaken,any team can sign him for any amount now that his contract has been terminated,will interested teams know the nature of his conduct? Will there be a grievance filed on his part? Does he dispute these charges or does the 'dead rabbit' speak for itself? |
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 30, 2023 11:43:37 GMT -6
Will "internal personnel matter and we'll leave it at that" suffice with the league,the PA or interested teams? I believe KD stated that the team's decision was conveyed to and cleared by (though I may have misinterpreted the comment) the NHLPA as a straightforward code of conduct matter. I assume that CP could still pursue a grievance against the team - and if he does, is it fair to assume that that grievance and evidence/arguments about the contract termination would become public knowledge then? If so, and CP really feels like he got screwed in this instance (no pun intended), he could bring this forward. He could also just step forward now to address this with the media, but his agent is probably suggesting he lay low (again, no pun intended). For the team to provide more detail now would be to likely expose a staffer who is not otherwise seeking the media attention this whole thing is getting - at least he/she has not sought the attention by stepping forward yet (maybe on advise of his/her counsel). That staffer may hypothetically be traumatized and, therefore, does not need a circus atmosphere added to daily life right now. So if there is any basis to pursue civil action against the org as a consequence, I can see why the org would be careful in how much they disclose now. To disclose the nature of all this would likely impact that staffer's immediate privacy interest. Alternatively, if there is a potential claim by the staffer against CP, then this will most certainly come out in a court filing if that person wants to come forward. I am guessing that the organization is trying to be as cooperative here as it can where CP left them (the organization) a sh-t sandwich to deal with in the run-up to the Columbus game, about something that happened that many of us wish did not (grudgingly, I was warming up to Perry in the Indianhead), whatever it is. I can understand the limitation of disclosure likely being advised by organizational counsel so far - yesterday's press conference sounded like the standard "be forthcoming but do not go into significant detail" - hell, the staffer may be seeking counsel now so the team would be loathe to step out too far just yet. I have no doubt that this is being handled 180-degree differently than the prior regime and that is one positive. Time will tell on what we all can learn. No team could have forced KD to reveal the details while making a waiver inquiry. My guess is that it would have been Perry's call. Either authorize KD to spill the beans and roll the dice on how that might affect some other team's interest; or tell KD he can't do it and potentially squash some team's interest in claiming him off waivers. I guess that no matter the reason, no team took Perry off waivers. So, now the Hawks are free to cancel his contract under its code of conduct provisions. I further assume the Hawks will no longer owe him a dime. Is that correct? I assume that Perry will have to accept the termination decision unless he wants the details aired in a NHLPA proceeding or a civil suit. If no team claimed him off waivers maybe it was just the contract amount that was the problem rather than details of the conduct code violation. Thus, Perry's career might be over unless he tries to get back next year for less money. There might not be many suitors. Whatever he did, I hope it was worth about $3M to him. My calculation is based on having played about 1/4 of the season, so he was paid the $1M due and he will not be getting the other $3M due on his contract as a result of the termination. If my calcs are incorrect on what it cost him to party down, or whatever he did, please set me straight. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 30, 2023 11:48:15 GMT -6
Beginning to think when they said about alcohol and sponsors. Wonder if there was a meet and greet and CP got drunk and insulted someone. It had better be worthy of his contract termination. Perry is well respected around the league. He’s had a great career. If they sewer him for very little just to try and prove the Hawks mean business when it comes to any internal problem. They will have a very hard time keeping guys and attracting guys to Chicago. They could even lose Bedard over this. It had better be big!!! I agree that it better not have been some minor violation of expected behavior at such events like putting a couple of tacos in the punch bowl. It better have been something downright nasty and "disgusting" to use a KD term. |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 30, 2023 11:50:37 GMT -6
I believe KD stated that the team's decision was conveyed to and cleared by (though I may have misinterpreted the comment) the NHLPA as a straightforward code of conduct matter. I assume that CP could still pursue a grievance against the team - and if he does, is it fair to assume that that grievance and evidence/arguments about the contract termination would become public knowledge then? If so, and CP really feels like he got screwed in this instance (no pun intended), he could bring this forward. He could also just step forward now to address this with the media, but his agent is probably suggesting he lay low (again, no pun intended). For the team to provide more detail now would be to likely expose a staffer who is not otherwise seeking the media attention this whole thing is getting - at least he/she has not sought the attention by stepping forward yet (maybe on advise of