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Post by hsbob on Dec 1, 2023 12:59:18 GMT -6
Reading your account I am a little unclear what transgressions, if any, did occur. What conduct by Perry has been deemed unacceptable? Well, I’m not sure if you read through this thread. But it appears that Perry has been having an affair with Caley Chelios for a few years. Now I’m not sure the org investigated that. They investigated the blow up at the team party in Nashville. The team said that his behaviour and conduct was unacceptable. I wasn’t there. But I’ve heard that he was yelling at her and arguing with her because she’s pregnant, and I’m guessing they think it’s his. So I believe the org is steering clear of their “transgressions”. And they focused on the acts in Nashville. I’m sure Cheli had a lot of say in this to protect his daughter. So they got rid of Perry. And they’ll let Caley go on maternity leave where she probably won’t come back!!! You seem to have a lot of confidence in your source on this T,I'm yet to see or hear of it anywhere else. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 1, 2023 13:51:51 GMT -6
Perry has apologized. The Blackhawks have terminated his contract (which is quite the punishment). At this stage, really, there is no need for any of us to care what actually happened. If Perry, through the player's association, presses for a wrongful dismissal, then of course the situation bears further scrutiny. But likely he won't. He's embarrassed, admits he has a problem, and recognizes he caused harm. Our attitudes about aggressive, drunken behaviour (sexual, physical or verbal) have hardened over the years. What was once tolerated is now condemned (perhaps as it should be). Being hammered is no longer an acceptable excuse. The police to this point have not become involved which is all we really need to know. I admit my want to know is out of curiosity and I don't disagree with what you say,my life won't change either way. I'd think teams with interest will demand to know details if Perry decides to return to the league though. I'm also surprised a team with the Hawk's recent past isn't more forthcoming unless legalities are involved. The Org can say what it's not,call the conduct unacceptable and disturbing and the player can apologize,say he's embarrassed for inappropriate and wrong behavior and he's seeking help for alcohol struggles, and it's left at that? In the last few day I've read how little some care about what happened and how it shouldn't effect the on-ice product or day-day activities of the team...........isn't Joel Quenneville away from the game for the 3rd year in a row for similar sentiments? I think there has to be something that would potentially involve civil or criminal issues. I think that's why mums the word. Neither he nor any other involved parties would want anything that could be used against them. Reading your account I am a little unclear what transgressions, if any, did occur. What conduct by Perry has been deemed unacceptable? Well, I’m not sure if you read through this thread. But it appears that Perry has been having an affair with Caley Chelios for a few years. Now I’m not sure the org investigated that. They investigated the blow up at the team party in Nashville. The team said that his behaviour and conduct was unacceptable. I wasn’t there. But I’ve heard that he was yelling at her and arguing with her because she’s pregnant, and I’m guessing they think it’s his. So I believe the org is steering clear of their “transgressions”. And they focused on the acts in Nashville. I’m sure Cheli had a lot of say in this to protect his daughter. So they got rid of Perry. And they’ll let Caley go on maternity leave where she probably won’t come back!!! I'm hazy on this. Even if he knocked her up, how would that be worthy a contract termination? I mean, how is that any different than "Sloppy seconds?" Avery was waived, but his contract was not terminated. There has to be something that happened that was more--as in something that violated a contract clause, something that would put the team at risk of a lawsuit, or something criminal. It could be in the fallout of the alleged affair, but not the affair itself. A quick check of the US shows that unless they doinked each other in Michigan, Oklahoma, or Wisconsin (where adultery is a felony still for some reason), at worst it's a misdemeanor in some states (never criminalized in Tennessee), and I'm not sure if a misdemeanor would be worth a contract termination. If that was the case I think over half of the league and it's coaches would be at risk for a contract termination. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Dec 1, 2023 16:58:11 GMT -6
That's my question as well. I am not sure what everyone's marital status is, and, perhaps, marital infidelity is a contract clause. Is this the case here? Just doesn't seem like arguing with one's paramour is sufficient ground to terminate the player's contract.