his/her counsel). That staffer may hypothetically be traumatized and, therefore, does not need a circus atmosphere added to daily life right now. So if there is any basis to pursue civil action against the org as a consequence, I can see why the org would be careful in how much they disclose now. To disclose the nature of all this would likely impact that staffer's immediate privacy interest. Alternatively, if there is a potential claim by the staffer against CP, then this will most certainly come out in a court filing if that person wants to come forward. I am guessing that the organization is trying to be as cooperative here as it can where CP left them (the organization) a sh-t sandwich to deal with in the run-up to the Columbus game, about something that happened that many of us wish did not (grudgingly, I was warming up to Perry in the Indianhead), whatever it is. I can understand the limitation of disclosure likely being advised by organizational counsel so far - yesterday's press conference sounded like the standard "be forthcoming but do not go into significant detail" - hell, the staffer may be seeking counsel now so the team would be loathe to step out too far just yet. I have no doubt that this is being handled 180-degree differently than the prior regime and that is one positive. Time will tell on what we all can learn. No team could have forced KD to reveal the details while making a waiver inquiry. My guess is that it would have been Perry's call. Either authorize KD to spill the beans and roll the dice on how that might affect some other team's interest; or tell KD he can't do it and potentially squash some team's interest in claiming him off waivers. I guess that no matter the reason, no team took Perry off waivers. So, now the Hawks are free to cancel his contract under its code of conduct provisions. I further assume the Hawks will no longer owe him a dime. Is that correct? I assume that Perry will have to accept the termination decision unless he wants the details aired in a NHLPA proceeding or a civil suit. If no team claimed him off waivers maybe it was just the contract amount that was the problem rather than details of the conduct code violation. Thus, Perry's career might be over unless he tries to get back next year for less money. There might not be many suitors. Whatever he did, I hope it was worth about $3M to him. My calculation is based on having played about 1/4 of the season, so he was paid the $1M due and he will not be getting the other $3M due on his contract as a result of the termination. If my calcs are incorrect on what it cost him to party down, or whatever he did, please set me straight. I am pretty sure he was not claimed due to the fact the team claiming him would have to assume his full contract value. Now that he has cleared waivers, he can be signed for the league minimum or whatever both sides agree to. As far as will he still get paid or how much has he been paid, I would only be guessing so we leave it there. |
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Post by shooter61 on Nov 30, 2023 11:54:17 GMT -6
NHLPA has 60 days to appeal. what I see is ,,,,NHLPA has 60 days to appeal |
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 30, 2023 12:17:41 GMT -6
No team could have forced KD to reveal the details while making a waiver inquiry. My guess is that it would have been Perry's call. Either authorize KD to spill the beans and roll the dice on how that might affect some other team's interest; or tell KD he can't do it and potentially squash some team's interest in claiming him off waivers. I guess that no matter the reason, no team took Perry off waivers. So, now the Hawks are free to cancel his contract under its code of conduct provisions. I further assume the Hawks will no longer owe him a dime. Is that correct? I assume that Perry will have to accept the termination decision unless he wants the details aired in a NHLPA proceeding or a civil suit. If no team claimed him off waivers maybe it was just the contract amount that was the problem rather than details of the conduct code violation. Thus, Perry's career might be over unless he tries to get back next year for less money. There might not be many suitors. Whatever he did, I hope it was worth about $3M to him. My calculation is based on having played about 1/4 of the season, so he was paid the $1M due and he will not be getting the other $3M due on his contract as a result of the termination. If my calcs are incorrect on what it cost him to party down, or whatever he did, please set me straight. I am pretty sure he was not claimed due to the fact the team claiming him would have to assume his full contract value. Now that he has cleared waivers, he can be signed for the league minimum or whatever both sides agree to. As far as will he still get paid or how much has he been paid, I would only be guessing so we leave it there. Thanks, I knew someone out there, like you, would know the options once he cleared waivers. So, I guess the Hawks won't have to pay him another dime, unless he extracts it by some litigation over his contract termination, but he is now free to play for the minimum or whatever amount is agreeable to him and his new team. Right? Negotiating a new contract would lessen the $3M he has already paid to party down. Please educate me again, if necessary. Thanks. |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 30, 2023 12:24:15 GMT -6