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Post by BigT on Dec 1, 2023 18:37:01 GMT -6
That's my question as well. I am not sure what everyone's marital status is, and, perhaps, marital infidelity is a contract clause. Is this the case here? Just doesn't seem like arguing with one's paramour is sufficient ground to terminate the player's contract. That’s just the back story. The team clearly stated it was in Nashville at the team party where they deemed his actions unacceptable!!! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Dec 1, 2023 22:35:48 GMT -6
Ok decided I want in so I have channeled my inner 7th grade girl with the help of listing to some Lourde(this is a lie walked the dog had a cigar and listen to the Mathew Sweet concert on xrt). So let me get this straight a fight between 2 adulteress got a little out of hand. One very rich guy who can have any woman was throwing down on CC. Papa C got involved and teased me with if you dont do something you can cancel my night. Perrys agent send out report that Corey has family issues later Peryy uses the mental health and drunk card but does not go into the NHL program because he is working with real professionals. Now for the better part KD is taking advice from CC on player personal moves. This might be the more scarry one. Gosh I cant wait til the Hawks are good again and this stuff is not tops on are list. Edit: Darling was on a podcast he stated he would advise players not to go through the NHL progam www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/retired-goalie-scott-darling-blasts-nhlnhlpa-player-assistance-program-theyre-monsters/ar-AA1kGW6M |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 2, 2023 0:09:11 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Dec 2, 2023 6:37:42 GMT -6
Thanks for posting the article Jack. Based on this it appears we have an answer as to what Perry has earned so far from his $4M salary, approx. $1M for quarter season of play and another $2M earned already as part of a signing bonus, so add it up and he has $3M out of the $4M . |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 2, 2023 10:29:39 GMT -6
just like I don't understand the hate for Chelios. He was proud to be a Hawk, just like Kane. The Hawks didn't want him anymore, just like Kane. The Hawks chose to trade Chelios to one or our biggest rivals. Kane CHOSE to sign as a free agent with that same team. But Kane also dicked around in my opinion and forced the Hawks to trade him to 1 team, drastically lowering the value for a future HOF. That's why I'm pissed off at him. My right to that opinion. Trading Chelios after he signed a team friendly deal and set-up family and business roots in Chicago was ridiculous,we can agree on that, but his actions afterward turned a lot of Hawk fans off after winning a cup in Detroit........and none here I'll point-out. Kane didn't ask to be traded last spring after winning three cups in Chicago and he was un-invited back,why should he not sign with any team at that point? I've pointed-out Phily getting a 1st and Tippett for same aged Giroux who had only Florida on his full NTC list the year before but to be fair to our young GM,Giroux was healthy. Patrick Kane was in the midst of the worst season of his career and playing in pain.....this was well known around the league. A selfish player woulda shut it down early and had the procedure then in preparation for the upcoming UFA season. What were those actions that turned Hawk fans off? |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 2, 2023 10:39:41 GMT -6
Ok decided I want in so I have channeled my inner 7th grade girl with the help of listing to some Lourde(this is a lie walked the dog had a cigar and listen to the Mathew Sweet concert on xrt). So let me get this straight a fight between 2 adulteress got a little out of hand. One very rich guy who can have any woman was throwing down on CC. Papa C got involved and teased me with if you dont do something you can cancel my night. Perrys agent send out report that Corey has family issues later Peryy uses the mental health and drunk card but does not go into the NHL program because he is working with real professionals. Now for the better part KD is taking advice from CC on player personal moves. This might be the more scarry one. Gosh I cant wait til the Hawks are good again and this stuff is not tops on are list. Edit: Darling was on a podcast he stated he would advise players not to go through the NHL progam www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/retired-goalie-scott-darling-blasts-nhlnhlpa-player-assistance-program-theyre-monsters/ar-AA1kGW6MThis all sounds like great material for the new reality TV series: The Real Lives of Blackhawk Personnel I didn't watch the Housewives of Wherever bs and I wouldn't watch this either. It is just as much bs as the original reality show crap. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 2, 2023 10:42:30 GMT -6
Thanks for posting the article Jack. Based on this it appears we have an answer as to what Perry has earned so far from his $4M salary, approx. $1M for quarter season of play and another $2M earned already as part of a signing bonus, so add it up and he has $3M out of the $4M . Right, so he got $3 M for playing 20 games, or so. I can't believe he would challenge the contract termination for a mere $1M when he is so rich that he doesn't a dime of it. Furthermore, he might be ready to retire anyway. If he's not, he can sign another contract next year or get back in this year for a $1 M contract, if he so desperately needs/wants the money without having to challenge the termination to get the $1M from the Hawks. Go get it from some other team and play as though nothing happened. Everyone is entitled to a shot at redemption, right? |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 2, 2023 10:43:46 GMT -6
Trading Chelios after he signed a team friendly deal and set-up family and business roots in Chicago was ridiculous,we can agree on that, but his actions afterward turned a lot of Hawk fans off after winning a cup in Detroit........and none here I'll point-out. Kane didn't ask to be traded last spring after winning three cups in Chicago and he was un-invited back,why should he not sign with any team at that point? I've pointed-out Phily getting a 1st and Tippett for same aged Giroux who had only Florida on his full NTC list the year before but to be fair to our young GM,Giroux was healthy. Patrick Kane was in the midst of the worst season of his career and playing in pain.....this was well known around the league. A selfish player woulda shut it down early and had the procedure then in preparation for the upcoming UFA season. What were those actions that turned Hawk fans off? To be honest jack,I don't rightly remember. I was never the guy's biggest critic because he signed a friendly deal to stay,put down roots,earned every penny of that deal for a few years and then found himself traded to his team's biggest rival by far. I guess there was some 'rubbing it in' after winning a cup in Detroit that a lot of Hawk fan's found shitty. C'mon man.......you were there. Some other stuff too.....a DUI maybe. |
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Post by Nikos on Dec 2, 2023 12:26:49 GMT -6
Thanks for posting the article Jack. Based on this it appears we have an answer as to what Perry has earned so far from his $4M salary, approx. $1M for quarter season of play and another $2M earned already as part of a signing bonus, so add it up and he has $3M out of the $4M . Right, so he got $3 M for playing 20 games, or so. I can't believe he would challenge the contract termination for a mere $1M when he is so rich that he doesn't a dime of it. Furthermore, he might be ready to retire anyway. If he's not, he can sign another contract next year or get back in this year for a $1 M contract, if he so desperately needs/wants the money without having to challenge the termination to get the $1M from the Hawks. Go get it from some other team and play as though nothing happened. Everyone is entitled to a shot at redemption, right? From the article, could be Perry might have to owe the $2M signing bonus.: Perry is entitled to keep approximately $1 million of his $4 million salary after spending roughly 25 percent of the season on the Blackhawks roster prior to having his contract terminated, which means he technically owes money back to the organization because he received a $2 million signing bonus over the summer. |
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Post by Tater on Dec 2, 2023 12:45:56 GMT -6
What were those actions that turned Hawk fans off? To be honest jack,I don't rightly remember. I was never the guy's biggest critic because he signed a friendly deal to stay,put down roots,earned every penny of that deal for a few years and then found himself traded to his team's biggest rival by far. I guess there was some 'rubbing it in' after winning a cup in Detroit that a lot of Hawk fan's found shitty. C'mon man.......you were there. Some other stuff too.....a DUI maybe. He wore a wangs jersey for a Hawks team pic too. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Dec 2, 2023 17:01:26 GMT -6
To be honest jack,I don't rightly remember. I was never the guy's biggest critic because he signed a friendly deal to stay,put down roots,earned every penny of that deal for a few years and then found himself traded to his team's biggest rival by far. I guess there was some 'rubbing it in' after winning a cup in Detroit that a lot of Hawk fan's found shitty. C'mon man.......you were there. Some other stuff too.....a DUI maybe. He wore a wangs jersey for a Hawks team pic too. yeah 75th anniversary team they had a jersey for him but he refused to wear it I have a lot more but lets just say I am not a fan. Captain of the most embarrassing team in USA Olympic history! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 2, 2023 17:49:32 GMT -6
To be honest jack,I don't rightly remember. I was never the guy's biggest critic because he signed a friendly deal to stay,put down roots,earned every penny of that deal for a few years and then found himself traded to his team's biggest rival by far. I guess there was some 'rubbing it in' after winning a cup in Detroit that a lot of Hawk fan's found shitty. C'mon man.......you were there. Some other stuff too.....a DUI maybe. He wore a wangs jersey for a Hawks team pic too. That's pretty cold. But, since they hired his daughter, I guess all is forgiven. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 2, 2023 17:51:08 GMT -6