just like I don't understand the hate for Chelios. He was proud to be a Hawk, just like Kane. The Hawks didn't want him anymore, just like Kane. The Hawks chose to trade Chelios to one or our biggest rivals. Kane CHOSE to sign as a free agent with that same team. But Kane also dicked around in my opinion and forced the Hawks to trade him to 1 team, drastically lowering the value for a future HOF. That's why I'm pissed off at him. My right to that opinion. Trading Chelios after he signed a team friendly deal and set-up family and business roots in Chicago was ridiculous,we can agree on that, but his actions afterward turned a lot of Hawk fans off after winning a cup in Detroit........and none here I'll point-out. Kane didn't ask to be traded last spring after winning three cups in Chicago and he was un-invited back,why should he not sign with any team at that point? I've pointed-out Phily getting a 1st and Tippett for same aged Giroux who had only Florida on his full NTC list the year before but to be fair to our young GM,Giroux was healthy. Patrick Kane was in the midst of the worst season of his career and playing in pain.....this was well known around the league. A selfish player woulda shut it down early and had the procedure then in preparation for the upcoming UFA season. nothing is going to change my mind on this,just like nothing I say is going to change anyone else's. But I'm still going to post my feelings on the subject. If the only way to post on here was everyone had to be in agreement on everything this board would suck. It's the differing opinions that keep us all coming back. I'm no longer a Patrick Kane fan |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 30, 2023 13:08:56 GMT -6
I am pretty sure he was not claimed due to the fact the team claiming him would have to assume his full contract value. Now that he has cleared waivers, he can be signed for the league minimum or whatever both sides agree to. As far as will he still get paid or how much has he been paid, I would only be guessing so we leave it there. Thanks, I knew someone out there, like you, would know the options once he cleared waivers. So, I guess the Hawks won't have to pay him another dime, unless he extracts it by some litigation over his contract termination, but he is now free to play for the minimum or whatever amount is agreeable to him and his new team. Right? Negotiating a new contract would lessen the $3M he has already paid to party down. Please educate me again, if necessary. Thanks. The only fact I believe I can confirm is that once he has cleared waivers (which he has), he can sign with another team for whatever amount they agree on (league minimum or negotiated amount). As far as will he still get paid or what he has been paid that is still somewhat not clear to me right now. My best guess if he was terminated for cause then he will no longer earn his full salary unless NHL PA files grievance and he wins. |
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 30, 2023 13:44:27 GMT -6
Thanks, I knew someone out there, like you, would know the options once he cleared waivers. So, I guess the Hawks won't have to pay him another dime, unless he extracts it by some litigation over his contract termination, but he is now free to play for the minimum or whatever amount is agreeable to him and his new team. Right? Negotiating a new contract would lessen the $3M he has already paid to party down. Please educate me again, if necessary. Thanks. The only fact I believe I can confirm is that once he has cleared waivers (which he has), he can sign with another team for whatever amount they agree on (league minimum or negotiated amount). As far as will he still get paid or what he has been paid that is still somewhat not clear to me right now. My best guess if he was terminated for cause then he will no longer earn his full salary unless NHL PA files grievance and he wins. Does the “need to be signed before 12/1” still apply? |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 30, 2023 14:08:17 GMT -6
well, I guess now we have the answer to:
"why did the Blackhawks bring in frickin Corey Perry and why would he want to come to Chicago?"
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Post by 2old4this on Nov 30, 2023 14:24:45 GMT -6
well, I guess now we have the answer to: "why did the Blackhawks bring in frickin Corey Perry and why would he want to come to Chicago?" For the privledge of playing with Conor Bedard. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 30, 2023 14:25:46 GMT -6
You would have to assume that if there was a legal way to fight whatever "reason" the was for the contract termination as not worthy of it, Perry's lawyer would be all over it like Kessel on a hot dog. Given the 'hawks recent media presence for the negative, the last thing they would need is a lawsuit over breaking a contract without clause. Thus, whatever the reason, I think it would stand that Perry did indeed do something that violated his contract. How much longer can Perry's side stay quiet? |
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Post by steamer on Nov 30, 2023 14:57:37 GMT -6
Wow! Nice to see someone take responsibility for their behavior instead of blaming others. Rare these days but maybe it’s always been that way . . .
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Post by vadarx on Nov 30, 2023 15:00:21 GMT -6
How much longer can Perry's side stay quiet? good lad, Corey. good lad. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 30, 2023 15:22:56 GMT -6
The 2nd reply on that tweet was from Bedard.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Nov 30, 2023 15:24:14 GMT -6
Wow! Nice to see someone take responsibility for their behavior instead of blaming others. Rare these days but maybe it’s always been that way . . . He ran out of options nothing more than that. |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 30, 2023 15:34:02 GMT -6
The 2nd reply on that tweet was from Bedard. I don't speak twitter, so I'll ASSume that means he approves this apology. |
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