Right, so he got $3 M for playing 20 games, or so. I can't believe he would challenge the contract termination for a mere $1M when he is so rich that he doesn't a dime of it. Furthermore, he might be ready to retire anyway. If he's not, he can sign another contract next year or get back in this year for a $1 M contract, if he so desperately needs/wants the money without having to challenge the termination to get the $1M from the Hawks. Go get it from some other team and play as though nothing happened. Everyone is entitled to a shot at redemption, right? From the article, could be Perry might have to owe the $2M signing bonus.: Perry is entitled to keep approximately $1 million of his $4 million salary after spending roughly 25 percent of the season on the Blackhawks roster prior to having his contract terminated, which means he technically owes money back to the organization because he received a $2 million signing bonus over the summer.Will the org sue him to get the money back; can it take care of that issue in some league proceeding without going to civil court? Perhaps, they will work it out with Perry to a mutually agreeable settlement. The Hawks might have some leverage if Perry does not want publicity about what he did. |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 2, 2023 18:06:03 GMT -6
From the article, could be Perry might have to owe the $2M signing bonus.: Perry is entitled to keep approximately $1 million of his $4 million salary after spending roughly 25 percent of the season on the Blackhawks roster prior to having his contract terminated, which means he technically owes money back to the organization because he received a $2 million signing bonus over the summer.Will the org sue him to get the money back; can it take care of that issue in some league proceeding without going to civil court? Perhaps, they will work it out with Perry to a mutually agreeable settlement. The Hawks might have some leverage if Perry does not want publicity about what he did. I'm gonna guess the 'hawks are fine with him taking the money and getting the hell outta Dodge with his lips sealed tight. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 2, 2023 18:50:21 GMT -6
Will the org sue him to get the money back; can it take care of that issue in some league proceeding without going to civil court? Perhaps, they will work it out with Perry to a mutually agreeable settlement. The Hawks might have some leverage if Perry does not want publicity about what he did. I'm gonna guess the 'hawks are fine with him taking the money and getting the hell outta Dodge with his lips sealed tight. I agree with you. My guess is that both sides would be happy letting this event just die off and never be heard from again. At least, that would seem to be the best way to let it unfold. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 3, 2023 22:48:14 GMT -6
He wore a wangs jersey for a Hawks team pic too. That's pretty cold. But, since they hired his daughter, I guess all is forgiven. I seem to recall that Rocky was all about getting as many past 'hawk "idols" (and I use that term in the loosest possible sense) back into the fold after the damage his father did. Hence the dying wish being to get Chelios' number retired, even though it should go up for Seabrook in my opinion. I also think that was the reason they hired Cayley on, since her commentary quality isn't that good. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 4, 2023 21:38:02 GMT -6
Will the org sue him to get the money back; can it take care of that issue in some league proceeding without going to civil court? Perhaps, they will work it out with Perry to a mutually agreeable settlement. The Hawks might have some leverage if Perry does not want publicity about what he did. I'm gonna guess the 'hawks are fine with him taking the money and getting the hell outta Dodge with his lips sealed tight. I’m pretty sure a signing bonus is just that. You get a bonus for signing. He signed and they gave him upfront money. It’s not our money, and I feel nothing more will come of this!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 4, 2023 23:44:53 GMT -6
I heard that rumor yesterday, so it's already making it's rounds on social media. This one ain’t a rumour. That’s why I posted it. She’s pregnant. They had a blow up in Nashville. Papa Cheli got involved and Perry is gone. Now, does she save her job too? She did the same thing he did!!! listening to friedman's podcast from 3 days ago, he seems to believe that the incident occurred in columbus on a tuesday, a day before the game against the jackets on wednesday. which makes sense because if it happened in nashville, he still played the next game at home against buffalo. i wonder if we'll ever know exactly wtf happened. i think it eventually comes out but who knows when. they start discussing the whole perry incident at 30 seconds in, he talks about the incident happening in columbus at about 4:40 in. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/32-thoughts-the-podcast/id1332150124 |
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Post by BigT on Dec 5, 2023 6:08:13 GMT -6
This one ain’t a rumour. That’s why I posted it. She’s pregnant. They had a blow up in Nashville. Papa Cheli got involved and Perry is gone. Now, does she save her job too? She did the same thing he did!!! listening to friedman's podcast from 3 days ago, he seems to believe that the incident occurred in columbus on a tuesday, a day before the game against the jackets on wednesday. which makes sense because if it happened in nashville, he still played the next game at home against buffalo. i wonder if we'll ever know exactly wtf happened. i think it eventually comes out but who knows when. they start discussing the whole perry incident at 30 seconds in, he talks about the incident happening in columbus at about 4:40 in. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/32-thoughts-the-podcast/id1332150124KD said it was an incident in Nashville. There may be more to it. But he’s gone now. Hopefully the team does better. I feel his leadership role is missed. It wouldn’t hurt to pick up another vet leader. Looks like Kessel is probably done. I’m sure there’s someone else that can be picked up!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 5, 2023 6:46:35 GMT -6
listening to friedman's podcast from 3 days ago, he seems to believe that the incident occurred in columbus on a tuesday, a day before the game against the jackets on wednesday. which makes sense because if it happened in nashville, he still played the next game at home against buffalo. i wonder if we'll ever know exactly wtf happened. i think it eventually comes out but who knows when. they start discussing the whole perry incident at 30 seconds in, he talks about the incident happening in columbus at about 4:40 in. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/32-thoughts-the-podcast/id1332150124KD said it was an incident in Nashville. There may be more to it. But he’s gone now. Hopefully the team does better. I feel his leadership role is missed. It wouldn’t hurt to pick up another vet leader. Looks like Kessel is probably done. I’m sure there’s someone else that can be picked up!!! help me out here. i can't find anything where davidson says it happened in nashville. in fact i can't find anything where he says it happened in columbus either. closest i can find is this quote from an article... "A source told ESPN's Emily Kaplan that Perry indeed traveled with the team to Columbus last Tuesday, a day before the game, and an incident occurred that day involving a team employee. Davidson said Perry, who did not play in the team's 7-3 loss, was "immediately pulled" from the game once the Blackhawks were notified, and at that point, the club began an investigation."www.sportskeeda.com/ice-hockey/news-corey-perry-s-contract-termination-sparked-incident-team-employee-reportslikely doesn't matter where it happened as much as the details of the actual event, but ms. chelios was in columbus for the game. like i said, i sure hope it becomes public knowledge sooner than later. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 5, 2023 6:51:05 GMT -6
I believe it was during his awkward presser. It may have been a question asked. Then there were a couple things written about it happening in Nashville. Then another writer had said that he didn’t take the team bus to the arena from the hotel in Columbus. He walked. Now I can’t find either myself. Maybe gotta go back and listen to his presser again!!!
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Post by Nikos on Dec 6, 2023 9:18:23 GMT -6
Following the conclusion of the Board of Governors meeting on Tuesday, Bettman delved into Perry's situation and said:
"That's something that I'll have to determine if the case arises," said Bettman. "You're asking me to speculate at this point and I'm not prepared to do that." - The Athletic
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 9, 2023 4:08:16 GMT -6
Well...caley's carrying someone's kid.
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 9, 2023 8:00:22 GMT -6
Well...caley's carrying someone's kid. Well we're certain that the kid isn't Vosters. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 9, 2023 9:49:12 GMT -6
I found it weird that papa Cheli was on the broadcast the other night too. He left the TNT gig cuz he said something like he didn’t care for the tv gig. Which is fine. But it seemed like he wanted to be there for his daughter more than anything. Which is also fine. I just found the timing odd. But that’s just me!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 9, 2023 11:01:34 GMT -6
I found it weird that papa Cheli was on the broadcast the other night too. He left the TNT gig cuz he said something like he didn’t care for the tv gig. Which is fine. But it seemed like he wanted to be there for his daughter more than anything. Which is also fine. I just found the timing odd. But that’s just me!!! I thought the same thing, weird timing. |
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Post by shooter61 on Dec 9, 2023 19:55:30 GMT -6
Well...caley's carrying someone's kid. Isn't she married, ? 1st guess would be the hubby, but I' Canadian |
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